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| saidinesh5 | sandsmark: hoping to implement a perfect hash today to speed up the AbstractWordMatcher::cost() . i think that should fix all the performance issues in the current BruteForceMatcher | 04:35 |
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| saidinesh5 | http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/generating-perfect-hash-functions/184404506?pgno=1 | 04:35 |
| saidinesh5 | the precision seems quite good btw. | 04:35 |
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| sandsmark | saidinesh5: ah, I've just used gperf before | 04:55 |
| sandsmark | too much to read when drunk, tho | 04:55 |
| saidinesh5 | Ahh | 04:55 |
| saidinesh5 | sandsmark: couldnt find a library implementation of gperf | 04:56 |
| saidinesh5 | i need a hashtable for various keyCodes ... | 04:56 |
| saidinesh5 | which is locale dependent | 04:56 |
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| Nokius | coderus: to night I figured out that I over saw a bigger problem :) getting the password to get root rights :-/ | 09:19 |
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| lukdirtwalker | is there a pkcon log somewhere? | 13:04 |
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| lukdirtwalker | is qt5-qtmultimedia-plugin-audio-pulseaudio there if I have BuildRequires: pkgconfig(Qt5Multimedia) | 13:13 |
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| coderus | Nokius: why the hell you need root privileges? :D | 13:19 |
| coderus | lukdirtwalker: BuildRequires: qt5-qtmultimedia-plugin-audio-pulseaudio | 13:20 |
| lukdirtwalker | coderus: thanks | 13:21 |
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| lukdirtwalker | nazanin: iekku: I would like to submit CuteSpotify to harbour, however the name is taken by it previous maintainer (Elleo) and he agreed that we can delete his version so that we can submit my version. You can contact him in here to get confirmation | 14:43 |
| Elleo | nazanin, iekku: ^ above is fine with me :) (doesn't seem to be a delete option, and we tried renaming the existing drafts without success) | 14:44 |
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| saidinesh5 | sandsmark: was running skeyer demo on my ubuntu touch today .. and i must say it is...... interesting... | 16:03 |
| saidinesh5 | i am actually surprised by the bruteforcematcher | 16:04 |
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| Olpe | whats the command to install apk files trough ssh | 18:09 |
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| Mano_ | hi, can anyone help me with a small issue.. | 18:10 |
| Sail0r | apkd-install /path/to/apkfile.apk | 18:11 |
| Sail0r | @ Olpe | 18:11 |
| Mano_ | i have created an icon for my app, bit i dont know where to put it in my project.. | 18:11 |
| Olpe | thx Sail0r | 18:11 |
| Sail0r | np | 18:11 |
| lukdirtwalker | Mano_: how do you mean where to put? | 18:12 |
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| Mano_ | lukdirtwalker: in my qt project. | 18:13 |
| lukdirtwalker | Mano_: I have it on the level where the .pro file however you can also put somewhere else | 18:14 |
| Olpe | this is awesome. Had like 10 android apps to install and now I could install them all with one command... | 18:14 |
| Olpe | Testing different google cardboard apps on jolla. BTW if somebody is interested, google cardboard works fine on jolla | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | would love to see a blog post about that | 18:15 |
| Olpe | it's suprisingly awesome imo. Considering the price, its epic | 18:16 |
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| coderus | Mano_: go to the folder of your project and replace original icon? | 18:19 |
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| a3x | hi there :) | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | moo a3x | 18:21 |
| a3x | can anybody explain me about cron alternative in sailfishos? | 18:22 |
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| a3x | I know about systemd timers, but its not work when phone is sleep :( | 18:27 |
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| TemeV | a3x: https://together.jolla.com/question/16434/cronjob-on-sailfish/?answer=49662#post-id-49662 | 18:30 |
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| Mano_ | thanks lukdirtwalker and coderus. | 18:39 |
| Mano_ | got it... | 18:40 |
| a3x | thanks TemeV | 18:40 |
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| Mano_ | have one more doubt. any place to learn about active covers of sailfish apps? | 19:06 |
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| Niju | How many of you are on irc through your Jolla just now? | 20:21 |
| Flexman | hm, i guess a Motorola Droid 4 with Sailfish OS might make sense | 20:21 |
| Flexman | Niju: no sorry, pc | 20:21 |
| Niju | Just as I saw 340 users, quite lively | 20:22 |
| Niju | wondered if they were on using their Jolla | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | quite many, i think | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | but many just ssh to a irssi | 20:22 |
| coderus | Niju: i'm running irssi on server and i'm always online on irc :) | 20:23 |
| coderus | about cron and etc: isn't sailfishos using timed for alarms as harmattan? | 20:24 |
| sandsmark | I use quassel and quasseldroid | 20:24 |
| Niju | Forgive my ignorance but what is irssi? | 20:24 |
| sandsmark | Niju: irssi a command line irc client | 20:24 |
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| coderus | in harmattan there are was thicks to use timed to execute your events :) | 20:24 |
| Niju | Aren't they all? lol. I'm using hexchat just now on my Gnome 3 | 20:24 |
| coderus | too oldschool to use irssi in gui :D | 20:24 |
| sandsmark | Niju: no, it runs in a terminal | 20:24 |
| Niju | right, I get ya now | 20:25 |
| sandsmark | so it runs on a server | 20:25 |
| Niju | I'm awake now lol | 20:25 |
| coderus | i mean too oldschool to use irc in gui :D | 20:25 |
| r0kk3rz | i need a server | 20:25 |
| coderus | servers are everywhere :) | 20:25 |
| * Flexman wonders if any of the Sailfish OS ports runs well on other devices. | 20:26 | |
| coderus | everybody should have at least own vps slot | 20:26 |
| r0kk3rz | never bothered with a vps, usually just host my own from home | 20:26 |
| Flexman | a there is the list: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 20:26 |
| coderus | it not you can always have any old pc/laptop and dyndns service at home :) | 20:26 |
| r0kk3rz | Flexman: the best is the nexus4 afaik | 20:26 |
| coderus | r0kk3rz: it's okay :) | 20:27 |
| Niju | Flexman: Actually just trying this on my old HTC desire z | 20:27 |
| r0kk3rz | might see if I can get one of my friends to hook up my server in aus | 20:27 |
| r0kk3rz | latency might be a bit shit this side of the world though | 20:28 |
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| coderus | r0kk3rz: shouldn't be a problem if using good provider :) | 20:28 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i think it would be fine | 20:29 |
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| r0kk3rz | although i can probably repurpose my old laptop with the dead screen | 20:32 |
| Flexman | Niju: this is great! i just wanted to ask if this works fine on the desire Z | 20:32 |
| Niju | Flexman: It's glitchy, but it runs actually a lot better than I expected | 20:33 |
| Flexman | i'll definately need it on some keyboard-phone. so my next phone might be one with sailfish os i hope, altough a used desire z is much cheaper than a jolla+keyboard which will be about 400 euros... | 20:34 |
| Niju | I don't know if the guy is still working on it, still alpha build | 20:34 |
| r0kk3rz | Flexman: i think sledges was working on a the desire z | 20:34 |
| Flexman | Niju: ah i see. still, that sounds interesting. let's hope that sailfish os will be available on some keyboard phones | 20:35 |
| Niju | I got the stuff from xda, guhl was doing it or something like that | 20:35 |
| Flexman | i have the HTC Chacha right now, but this has Arm v6 | 20:35 |
| Flexman | sledges: so ist that true? ;) | 20:35 |
| Niju | Is anyone working on a port to the moto g 1st gen? You can legitimately unlock the bootloader with a tool from motorola | 20:36 |
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| Flexman | Motorola Droid 4 has a keyboard | 20:36 |
| Niju | Would anyone be interest in a T( dropdown other half keyboard, like on some old Nokia's? | 20:37 |
| Niju | T9 keyboard I mean | 20:37 |
| r0kk3rz | Niju: ive heard people asking for a T9 soft keyboard | 20:40 |
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| Niju | Yeah that would be good also | 20:40 |
| r0kk3rz | can probably hack together a T9 otherhalf | 20:40 |
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| kimmoli | seriouzly ? :P | 20:41 |
| Niju | Yeah, never been the greatest fan of qwerty keyboards, though the desire z one is actually pretty good :) | 20:41 |
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| r0kk3rz | steal dirks idea of magnets but put a sliding rail on it as well | 20:42 |
| r0kk3rz | hole for the camera | 20:42 |
| kimmoli | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Ericsson_Dialog_in_green.JPG/1280px-Ericsson_Dialog_in_green.JPG | 20:42 |
| Niju | Haha | 20:42 |
| Niju | I really need to order my Jolla | 20:43 |
| r0kk3rz | rotary dial otherhalf | 20:43 |
| kimmoli | we had plans for it | 20:43 |
| r0kk3rz | complete with pulsedialing sounds | 20:43 |
| Niju | lolol | 20:44 |
| kimmoli | ofc. 3d printing, everything possible | 20:44 |
| r0kk3rz | indeed | 20:44 |
| r0kk3rz | although surely you could find a rotary dial phone in some collectables shop | 20:45 |
| Niju | Could reverse engineer the slide mechanism from some old nokia's, 6610 had one I believe | 20:45 |
| kimmoli | i should have such ericsson (in red) somewhere | 20:45 |
| r0kk3rz | Niju: i think dirks magnet idea with a simple sliding rail would work well | 20:45 |
| kimmoli | the tohkbd gen1 did use slide mechanism from bt-keyboard | 20:45 |
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| Niju | r0kk3rz: For a qwerty or T9? | 20:46 |
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| r0kk3rz | t9 | 20:47 |
| r0kk3rz | theres no point making a competing qwerty | 20:47 |
| Niju | Man I would love for that to be made | 20:47 |
| r0kk3rz | unless i hacked an old bb bold | 20:48 |
| Niju | Yeah, I'm new to the whole Jolla scene so not aware of a lot of what is going on | 20:48 |
| r0kk3rz | and removed the keyboard | 20:48 |
| r0kk3rz | that could be a nice profile keyboard | 20:48 |
| kimmoli | about the otherhalfs, http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=59 | 20:50 |
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| Armadillo | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1457151&postcount=979 :D | 20:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blackberry-Bold-9900-Keypad-Keyboard-Trackpad-Membrane-PBC-Flex-Cable-Black-/330815185447 | 20:51 |
| r0kk3rz | 6 pounds | 20:51 |
| r0kk3rz | cheeeeeeep | 20:51 |
| Flexman | Niju: i'm rather interested in blackberry style kearboards (or let's say Nokia E71 or Palm Treo 600 keyboards) | 20:52 |
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| kimmoli | Armadillo: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1457156&postcount=980 | 20:54 |
| Niju | Flexman: Would the buttons be big enough for that form factor? | 20:55 |
| Armadillo | yes, just recognized it :-/ | 20:55 |
| Flexman | Niju: sure... i can type faster than with a slider keyboard like the z has | 20:55 |
| r0kk3rz | i never had any trouble with typing on bb keyboards | 20:56 |
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| r0kk3rz | and you dont have to use it in landscape | 20:56 |
| Niju | I must admit, I have never properly used a bb | 20:57 |
| Niju | It never looked comfortable tho, always looked like the buttons were too small | 20:57 |
| Niju | Maybe you guys can answer this tho, how do you find the sailfish soft keyboard? | 20:58 |
| Niju | it's a bit glitchy on the desire z rom, disappears as you type lol | 20:58 |
| r0kk3rz | the buttons are small but the shape of them makes it accurate | 21:00 |
| r0kk3rz | as they arent flat | 21:00 |
| Nokius_ | coderus: to over write a file :) in the standard icon folder :-/ | 21:01 |
| Niju | r0kk3rz: Cool. :) | 21:04 |
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| * Nokius_ every one a great week | 21:10 | |
| kimmoli | crap monday tomorrow | 21:11 |
| Armadillo | oh no, don't mention it! :( | 21:11 |
| sledges | &( | 21:12 |
| Niju | Think I'll order my Jolla tomorrow. It's time :) | 21:15 |
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| r0kk3rz | dooooeeeeeet | 21:19 |
| Niju | :P | 21:20 |
| Niju | Got a friend gonna buy one also | 21:20 |
| cryorat | Niju, you are late :) | 21:20 |
| Niju | I know, I forgot about it actually and only recently re-discovered sailfish | 21:20 |
| r0kk3rz | Niju: might be worth waiting until march | 21:21 |
| Niju | I'm impatient | 21:21 |
| r0kk3rz | see whether jolla announces anything at MWC | 21:21 |
| r0kk3rz | although the jolla phone is pretty cheap these days | 21:22 |
| Niju | A new model would probably be more than I am willing to pend on a phone at the moment, | 21:22 |
| cryorat | I saw jolla first a year ago, and i was dreamed about since i brought it | 21:22 |
| Niju | £200 on amazon :) | 21:22 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 21:22 |
| Niju | can try out my free prime trial | 21:22 |
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| r0kk3rz | new model would be unlikely to come out until november ish anyway | 21:23 |
| r0kk3rz | even if announced at mwc | 21:23 |
| Niju | Yeah | 21:23 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe earlier | 21:23 |
| r0kk3rz | since aside from hw adaptation the software is ready | 21:23 |
| Niju | How do you all find the battery life and what would you say your useage is? | 21:24 |
| r0kk3rz | not bad, could be better | 21:24 |
| r0kk3rz | normally get 2 days light-medium usage | 21:24 |
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| r0kk3rz | although in areas of bad coverage it seems to drain within a day or so | 21:25 |
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| cryorat | Niju, if you dont use some applications that drain the battery (chat apps etc what always auto refreshes itself) on light usage I almost made through a week | 21:26 |
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| cryorat | light usage + wifi+3g always on | 21:26 |
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| Flexman | Niju: well the Z has a hardware keyboard anyway :-) concerning the BB: I don't really like the blackberrys - others (like Nokia E71, HTC Chacha, Treo 600) had a better keyboard in my opinion, but i really prefer that keyboard shape. | 21:28 |
| sandsmark | yeah, I have a q10, but it wasn't as good as my desire z | 21:29 |
| sandsmark | unfortunately my desire z is almost worn down :P | 21:29 |
| Flexman | yeah, i took a look at the Q10 in the shop but these blackberrys never were great, allthough i like the keyboard shape | 21:30 |
| Flexman | also nokia was able to put the umlauts on their keyboard, the chacha can make it with the sym key, and on the blackberrys you have to make an ü by pressing an u and waiting for the ü to appear on the touch screen. this is just stupid. | 21:31 |
| Flexman | even the jolla other half keyboard is available in multiple language layouts! :) | 21:31 |
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| Nokius_ | my college was totally surprised when he noticed I have a Jolla he will get his end of this month | 21:34 |
| * Nokius_ only 4 days and we have a weekend again :D | 21:35 | |
| Niju | I like your way of thinking Nokius | 21:35 |
| Niju | 2 days, a week lol, I measure my android phones battery life in hours | 21:35 |
| r0kk3rz | the android phone probably has an old battery | 21:36 |
| Niju | my current moto g has been about the best, medium useage gets me to about 40% in maybe 16 hours | 21:36 |
| r0kk3rz | i know i ruined the battery in my incredible s | 21:37 |
| cryorat | Nokius_, Good for you. Im working in the weekends too | 21:37 |
| r0kk3rz | was one of the things that pushed me to getting a jolla | 21:37 |
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| Flexman | Niju: how long is the battery lasting with sailfish os on your desire z? | 21:44 |
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| Niju | Flexman: Well, it was 74% when I first flashed sailfish 1.0, then I formatted and reinstalled 1.1 something, then reformatted and put 1.0 on again and it's at 48% now | 21:46 |
| Niju | First flashed about 3 hours ago | 21:46 |
| Niju | This rom isn't stable, adding accounts doesn't work, camera doesn't work | 21:47 |
| Niju | graphical glitches, what you would expect from an alpha | 21:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | whats the sfos version though | 21:53 |
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| Flexman | Niju: hm i see | 21:54 |
| Flexman | well let's wait a little bit, my Chacha should do it for another year maybe thee is a new jolla then | 21:54 |
| r0kk3rz | although running a buggy port of a buggy os would probably lead to all sorts of weird and wonderful things happening | 21:55 |
| Niju | it's sailfish 1.0.8.19 | 21:55 |
| r0kk3rz | tahkalampi then | 21:55 |
| Niju | there is a newer one, but it didn't run as good | 21:55 |
| Niju | http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-desire-z/development/teaser-vision-sailfish-os-1-0-8-19-t2885230 | 21:56 |
| Niju | all the necessary files are on the first post at that link | 21:56 |
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| Niju | latest is 1.1.0.39 | 21:57 |
| Niju | but no updates since october | 21:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | ah | 21:57 |
| r0kk3rz | uitukka | 21:57 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah that one had some rough edges | 21:58 |
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| Niju | I'm impressed it runs as well as it runs on this | 21:58 |
| r0kk3rz | latest jolla is 1.1.1.27 | 21:58 |
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| Niju | how do you find it? | 22:01 |
| r0kk3rz | quite stable actually | 22:03 |
| r0kk3rz | you no longer need to have intimate knowledge of things that should stay out of your way | 22:03 |
| r0kk3rz | like tracker and connman | 22:04 |
| Niju | isn't that part of the fun? :P | 22:04 |
| r0kk3rz | indeed | 22:04 |
| r0kk3rz | but not everyone sees it that way | 22:04 |
| r0kk3rz | and want their phone to actually work reliably as a phone | 22:05 |
| Niju | Goddamn sheeple, lol. | 22:05 |
| Niju | I'll keep my moto g as a backup when I get it, just in case. ;) | 22:05 |
| lachs0r | you still need to know about btrfs | 22:06 |
| lachs0r | it’s still waiting to backstab you | 22:06 |
| Niju | Never bothered with it tbh, I'm an ext4 guy | 22:07 |
| lachs0r | has anyone changed the /home fs? | 22:07 |
| lachs0r | on jolla, that is | 22:07 |
| lachs0r | I’d do so without a second though if I weren’t afraid of breaking everything | 22:08 |
| lachs0r | +t | 22:08 |
| r0kk3rz | ive never had to touch it | 22:10 |
| lachs0r | yet | 22:10 |
| r0kk3rz | but ymmv | 22:10 |
| lachs0r | I didn’t expect it to happen either | 22:10 |
| r0kk3rz | you could swap out btrfs with anything | 22:10 |
| r0kk3rz | except the update scripts wont work | 22:11 |
| lachs0r | that’s what I’m afraid of | 22:11 |
| r0kk3rz | as they will be expecting to do a btrfs snapshot | 22:11 |
| Niju | anyway guys, I'm away to sleep for now, I expect I'll be a regular in here from now | 22:11 |
| r0kk3rz | and the current recovery process, which also uses btrfs snapshots will be broken as well | 22:11 |
| Niju | Catch you guys later | 22:11 |
| r0kk3rz | aside from those things, should JustWorkTM | 22:11 |
| Flexman | what's the thing with mer is not free? or is everything in sailfish os open source? | 22:12 |
| lachs0r | the “you can’t update your device without switching back to btrfs” is kind of a deal-breaker | 22:12 |
| lachs0r | or will a zypper dup just work when there’s a new one? I did not attempt that yet | 22:13 |
| r0kk3rz | im sure you'll be able to update | 22:13 |
| r0kk3rz | just with a new process | 22:13 |
| r0kk3rz | rather than using the gui | 22:13 |
| r0kk3rz | which is likely a whole new can of worms | 22:13 |
| r0kk3rz | Flexman: mer is free | 22:14 |
| r0kk3rz | sfos is mostly free | 22:14 |
| Flexman | r0kk3rz: ah ok. i wasn't sure yet. what is the part that is not free? | 22:14 |
| lachs0r | and device drivers are never free in ARM land | 22:14 |
| Flexman | lachs0r: not? is it because of ARM? | 22:15 |
| lachs0r | hardware/chipset manufacturers being dicks, mostly | 22:15 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah drivers is a big one | 22:16 |
| r0kk3rz | but thats not really mer or sfos | 22:16 |
| r0kk3rz | but hardware | 22:16 |
| lachs0r | everyone wants to sell their SoC of the week with every bit of IP under locks | 22:16 |
| lachs0r | so you get android drivers at best | 22:16 |
| r0kk3rz | thats not entirely true lachs0r, there was an interesting article i was reading about the chinese manufacturers | 22:17 |
| lachs0r | r0kk3rz: isn’t it true for the SoCs you would actually WANT in your device? | 22:17 |
| r0kk3rz | http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=3040 | 22:18 |
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| r0kk3rz | from a western perspective sure | 22:18 |
| r0kk3rz | but the chinese seem to do a 'you scratch my back i'll scratch yours' kind of thing when it comes to proprietary knowledge | 22:19 |
| r0kk3rz | point is, jolla dont have the time nor the resources to liberate a whole driver stack | 22:19 |
| r0kk3rz | and what they get from their OEM is android drivers | 22:19 |
| lachs0r | exactly | 22:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | but anyway, to answer your question Flexman, the main part of sfos thats non-free is the silica GUI | 22:20 |
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| Flexman | r0kk3rz: ah thanks. so that means that sailfish os will have to use ore manipulate android drivers? | 22:22 |
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| coderus | Nokius_: what? | 22:22 |
| Flexman | evern there are no free drivers for the fairphone or the jolla phone? | 22:22 |
| coderus | Nokius_: ah, root | 22:22 |
| coderus | repeat please, what app you making? | 22:22 |
| r0kk3rz | Flexman: they invented a thing called libhybris | 22:23 |
| r0kk3rz | which translates android driver calls into glibc calls | 22:24 |
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| Flexman | ah ok | 22:26 |
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| Flexman | ah that explains why ports are listed under this link https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris and why they used devices where CM11 works | 22:27 |
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| Flexman | r0kk3rz: so that makes sense now | 22:36 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah it takes a bit of time to get your head around all the different projects that go into the thing that ships on a jolla phone | 22:37 |
| Flexman | but still that makes more sense to me than Firefox OS or Ubuntu Touch (which still doesn't seem to be ready yet) | 22:41 |
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| coderus | ubuntu touch is ready | 22:42 |
| coderus | no idea about ffos | 22:43 |
| r0kk3rz | well ffos has shipped on phones | 22:44 |
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| coderus | ah, right | 22:47 |
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| Flexman | coderus: does ubuntu touch make sense? | 22:51 |
| Flexman | i mean whats the reason to prefer sailfish or vice versa? | 22:52 |
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| r0kk3rz | depends on what you mean by 'make sense' | 22:59 |
| r0kk3rz | it also uses hybris | 22:59 |
| r0kk3rz | i would also expect that everything from hybris up is open sourced | 23:00 |
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