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| Nokius | oh its Friday \(^.^)/ | 05:35 |
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| Nokius | enjoy the day :) cu | 05:47 |
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| Nokius_away | oh just noticed it's Friday the 13 :-s stay safe guys | 07:23 |
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| Juice__ | Hi, is the Sailfish contacts app closed source? | 07:43 |
| Juice__ | Or can anyone point me to an example qml for implementin the contact card style view | 07:44 |
| Yaniel | the app itself is, the backend is not (afaik) | 07:44 |
| Juice__ | the one where is address and email and phone and user can click them and buttons come visible one at a time | 07:44 |
| SK_work | Juice__: it is closed source | 07:47 |
| VDVsx | if you have a device files should be there | 07:47 |
| Juice__ | VDVsx: I searched them and didn't find any | 07:47 |
| SK_work | however, just go to either /usr/share/jolla-contacts/ or /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Contacts | 07:47 |
| SK_work | and check | 07:47 |
| Juice__ | hmm.. okay I check again | 07:47 |
| Juice__ | oh yeah, thanks a lot | 07:48 |
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| Juice__ | What would be the place to wite some kind of example of implementing that kind of page? Nemo wiki? | 07:49 |
| tbr | please note that if you looked at the source, that you are possibly tainted and should not attempt an open source implementation | 07:50 |
| Juice__ | tainted? | 07:50 |
| Juice__ | I am just looking for inspiration | 07:51 |
| urjaman | essentially, you will most likely write the closed source again... | 07:51 |
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| tbr | IANAL, but if you look at proprietary source to implement something, then the new work is a derivative work of the proprietary one | 07:51 |
| tbr | which means that you can not publish it under an open source license | 07:52 |
| tbr | at least not without approval of the original rights holder | 07:53 |
| Juice__ | ianal either, but if I develop my own implementation of the idea, the copyright does not hold | 07:54 |
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| tbr | if you looked at the proprietary code and it "inspired you" then you made a derivative work | 07:54 |
| Juice__ | if I copy the code (like word-to-word) then that might be the case | 07:54 |
| pp | obviously depends on what you are looking at and how litigious the owner is + where you live | 07:54 |
| tbr | I'm saying this because such things can easily destroy a whole open source project | 07:55 |
| Juice__ | pp: well that's the another point | 07:55 |
| Juice__ | other | 07:55 |
| tbr | it only takes one litigous party to go after some bit that was not done in a legal clean fashion | 07:55 |
| Juice__ | I don't think Jolla is very litigious (DIT and "Take examples" and "Don't reinvent the wheel") | 07:55 |
| tbr | all this is general statement with no specific company in mind | 07:56 |
| Juice__ | yeah, it is interesting academic discussion | 07:56 |
| tbr | Juice__: if you are so sure, ask them for a legal waiver, that would make the Nemomobile project and you safe | 07:56 |
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| tbr | sadly the implications are far from academic | 07:57 |
| ln- | an even easier way to get one's open source project into legal trouble is to use someone else's trademark in its name. | 07:57 |
| Juice__ | might do, altough that uses their legal resources | 07:57 |
| Juice__ | ln-: yeah that's more valid concern | 07:58 |
| Juice__ | but it is usually easy to fix | 07:58 |
| tbr | it's not more nor less valid, it's another legal concern | 07:58 |
| tbr | if you taint an open source project it can be impossible to fix in a legal way, also lawyer fees can ruin you | 07:59 |
| Juice__ | actually it doesn't matter if it is open source or closed source | 07:59 |
| tbr | if you want legal guidance on this, ask an IPR lawyer or the FSF or the free software conservancy | 08:00 |
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| tbr | if you are speaking of the derivative work, yes that's correct. There are many companies that went under for that reason. | 08:00 |
| Juice__ | I have taken couple of crash courses on IPR legislation during my university years | 08:00 |
| tbr | then, you should have known better | 08:01 |
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| tbr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_room_design | 08:04 |
| Juice__ | as I see it, taking an inspiration (not copy-paste) from a larger software projects one widget does not count as copyright infringment. Okay I don't have any legal cases (especially in EU) to back me up, but on the other hand haven't heard other way either. Rule-of-thumb: you can't copyright idea. | 08:04 |
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| pp | having someone document it and someone else coding is safezt | 08:05 |
| Juice__ | good wikipedia article there, | 08:06 |
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| Juice__ | have to get back to work, thanks for the discussion | 08:07 |
| Juice__ | and the tips where to find inspiration | 08:07 |
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| Venemo | hey | 10:31 |
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| Venemo | https://sailfishos.org/about/ <--- page is missing a mention of Nemo Mobile | 10:31 |
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| betchou | Hi everyone!! | 10:33 |
| betchou | I just got hired for a job to work on QML. :P | 10:33 |
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| betchou | I'm looking for nice way to develop a full QtQuick / C++ application. | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | congratulations! | 10:34 |
| betchou | I am interested to find a nice organization of code with C++ class, screens, components,... :) | 10:35 |
| betchou | Stskeeps, thanks! :) | 10:35 |
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| Venemo | betchou >> ping faenil, he is an expert | 10:36 |
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| m4g0g | hi | 12:17 |
| m4g0g | I want to send 2 QObject* to qml from c++ via signal and don't think about deleting them. How I can do this? | 12:18 |
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| nib | m4g0g: over JSValue and ownership | 12:29 |
| m4g0g | As I understand - ownership doesn't work for objects were sent by signal and I want to remove project on page removing | 12:30 |
| coderus | m4g0g: what the purpose of sending objects pointers? | 12:38 |
| nib | m4g0g: QJSEngine::newQObject | 12:40 |
| * nib just guessing | 12:40 | |
| nib | m4g0g: your nick reminds me buddy from leechcraft:) | 12:42 |
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| m4g0g | nib: I am one of the authors =) | 13:02 |
| m4g0g | coderus: I create 2 objects and need to send them to page to view entry and comment | 13:03 |
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| nib | m4g0g: :) | 13:07 |
| m4g0g | may be I can send objects to page and on PageStatus.Deactivating do object.destroy ()? | 13:07 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | m4g0g: why don't you publish them over property ? | 13:08 |
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| coderus | Sfiet_Konstantin: i really don't understand what he is doing | 13:09 |
| coderus | m4g0g: use contextProperty or even qmlRegisterType | 13:09 |
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| m4g0g | coderus: how I can manage object lifetime via contextProperty? | 13:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | m4g0g: what's your usecase | 13:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | are these objects global objects ? | 13:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | can't they be created QML side ? | 13:31 |
| m4g0g | no | 13:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | etc | 13:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | tell us what you do want | 13:31 |
| m4g0g | they should live only while page is live. | 13:31 |
| coderus | Patch: add Sneak Peak to Display settings https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-add-sneak-peak-display-settings | 13:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | coderus: <3 | 13:32 |
| m4g0g | when page closing objects should be deleted | 13:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Awesome | 13:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Wanted to do this too | 13:32 |
| coderus | m4g0g: use qmlRegisterType<MyObject>(...) | 13:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | m4g0g: export a QObject derived class | 13:32 |
| coderus | and create MyObject {} in page | 13:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what coderus said | 13:32 |
| coderus | it will be destroyed automatically | 13:32 |
| m4g0g | I send objects as QObject* with properties | 13:32 |
| coderus | m4g0g: why the hell? | 13:32 |
| m4g0g | ok | 13:32 |
| m4g0g | what? | 13:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | m4g0g: create your C++ based component in the page | 13:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | use them in the page | 13:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and leave QML do cleanups | 13:33 |
| coderus | m4g0g: of course you can do a frankenstein | 13:34 |
| coderus | but why? | 13:34 |
| coderus | there are much better, much suitable and much easier ways to do this | 13:34 |
| m4g0g | Do You think this is a good idea to create QML objects in page? C++ objects will be created after page become active | 13:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | m4g0g: what do you mean ? | 13:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the page is the parent of everybody, it shold manage creation and destruction | 13:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so that creating QML components, either QML or C++ based, is the way to go | 13:35 |
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| m4g0g | I open page, call page::load method which requests entry and comment from server and when I receive answer from server I create 2 objects and should send this objects to page | 13:36 |
| coderus | m4g0g: subclass from QQmlParserStatus | 13:37 |
| coderus | and you can control loading of t hings insidde your c++ object before and after component maked as complete | 13:37 |
| m4g0g | wow! It's greate idea. Thx | 13:38 |
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| wickwire | hi guys, I've been testing qt3D recently on x64 - does anyone know if SailfishOS/Jolla supports it already? I did find the packages with zypper on the phone, and the MerVM also has them, but not installed | 14:13 |
| wickwire | [W] unknown:21 - file:///usr/share/harbour-cube/qml/harbour-cube.qml:21:1: module "Qt3D" version 1.0 is not installed | 14:14 |
| wickwire | import Qt3D 1.0 | 14:14 |
| wickwire | [root@Jolla lib]# ls -l libQt5* | 14:15 |
| wickwire | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Dec 22 13:41 libQt53D.so.5 -> libQt53D.so.5.3.0 | 14:15 |
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| coderus | wickwire: Qt3D 2.0 | 14:23 |
| wickwire | coderus: thanks you're right, the example I was using was from QtQuick 1 as well, too old | 14:25 |
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| anandrkris | Default Jolla pics in gallery - are they taken with Jolla camera? (bit embarrassed to ask) | 14:44 |
| Nicd- | probably not | 14:45 |
| Nicd- | the quality is too high I recall | 14:46 |
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| anandrkris | Nicd-: :D okies | 14:46 |
| coderus | anandrkris: i think it's 3D renders. No real peoples :D | 14:47 |
| JoshStrobl | coderus, no they just went into the future, grabbed the Jolla Two, went back in time and took a picture with that instead. | 14:48 |
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| Nokius | hope you had a good day so fare ... missed to join zzste at Startup summit in Berlin busy office-days this week | 17:33 |
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| Nokius | coderus: just test my "idea" from last night but its not working as I wonted (https://gist.github.com/Nokius/8c0b5cd266d46c4f115b#file-gistfile1-txt-L46) I wanted to check the size of the array but this is may not the way :-/ | 18:07 |
| Nokius | the source json https://gist.github.com/Nokius/ca6d9cba70ca94deb309#file-gistfile1-txt-L12 | 18:08 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | bleargh | 18:52 |
| tortoisedoc_ | :P | 18:52 |
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| coderus | tortoisedoc_: ? | 19:06 |
| tortoisedoc_ | coderus : fighting with cocos2d-qt | 19:07 |
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| coderus | Nokius: breakingnews.length > 0 | 19:07 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc_: did you saw my app? :D | 19:08 |
| * Nokius rolling eyes | 19:08 | |
| Nokius | coderus: yes it is really easy | 19:09 |
| tortoisedoc_ | your shoot-my-screen button? yeah :) | 19:09 |
| tortoisedoc_ | where's my creds :P | 19:09 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc_: it doesn't even have any about window with information about myself :D | 19:10 |
| coderus | i don't want to add any settings and make it more complex :D | 19:10 |
| tortoisedoc_ | coderus : :D | 19:10 |
| tortoisedoc_ | how about a mention in a "thanks" section on the home page ? | 19:11 |
| tortoisedoc_ | coderus : do you plan to put it into harbour? | 19:11 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | what was the status of qmultimedia | 19:12 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc_: what home page? | 19:15 |
| coderus | yep, i pushed it to harbour, will see :D | 19:16 |
| coderus | and no idea about multimedia | 19:16 |
| * Nokius facepalm | 19:16 | |
| tortoisedoc_ | coderus : it will pass | 19:16 |
| tortoisedoc_ | harbour i mean | 19:16 |
| tortoisedoc_ | openrepos app homepage / description text? | 19:16 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc_: ah, sure :D | 19:17 |
| coderus | btw >> | 19:17 |
| coderus | ScreenTapShot rejected | 19:17 |
| coderus | :D | 19:17 |
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| coderus | Import 'harbour.coderus.screentapshot 1.0' is not allowed | 19:18 |
| coderus | da wtf again | 19:18 |
| tadzik | hey, where can I find the silica reference? | 19:18 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc_: in qt creator help | 19:18 |
| tadzik | https://together.jolla.com/question/8878/outdated-sailfish-silica-online-reference-documentation/?answer=25618#post-id-25618 lies | 19:18 |
| coderus | tadzik: ^ | 19:18 |
| tadzik | oh, thanks | 19:18 |
| tortoisedoc_ | coderus : did you use rpm validator? | 19:20 |
| tortoisedoc_ | most likely directory of your plugin file is wrong | 19:20 |
| tortoisedoc_ | ah | 19:20 |
| tortoisedoc_ | and | 19:20 |
| tortoisedoc_ | files need to be harbour-screentapshot | 19:21 |
| tortoisedoc_ | named | 19:21 |
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| coderus | it should be harbour.screentapshot.screenshot | 19:24 |
| coderus | coderus in import name is not allowed :D | 19:24 |
| coderus | Harbour, Y U SO UNHAPPY? >..< | 19:26 |
| tortoisedoc_ | :D | 19:26 |
| tortoisedoc_ | wow | 19:28 |
| tortoisedoc_ | qmake has secret functions | 19:28 |
| tortoisedoc_ | would have never expected it :P | 19:28 |
| tortoisedoc_ | greaterTahn | 19:28 |
| tortoisedoc_ | *greaterThan | 19:28 |
| tortoisedoc_ | etc | 19:28 |
| tortoisedoc_ | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18663331/how-to-check-the-selected-version-of-qt-in-a-pro-file | 19:28 |
| tortoisedoc_ | thats like | 19:28 |
| tortoisedoc_ | wow | 19:28 |
| tortoisedoc_ | why is noone documenting thm | 19:28 |
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| tadzik | hmmm. My app has a 13M-big sqlite DB that it reads. I'm looking for some better way to find an absolute path to it than hardcoding "/usr/share/..." in there, any hints? | 19:57 |
| tadzik | I know about qrc, but from what I've heard it's for storing files inside the exec, so probably unadvised to stick a huge file in there | 19:58 |
| kimmoli | QStandardPaths::writableLocation(QStandardPaths::DataLocation) | 19:58 |
| kimmoli | ? | 19:58 |
| tadzik | sounds good; is it writable though? | 19:59 |
| kimmoli | /home/nemo/.local/share/appname/appname .. something | 20:00 |
| tadzik | oh, but there's nothing in there | 20:02 |
| kimmoli | no if you dont write there | 20:02 |
| tadzik | right; so I have my files in /usr/share after I deploy the app, I need to copy them to some writable location because otherwise qtsql cries | 20:02 |
| kimmoli | the /usr/share/your-app-name/ is SailfishApp::pathTo("filename") | 20:03 |
| kimmoli | iirc i have seen your problem solved somewhere, in mailing list propably | 20:03 |
| tadzik | for instance SailfishApp::pathTo("qml/Cover.qml") would give me absolute path to my Cover qml? | 20:03 |
| kimmoli | yes | 20:04 |
| tadzik | sounds good | 20:04 |
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| tadzik | okay, that almost works, except that writableLocation doesn't give me a writable location, or rather it points me to a directory that I seem to have to create myself | 20:07 |
| tadzik | which is as specified, apparently | 20:07 |
| tadzik | thank you kimmoli | 20:07 |
| kimmoli | https://github.com/kimmoli/valuelogger/blob/master/src/logger.cpp#L31 | 20:07 |
| kimmoli | yes | 20:07 |
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| tadzik | hrm, when I switch from SailfishApp::main() to the fancy way with QGuiApplication and stuff, now my UI is a white screen : | 20:25 |
| tadzik | https://gist.github.com/tadzik/3025dbe53af5e601167d here's code; any ideas? | 20:25 |
| tadzik | it's like the setSource didn't really work | 20:26 |
| tadzik | but the path it gets is a-okay | 20:26 |
| tadzik | what am I missing? | 20:26 |
| tadzik | kimmoli: ^ if you have a moment :) | 20:28 |
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| kimmoli | QScopedPointer<QGuiApplication> app(SailfishApp::application(argc, argv)); missing? | 20:32 |
| kimmoli | no | 20:32 |
| kimmoli | it was at #57 | 20:32 |
| tadzik | there's also https://gist.githubusercontent.com/tadzik/81d75fa9079b7bc82eed/raw/0fd380e089feefae1a4909b91f42c282a2c231c6/gistfile1.txt | 20:32 |
| kimmoli | i susally qmlRegisterType<> before QScopedPointer<QGuiApplication> app... | 20:34 |
| tadzik | let's try that | 20:34 |
| tadzik | same result :/ | 20:35 |
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| tadzik | no idea how to debug it too | 20:36 |
| tadzik | setSource doesn't even return a result | 20:36 |
| tadzik | oh, but there's errors() | 20:36 |
| tadzik | which is an empty list in my case | 20:37 |
| kimmoli | FirstPage is page with ApplicationWindow ? | 20:38 |
| tadzik | yeah, I just noticed that | 20:38 |
| tadzik | looking at your valuelogger.qml, no, it's not | 20:38 |
| tadzik | yay, now it works :) | 20:39 |
| tadzik | thanks a lot kimmoli | 20:39 |
| kimmoli | np | 20:39 |
| kimmoli | i can now go back to sleep? | 20:40 |
| tadzik | oh, apologies if I woke you up. By all means, sleep well :) | 20:41 |
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| kimmoli | no, no worries. i was just going | 20:44 |
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| kaari | kimmoli: you have tohknd preview, if so wanted to see. tomorrow at kameli | 21:35 |
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| Nokius | gn8 | 22:05 |
| klopsi-u3 | n8 | 22:06 |
| tadzik | gn8 | 22:08 |
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| klopsi-u3 | we are so international :) | 22:08 |
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