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| tortoisedoc | damn damn | 08:34 |
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| tortoisedoc | two days := | 08:34 |
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| lainwir3d | hi | 08:44 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | good morning | 09:18 |
| dr_gogeta86 | kimmoli, check twitter tnx alot | 09:18 |
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| nazanin | tortoisedoc: hey | 09:21 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: about your questions for symlink, placing a .desktop file or symlink in /.config/autostart/ has no effect because lipstick does not support such feature atm. In the future we might introduce some system wide config option in Settings which would allow a user to autostart apps, but no ETA on that now | 09:23 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: and if you wanna consider files in /etc/xdg/autostart, those are old files which should not be there and systemd user-session starts tracker | 09:24 |
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| SK_work | nazanin: what about allowing systemd started / controlled userspace daemons ? | 09:29 |
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| kontio | SK_work: that is not very likely to happen, start-up is already very delicate and can easily mess up things | 09:31 |
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| SK_work | kontio: ha ? | 09:32 |
| SK_work | that's too bad :( | 09:32 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi SK_work | 09:34 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i see your tweet | 09:34 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is safe to use patch manager on uittika | 09:34 |
| SK_work | dr_gogeta86: safe | 09:36 |
| SK_work | advanced patches don't work yet | 09:36 |
| SK_work | working on it | 09:36 |
| dr_gogeta86 | worth it ? | 09:36 |
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| tortoisedoc | nazanin : thanks | 09:54 |
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| nazanin | tortoisedoc: no prob :) | 09:55 |
| tortoisedoc | nazanin : how about more generic file / sym links from any user-writable folder? | 09:55 |
| tortoisedoc | erm | 09:55 |
| tortoisedoc | nazanin : in general, is it legal for harbour qa to place symlinks in user-writable folders? | 09:56 |
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| Juuba | http://matasano.com/research/eko2014_jolla.pdf | 10:07 |
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| kontio | tortoisedoc: Files and folders may be freely created in the the Documents, Downloads, Music, Videos and Pictures folders, but they must not begin with a "." ... I count symlinks as files | 10:10 |
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| kontio | that is during runtime... | 10:14 |
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| stephg | morningles | 10:14 |
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| Tegu | Juuba: interesting.. I didn't understand half of it but whatever :D | 10:36 |
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| tortoisedoc | <kontio> SK_work: that is not very likely to happen, start-up is already very delicate and can easily mess up things <- so much for reliability of systemd? | 10:50 |
| kontio | tortoisedoc: I would not blame that on systemd | 10:51 |
| tortoisedoc | kontio : ok | 10:51 |
| tortoisedoc | so this leaves .autostart/desktop as a feature | 10:52 |
| tortoisedoc | makes sense | 10:52 |
| tortoisedoc | but might take a while to be available | 10:52 |
| tortoisedoc | :( | 10:52 |
| tortoisedoc | erm | 10:52 |
| tortoisedoc | .config/autostart, that is | 10:52 |
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| tortoisedoc | oh well | 10:56 |
| tortoisedoc | I guess its a separate rpm for openrepos then | 10:56 |
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| Juuba | Tegu: same here :) | 11:24 |
| Juuba | kinda got the impression that things are pretty well covered | 11:24 |
| Juuba | but... | 11:24 |
| Juuba | something. | 11:24 |
| Juuba | :D | 11:24 |
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| tortoisedoc | Juuba : thanks for that link, very intresting! | 11:40 |
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| Juuba | np, link was from Jolla-subreddit :D | 13:16 |
| Juuba | go upvote it if you're in to that sh*t https://www.reddit.com/r/Jolla/comments/2meq1l/matasano_security_exploring_the_jolla_phone_pdf/ | 13:16 |
| Juuba | good "summa summarum" | 13:17 |
| Juuba | SailfishOS lacks something like SELinux, where a program can be restricted (a topic has Jolla on their roadmap). They're criticize that Android apps are running as root in the Android VM. They poked arround the I2C, found nothing but want to look again. They mentioned positive that on the networkside only DHCP is running, so that an attack is very limited. They gave a recommendation to enable the device lock on your Jolla. Overall SailfishOS is not ... | 13:17 |
| Juuba | ... bullet prove, but in default mode SailfishOS is quite safe. But you should watch out what apps (native or Android) you are installing, that is the biggest threat right now. | 13:17 |
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| SK_work | Juuba: don't know if SELinux is better or worse | 13:29 |
| SK_work | (worse = because it is a PITA) | 13:29 |
| SK_work | but some sandboxing is welcomed, indeed | 13:29 |
| Juuba | i don't know anything, just posted what was in reddit | 13:29 |
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| entil | a part of me can't help but think that for a new phone security isn't as important as something that has gazillions of users | 13:36 |
| entil | it's real smart of jolla to have things related to it on their roadmap | 13:36 |
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| flux | just port AEGIS to Jolla | 13:37 |
| SK_work | flux: D: | 13:37 |
| flux | everyone will be happy with a previously used, proven solution | 13:37 |
| SK_work | and aegis helps nothing :D | 13:37 |
| flux | helps nothing? | 13:37 |
| SK_work | nothing prevent an AEGIS enabled app to send your contacts to remote server in china :) | 13:37 |
| flux | well, it can stop it from getting the contacts in the first place ;) | 13:38 |
| SK_work | flux: well, a well-written manifest, and you got them | 13:38 |
| SK_work | at least on harmattan :) | 13:38 |
| flux | I think AEGIS is actually pretty nice, but it lacked documentation and the fact that even developers were forced to use it annoyed folks a lot | 13:38 |
| flux | sk_work, sure, so it needs a step where it shows the manifest, like in android | 13:39 |
| flux | and a way to restrict the things given to an app | 13:39 |
| flux | but in principle I think it should be much more flexible than the android approach, no? | 13:39 |
| SK_work | flux: dunnno | 13:39 |
| SK_work | just know that aegis was abd | 13:39 |
| flux | you could (in principle) even just add new packages with new priviledges and then other apps would know about them | 13:39 |
| flux | whereas with Android you're limited to the priviledges dished out by Google, right? | 13:40 |
| SK_work | flux: and see, inception shows that it was not even useful :( | 13:40 |
| flux | sk_work, is your point that neither would then be SE Linux, AppArmor, etc be even useful? that it's impossible to lock down a Linux device? or that Aegis in particular cannot do those things? | 13:41 |
| flux | inception might've had more trouble working if Nokia hadn't drop N9 development :) | 13:42 |
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| SK_work | SE is good iirc | 13:43 |
| SK_work | flux: well, on SFOS you have root, so you can screw everything nevertheless :) | 13:44 |
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| tortoisedoc | aegis | 14:12 |
| * tortoisedoc shrugs | 14:12 | |
| tortoisedoc | the documentation sucked | 14:12 |
| tortoisedoc | the use sucked | 14:12 |
| tortoisedoc | the Manifest sucked | 14:12 |
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| tortoisedoc | the idea was ok tho | 14:12 |
| tortoisedoc | it was the realization that was sh*t :D | 14:13 |
| tortoisedoc | (NOTE : personal opinion) | 14:13 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: that strangely matches opinions of most people :) | 14:13 |
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| tortoisedoc | :D | 14:14 |
| tortoisedoc | the only good think about aegis IMO were the secured folders | 14:14 |
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| tortoisedoc | which you could anyways circumwent with a custom kernel | 14:14 |
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| tortoisedoc | but at least you needed to install a new kernel | 14:14 |
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| coderus | aegis is was against malware, not agains users | 14:40 |
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| coderus | if user want he can disable/hack it with no problems | 14:40 |
| coderus | aegis permitting malware for average user | 14:41 |
| coderus | who not putting custom firmwares in device | 14:41 |
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| pfloyd_ | is there a cmd tool for import contacts per vcard like vcardconverter export contacts? | 14:56 |
| Bysmyyr_ | can you explain better? | 14:58 |
| sec | Think he wants a command line contact importer | 15:00 |
| pfloyd_ | with 'vcardconverter --export foobar.vcard' I can export all my contacts into a vcard called foobar.vcard. Now I would like to import them by a cmd tool. like: 'vcardconverter --import foobar.vcard'. | 15:00 |
| SK_work | pfloyd_: yes, vcardconverter | 15:01 |
| SK_work | iirc you merge all your contacts into one vcf | 15:01 |
| SK_work | and vcardconverted ALL.vcf | 15:01 |
| SK_work | vcardconverter | 15:01 |
| pfloyd_ | not the version I have installed. it can only export. there is another tool called contacts-tools which can only search AFAIK | 15:02 |
| pfloyd_ | but I haven't found one who is abel ti import | 15:02 |
| SK_work | pfloyd_: tried witout any arg ? | 15:03 |
| SK_work | export is an optional arg, I'm pretty sure that passing an vcf file import it | 15:03 |
| pfloyd_ | SK_work: oh thx, that works fine | 15:03 |
| SK_work | try ? | 15:03 |
| SK_work | :) | 15:03 |
| pfloyd_ | SK_work: thx again, that helps me a lot :) | 15:05 |
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| forgrimm | I have two QT Projects, a Desktop one and a Sailfish one. Both share a folder with javascript files in it. This folder is symlinked from both project folders. In the Sailfishproject it doesn't seem to work :o | 15:26 |
| forgrimm | [W] unknown:33 - file:///opt/sdk/SailChatSailfish/usr/share/SailChatSailfish/qml/pages/FirstPage.qml:33:1: Script file:///opt/sdk/SailChatSailfish/usr/share/SailChatSailfish/qml/logic/client.js unavailable | 15:26 |
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| forgrimm | file is in project file: qml/logic/client.js and is imported in QML page: import "../logic/client.js" as Client | 15:27 |
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| forgrimm | Did I forget something or does the project file not work with symlinked folders? | 15:30 |
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| SK_work | forgrimm: what do you mean symlink folders ? | 15:32 |
| kwork | hello, anyone has any idea, by any chance is the "something big" new hw revision of jolla ? | 15:32 |
| SK_work | can you ssh into your emulator | 15:32 |
| SK_work | kwork: => #JollaMobile :) | 15:33 |
| SK_work | kwork: but now, we can only speculate | 15:33 |
| kwork | SK_work: k ty | 15:33 |
| forgrimm | I used the linux ln -s for the folder | 15:33 |
| SK_work | forgrimm: can you paste (pastebin) how you did that ? | 15:34 |
| SK_work | is it in the pro file ? | 15:34 |
| SK_work | ile:///opt/sdk/SailChatSailfish/usr/share/SailChatSailfish/qml/logic/client.js this is weired | 15:34 |
| forgrimm | ln -s /home/flo/Projekte/SailChat/ClientLogic/ SailChatSailfish/qml/logic | 15:34 |
| SK_work | also, please paste where you import client.js | 15:34 |
| SK_work | forgrimm: is your project on github and opensource ? | 15:34 |
| SK_work | if not can you paste interesting bits (pro file, qml file providing import, ls -l command inside /opt/sdk/SailChatSailfish | 15:35 |
| SK_work | ) | 15:35 |
| forgrimm | not yet, it's more a hack project | 15:35 |
| forgrimm | yes sure | 15:35 |
| SK_work | forgrimm: it can be a hack project and be on github ? | 15:36 |
| SK_work | :) | 15:36 |
| forgrimm | it's not on github, because it's just a experiment yet | 15:37 |
| forgrimm | Maybe will be there later | 15:37 |
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| SK_work | forgrimm: :) | 15:40 |
| forgrimm | http://pastebin.com/9wV1R79F | 15:43 |
| forgrimm | as you see in the project file, I have another js file directly in the pages folder, if I use this instead (import "client.js" as Client) everything works. | 15:44 |
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| sledges | callrecorder new version! \o/ https://twitter.com/dpurgin/status/534365540152639488 | 15:47 |
| SK_work | sledges: \o/ | 15:48 |
| SK_work | forgrimm: hum ... | 15:48 |
| SK_work | how do you install your client.js ? | 15:48 |
| SK_work | weired, it should be installed in the correct location isn't it ? | 15:49 |
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| forgrimm | I'll look it up | 15:49 |
| pketolai | forgrimm: SK_work: My guess would be that the symlink points to something that is not available inside the sdk virtual machine | 15:49 |
| SK_work | pketolai: me too | 15:49 |
| SK_work | I think the symlink is not correlcty installed | 15:49 |
| SK_work | forgrimm: can you check if the files are correctly isntaleld? | 15:50 |
| coderus | me always build rpm, opt rsync sucks imho | 15:50 |
| forgrimm | Guess I have to read about git modules | 15:50 |
| forgrimm | coderus: is rpm build | 15:50 |
| pketolai | but I'm not an expert on the sdk, only had similar issues sometimes with other vbox shares :) | 15:52 |
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| forgrimm | okay... it can not work :o | 15:53 |
| forgrimm | http://pastebin.com/mZBHNR9a | 15:53 |
| forgrimm | We does the sdk copy the symlink file and does not follow it? | 15:53 |
| coderus | forgrimm: /opt/sdk/SailChatSailfish/usr/share/SailChatSailfish/qml/logic/client.js is rsync install path, not rpm | 15:56 |
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| forgrimm | coderus: So use of "Deploy as RPM package" could be the problem? | 15:58 |
| forgrimm | I use that+Debug | 15:58 |
| forgrimm | and I deploy directly on phone, not on VM | 15:58 |
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| SK_work | forgrimm: better not use symlink | 16:05 |
| SK_work | why complicate stuff ? | 16:05 |
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| SK_work | why don't you use a shared folder for both desktop and sailfish app ? | 16:05 |
| SK_work | a kind of core | 16:05 |
| SK_work | install the core in sailfishos at the correct path, and voila ! | 16:05 |
| forgrimm | Will use Git submodules | 16:07 |
| forgrimm | Good idea too | 16:07 |
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| coderus | forgrimm: path lokks like you used rsync, not RPM deploying | 16:26 |
| coderus | rpm can't have such paths | 16:26 |
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| coderus | Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/icon-m-back | 18:23 |
| coderus | what?! | 18:23 |
| SK_work | is there any icon-m-back ? | 18:24 |
| coderus | sure | 18:24 |
| coderus | I'm doing some bad thing: | 18:25 |
| coderus | http://paste.ubuntu.com/9059264 | 18:25 |
| SK_work | hum ? | 18:25 |
| SK_work | what are you trying to do ? | 18:26 |
| coderus | i need universal highlight image component :) | 18:26 |
| coderus | it theme image it will be highlighted using theme | 18:26 |
| coderus | if* | 18:27 |
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| coderus | if local image it will be highlighted with shader | 18:27 |
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| SK_work | haha | 18:27 |
| SK_work | looks nice | 18:27 |
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| SK_work | it's weired though | 18:28 |
| coderus | yeah seems i missed something | 18:28 |
| coderus | as its not working | 18:28 |
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| coderus | ha, it's not working because i set sourceSize :D | 18:55 |
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| sandsmark | coderus: what license is mitakuuluu under? | 22:03 |
| sandsmark | ah, it has a license file | 22:04 |
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| Morpog_PC | WTFPL | 22:10 |
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| stephg | ? | 22:11 |
| sandsmark | yeah | 22:11 |
| sandsmark | weird license, but apparently GPL compatible according to the FSF :p | 22:12 |
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| keithzg | Well, after all, integrating it with GPL code might be what the fuck I'd like to do ;) | 22:22 |
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| lbt | tbr: around? | 23:10 |
| sandsmark | keithzg: exactly :p | 23:14 |
| sandsmark | I'm thinking about just stealing the media capture stuff from mitakuuluu wholesale, because the qtmultimedia stuff is a royal PITA | 23:14 |
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