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| nimmersatt | hey friends. I wanted to ask about the sailfiah launcher for amdroid.. will it be available soon? | 01:11 |
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| jpeg | hello :) I was wondering, why does the sailfish sdk provide one VM (x86) containing two scratchboxes (x86 and arm) instead of providing two VMs (x86 and arm) from the beginning? this seems to really really slow down compilation when building for arm | 06:42 |
| jpeg | other than that I'm very happy about it as it's so easy to compile stuff, zypper works and all, sweet :) | 06:42 |
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| special | jpeg: well.. scratchbox is slightly smarter than an arm vm would be | 06:49 |
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| jpeg | problem is one of my compilation tools had an unsupported syscall (unsupported by qemu) | 06:50 |
| special | jpeg: the scratchbox is a qemu arm environment with selected tools replaced with x86 native versions | 06:50 |
| special | the compiler and such are actually x86 binaries cross-compiling to arm | 06:50 |
| special | but scripts are run in an arm environment | 06:50 |
| jpeg | yep. but how does that make it smarter? (i'm really wondering :) ) | 06:51 |
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| special | because an x86 compiler running on x86 will be much faster than an arm compiler being translated to x86 | 06:51 |
| jpeg | right | 06:51 |
| special | so your option would be to make your compilation tool not use that syscall, to make qemu support that syscall, or to build your tool for x86 and figure out how to expose it to the sb2 environment | 06:52 |
| special | that is the end of my knowledge | 06:52 |
| jpeg | yeah all I had to do was to build for x86 and use that tool. this works, that's how we compile for windows and such | 06:53 |
| jpeg | but i was just wondering | 06:53 |
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| jpeg | any idea when 1.0.9 will be released for jolla? (not sure yet if I want to take the risk with the test version ^^) | 06:55 |
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| zoldyck | jpeg: they said in November | 07:00 |
| jpeg | cool | 07:01 |
| jpeg | special: thanks btw :) | 07:01 |
| zoldyck | probably when all current most outstanding bugs are fixed | 07:01 |
| jpeg | and it's wayland 1.3? not more recent than that, right? | 07:01 |
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| special | jpeg: the wayland package is built from https://github.com/mer-packages/wayland | 07:04 |
| special | looks like none of its branches are newer than 1.3, so you can assume that it's not in progress | 07:04 |
| jpeg | yup | 07:06 |
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| stephg | ohai | 07:35 |
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| suy | Any idea what could have changed in the update9 to make gpodder not find any of the previous susbscriptions? | 07:47 |
| suy | A previous update broke several apps that weren't using settings properly, and in this case the config/data files are there, but I doubt is the case | 07:47 |
| stephg | suy you not out of btrfs space? | 07:49 |
| tadzik | that's not the case | 07:50 |
| suy | stephg: no, all partitions seem to have space | 07:50 |
| stephg | no, btrfs fi sh | 07:50 |
| tadzik | also, since the last update I often get "Unnamed application is not responding" popup | 07:50 |
| stephg | (probably not that but make sure the devid line isn't full) | 07:50 |
| suy | size 13.75GB used 12.75GB | 07:52 |
| stephg | k so not that then :) | 07:53 |
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| tadzik | update broke gpodder for everyone, I doubt we all ran out of space :) | 07:54 |
| stephg | ah, didn't know that tadzik | 07:55 |
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| suy | tadzik: now I see the issue reported... Thanks. | 07:56 |
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| coderus | where can i get pk-command-not-found for nemo/sailfish? | 08:47 |
| coderus | i see it in repo: https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/PackageKit/tree/master/PackageKit/contrib/command-not-found | 08:52 |
| coderus | but is it compiled with PackageKit? | 08:52 |
| coderus | i cant find it in packages :) | 08:52 |
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| coderus | sorry, stupid me, its different package: PackageKit-command-not-found | 08:56 |
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| coderus | great, now i have working bash-completion for pkcon, finally :D | 08:58 |
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| lainwir3d | hi | 10:49 |
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| Sail0r | sdk release? ^^ | 12:09 |
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| r0kk3rz | i dont think im going to bother upgrading the sdk just yet | 12:22 |
| r0kk3rz | i havent hit any sdk issues with uitukka | 12:23 |
| r0kk3rz | and it means I wont unknowingly break tahkalampi devices | 12:23 |
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| Armadillo | well I'm interested in the new "details item" component^^ | 12:28 |
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| r0kk3rz | would be nice to see an example of it, hopefully someone can post a screenshot | 12:33 |
| r0kk3rz | see how long it takes for update 10 to come out I suppose | 12:33 |
| Nicd- | new component? :o | 12:34 |
| Nicd- | where can I read about that? | 12:34 |
| Armadillo | it is in the opt-in tjc post | 12:35 |
| Armadillo | New detail item component available for detail and value label pair | 12:35 |
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| lbt | ah - sorted | 13:45 |
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| coderus | https://together.jolla.com/question/60940/sailfish-os-sdk-update-1410-released/ | 13:56 |
| Armadillo | yay | 13:56 |
| SK_work | be careful that it is an opt-in SDK update | 13:57 |
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| *** Jare changes topic to "http://www.sailfishos.org - Beta Qt5 SDK 1410 (U9 opt-in) and Alpha Qt5 SDK 1407 out now for linux/mac/win - MD5s: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/FileInformation_SDK_1410, https://sailfishos.org/wiki/FileInformation_SDK_1407 - https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Beta_Qt5_Known_Issues, https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Qt5_Known_Issues | For friendly Jolla mobile device community: #jollamobi" | 13:59 | |
| locusf | oh cool its beta now | 14:00 |
| r0kk3rz | oooo new qtcreator | 14:00 |
| Jare | yeh, we decided to push the beta button after moving to qtc 3 | 14:01 |
| coderus | http://repo.merproject.org/ is down? | 14:01 |
| sandsmark | but no new gcc :( | 14:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | i think im going to wait though | 14:03 |
| r0kk3rz | but with any luck that will fix the annoying mer sdk is not responding issue | 14:03 |
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| coderus | Jare: can we get just QtC + Plugins please? | 14:03 |
| coderus | Jare: i dont want to download these images again... | 14:03 |
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| Jare | coderus: the repo's here http://releases.sailfishos.org/sdk/repository-141021/ | 14:08 |
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| coderus | Jare: yeah, thanks! | 14:11 |
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| r0kk3rz | whats the likely timeframe on u10? novemberish? | 14:58 |
| tigeli | r0kk3rz: real soon now (tm) | 14:59 |
| r0kk3rz | haha | 15:00 |
| Jare | ish | 15:00 |
| Aard | r0kk3rz: it's quite unlikely we'll release it in october | 15:00 |
| tigeli | :D | 15:01 |
| ernesti | unlike | 15:01 |
| kontio | we still have almost a week :p | 15:01 |
| r0kk3rz | this is true | 15:02 |
| r0kk3rz | but i didnt think it would be this hot on the heels of uitukka | 15:02 |
| Aard | r0kk3rz: I'm just preparing RC1. which does not say that much about when it'll come out, though, just about feature completeness | 15:03 |
| r0kk3rz | well i hope the RC process goes a bit smoother this time | 15:03 |
| * Aard hopes so as well | 15:03 | |
| r0kk3rz | with less interuptions from exploits | 15:03 |
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| kontio | and ppl asking here when it comes, also delays it each time a week :) so stop asking... | 15:06 |
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| r0kk3rz | if that was true i dont think we would have update 9 yet | 15:08 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe mid next year sometime | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | stop finding ssl exploits and nobody gets hurt.. | 15:08 |
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| * tbr tries to think of a witty pulp fiction reference but fails. :-( | 15:11 | |
| r0kk3rz | exploit ssl again, i dare you, no i double dare you | 15:11 |
| r0kk3rz | bit lame, but whatever | 15:11 |
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| TemeV | oh, new sdk. I was just thinking if I'd dare to ask when it comes out, but started wondering if it will be delayed also :) | 15:53 |
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| kontio | for sure will delay the next one ;) | 16:00 |
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| pp_ | :-) | 16:26 |
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| TemeV | was there some way to automatically install required packages to the build vm? | 17:01 |
| TemeV | last time I insalled them manually from command line, but I recall hearing they could be added to .pro file so they are automatically installed | 17:02 |
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| ernesti | you could also do it through the ui | 17:04 |
| ernesti | in qtcreator | 17:05 |
| coderus | TemeV: BuildDepends ;) | 17:05 |
| coderus | TemeV: in yaml or spec | 17:05 |
| TemeV | isn't yaml generated from .pro file? | 17:06 |
| coderus | TemeV: no | 17:06 |
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| coderus | spec generated from your yaml | 17:07 |
| coderus | yaml created when you starting new project | 17:07 |
| TemeV | ah, ok | 17:07 |
| TemeV | seems to be working. Thanks coderus :) | 17:09 |
| coderus | :D | 17:12 |
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| sandsmark | hmm, qtc can't seem to connect to the emulator anymore | 17:33 |
| sandsmark | is there some trick to turn on networking in the emulator | 17:34 |
| sandsmark | ? | 17:34 |
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| sandsmark | or is there a simple way to reset it? | 17:39 |
| r0kk3rz | you can ssh into it | 17:39 |
| sandsmark | hmm, what address does it bind to? | 17:39 |
| sandsmark | I guess that's in the settings | 17:40 |
| r0kk3rz | 127.0.0.1 | 17:40 |
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| r0kk3rz | you need to use the allowed keys in the sdk directory to login | 17:40 |
| sandsmark | hmm, isn't the user/password nemo/nemo | 17:40 |
| sandsmark | ah, ok | 17:40 |
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| sandsmark | thanks! | 17:41 |
| sandsmark | hmm, I wonder why qtcreator doesn't think that the emulator is running | 17:42 |
| sandsmark | the "test" button in the settings works | 17:42 |
| sandsmark | ok, just clicking the start button again works | 17:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | i wonder if i have to install all my mersdk packages again | 17:49 |
| r0kk3rz | i guess so, since they replaced the vm image | 17:49 |
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| tbr | just throwing this in here as it went to the wrong channel (#sailfish) once again. Stskeeps or whomever this concerns. | 17:54 |
| coderus | r0kk3rz: what is your mersdk packages? build deps? | 17:54 |
| tbr | 15:51:43< jmlich> Hi, you probably know, there is a problem in DialogHeader. http://pastebin.com/g72KvZtv | 17:54 |
| r0kk3rz | coderus: yeah those ones | 17:54 |
| Nicd- | I have that same problem, tbr | 18:02 |
| Nicd- | but it went through harbour qa so it probably doesn't matter | 18:02 |
| sandsmark | is there any tricks to get the debugger to work? | 18:03 |
| sandsmark | I don't get a stack trace or anything when my app segfaults | 18:03 |
| SK_work | sandsmark: run gdb on device / emulator ? | 18:04 |
| SK_work | instead of running debug button on QtC | 18:04 |
| sandsmark | manually? | 18:04 |
| sandsmark | ok | 18:04 |
| SK_work | at least you will get something | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: -L is dead again? | 18:04 |
| SK_work | yep, better than nothing | 18:04 |
| tbr | Nicd-: tbh IDGAF, I just copy pasted from #sailfish, as the channel *again* doesn't redirect to #sailfishos. | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | +L | 18:04 |
| sandsmark | sure | 18:04 |
| sandsmark | just annoying :p | 18:04 |
| * Stskeeps puts freenode on fire | 18:04 | |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: is there a chanserv chansitter? | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | there is even | 18:04 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Stskeeps | 18:05 | |
| Nicd- | tbr: btw, seeing your car around always makes me smile on my morning/evening commute :) | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: might work now | 18:06 |
| tbr | Nicd-: had to move it though. they instituted alternating parking restrictions. | 18:06 |
| Acce | they want you to give up | 18:06 |
| Acce | so nakkivene | 18:06 |
| Nicd- | NAKKIVENE DUU DU DU DU DUN DUN DUN DUNNNNN | 18:06 |
| sandsmark | baaah, now the stupid qt MVC classes | 18:07 |
| tbr | Nicd-: parked it next to Hermia5, but today got finally an parking spot nearby. Going to be in front of the new Hermia building across from Mikontalo | 18:07 |
| tbr | well parking spot from 1. november. so still a few days on hermiankatu | 18:07 |
| Nicd- | I'll enjoy looking at it while it lasts | 18:08 |
| SK_work | sandsmark: what's the problem about Qt's MVC ? | 18:08 |
| SK_work | except that they are pretty bloated | 18:08 |
| sandsmark | never works on the first try :D | 18:08 |
| Nicd- | tbr: what is the model exactly? | 18:08 |
| sandsmark | and pretty inelegant to work with, compared to the rest of the APIs | 18:08 |
| SK_work | sandsmark: well, in Sailfish, you just need to subclass QAbstractListModel | 18:09 |
| SK_work | that is already arther ok | 18:09 |
| SK_work | even if you need to write the damn boilerplate code all the time | 18:09 |
| sandsmark | SK_work: I know | 18:09 |
| sandsmark | but somehow the ui isn't updated when the model is updated | 18:09 |
| tbr | Nicd-: it's a Volvo C304, exact model is TgB 1314A | 18:10 |
| SK_work | sandsmark: show code | 18:10 |
| sandsmark | I call both beginInsertModel and emit dataChanged | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | meanwhile, http://boingboing.net/2014/10/25/photorealistic-bacon-scarf.html | 18:10 |
| SK_work | sandsmark: beginInsertRow ? | 18:10 |
| sandsmark | eh, yeah | 18:10 |
| sandsmark | http://pastie.org/9679187 | 18:10 |
| tbr | Nicd-: that should get you all the vehicle-pr0n https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/+ThomasRuecker/albums/6011755096049854833 | 18:10 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: nice | 18:10 |
| Nicd- | tbr: thanks! it's so cool 8) | 18:11 |
| SK_work | sandsmark: which line ? | 18:11 |
| Acce | sandsmark: what about endInsertRows? | 18:11 |
| sandsmark | Acce: line 111 | 18:11 |
| Acce | did you test that it ever actually gets evaluated? | 18:11 |
| sandsmark | yeah | 18:11 |
| sandsmark | hence the qDebug()'s | 18:11 |
| sandsmark | [D] SnapModel::parseJson:107 - adding snap "303059413639548711r" | 18:12 |
| SK_work | sandsmark: quite weired way to populate | 18:12 |
| SK_work | either you append or you update | 18:12 |
| SK_work | don't do both in same code path :/ | 18:12 |
| * Stskeeps twitches at reading about ilp32 for aarch64. | 18:12 | |
| sandsmark | well, I need to loop over the JSON array | 18:12 |
| SK_work | sandsmark: which path is called atm ? | 18:12 |
| sandsmark | good question | 18:13 |
| SK_work | emit dataUpdated or endInsertRows ? | 18:13 |
| SK_work | sandsmark: if you need to loop over the json array do an begin/endInsertRows one time | 18:13 |
| SK_work | performance wise it is much better | 18:13 |
| sandsmark | hmm, true | 18:13 |
| SK_work | sandsmark: what's the use case ? | 18:14 |
| SK_work | why do you need to update model actually ? | 18:14 |
| sandsmark | yes | 18:14 |
| SK_work | or couldn't you batch update the model, followed by the appending ? | 18:14 |
| sandsmark | when snaps are viewed the the snap item need to be updated | 18:14 |
| SK_work | sandsmark: then do one code path for viewing snap | 18:15 |
| SK_work | another for adding snaps | 18:15 |
| sandsmark | yeah, I guess | 18:16 |
| sandsmark | it will still need two paths, though, one for batching and one for updating | 18:16 |
| SK_work | sandsmark: please | 18:16 |
| SK_work | don't mix update and add | 18:16 |
| sandsmark | so I don't really see the improvement | 18:16 |
| SK_work | it is not pleasant | 18:16 |
| r0kk3rz | instead of keeping the json, store it in a qmap <qvariantmap>?? | 18:16 |
| sandsmark | r0kk3rz: what do you mean? | 18:16 |
| SK_work | well, what I feel is that you need to read the array and batch update | 18:16 |
| sandsmark | what would be the improvement? | 18:17 |
| Acce | consider creating the snap items as QObjects instead of js objects | 18:17 |
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| sandsmark | it's just a struct | 18:17 |
| sandsmark | and I get it as json from snapchat itself | 18:17 |
| Acce | then register the qobjects to the qml engine and you can bind the data | 18:17 |
| SK_work | Acce: or C struct, QObjects have metadata that might not be needed | 18:18 |
| sandsmark | done that before, it is very crash prone | 18:18 |
| SK_work | Acce: not bad either | 18:18 |
| SK_work | anyway | 18:18 |
| SK_work | gtg bbl | 18:18 |
| SK_work | sandsmark: hope you can find a good solution :) | 18:18 |
| sandsmark | using a list model roleNames is much more tested, apparently | 18:18 |
| sandsmark | thanks! | 18:18 |
| SK_work | sandsmark: I do like roleNames, but QObject with properties is quite nice too | 18:18 |
| sandsmark | well, as long as they don't cause qtquick to crash :p | 18:19 |
| sandsmark | also, more boilerplate | 18:19 |
| Acce | sandsmark: when you tried it, did you set the ownership of the objects? | 18:19 |
| sandsmark | yes | 18:19 |
| SK_work | sandsmark: not exactly | 18:19 |
| Acce | and qml still tries to delete them? :/ | 18:19 |
| sandsmark | I don't remember the issue exactly, but threading was a pain | 18:19 |
| SK_work | it has to do with you | 18:19 |
| SK_work | haha | 18:19 |
| SK_work | threading | 18:19 |
| sandsmark | it was more about updating the content | 18:19 |
| SK_work | never populate QObjects in another thread | 18:19 |
| sandsmark | you don't want to run stuff in the QML UI thread | 18:19 |
| sandsmark | exactly | 18:19 |
| SK_work | there is a thread affinity with QObject | 18:20 |
| sandsmark | I know | 18:20 |
| SK_work | you should retrive QVariantMap or stuff, and create it in UI thread | 18:20 |
| SK_work | not hard | 18:20 |
| sandsmark | it's a ton of extra code for no gain over a listmodel :) | 18:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | i should really revisit my qabstractlistmodel implementation | 18:26 |
| r0kk3rz | its pretty bad as is | 18:26 |
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| sandsmark | hmm, no I can't get outgoing connections | 18:50 |
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| attah | Does anyone know the status of qtdocgallery or any other ways of apping around the media library? | 19:17 |
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| Acce | coderus: thanks for your help the other day, I got this working.. however | 19:50 |
| Acce | For some reason any media player I've tried on Jolla won't play the video recorded.. works fine in VLC on PC though | 19:51 |
| Acce | might that be because of using the matroska container? I tried using some other containers from http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/pwg/html/section-types-definitions.html | 19:52 |
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| Didou | hi | 19:53 |
| Acce | but trying anything else, it says gstreamer installation is missing plugin.. any pointers? | 19:53 |
| Didou | I wonder if there a version for one oneplus | 19:54 |
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| r0kk3rz | Didou: theres one in the works | 19:58 |
| Didou | How to get it? | 19:59 |
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| Acce | coderus: hmm now it seems to work in the gallery player.. blargh, sorry to bother you ^^' | 20:03 |
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| r0kk3rz | Didou: not sure its been made available yet | 20:05 |
| r0kk3rz | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 20:05 |
| r0kk3rz | that is the current list, and what works | 20:05 |
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| Didou | currently there is not | 20:17 |
| skvark | what does this mean: file:///usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/Page.qml:134: TypeError: Cannot read property of null | 20:19 |
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| skvark | happens with the new sdk | 20:19 |
| skvark | when I swipe back after pageStack.push | 20:19 |
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| coderus | Acce: nice :) | 20:22 |
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| coderus | skvark: that means there are not enough good developers working in Jolla for Silica :) | 20:27 |
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| cos- | http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2014/10/26/nokias-not-finished-with-mobile-hints-at-2016-for-finlands-next-smartphone/ | 20:30 |
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| skvark | coderus: well I'm going ignore the error because everything is working fine :) | 20:35 |
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