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| ryukafalz | coderus: Ooh, axolotl - working on textsecure stuff? | 01:37 |
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| Nokius | coderus: thanks for the hint will instantiate this | 05:37 |
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| Nokius | enjoy the Wednesday [workdays nearly done] | 05:41 |
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| coderus | Added whitelist ip for SSH Access confirmation v0.3.0: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/ssh-access-confirmation | 08:27 |
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| cvp_ | coderus, is there a problem with Meecast Widget/Lockscreenmusi controll and the LPM Glance Screen ? I installed both widgets and activat the LPM , but the LPM sill not work... but it haves works befoe i installed the widgets | 08:39 |
| Nicd- | I wonder if the Meecast dev(s) are here | 08:40 |
| Nicd- | wonder if it's intentional that it refreshes the cover page each time the home view is displayed | 08:41 |
| cvp_ | i thinking the meecast self is from coderus (over patchmanager) | 08:41 |
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| cvp_ | meecast widget selt | 08:41 |
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| coderus | cvp_: no problems | 09:04 |
| coderus | all working great | 09:04 |
| coderus | cvp_: you probably just don't know how lpm works in jolla? | 09:04 |
| cvp_ | ok still work... dont know why but it was dissabled ... i am little bit confuse | 09:11 |
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| coderus | anybody remember how tortoisedoc sent touch events to bottom applications in quickbar? | 09:49 |
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| vakkov | Developer Taixzo needs a Jolla phone to port his Google now-like client Saera to Sailfish. Help him at - https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/supporting-the-development-of-saera-on-sailfishos | 12:42 |
| leszek | vakkov: yeah great project great idea. I already donated 10$ | 12:45 |
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| flux | I wonder how happy Taixzo will be with jolla 4G at the US :-o | 12:54 |
| sledges | flux: still perfect for dev purposes, is what he's aiming for:)and extra $250 to get it to the US somehow | 12:56 |
| flux | $250 for getting TOHBD ;-) | 12:56 |
| leszek | hehe :P | 12:57 |
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| coderus | just $210 extra for development. Not very big amount. | 13:18 |
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| entil | coderus: congrats and thanks on libaxolotl! | 16:34 |
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| coderus | entil: it's not working yet | 16:51 |
| coderus | entil: it jsut finaly compiled, need to add tests | 16:52 |
| entil | coderus: still, good progress | 16:55 |
| coderus | yeah it's nice when i can spend more time for development :) | 17:00 |
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| entil | I'm half tempted to dig up my cli-qt5-textsecure client and integrate your libaxolotl there, but I don't have anything recent enough available - the only copy is on my laptop | 17:03 |
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| coderus | you need to wait a few weeks still :) | 17:13 |
| entil | myeah, I still don't have enough time to do shit ;P | 17:13 |
| * coderus shocked | 17:14 | |
| entil | if you had a "textsecure for jolla" campaign on igg I'd put money into it the next time I have any, just so I wouldn't have to do anything :D | 17:14 |
| entil | I have a bitcoin-related project I need to put my spare coding time into | 17:14 |
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| coderus | i don't know if i'll do textsecure client myself | 17:22 |
| entil | my idea has been that if I get anything to work on the cli, maybe the logic could be adapted to the mitakuuluu2 ui | 17:23 |
| entil | because that ui is great | 17:23 |
| entil | but it's one of those projects where I'd care more about the world having it than me doing it, especially because it's harder for me than experienced qt5 devs | 17:24 |
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| coderus | entil: ui is ok, but internal storage is sucks :D | 17:54 |
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| Nokius | Hi guys | 18:33 |
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| Nokius | coderus: had a eye on your hint not really sure | 18:33 |
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| Nokius | mh wondering how I can hide a button if my Text filed is empty looks like I use the wrong words to search for | 18:43 |
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| coderus | Nokius: whar are you talking about? what button, wat field? | 19:15 |
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| Nokius | coderus: this button (https://github.com/Nokius/harbour-tagesschau/blob/GUI/qml/pages/ImpressumPage.qml#L156) only visibile if the Text is there from the json (if not network the button is there but no text [ I know I have to add a info that user needs network as well]) | 19:17 |
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| coderus | visible: something.text.length > 0 | 19:29 |
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| Nokius | coderus: real I was assuming this :) | 19:33 |
| Nokius | but I had the feeling its to easy so ... wrong idea | 19:34 |
| coderus | it should be easy | 19:35 |
| coderus | or you doing something wrong | 19:35 |
| Nokius | :D | 19:35 |
| Nokius | had this feeling last night working on this page rewritting to much stuff | 19:36 |
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| ikarus | structuring applications with QML still feels weird | 19:37 |
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| coderus | ikarus: structuring? what you mean? | 19:41 |
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| Nokius_ | :D it works | 19:42 |
| ikarus | coderus: where to leave logic, what abstractions to use and what just add more cruft then they are ever going to solve, memory managment when stuff is instantiated on the wrong side of things, etc | 19:43 |
| ikarus | (automatic GC from the JS side isn't always what you want) | 19:43 |
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| ikarus | and just, it feels sometimes a little weird | 19:44 |
| ikarus | and it's not bad | 19:44 |
| ikarus | it's just a mindset you need to slip into | 19:45 |
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| Nokius_ | coderus: for this its https://gist.github.com/Nokius/ca6d9cba70ca94deb309#file-gistfile1-txt-L84 .topstories[0].banner.variants. ? its not .topstories[0].banner.variants.gross16x9 | 20:21 |
| Nokius_ | get Error: Cannot assign [undefined] to QString | 20:21 |
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| ejjoman | Nokius_: isn't 'banner' a array? banner: [...] | 20:23 |
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| Nokius_ | ejjoman: looks like | 20:25 |
| ejjoman | Nokius_: sorry, if I disturbed, have not got the beginning of your conversation :D | 20:26 |
| Nokius_ | no problem it just open | 20:27 |
| Nokius_ | may varriants is one too? | 20:27 |
| ejjoman | Nokius_: okay :) | 20:27 |
| ejjoman | yep, seems so | 20:28 |
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| ejjoman | Nokius_: https://www.jsoneditoronline.org/ paste it there... then you can drill-down the json structure :) | 20:32 |
| Nokius_ | debugLabel.text = ueberblick.topstories[0].banner[0].variants[0].width; this works but debugLabel.text = ueberblick.topstories[0].banner[0].variants[0].banner3x1; | 20:33 |
| Nokius_ | ejjoman: this is what I wonted THANKS | 20:34 |
| ejjoman | Nokius_: found it myself just now :) | 20:38 |
| ejjoman | Nokius_: tested this in firefox webconsole... works | 20:38 |
| Nokius_ | looks like I'm to derp for it | 20:43 |
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| ejjoman | what do you get? | 20:45 |
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| Nokius_ | topstories.images.variants[5].banner3x1; is what i belive the right but ge this annot read property 'variants' of undefined | 20:48 |
| ejjoman | don't forget, that topstories and images are both arrays | 20:51 |
| Nokius_ | ah its shut be topstories[0].images[0].variants[5].gross16x9 but this returns Error: Cannot assign [undefined] to QString | 20:52 |
| Nokius_ | oh I need sleep its topstories[0].images[0].variants[6].gross16x9 | 20:55 |
| Nokius_ | :D | 20:55 |
| ejjoman | in the json-structure you posted obove, there is no property gross16x9 in variants[5] --> look at variants[6] | 20:55 |
| ejjoman | oh, you got it :) | 20:56 |
| ejjoman | i hope for you that the structure is the same any time, otherwise you gonna have a bad time :D | 20:56 |
| Nokius_ | :D:D:D yes I will have bad time than :D | 20:58 |
| ejjoman | deepest sympathy :P | 21:00 |
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| Nokius_ | okay looks like its time for some sleep :-/ tomorrow I have to figure out why my pullymenu is not doing what I wonted [https://github.com/Nokius/harbour-tagesschau/blob/GUI/qml/pages/ImpressumPage.qml#L74] (man it makes so much fun to develop) | 21:09 |
| Nokius_ | nn | 21:09 |
| Nokius_ | and the application is not propper loading like the do now since u10 :-s | 21:10 |
| Nokius_ | Thanks guys :) you rock! | 21:10 |
| ejjoman | what's up with your pulley? | 21:14 |
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| ejjoman | coderus: sorry, it's not against you @TJC, but i'm "a little bit" dissappointed about this behaviour from Jolla | 22:40 |
| M4rtinK | which one ? :) | 22:43 |
| ejjoman | see comments here: https://together.jolla.com/question/79323/bug-ambiences-not-changing/ | 22:45 |
| ejjoman | basically Jolla ignored my bug report for over half a year... no reaction - nothing... coderus reports same, and *tadaa* - there is a reaction from Jolla instantly | 22:48 |
| M4rtinK | frankly, this is really not that serious | 22:48 |
| M4rtinK | there are much more serious bugs reported all around that are being ignored for much longer | 22:48 |
| ejjoman | seems like coderus has to re-report all of them :D | 22:49 |
| ejjoman | *scnr* | 22:49 |
| M4rtinK | I have a couple bugs and RFEs myself that have been ignored for maybe longer than a year | 22:49 |
| M4rtinK | well you can get hold of Jolla developers on this channel | 22:50 |
| M4rtinK | also there are community meetings where you can present stuff like this as a topic | 22:50 |
| M4rtinK | and the main problem is human resources - there are just so many jolla developers to fix things or even do bug triage | 22:51 |
| ejjoman | but then again, what is this TJC stuff all about, when i have to poke people arround? | 22:51 |
| M4rtinK | next problem is that the Together askbot is unsuitable for proper bug tracking and there is no public bugzilla | 22:51 |
| ejjoman | i understand this absolutely, I am not even dissappointed, that this bug is not fixed or something... but there were zero reaction from Jolla | 22:52 |
| M4rtinK | and the third major issue is all the closed components only Jolla can fix (that includes the ambiance stuff), which contributes again to the first issue | 22:52 |
| M4rtinK | I think it was deployed as a stopgap | 22:52 |
| ejjoman | but then coderus comes in, and it works? | 22:52 |
| M4rtinK | so that Jolla had "something" | 22:53 |
| M4rtinK | to cover both Q/A, bugs and a forum | 22:53 |
| M4rtinK | but now we are stuck with it and it does not really excel at either | 22:53 |
| M4rtinK | well, developers are generally more likely to listen to long time developers they know | 22:54 |
| M4rtinK | as you can usually expect better bug reports from them | 22:54 |
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| ejjoman | yeah, askbot was really not the best idea for this type of thing... | 22:54 |
| M4rtinK | I can understand why they did it at that time | 22:54 |
| M4rtinK | but you can't really track bugs without a real bugzilla | 22:55 |
| ejjoman | i have the feeling, that there is something like a two-class userbase for Jolla, when i see something like that | 22:59 |
| ejjoman | and this dissappoints me | 22:59 |
| M4rtinK | actually I think Jolla ignores all of use in about the same amount :) | 23:00 |
| ejjoman | they had could give me instructions to make a log or traceback or whatnot... i am not a "setup.exe"-clicker or something... but there was no reaction | 23:01 |
| ejjoman | and it is a bug, that an end-user does simply not understand | 23:02 |
| ejjoman | because he got a picture from a friend 3 weeks ago, he can now not change his abiences? | 23:02 |
| ejjoman | and this bug stays even after factory-reset, when you load your backup | 23:02 |
| ejjoman | and now tell me, what my personal pictures i got from a friend have to do with my abiences? :D | 23:03 |
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| ejjoman | even i don't know, i don't even want to know, how e.g. my girlfriend would react to this bug | 23:04 |
| ejjoman | i think something like 8x factory reset and then -> jolla into a package and back to finland with this | 23:05 |
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| coderus | ejjoman: i just showed interesting backtrace to Stskeeps | 23:06 |
| coderus | ejjoman: did you showed anything useful to Jolla? | 23:06 |
| coderus | ejjoman: something to work on bug? | 23:07 |
| ejjoman | coderus: yeah, when my car engine does not start, i disassamble it first, before i go to my garage | 23:07 |
| ejjoman | coderus: i reported a bug and hoped for *some* reaction | 23:08 |
| coderus | ejjoman: then i can't answer you wait for jolla answer | 23:09 |
| ejjoman | coderus: you know, i am not the type of person that goes fastly into b*tching-mode and i am a very loyal person and so on... but this drives me nuts | 23:09 |
| coderus | ejjoman: i only know there are too many work and too many bugs around. yuo really have very rare bug | 23:13 |
| coderus | ejjoman: and if you want to get more attention on it you need to give details | 23:13 |
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| ejjoman | coderus: yes, a rare bug, but from user-pov an extremly hard one | 23:14 |
| coderus | ejjoman: nobody will stop working at something mre important if just 1-3 peoples having some unknown bug. | 23:14 |
| coderus | ejjoman: you helping to detect that bug or just waiting | 23:14 |
| ejjoman | coderus: they could ask me about details or give me instructions | 23:14 |
| coderus | ejjoman: there are no 3rd way | 23:14 |
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| coderus | ejjoman: nobody asked me about details or instuctions | 23:15 |
| ejjoman | coderus: see my amazon-bugreport... even very rare bug, but i instantly a reaction from Jolla | 23:15 |
| ejjoman | coderus: and instructions for logging etc | 23:15 |
| coderus | i spend 3 days with remote debugging user phone via teamviewer to get reason and prepare backtrace | 23:15 |
| ejjoman | that's nice, but sorry... where is the point? | 23:16 |
| coderus | ejjoman: teach yourself | 23:16 |
| ejjoman | coderus: i resolved the issue for me and found the cause, that is all what is interesting for me @ this moment | 23:17 |
| ejjoman | coderus: why should it be my part of work to get all details, JUST to get attention? | 23:18 |
| ejjoman | coderus: that makes no sense at all | 23:18 |
| ejjoman | coderus: when a customer calls me and says "this application does not work", *I* have to look, why it does not work | 23:19 |
| coderus | ejjoman: i'm just giving you an option to get faster response | 23:19 |
| ejjoman | coderus: i can't say "send me logs and stuff" | 23:19 |
| ejjoman | yeah, i know, but i think it should not be necessary | 23:20 |
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| coderus | you got attention on amazon bug easily | 23:21 |
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| coderus | but you cant expect to get it every time :) | 23:21 |
| ejjoman | instantly and about 6 months are a huge difference :) | 23:22 |
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| ejjoman | what would have been happend, when this phone were not affected by this bug and you did not report it? | 23:24 |
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| ejjoman | i think i would not have a reaction even in the next 6 months | 23:25 |
| ejjoman | and this bug is very nasty... as you should know now :) | 23:25 |
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| coderus | ejjoman: i have nothing to say you | 23:36 |
| coderus | but why you didn't talked about this bug during 6 months in irc? | 23:37 |
| coderus | you forgot it too? :D | 23:37 |
| ejjoman | no, i simply though that this is not the right place for it | 23:37 |
| ejjoman | i though we have TJC for things like that | 23:37 |
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| M4rtinK | ejjoman: honestly, I really don't think your bug is that important :) | 23:50 |
| ejjoman | M4rtinK: thats not the point :) | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | there is btrfs making the device unusable & eating data, random shutdowns/reboots and still some connectivity issues from time to time :) | 23:51 |
| ejjoman | even not the point :D | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | "does not ambiance" does not look that important in comparison :) | 23:51 |
| ejjoman | sorry, that is not why i am dissappointed :) | 23:52 |
| M4rtinK | and that's just critical bugs, not even talking about missing functionality | 23:52 |
| ejjoman | do you even read, bro? :D | 23:52 |
| ejjoman | it has nothing to do with the actual status of this bug or anything | 23:53 |
| M4rtinK | well it all boils down to not having a proper bugtracker | 23:53 |
| M4rtinK | IMHO | 23:53 |
| ejjoman | my phone works and I know how to fix things, so there is no need for me, that this specific bug gets fixed | 23:54 |
| ejjoman | my dissappointment comes because there were absolutley no reaction from jolla over half a year but then again, it goes so fast @ coderus' bugreport | 23:55 |
| ejjoman | it's like feeling ignored from the teacher in class, when you are the only one who raises the hand :D | 23:56 |
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| ejjoman | it is not the end of the world for me and I still love my Jolla and Jolla as a company... but i think, this communication problem has to be fixed :) | 23:57 |
| M4rtinK | well, it is not easy to do that properly | 23:58 |
| M4rtinK | especially if you don't want to promise something you might not be able to accomplish | 23:59 |
| M4rtinK | also if you don't have dedicated communication people | 23:59 |
| M4rtinK | you can either code or communicate with users | 23:59 |
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