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| Yaniel | soo anyone around who could help me build stuff on the mer vm with the automake toolchain? | 09:57 |
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| FloR707 | I need help again =( I would like to delete an item from a list view and from a DB how do I do that? remorseAction("Deleting", function() { view.model.remove(index) }) is only deleting the list view item. How do I add a function for deleting something in my DB? | 13:52 |
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| marxistvegan | hey folks does anyone have instructions on using OpenVPN on sailfish? | 13:55 |
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| erikn42 | Hey, I just got my Jolla yesterday and I'm really loving it! Now I want to learn more about SailfishOS programming, I don't have much experience in programming, but I am keen to learn. Can you point me to some good Jolla related tutorials? | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | sailfishos.org is a good start, some tutorials there at leat | 14:13 |
| erikn42 | Why do I need a different SDK for U9 programming? | 14:14 |
| Tegu | because update 9 is not released yet except for those who want to opt-in | 14:15 |
| Tegu | I'd guess that is the reason | 14:15 |
| r0kk3rz | different base libraries is the main reason | 14:16 |
| coderus | FloR707: what a problem? | 14:18 |
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| Yaniel | erikn42: start by learning C++ and javascript | 14:18 |
| marxistvegan | Tegu: update9 is not realeased? i thought it was, but I was not staying up on the development | 14:18 |
| Yaniel | marxistvegan: it is an opt-in release | 14:18 |
| FloR707 | I would like to trigger a function after the remorse event to delete a row in my DB? | 14:19 |
| Yaniel | so technically it is released but nobody will get it unless they explicitly opt in | 14:19 |
| erikn42 | I already know some javascript | 14:19 |
| erikn42 | well and I had some c++ at school several years ago | 14:19 |
| r0kk3rz | erikn42: you can get pretty far with QML and JS | 14:19 |
| coderus | FloR707: what a problem to add some function before/after model remove to delete it from db? | 14:19 |
| r0kk3rz | erikn42: and get your head around qt signals and slots | 14:20 |
| FloR707 | remorseAction("Deleting", function() { view.model.remove(index) }) how do I add my function to this? | 14:20 |
| erikn42 | I have definitely now clue at all about qt | 14:20 |
| coderus | FloR707: remorseAction("Deleting", function() { view.model.remove(index) }) it's not some special magic line | 14:21 |
| r0kk3rz | erikn42: qt is fairly well documented | 14:21 |
| FloR707 | It is the line that deletes the item from the list view if I do not cancel. This function is to place into the remove function right? | 14:21 |
| r0kk3rz | the component gallery app in the sdk is a good place to look through | 14:21 |
| r0kk3rz | shows you what items you can use and how they work | 14:22 |
| erikn42 | So I cant develop a Sailfish OS app with the U9 SDK that will run on my U8 phone? | 14:22 |
| coderus | FloR707: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9299617/ | 14:22 |
| FloR707 | If I add my function to the remove function after the remorse action it is always executed also if I cancel remorse | 14:22 |
| TemeV | erikn42: I'd recommend opting in for U9 and developing with U9 SDK | 14:23 |
| FloR707 | I have tried that. | 14:23 |
| coderus | erikn42: u8 based on qt5.1 u9 based on qt5.2 | 14:23 |
| coderus | erikn42: not everything is api-compatible | 14:23 |
| coderus | FloR707: so, what problems? | 14:23 |
| erikn42 | ok | 14:23 |
| r0kk3rz | erikn42: it really depends on what you want to do, for basic QML silica stuff then it doesnt matter | 14:24 |
| r0kk3rz | but if you want to start using qt APIs then, use u9 | 14:24 |
| coderus | erikn42: in most cases app build with u8 will work on both u8 and u9 | 14:24 |
| FloR707 | TypeError: Property 'remove' of object [object Object] is not a function | 14:24 |
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| marxistvegan | Yaniel: is that like beta release? | 14:24 |
| coderus | FloR707: what is your model? | 14:24 |
| FloR707 | An array of text. | 14:25 |
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| FloR707 | If I take our my function it works | 14:26 |
| FloR707 | But the entry is not deleted in the DB | 14:26 |
| FloR707 | My function is Storage.deleteProfile(uid); and uid comes from the model. | 14:28 |
| Yaniel | marxistvegan: sort of | 14:28 |
| FloR707 | coderus: If I take your first code suggestion, the error is in line 3 | 14:31 |
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| marxistvegan | Yaniel: alpha? ;) | 14:35 |
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| r0kk3rz | marxistvegan: more beta than alpha | 14:36 |
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| TemeV | marxistvegan: it is not named "beta" but it kind of is beta | 14:37 |
| r0kk3rz | but more of a 'things are still broken but its dragged on for too long so here it is' release | 14:37 |
| marxistvegan | ahhh ok I get it | 14:37 |
| r0kk3rz | then we found a whole bunch of other broken stuff on release, which they then hotfixed | 14:38 |
| TemeV | But it is not beta in the sense of "this is not tested, but it might work" it's more like "it works, except for these couple of known issues" | 14:38 |
| r0kk3rz | main issue remaining is the memory problems, which will be improved in u10 | 14:39 |
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| marxistvegan | i know this has probably been asked but what can we do besides tjc to push the UI to be released unders some free software license? | 14:42 |
| coderus | FloR707: http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_obj_array.asp | 14:42 |
| TemeV | marxistvegan: you can buy the company and publish it :) | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | or buy a cold beer and buy more jollas so we don't have to worry about protecting ourselves like that.. | 14:43 |
| marxistvegan | TemeV: hmmm that seems a bit challenging | 14:43 |
| marxistvegan | Stskeeps: buying a jolla is not an easy task in the US, but that is why i have a nexus4 running sailfish | 14:44 |
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| r0kk3rz | marxistvegan: buy a tablet then | 14:45 |
| marxistvegan | r0kk3rz: I did not know they had a tablet to buy | 14:46 |
| TemeV | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet#activity | 14:46 |
| r0kk3rz | well, not yet they dont, but they do have an indiegogo campaign to pledge to | 14:46 |
| marxistvegan | ahh i see | 14:46 |
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| Stskeeps | open source is always easier when you have a lot of money from ads, search engine referrals, or a rich founder.. | 14:47 |
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| marxistvegan | Stskeeps: well depends on the tactic really, but there are permissive licenses too | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | marxistvegan: there's places in this world where GPL doesn't matter, or legal conditions.. | 14:49 |
| marxistvegan | oh i know | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | not to mention the 'you're all open source, this means we can take it all and put you out of business'.. | 14:50 |
| r0kk3rz | marxistvegan: it also adds further risk to Jolla as a business, and I think they're taking on enough risk as it is | 14:50 |
| marxistvegan | just having been a n900 user and loving the direction | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, when not even tizen with hordes of people and big investment can pull it off, or other vendors, it's very easy to get run over | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | when there's a real desire for something non-android | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | can't pull it off, that is | 14:50 |
| marxistvegan | Stskeeps: yeah though I doubt intel was as devoted | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | http://monster.tspre.org/~carsten/oss-vs-nonoss.png | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | and what's oss is the hard part, the middleware | 14:51 |
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| Stskeeps | qml any idiot can do :) | 14:52 |
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| locusf | I wonder about the lipstick-qt5-l10n | 14:54 |
| locusf | I assume those are translations for the lipstick library? | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | er.. good question | 14:55 |
| Acce | hmm.. why are the non-oss package names longer on the average, I wonder? At least it looks so | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | usually prefixed with jolla- or sailfishos- | 14:58 |
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| Acce | well that explains | 15:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | because they have descriptive names | 15:07 |
| r0kk3rz | rather than the usual quirky names like lipstick, or smack, or whatever | 15:07 |
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| FloR707 | coderus: I got it. I had to switch line three and four. With deleting the model my DB rowid was gone as well. | 15:19 |
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| coderus | FloR707: good :) | 15:26 |
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| TemeV | Can I somehow set absolute path for qml file in view->setSource() ? | 15:53 |
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| TemeV | using QUrl seems to do the trick. Asking here helps again :) | 15:57 |
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| coderus | TemeV: why absolute? | 16:03 |
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| Yaniel | Stskeeps: out of curiosity, is there any OSS package that was completely created by jolla yet? | 16:35 |
| Stskeeps | several | 16:36 |
| Yaniel | like? | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | a -lot- of the nemo* packages | 16:36 |
| Yaniel | I see | 16:36 |
| tbr | the caldav package | 16:36 |
| tbr | specifically buteo something something caldav | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | libhybris originated from me as well | 16:36 |
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| Yaniel | could someone help me a bit building some stuff manually on the mer vm? | 16:49 |
| Yaniel | manually as in via cli | 16:49 |
| Yaniel | and without qt | 16:49 |
| Yaniel | (mostly because I don't really want to invent qt project files for libsodium etc) | 16:49 |
| tbr | it's not that hard | 16:50 |
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| Yaniel | I just have no idea how to tell it to use the armv7hl build env | 16:51 |
| tbr | mb build -t SailfishOS-armv7hl ./something.spec | 16:52 |
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| Yaniel | hmm I just have autoconf files | 16:53 |
| Yaniel | so ./configure && make | 16:53 |
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| randomActOfDevel | oh man, I don't get the sdk working on my home computer. Laptop went fine, but on the desktop it fails to connect to the vm :( | 16:54 |
| tbr | Yaniel: sb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl | 16:54 |
| tbr | that should get you a shell inside the SB2 | 16:54 |
| Acce | randomActOfDevel: any error messages? | 16:54 |
| randomActOfDevel | just 'fails to connect to mer sdk' | 16:55 |
| r0kk3rz | randomActOfDevel: what os? | 16:55 |
| randomActOfDevel | arch linux inside a vm | 16:55 |
| randomActOfDevel | (main os is windows, but I prefer linux for development) | 16:56 |
| coderus | randomActOfDevel: need more virtualization! | 16:56 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah throw in a couple of more layers | 16:57 |
| randomActOfDevel | lol | 16:57 |
| coderus | randomActOfDevel: mer build engine is already inside linux virtual image | 16:58 |
| r0kk3rz | and qt creator is qt creator no matter what os you use | 16:58 |
| randomActOfDevel | coderus: is that a problem? | 16:59 |
| coderus | randomActOfDevel: no probels | 16:59 |
| coderus | do what you want :) | 16:59 |
| coderus | just a random people from channel :) | 16:59 |
| randomActOfDevel | r0kk3rz: Well, it's not only qt creator, but also other code related to this project | 17:00 |
| randomActOfDevel | and I don't use qtcreator for c | 17:00 |
| r0kk3rz | fair enough | 17:00 |
| r0kk3rz | never tried running the sdk on arch, no so idea im afraid | 17:00 |
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| Yaniel | works fine for me | 17:01 |
| r0kk3rz | thought it might be the path issue on windows8 | 17:01 |
| tbr | randomActOfDevel: you'll most likely need to fix some things with virtualbox if you want to run it that way | 17:02 |
| tbr | randomActOfDevel: a) see if you can enable nested virtualization b) enable the build VM to be visible c) start it manually from the vbox interface | 17:02 |
| randomActOfDevel | my laptop's an arch system. haven't had any problems running it there, so I just kinda hoped that it could workout with both layers of virtualization | 17:02 |
| coderus | just run win7/8 in virtualbox inside your arch | 17:02 |
| coderus | and install qtc in here | 17:03 |
| coderus | it will work that way 100% | 17:03 |
| lbt | randomActOfDevel: https://katastrophos.net/andre/blog/2014/03/29/running-sailfishos-build-engine-outside-virtualbox-vm/ | 17:03 |
| tbr | or that | 17:03 |
| randomActOfDevel | tbr: will try that, thank you! | 17:03 |
| tbr | there are n+1 ways to handle this | 17:03 |
| randomActOfDevel | lbt: tbr: or I'm gonna try that solution :p | 17:04 |
| randomActOfDevel | thanks a lot guys! | 17:04 |
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| lbt | improving that solution would be cool | 17:04 |
| coderus | lbt: just do it :) | 17:05 |
| lbt | maybe an xmas project | 17:05 |
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| coderus | btw, where is libMer.so sources? | 17:07 |
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| juhe | Greetings. Did anybody managed to run latest sdk in qemu instead of virtual box? I've sort-of managed to do it in the past with some alpha sdk, but then cooperation with qt designer was not working (I'd probably need to modify some qt creator configuration files... And that was the point I gave up). | 17:10 |
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| tbr | juhe: shouldn't be too hard. I'd probably not use plain qemu but libvirt + virt-manager. Open the vm config either in an text editor or in vbox UI and go through things one by one. | 17:15 |
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| juhe | tbr: Thanks, will give it a go with newest opt-in sdk and report back my success/failure. | 17:20 |
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| sandsmark | is it me, or has together.j.c gotten kind of flooded? | 21:45 |
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| sandsmark | beidl: I needed to add back DEFINES += QWEBDAVITEM_EXTENDED_PROPERTIES to get the stuff to build, btw | 22:18 |
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| nimmersatt | well what do you think about the sdhc-microsoft debate? | 22:28 |
| nimmersatt | there is quite some discussion on reddit | 22:28 |
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| M4rtinK | nimmersatt: it spilled over to reddit from Together ? | 22:33 |
| M4rtinK | nimmersatt: or na unrelated discussion ? | 22:33 |
| nimmersatt | there were quite many people talking about it on /r/linux | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2nov0n/tell_jolla_not_to_use_crowdfunded_money_to_pay/ | 22:34 |
| M4rtinK | that sure escalated quickly | 22:34 |
| nimmersatt | yea this | 22:35 |
| sandsmark | I don't think it would've gotten any traction if it wasn't posted on reddit, tbh. | 22:37 |
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| ln- | i wonder how many people think getting a patent license for exaft would be the only patent license needed in a product such as a tablet or phone. | 22:42 |
| ln- | *exfat | 22:42 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. there's so much more | 22:43 |
| Lipevakala_ | I have seen some comments 3.5g does nlt cot | 22:45 |
| Stskeeps | nlt cot? | 22:45 |
| Lipevakala_ | *cost mote becuse its in that chip... | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | the soc certainly doesn't have 3.5g by standard | 22:47 |
| Stskeeps | it external if so | 22:47 |
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| Lipevakala_ | yep, sorry typos this bus is racing....some | 22:50 |
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| Nicd- | "SDXC cards are over 32 GB (up to 2TB I think, but those don't exist just yet) and MUST be formatted exFAT. Supporting any other format in a slot claimed as an SD slot violates the SD trademark licensing agreement" | 23:05 |
| Nicd- | doesn't that kind of make the whole discussion pointless? | 23:05 |
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| sandsmark | Nicd-: was is anything but pointless in the first place? | 23:09 |
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| M4rtinK | Nicd-: you you just don't call it that and save a bunch of $/€ ? :) | 23:13 |
| Nicd- | M4rtinK: but then you can't tell anyone it's an SD slot | 23:15 |
| Nicd- | so how will people know? | 23:15 |
| Nicd- | you can't just say "memory card slot" | 23:15 |
| M4rtinK | "*****SDXC***** cards are over 32 GB (up to 2TB I think, but those don't exist just yet) and MUST be formatted exFAT." | 23:15 |
| M4rtinK | emphasis added | 23:15 |
| M4rtinK | I think you can still call it SD | 23:16 |
| M4rtinK | just not SDXC IMHO | 23:16 |
| Nicd- | no, it seems you cannot call it SD at all | 23:17 |
| kimmoli | hmm, why it is upto 128GB? sandisk has released 512GB in september (for only $799.99) | 23:20 |
| beidl | sandsmark: nice PR :) | 23:20 |
| Nicd- | kimmoli: micro? | 23:21 |
| sandsmark | I wanted to do more, but I'm pretty hungover :p | 23:21 |
| kimmoli | ah no | 23:21 |
| beidl | sandsmark: don't worry, more work is on its way. implementing the downloadmanager right now, | 23:21 |
| sandsmark | ah, cool | 23:22 |
| sandsmark | beidl: for the automated uploader I'm thinking it needs to be a daemon | 23:22 |
| beidl | sandsmark: yup, either that or having to manually start the process (and not killing it) | 23:22 |
| sandsmark | yeah | 23:22 |
| beidl | but that won't get us through harbour I'm sure | 23:23 |
| sandsmark | not sure | 23:23 |
| sandsmark | I'm not sure what the harbour policy is on persistant applications? | 23:23 |
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| beidl | sandsmark: also, do you have any idea on how to keep the password persistently saved, non-plaintext | 23:28 |
| sandsmark | I don't think that's possible | 23:28 |
| sandsmark | you can obfuscate it, though | 23:28 |
| beidl | that's what I figured | 23:28 |
| * beidl wishes for a keychain in the future | 23:29 | |
| sandsmark | yeah | 23:29 |
| sandsmark | something like ksecretservice, with synchronization and stuff | 23:29 |
| sandsmark | beidl: I'd just store it in plaintext now (or just base64 encode it), and then revisit it later | 23:34 |
| beidl | sandsmark: yeah, even if we can't do anything about it I'd rather have it base64 encoded | 23:35 |
| sandsmark | yup | 23:35 |
| beidl | just came up with a simple, keychain-like solution to such problems. | 23:36 |
| sandsmark | getting qtkeychain into mer/nemo/sailfish would probably be the best, though | 23:36 |
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| beidl | perfect, that would be my next project then :) | 23:37 |
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| beidl | would still need an actual keychain backend though, AFAIK qtkeychain is just a binding lib | 23:38 |
| sandsmark | yup | 23:38 |
| sandsmark | but it has a default backend iirc | 23:39 |
| beidl | readme states that it first tries gnome keychain, then kwallet. | 23:39 |
| sandsmark | hmm, maybe it doesn't have a default for people not using any of them | 23:39 |
| beidl | and from what I've seen with the owncloud desktop client, it would store base64 encoded | 23:40 |
| beidl | if none available | 23:40 |
| sandsmark | ah, ok | 23:40 |
| beidl | as soon as there's some sandboxing available there shouldn't be any concerns | 23:40 |
| sandsmark | true | 23:41 |
| sandsmark | there's little you can do in an app to securely store the password before that anyways | 23:42 |
| beidl | exactly | 23:42 |
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| swift110_ | can google play be put onto jolla tablet | 23:46 |
| R-Z | i somehow doupt that | 23:49 |
| Yaniel | it can be put on the phone so why not | 23:49 |
| R-Z | http://www.onyxbits.de/raccoon might still help you | 23:49 |
| R-Z | ahh awesome, i dont own a jolla device or anything, im just an android wizard and relatively interested in sailfish | 23:50 |
| swift110_ | hmm | 23:53 |
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