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| nycat- | what is responsible for starting the wayland server? | 02:17 |
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| saidinesh5 | sandsmark: btw. what are you working on wrt skeyer? | 06:03 |
| saidinesh5 | i have a few more experiments to run with our edit distance algorithm | 06:03 |
| saidinesh5 | today i am testing them out... mainly 2 improvements : 1 is an early return kind of thing in the edit distance algorithm based on the threshold | 06:04 |
| saidinesh5 | that should bring down the complexity of editDistance from O( m*n ) to O( k * min(m,n) )..... and since k ~ 5-6 ; while m and n are around 30, i think this will fix a lot of performance issues | 06:06 |
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| saidinesh5 | the second improvement is a more interesting one..... | 06:06 |
| saidinesh5 | i m thinking of making substitution cost 1 - distance(keys) or something like that | 06:07 |
| saidinesh5 | this should be interesting ... BUT i think it would ruin our BK trees because then editDistance would not behave well with the triangle inequality | 06:08 |
| saidinesh5 | like PIT and SIT are of edit distnace 1 from each other | 06:09 |
| saidinesh5 | but FIT wont be the same edit distance as it is from PIT or SIT | 06:10 |
| saidinesh5 | like it is closer to sit than pit | 06:11 |
| saidinesh5 | lets see though | 06:11 |
| saidinesh5 | first the cutoff one should be interesting | 06:11 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmhm | 06:34 |
| tortoisedoc | funny | 06:34 |
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| tortoisedoc | how to debug app reactivity? | 06:34 |
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| tortoisedoc | how to compare runtime requirements (RAM / CPU) in general? monitoring /proc? | 06:51 |
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| Armadillo | isn't Python already allowed in Harbour? | 08:01 |
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| Yaniel | yes | 08:05 |
| Yaniel | gpodder was just published there | 08:05 |
| Nicd- | :o | 08:05 |
| Armadillo | so someone should update the Harbour FAQ^^ | 08:05 |
| Nicd- | I missed the memo on that | 08:05 |
| Armadillo | check the new apps frequently :P | 08:05 |
| Nicd- | no, on the python compatibility | 08:06 |
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| Armadillo | ah ok | 08:08 |
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| nadley | hi all | 08:20 |
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| pketolai_ | Armadillo: update to harbour faq coming probably today :) | 08:52 |
| Armadillo | pketolai_ sounds good, what will be changed? :) | 08:53 |
| pketolai_ | Armadillo: the python part :) | 08:53 |
| Armadillo | :) | 08:53 |
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| nadley | is it possible to use the caldav of sailfish os with davmail ? | 09:01 |
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| coderus | tortoisedoc: dependency on harbour package not possible | 09:09 |
| coderus | because harbour won't give you list of packages until you not installed it | 09:09 |
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| tortoisedoc | coderus : yeah, thanks | 09:09 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : I think you could still put a dependency in the openrepos pkg tho (referring to a package available from harbour) | 09:10 |
| tortoisedoc | you would loose the automatic fetch | 09:10 |
| tortoisedoc | but meh | 09:10 |
| tortoisedoc | its a minor problem | 09:10 |
| tortoisedoc | I have a funny situation now | 09:11 |
| tortoisedoc | when quickbar is autostarted | 09:11 |
| tortoisedoc | it freezes | 09:11 |
| tortoisedoc | or is only partly usable | 09:11 |
| tortoisedoc | killing it and starting it normally | 09:11 |
| tortoisedoc | makes it fully ok | 09:11 |
| tortoisedoc | I wonder if autostarted apps have different runtime limits (RAM / CPU?) | 09:11 |
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| coderus | i don't know | 09:19 |
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| tortoisedoc | sailors | 10:47 |
| tortoisedoc | can anyone help with some runtime performance analysis? | 10:47 |
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| daitheflu | hi ! | 11:09 |
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| SK_work | tortoisedoc: what kind ? | 11:14 |
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| tortoisedoc | SK_work : I would like to gain insight on why my app's runtime behaviour is different when started by systemd vs when started normally | 11:16 |
| tortoisedoc | (by different I mean : unresponsive, only certain actions working) | 11:17 |
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| sandsmark | saidinesh5: the second idea sounds very interesting | 11:19 |
| sandsmark | and I'm not working on anything atm., haven't had much spare time left over for much lately :( | 11:19 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: using invoker in both case ? | 11:19 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work : good point, invoker used only when started normally | 11:20 |
| tortoisedoc | why? | 11:20 |
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| SK_work | tortoisedoc: invoker do some trics | 11:24 |
| SK_work | tricks | 11:24 |
| SK_work | better use it all the time | 11:24 |
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| tortoisedoc | SK_work : ok i see, problem seems to happen independently if i use invoker or not | 11:35 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work : what kind of tricks does invoker do? | 11:35 |
| SK_work | hum | 11:38 |
| SK_work | setting some env var ? | 11:38 |
| SK_work | maybe suid too | 11:38 |
| SK_work | what's the problem ? | 11:38 |
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| tortoisedoc | SK_work : well, basically once started by systemd, scrolling stops working and sliding left on list items stops working | 12:05 |
| tortoisedoc | (independently if through invoker or not) | 12:05 |
| entil | this gave me an idea. http://venturebeat.com/2014/11/26/uber-app-collects-an-uncool-amount-of-data-about-users-security-pro-says/ | 12:05 |
| entil | to what extent does alien dalvik see jolla's eg. calendar data? can that be separately configured? | 12:06 |
| entil | like "sure, bullshit application du jour, do your nsa thing" and little does it know it's actually sealed shut from the actual environment | 12:08 |
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| tortoisedoc | entil : you could go further of that, and feed it with fake data ;) | 12:19 |
| entil | sure | 12:20 |
| entil | as jolla boasts being the more private company, would something like that be feasible? | 12:20 |
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| entil | I'm sure there are a lot of non-trivialities, like what to do when the app asks for access to your camera and you've used Jolla Dalvik Blocker to deny sharing the camera. a black image over the camera protocol? | 12:24 |
| entil | some apps want this to add a profile pic, so should you be able to set an image as the camera feed? | 12:24 |
| entil | maybe a black image from the camera, empty phone book, empty messages, empty call log | 12:25 |
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| SK_work | tortoisedoc: weired | 12:55 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work : you mean weird? :P | 12:56 |
| tortoisedoc | yes it is weird | 12:56 |
| tortoisedoc | cause its not even qml errors | 12:56 |
| tortoisedoc | (i have specific handler to log errors but nothing comes out) | 12:56 |
| tortoisedoc | its like only some events are processed | 12:56 |
| tortoisedoc | but only very specific ones | 12:56 |
| tortoisedoc | and always the same ones | 12:57 |
| SK_work | hum ... | 12:57 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: just to be sure, are you starting it as user ? | 12:58 |
| SK_work | not as root | 12:58 |
| SK_work | for systemd | 12:58 |
| tortoisedoc | systemd -> dbus -> User=nemo | 12:58 |
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| Armadillo | what's the best way tu push an array of information into a ListView? Currently I'm appending them calling a function on the page from the DB class, which doesn't look very professionell I think :-/ | 13:09 |
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| Armadillo | data comes from LocalStorage | 13:10 |
| Nicd- | the list page should do dataList = DB.getListOfData(); | 13:13 |
| Nicd- | then do whatever with the dataList | 13:14 |
| anandrkris | Hi - Just, for my understanding. Other than Maps app, no other native apps can use Location? | 13:17 |
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| Nicd- | they can | 13:18 |
| Nicd- | harbour didn't approve QtPositioning previously but it should now | 13:19 |
| anandrkris | Okay... I was told by Tweetian developer that 'Attach Location' feature is only in openrepos | 13:19 |
| anandrkris | oh..ok | 13:19 |
| anandrkris | https://together.jolla.com/question/11446/support-for-qtpositioning-qtlocation-apis/ | 13:19 |
| Nicd- | some apps resort to asking geoclue over dbus and that's how they got into harbour | 13:19 |
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| anandrkris | tjc post does not suggest that its already available...released in new SDK perhaps | 13:21 |
| Armadillo | Nicd- thanks, just was confused by myself^^ | 13:22 |
| Nicd- | anandrkris: well, that post is really old | 13:22 |
| Nicd- | harbour FAQ says "It will be available for Harbour apps with the software update that introduces Qt 5.2." | 13:22 |
| Nicd- | and we already have Qt 5.2 | 13:22 |
| Nicd- | maybe someone responsible of harbour / jolla QA can confirm | 13:22 |
| anandrkris | and close the topic as well | 13:22 |
| Nicd- | harbour FAQ also seems to state python apps are not allowed but they are now | 13:23 |
| anandrkris | :) | 13:23 |
| Nicd- | who needs up to date documentation anyway?! | 13:23 |
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| anandrkris | lol...maybe many such apps are available only on openrepos for said reason... | 13:26 |
| Nicd- | I wonder who's responsible for harbour nowadays | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | iekku: ^ | 13:27 |
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| anandrkris | Folks - if this helps, have listed some of regression issues in 1.1.1.27 | 13:28 |
| anandrkris | https://together.jolla.com/question/74971/11127-list-of-regression-issues/ | 13:28 |
| Nicd- | iekku: summarized for you: harbour is not clear if QtPositioning is allowed. also harbour FAQ states that python is not allowed but someone here said it is | 13:28 |
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| anandrkris | yes, gpodder already uses python i read | 13:29 |
| anandrkris | i observed xfade_ also answered couple of harbor related TJC posts :) | 13:31 |
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| pketolai_ | as I already mentioned earlier today, the harbour faq will be updated soon :) | 13:33 |
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| iekku | Nicd-, thanks <3 | 13:33 |
| Nicd- | good :) | 13:34 |
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| Nicd- | there's one simple GPS app I need and might as well submit it to Harbour if I get around to making it some weekend | 13:35 |
| iekku | Nicd-, see conversation starting from 15:05: http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-11-25-15.00.log.html | 13:37 |
| iekku | Nicd-, i asked to update FAQ so it's more clear | 13:38 |
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| Nicd- | ok, so QtPositioning is actually not allowed? sad :/ the quote I pasted would imply it is | 13:39 |
| anandrkris | Nicd-: so i was right :) | 13:41 |
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| iekku | i think we had some discussion about that on previous meeting too, let me check | 13:44 |
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| iekku | from collaboration meeting 7/1/2015: QtPositioning has gone a step closer, I'll poke the right parties (sorry stemming from past topic, but I know how sore this is) | 13:46 |
| iekku | said by sledges | 13:47 |
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| Nicd- | well, I'm not in a rush since my laptop doesn't run the SDK anyway so I'll have to wait till I get a new one :P | 13:59 |
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| Nicd- | I'm still on some old SDK from last summer I think | 13:59 |
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| iekku | :/ | 14:16 |
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| sledges | yes, i pinged, i'll ping againl) | 14:24 |
| faenil | ??:D | 14:24 |
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| wickwire | Hi guys, I'm trying to manage power consumption on my app for jolla | 15:51 |
| wickwire | which uses sensors | 15:51 |
| wickwire | I've been trying to use nemo-keepalive as a tip | 15:51 |
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| wickwire | for dealing with states in C++ | 15:51 |
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| wickwire | apart from the current code which won't deploy cleanly on a jolla using SailfishOS IDE, does anyone have any other approaches, | 15:52 |
| wickwire | documentation, | 15:52 |
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| faenil | maybe spiiroin can give you a hint | 15:53 |
| wickwire | some basepoint I could use to start with the events and then incorporate into my app? | 15:53 |
| wickwire | faenil: thanks | 15:53 |
| wickwire | as I've been struggling with this, I'd be willing to document any successes with this, | 15:54 |
| wickwire | should that help everyone else | 15:54 |
| wickwire | at least in not having to spend the time I have/will, if at my level | 15:54 |
| wickwire | as a developer for the platform | 15:54 |
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| faenil | wickwire, I think nemomobile-keepalive repository has at least an example | 15:59 |
| faenil | have you had a look? | 15:59 |
| wickwire | faenil: yes, I tried to build the examples but they generally fail on deployment | 15:59 |
| wickwire | then I found a sailfishOS devel thread | 15:59 |
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| wickwire | which had some loose steps on how to do it, | 16:00 |
| wickwire | but was mostly oriented back to QML | 16:00 |
| wickwire | https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-March/003746.html | 16:00 |
| wickwire | it seems nemo-keepalive requires libiphb | 16:01 |
| wickwire | I'm not sure if it's included in the jolla OS build | 16:01 |
| wickwire | I've been searching | 16:01 |
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| wickwire | I'm under the notion that I should use Background Activity from nemo-keepalive, based on previous suggestions | 16:02 |
| faenil | I can't help sorry :/ | 16:02 |
| wickwire | faenil: it's ok, I'm not ready to give up just yet | 16:03 |
| faenil | ;) | 16:03 |
| Olpe | Can somebody help me with this: [W] unknown:108 - file:///usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/Page.qml:108: ReferenceError: __silica_applicationwindow_instance is not defined | 16:04 |
| wickwire | jolla, sailfishos, nemo, mer - so many pieces, I end up not knowing where to ask the questions :p | 16:04 |
| faenil | wickwire, this is the channel for sailfishos app development questions ;) | 16:04 |
| wickwire | faenil: so at least now I'm at the right place at least ;) | 16:05 |
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| faenil | :) | 16:05 |
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| Olpe | now I only see a white screen... | 16:08 |
| daitheflu | Olpe: to me that would mean your app doesn't have a window | 16:09 |
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| Olpe | facepalm! I tried opening FirstPage.qml instead of appname.qml where the appwindow was created. | 16:11 |
| daitheflu | Olpe: I did the same a few days ago, but I didn't remember the error since I corrected it quite quickly | 16:11 |
| daitheflu | glad you solved it :) | 16:11 |
| SK_work | wickwire: what do you mean about sensing ? | 16:12 |
| SK_work | wickwire: for your app do you want to target harbour | 16:12 |
| SK_work | and are your app open-source ? | 16:12 |
| wickwire | SK_work: the app will be open sourced yes, once I get to finish it, like the previous one also is | 16:13 |
| wickwire | I'm reading Accelerometer data | 16:13 |
| wickwire | and proximity sensor data | 16:13 |
| wickwire | using C++ | 16:13 |
| wickwire | and applying filters | 16:13 |
| SK_work | ok | 16:13 |
| SK_work | you want to read it periodically ? | 16:13 |
| SK_work | you can dynamically / statically build nemo-keepalive from nemomobile | 16:13 |
| SK_work | https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-keepalive | 16:13 |
| wickwire | I would like to stop reading values once the app is running in the background | 16:13 |
| SK_work | (static linking is better) | 16:14 |
| SK_work | well, if you want this you use ApplicationWindow iirc | 16:14 |
| SK_work | https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-applicationwindow.html#applicationActive-prop | 16:14 |
| SK_work | something like that | 16:14 |
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| wickwire | SK_work: basically I'd like to fix power consumption when the app is in stand by i.e. with the cover | 16:14 |
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| kimmoli | https://github.com/kimmoli/harbour-siika/blob/master/qml/pages/Siikapeli.qml#L32 ?? | 16:15 |
| SK_work | wickwire: what kimmoli said ^ | 16:15 |
| wickwire | yes, I found Qt.application.active and similar for QML | 16:16 |
| wickwire | however I ended up developing the sensor reading and filter corrections in C++ | 16:16 |
| wickwire | and would like if possible | 16:16 |
| SK_work | wickwire: you can transfer the QML applicationWindow state to C++ | 16:16 |
| wickwire | to handle the sensor->start() / ->stop() there | 16:17 |
| SK_work | via a sort of bridge | 16:17 |
| SK_work | nemo-keepalive won't be useful here | 16:17 |
| wickwire | I thought about emitting a signal from QML | 16:17 |
| wickwire | back to C++ | 16:17 |
| wickwire | but it seemed redundant I thought | 16:17 |
| wickwire | as I was under the impression | 16:17 |
| wickwire | that if QML knows about the app state | 16:17 |
| wickwire | so should C++...? | 16:17 |
| wickwire | incorrect assumption maybe...? | 16:18 |
| SK_work | wickwire: silica C++ knows the state | 16:18 |
| SK_work | but we don't have access to C++ silica | 16:18 |
| SK_work | so what we can do at best is to do this bridge back | 16:18 |
| SK_work | even if it is redundant :( | 16:18 |
| wickwire | SK_work: ok that makes more sense | 16:18 |
| wickwire | no no, that is ok, if there is no other way | 16:18 |
| kimmoli | onApplicationActiveChanged: your.qinvokable(applicationActive) ?? | 16:19 |
| wickwire | I guess I'm still understanding what is accessible on jolla and what is not | 16:19 |
| wickwire | kimmoli: from what you all have been explaining, then it makes sense to go that way | 16:19 |
| wickwire | and hopefully, the app could be accepted by the jolla QA | 16:19 |
| wickwire | which is also something I'd like to ensure | 16:20 |
| kimmoli | did your app got rejected due powerconsumption? | 16:20 |
| wickwire | not this one, but the previous one did | 16:20 |
| kimmoli | been there ... | 16:20 |
| wickwire | and it was a redundant animation I had on the cover | 16:20 |
| wickwire | well I liked it | 16:20 |
| wickwire | :p | 16:20 |
| wickwire | anyways, I'd like to be able to stop the elements, I think my notions are clearer now | 16:21 |
| wickwire | <SK_work> wickwire: silica C++ knows the state | 16:21 |
| wickwire | <SK_work> but we don't have access to C++ silica | 16:21 |
| wickwire | thanks to SK_work | 16:21 |
| wickwire | so I will try to handle it like you were suggesting, kimmoli | 16:22 |
| wickwire | if the app gets published in the end, | 16:22 |
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| wickwire | I will document the whole thing - at least these notions of what should be and what is actually available | 16:22 |
| wickwire | unless there's some wiki/reference clearly indicating this issue and I've missed it | 16:23 |
| wickwire | thank you for your help | 16:23 |
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| daitheflu | hey guys, I'm kinda sorry to ask this here but does someone know where I could find someone to review code ? | 16:30 |
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| giucam | that depends on which code it is | 16:36 |
| daitheflu | well I had some issues with a pure QML/JS app that I want to make. SK_work + some others gave me the advice to code my model in C++ | 16:39 |
| daitheflu | I don't know C++, so basically, this is my first C++ code | 16:40 |
| lukdirtwalker | daitheflu: do you have it on github? | 16:40 |
| daitheflu | I have a class that inherits from QAbstractListModel, another one for the list items, another one that queries JSON data and the last one does things with a SQLite DB | 16:41 |
| daitheflu | lukdirtwalker: it's all there : https://github.com/Frzk/StrasPark/tree/cpp-models/src | 16:41 |
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| daitheflu | I'd like all that stuff to be correct before I go on :) | 16:43 |
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| dpurgin | daitheflu, if you want to use a DB table or query as a model, you may use QSqlTableModel or QSqlRelationalTableModel | 16:45 |
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| daitheflu | dpurgin: my model is a bit more complicated, I have some data that comes from the DB, and some other that it is queried from JSON | 17:10 |
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| daitheflu | thanks again for your help and hints, bye ! | 17:26 |
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| King_DuckZ | hello, today by chance I connected my jolla phone to an ubuntu pc and I noticed it shows up in the notifier widget, but on my gentoo pc it never did that | 20:32 |
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| King_DuckZ | any idea of what I need to install/configure to have the phone recognized by the system? | 20:32 |
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| cryorat | King_DuckZ, lsmod lsusb dmesg | 20:33 |
| cryorat | etc | 20:33 |
| cryorat | look it up :) | 20:33 |
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| King_DuckZ | cryorat: I already have those | 20:34 |
| cryorat | did you find anything useful | 20:34 |
| cryorat | ? | 20:34 |
| cryorat | difference when you connect your phone? | 20:34 |
| King_DuckZ | ah lol I see what you meant | 20:34 |
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| King_DuckZ | I didn't check no, I can do that, but if you have a link to a wiki or some list of dependencies, it would save me lots of time | 20:35 |
| tortoisedoc_ | hmhm | 20:35 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | whats the average memory footprint of an app on sailfishos? | 20:41 |
| tortoisedoc_ | (Assuming the app is just a very basic hello world app) | 20:42 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | checking with pmap | 20:57 |
| tortoisedoc_ | gives me 85 MB for a standard C app | 20:57 |
| tortoisedoc_ | does that sound realistic? | 20:57 |
| tortoisedoc_ | the most interesting part | 20:58 |
| tortoisedoc_ | is also that this standard c app | 20:58 |
| tortoisedoc_ | seems to load libQt5Core | 20:58 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | wow | 21:02 |
| tortoisedoc_ | ok | 21:02 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | qtcore is dropped ONLY after QT -= core gui is added to the pro file | 21:03 |
| tortoisedoc_ | which at that point results in a memory footprint of only 3 MB | 21:03 |
| tortoisedoc_ | (byte plus byte minus) | 21:03 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | I wonder if Qt pre-loads all modules | 21:09 |
| tortoisedoc_ | instead of jit-inserting them into ram? | 21:09 |
| tortoisedoc_ | hmhm | 21:10 |
| * tortoisedoc_ wonders if he should head over to qt | 21:10 | |
| r0kk3rz | tortoisedoc it will load whatever the config item tells it to | 21:10 |
| r0kk3rz | which is usually core | 21:10 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | r0kk3rz : which config file? | 21:13 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | *item as well :P | 21:14 |
| tortoisedoc_ | ah you mean config from .pro file | 21:14 |
| tortoisedoc_ | but that's the point here | 21:14 |
| tortoisedoc_ | i created a plain c project | 21:14 |
| tortoisedoc_ | and still qt core and gui are loaded | 21:15 |
| tortoisedoc_ | or better pre-loaded | 21:15 |
| tortoisedoc_ | (unless I remove them explicitly with QT -= core gui) | 21:15 |
| tortoisedoc_ | which itself is ok | 21:15 |
| tortoisedoc_ | you just need to know about this | 21:15 |
| tortoisedoc_ | but then if you apply this same pre-load pattern to all qt libraries | 21:15 |
| tortoisedoc_ | it basically means qt pre-loads all libraries the app is linked against | 21:16 |
| tortoisedoc_ | which on low memory devices is kind of a waste.. | 21:17 |
| M4rtinK | tortoisedoc_: aren't those shared with all others ? | 21:17 |
| tortoisedoc_ | well | 21:17 |
| tortoisedoc_ | M4rtinK | 21:18 |
| tortoisedoc_ | M4rtinK : Its a good point | 21:18 |
| M4rtinK | tortoisedoc_: also don't you need to run it with a booster enabled launcher booster to do that ? | 21:18 |
| tortoisedoc_ | apparently not | 21:18 |
| M4rtinK | (scratch one booster) | 21:18 |
| M4rtinK | well it all goes through Lipstick | 21:18 |
| tortoisedoc_ | a simple non-qt app compiled in qtcreator loads qtcore (probably due to bug in qtcreator) | 21:18 |
| M4rtinK | or you could hook it even somewhere lower | 21:19 |
| tortoisedoc_ | nono | 21:19 |
| tortoisedoc_ | this is executable runtime mething | 21:19 |
| tortoisedoc_ | *methinks as well | 21:19 |
| tortoisedoc_ | if you explicitly remove qtcore and qtgui | 21:19 |
| tortoisedoc_ | the result will not use more than 3 mb of ram | 21:19 |
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| r0kk3rz | tortoisedoc the 'config' line in the pro file | 21:24 |
| r0kk3rz | it might say sailfishapp | 21:24 |
| r0kk3rz | what that does is load a file | 21:25 |
| tortoisedoc_ | r0kk3rz : i tested with non-sailfish, non-qt app | 21:25 |
| r0kk3rz | which contains things like telling it to add qtcore and other things | 21:25 |
| tortoisedoc_ | file / new project / non-qt-project | 21:25 |
| r0kk3rz | what does it say in config? | 21:25 |
| tortoisedoc_ | http://pastebin.com/Vc5RP4Gy | 21:26 |
| tortoisedoc_ | this is the .pro for the "correct" file | 21:27 |
| tortoisedoc_ | (ie stripped of all qt stuff) | 21:27 |
| tortoisedoc_ | also | 21:27 |
| tortoisedoc_ | M4rtinK, thinking of it, pmap might actually include virtual memory into the memory footprint | 21:27 |
| tortoisedoc_ | (which would mean shared libraries would count as double) | 21:27 |
| tortoisedoc_ | (for pmap) | 21:28 |
| r0kk3rz | you shouldnt need - gui | 21:28 |
| r0kk3rz | as its already removed in console config | 21:28 |
| tortoisedoc_ | r0kk3rz : yes I know :P | 21:28 |
| r0kk3rz | but core is included | 21:28 |
| tortoisedoc_ | it is just a test app to check memory foot print | 21:28 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 21:28 |
| r0kk3rz | as in, that line does nothing | 21:29 |
| tortoisedoc_ | you mean the QT -= core and gui | 21:29 |
| tortoisedoc_ | = | 21:29 |
| tortoisedoc_ | ? | 21:29 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 21:29 |
| tortoisedoc_ | ok ill test | 21:29 |
| r0kk3rz | you need -core, but not -gui | 21:30 |
| tortoisedoc_ | r0kk3rz : correct | 21:33 |
| tortoisedoc_ | how does the fact that I link in core | 21:33 |
| tortoisedoc_ | bloat the memory consumption up to 80 MB? | 21:34 |
| r0kk3rz | because it will load a boatload of qt stuff, and the event loop .etc | 21:35 |
| r0kk3rz | qt is also a runtime | 21:35 |
| tortoisedoc_ | the point is | 21:37 |
| tortoisedoc_ | why does it do this even if its not used | 21:37 |
| r0kk3rz | because its told to | 21:38 |
| r0kk3rz | SailfishOS\mersdk\targets\SailfishOS-armv7hl\usr\share\qt5\mkspecs\features\console.prf << this is what the CONFIG += console loads | 21:38 |
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| r0kk3rz | which includes core | 21:39 |
| r0kk3rz | if you're not using core, then you obviously shouldnt be linking it in | 21:39 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | its not about using or not using core | 21:40 |
| tortoisedoc_ | its about the fact that a whole bunch of stuff is loaded by default | 21:41 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | independently from the fact that it will be used or not | 21:41 |
| tortoisedoc_ | i mean | 21:41 |
| tortoisedoc_ | ofc qt crt needs to know what to load if you tell it "use core" via QT += core | 21:41 |
| tortoisedoc_ | (which comes from .prf) | 21:41 |
| tortoisedoc_ | but at runtime | 21:41 |
| tortoisedoc_ | it should load only the strictly necessary modules | 21:42 |
| tortoisedoc_ | in a smart ways | 21:42 |
| tortoisedoc_ | and not in a pre-caching way (at least not on memory -limited devices) | 21:42 |
| r0kk3rz | so have a whole part of the MOC simply to remove unneeded includes? | 21:42 |
| tortoisedoc_ | im talking about runtime not compile time :) | 21:43 |
| r0kk3rz | how do you know it doesnt? | 21:44 |
| tortoisedoc_ | i just did a test app | 21:44 |
| tortoisedoc_ | pure c | 21:44 |
| tortoisedoc_ | no qt code | 21:44 |
| tortoisedoc_ | one main | 21:44 |
| tortoisedoc_ | printf | 21:44 |
| tortoisedoc_ | and sleep | 21:44 |
| tortoisedoc_ | in version without the QT -= core | 21:45 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah but you cant do runtime voodoo without core | 21:45 |
| tortoisedoc_ | pmap -x <pid> gives 80 MB | 21:45 |
| r0kk3rz | well, no more than straight C | 21:45 |
| tortoisedoc_ | in version with the QT -= core | 21:45 |
| tortoisedoc_ | it gives about 3 MB | 21:45 |
| r0kk3rz | core is a bad example is what im saying | 21:45 |
| tortoisedoc_ | agreed | 21:45 |
| tortoisedoc_ | but core is not only a bad sample | 21:45 |
| tortoisedoc_ | its badly engineered if it eats 80 MB :P | 21:45 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | i mean | 21:46 |
| tortoisedoc_ | a dyn library | 21:46 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | to eat about 80 MB must have alot of stuff in it | 21:46 |
| tortoisedoc_ | or am i wrong | 21:46 |
| r0kk3rz | http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtcore-index.html | 21:48 |
| r0kk3rz | is whats in it | 21:48 |
| r0kk3rz | and the fact that you're using qmake, generally means you want qtcore | 21:48 |
| r0kk3rz | could it be engineered to be more lightweight? probably | 21:49 |
| tortoisedoc_ | i'd almost expose myself and risk to say yes it shoud | 21:51 |
| tortoisedoc_ | should :P | 21:51 |
| r0kk3rz | in which case i suggest you go talk to the qt guys about it | 21:52 |
| tortoisedoc_ | yes I was pondering about it | 21:52 |
| r0kk3rz | the source for it should be somewhere | 21:52 |
| tortoisedoc_ | interesting | 21:55 |
| tortoisedoc_ | removing the QT -= core | 21:55 |
| tortoisedoc_ | does not link the test app back with qtore | 21:55 |
| tortoisedoc_ | does not link the test app back with qtcore | 21:55 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | Jonni : how can I know the real memory consumption of a process | 22:00 |
| tortoisedoc_ | (i.e. without shared libraries) | 22:01 |
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| SaberAltria | Generally, swipe from left to right means go backward and pop that page | 23:42 |
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