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| Morpog_PC___ | piggz, the accelerometer is off | 06:35 |
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| Morpog_PC___ | and I can't disable it to use the onscreen controls | 06:35 |
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| piggz | Morpog_PC___: you mean the accelerometer is on? | 07:39 |
| kimmoli | SfietKonstantin: harmony server sounds interesting... | 07:39 |
| SfietKonstantin | kimmoli: :) | 07:40 |
| SfietKonstantin | if I can compile nodejs .. | 07:40 |
| SfietKonstantin | (+ change the name, because harmony is the "internal" codename :)) | 07:40 |
| kimmoli | ah | 07:41 |
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| Morpog_PC___ | piggz incase you read the log, accelerometer is on, but "off" (not calibrated) :D | 08:42 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | kimmoli: right now harmony-server is basically nothing :D | 08:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is a dummy demo test app for me to learn coffeescript + node + backbone + bootstrap (all these fancy js stuff) | 08:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | however, soon it might become bigger :) | 08:59 |
| kimmoli | Sfiet_Konstantin: ok, just the repo description got my attention | 08:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 09:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | just getting some experience | 09:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | soon it will grow bigger | 09:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (first, get notifications to be displayed :)) | 09:01 |
| kimmoli | seems those npm packages to obs takes some time ? | 09:03 |
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| kempe | I installed sailfish SDK on osx but when i try to create a new project i dont have SailfishOS under projects. I only got other, non-qt and import. | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | kempe: report on.sailfish-devel | 11:02 |
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| kempe | Yeah i just wanted to see if anyone had a fix for it... sailfish-devel? | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | mailing list listed on sailfishos.org | 11:06 |
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| kempe | Stskeeps: what just send a mail to devel@lists.sailfishos.org? not really much information on how to report something and what information they would like to have on that site. | 11:19 |
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| stephg | afternoon folks | 11:34 |
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| mgrover | hello is anyone around?? | 11:56 |
| mgrover | am currently trying to use libvnc in a project, but no matter how I set the LIBS it will not link. Do I need to compile libvnc sources on the mersdk? | 11:57 |
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| Yaniel | you need to have libvnc installed on the build vm | 12:04 |
| mgrover | i see, so I would have to compile it on the build vm | 12:07 |
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| Yaniel | I don't think that is necessary | 12:13 |
| Yaniel | there is likely a package available for it | 12:13 |
| Yaniel | start the sdk vm and click the sailfish icon on the left sidebar | 12:13 |
| Yaniel | there you can install stuff on the build vm | 12:14 |
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| mgrover | well I've just built it on the sdk | 12:22 |
| mgrover | ill try what you said, since it automatically builds shared libraries | 12:22 |
| mgrover | there isn't a package for it :'( | 12:23 |
| mgrover | the issue for me is, dynamic links are created aka .so files (or alteast thats how I think it works) but I'v had to edit the CMakeFilelist.txt for a static library, am unsure where I would place the files within the mersdk vm either | 12:24 |
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| Yaniel | .so files are the same as .dll on windows | 12:27 |
| Yaniel | static libs are .a and they are usually placed in the same directory as shared ones | 12:27 |
| Yaniel | so /usr/lib | 12:27 |
| mgrover | if I was referencing files on the main machine not the vm, isnt this the right way | 12:33 |
| mgrover | -I/home/mersdk/share/Desktop/presencevnc-0.8/libvnc/ -Llibvncclientstatic.a | 12:33 |
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| Yaniel | no | 12:38 |
| Yaniel | -L is for the linker search directory | 12:39 |
| Yaniel | -l is for linking | 12:39 |
| mgrover | ahh | 12:40 |
| piggz | Updated Galaxy Attack for those interested http://piggz.co.uk/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=2e0c0125ae75230959a6854d14bd5bc1 | 12:41 |
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| mgrover | is there anyway to have the library build with my project? | 12:44 |
| mgrover | Since I can't seem to import CMake C builds without a suitable kit | 12:44 |
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| Morpog_PC | piggz, latest version just crashes | 12:56 |
| piggz | Morpog_PC: hmm, works ok here, can you see why? | 12:57 |
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| Morpog_PC | piggz, dunno, it launches fine from terminal | 13:02 |
| Morpog_PC | but not from icon launcher | 13:02 |
| piggz | hmm, I havnt changed the .desktop file | 13:03 |
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| Morpog_PC | accelerometer seems to be calibrated now | 13:05 |
| Morpog_PC | but when you enable OSC it should be disabled, or? | 13:06 |
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| Leonardo_ | Hi | 13:11 |
| Leonardo_ | When will be nearest release sailfish? | 13:12 |
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| Morpog_PC | When it's done | 13:13 |
| Leonardo_ | а many rpocisely? | 13:15 |
| Leonardo_ | ops | 13:16 |
| Leonardo_ | more | 13:16 |
| Leonardo_ | ofcourse | 13:16 |
| Morpog_PC | ????? | 13:17 |
| Shinryuu | !? | 13:17 |
| Merbot` | Shinryuu: Error: "?" is not a valid command. | 13:17 |
| DevBot | Shinryuu: Error: "?" is not a valid command. | 13:17 |
| mgrover | tomorrow :P | 13:17 |
| Nightmare__ | :D | 13:17 |
| Shinryuu | oh.. | 13:17 |
| Shinryuu | that was unexpected | 13:17 |
| Nightmare__ | just arround the corner | 13:17 |
| mgrover | I lied... | 13:18 |
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| Leonardo_ | and jolla lied | 13:21 |
| Morpog_PC | grow up | 13:22 |
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| Leonardo_ | Where is Mark? | 13:23 |
| mgrover | It'll come when it comes | 13:24 |
| mgrover | I swear companies should never announce an update, they should just release it one day | 13:24 |
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| pp_ | well, if they announce one per month, they need to announce whenever they don't :P | 13:25 |
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| Nightmare__ | or release a update every week on tuesday even without changes :D | 13:26 |
| mgrover | itd keep the hype down atleast lol | 13:26 |
| pp_ | patch tuesday :D | 13:27 |
| pp_ | not even call it update | 13:27 |
| Leonardo_ | Yes but they promis september | 13:27 |
| Yaniel | did they really? | 13:27 |
| Nightmare__ | nope https://together.jolla.com/question/55909/official-announcement-uitukka-is-just-around-the-corner-hold-on/ | 13:29 |
| tigeli | Leonardo_: so you would prefer having unstable release vs. stable? | 13:29 |
| Yaniel | thought so | 13:29 |
| mgrover | I have a #define from a library interfering because "max" has been defined, is there anyway to stop this breaking everything? | 13:29 |
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| Yaniel | don't define "max" | 13:30 |
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| pp_ | #undef max | 13:30 |
| mgrover | thank you | 13:31 |
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| Leonardo_ | And they had at least one stable release? | 13:31 |
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| Leonardo_ | all will be unstable i think | 13:32 |
| Leonardo_ | bad | 13:33 |
| Yaniel | define stable | 13:35 |
| mgrover | am getting a ton of undefined reference to "" and its pointing at functions in a library am using, I've tried rebuilding the library, rebuilding it statically, am out of ideas atm | 13:36 |
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| Flexman | hey! | 16:17 |
| Flexman | how far is that sailfish OS now? | 16:17 |
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| Morpog_PC | far? | 16:31 |
| Flexman | yes i read that it's more like a Beta OS | 16:33 |
| Flexman | does it work good now? | 16:33 |
| Flexman | my phone just broke and i'll have to go for a new one | 16:34 |
| Flexman | however it seems that it takes some time until there will be an "other half" with a slider keyboard | 16:34 |
| M4rtinK | ~1.5 km | 16:35 |
| Flexman | so not as far as a car | 16:37 |
| Flexman | maybe like a beta car | 16:37 |
| M4rtinK | on a more serious side, this is hard to just simplify it like this | 16:39 |
| M4rtinK | as any modern OS it is a complex thing | 16:40 |
| M4rtinK | and while it might not be done or stable in some areas, it is quite ahead in others | 16:40 |
| Morpog_PC | it also depends what kind of user you are | 16:40 |
| Morpog_PC | android tinkerer = it could be for you | 16:40 |
| Morpog_PC | android mainstream user = stay away | 16:41 |
| Morpog_PC | iOS user = stay away | 16:41 |
| Morpog_PC | maemo user = it could be for you | 16:41 |
| Morpog_PC | webos user = it could be for you | 16:41 |
| Flexman | mostly i'm a keyboard phone user, so i like having keyboard shortcuts etc., and will have to wait for the keyboard other half | 16:46 |
| Flexman | however i also had webos and liked it, but this is running very smooth even compared to android | 16:47 |
| Morpog_PC | well, I don't think there will be an official keyboard anytime soon. | 16:48 |
| Morpog_PC | but the community project progresses nice | 16:48 |
| Morpog_PC | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93156 | 16:49 |
| Armadillo | I'm also waiting for a good keyboard, but currently I don't have the hope to get one that suits my needs | 16:49 |
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| Armadillo | for me the layout of project looks kinda strange, but I also heard, they won't change it | 16:49 |
| Morpog_PC | whats strange about it? | 16:50 |
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| Armadillo | dom'T have the picture right here, so it's difficult to explain | 16:51 |
| Armadillo | don't | 16:51 |
| Armadillo | ah there it is | 16:51 |
| Armadillo | main issue was I don't understand what those "Chr" buttons should do and I'm really missing the Esc key | 16:52 |
| Morpog_PC | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxMADzpIgAA59rv.jpg:large | 16:52 |
| Morpog_PC | chr = FN key I guess | 16:52 |
| Morpog_PC | or ctrl :D | 16:53 |
| Armadillo | makes sense | 16:53 |
| Armadillo | ctrl is on the righ | 16:53 |
| Armadillo | right | 16:53 |
| Morpog_PC | true | 16:53 |
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| kimmoli | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByDaFb9CUAAsi8p.jpg:large | 16:55 |
| Morpog_PC | oh a new pic | 16:55 |
| Morpog_PC | what was meaning of Chr? | 16:56 |
| Armadillo | oh | 16:56 |
| Armadillo | idn't know they changed it | 16:56 |
| Armadillo | thanks kimmoli | 16:56 |
| kimmoli | and there will be gui to customize "anykey" (almost) | 16:57 |
| kimmoli | so you can make space = ESC | 16:57 |
| Morpog_PC | ah EXC on FN TAB | 16:58 |
| Armadillo | well as second function of tab it is ok | 16:58 |
| Morpog_PC | ESC | 16:58 |
| Armadillo | this fits my needs | 16:58 |
| kimmoli | Chr (aka FN) is to press those Blue-imprints. | 16:58 |
| Morpog_PC | yeah we know | 16:58 |
| Armadillo | yeah got that already :) | 16:58 |
| Morpog_PC | but what does it stand for? | 16:58 |
| Armadillo | caracter maybe | 16:58 |
| Morpog_PC | FN = function, Chr = ????? | 16:58 |
| Armadillo | character | 16:58 |
| Morpog_PC | choose random key | 16:59 |
| Flexman | hmm.. i'l prefer an keyboard like the Palm Treos or if it is a slider then like the Dell Venue Pro | 16:59 |
| Armadillo | ohhh i has a backlight | 16:59 |
| Armadillo | it seems I have to buy it :D | 16:59 |
| Morpog_PC | i would love a Blackberry passport like Sailfish device | 16:59 |
| Armadillo | Flexman: do have an example? | 17:00 |
| Armadillo | +you | 17:00 |
| Flexman | yes, maybe like the passport but with caller and cursor keys | 17:01 |
| Flexman | Armadillo: well the Nokia E72 :) | 17:01 |
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| Armadillo | I don't like those pseudo keyboards because of their very small keys | 17:01 |
| Armadillo | too at fingers here :D | 17:01 |
| Armadillo | fat | 17:02 |
| Armadillo | damn... | 17:02 |
| faenil | Morpog_PC: Passport <3 | 17:02 |
| Flexman | Armadillo: i'm faster on these because with the big slider keyboards i'm not faster, but i'm slower because of the bigger distance | 17:02 |
| Morpog_PC | all in all, when I have to do much typing, I just SSH into my device instad of typing on VKB or small buttons | 17:02 |
| Flexman | err i min.. with the bigger sliders I don't win speed, but i'll lose speed because of the longer distance | 17:02 |
| Flexman | and the keys still are not big enough for having the PC-speed, so I'm fine witz E71 style phones | 17:03 |
| Flexman | http://www.wpcentral.com/sites/wpcentral.com/files/resource_images/Dell_venue_3.jpg | 17:03 |
| Flexman | thats a slider version but still i like it most without slider | 17:03 |
| Armadillo | well | 17:04 |
| Armadillo | everyone has other needs | 17:04 |
| Armadillo | for me speed doesn't help if I have to correct every second character | 17:04 |
| Flexman | sure. :) but i'm even more accurate with the keyboard of the HTC chacha for example | 17:07 |
| Flexman | maybe the blackberry classic will be the phone for me but they'll start with a high price i guess | 17:08 |
| kimmoli | but great thing with jolla is that you can make your own ... | 17:10 |
| Armadillo | porting the OS to another device could also be a solution | 17:12 |
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| Flexman | ah ok yes | 17:19 |
| Flexman | but i guess that device needs at least arm7, does it? | 17:19 |
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| Morpog_PC | x86 could work too | 17:54 |
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| krnlyng | maybe a stupid question but i'll ask anyways :) i made a backup of jollas rootfs from the recovery shell by cp-ing it to the sdcard but whenever i copy it back and boot it the gui is extremely laggy why is that? | 18:26 |
| krnlyng | and there is a beep sound before the gui starts | 18:27 |
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| stephg | how did you copy? | 18:30 |
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| stephg | (re the beep the emulator and n4 do that, don't ever think I've seen my jolla do it) | 18:31 |
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| Stskeeps | cp isn't always going to cut it.. | 18:31 |
| krnlyng | stephg: "cp -r /mnt /media/backup" with mnt being /dev/mmcblk0p28 and media the sdcard | 18:32 |
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| stephg | krnlyng: surprised it works at all! | 18:34 |
| krnlyng | Stskeeps: do you know how i could fix it? i don't want to do a factory reset and update again because my internet connection is bad | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | i can't answer you officially on that, sorry :/ | 18:34 |
| stephg | krnlyng: so your permissions are going to be variously broken and you may have full copies of files where you had links before | 18:35 |
| stephg | the former may account for the lagginess | 18:35 |
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| krnlyng | hmm okay | 18:36 |
| stephg | if the thing is functional when booted normally you could *try* reinstalling every package which will fix the perms but may also hilariously break | 18:37 |
| stephg | I'd factory reset tbh | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | rpm --verify perhaps? | 18:37 |
| stephg | ^^ would at least tell you how broken I suppose | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | -a | 18:38 |
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| kimmoli | was there good guide somewhere to make coverpage background? or just check how those are made ? | 18:51 |
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| kimmoli | (or guide at all... forget _good) | 18:51 |
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| frullewulle | building middleware packages goes wrong for grouper, can't find tar file (name ends on 0000; seems revision is wrong) | 19:03 |
| frullewulle | someone else having this? | 19:03 |
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| stephg | BasilSemuonov: if you're around had any trouble wth system monitor and a btrfs balance? | 20:04 |
| BasilSemuonov | stephg, i'm here, what kind of trouble? | 20:05 |
| stephg | I don't know, perhaps none, I'm just digging around: I ran out of metadata space on friday | 20:06 |
| stephg | did a btrfs balance / and it got most of the way through but then I had a reboot | 20:06 |
| stephg | am doing the same today now | 20:06 |
| BasilSemuonov | how should I check it? specify command, i'll show you result | 20:06 |
| stephg | and noticed I had kernel warnings about a slow fsync for ~nemo/.cache/thecust/SystemMonitor/base.sqlite-journal | 20:07 |
| stephg | I don't know if you need to check anything | 20:07 |
| stephg | just wondered if you knew if anyone had had an issue with SystemMonitor | 20:07 |
| BasilSemuonov | sysmon is 'always on' on my jolla with 2min update intervals, also with some beta features to extra datbases | 20:07 |
| stephg | obviously a btrfs balance is io heavy | 20:08 |
| BasilSemuonov | .cache/thecust/SystemMonitor/base.sqlite - is a db with collected data (system activity). | 20:09 |
| stephg | yeah | 20:09 |
| stephg | like I say, don't think anything 'needs doing' just wondering if anyone else had seen anything | 20:10 |
| * stephg is really just talking out loud | 20:10 | |
| BasilSemuonov | what size of your db? | 20:11 |
| stephg | 13MB apparently | 20:11 |
| BasilSemuonov | probably to much units collected, with short update interval cases some fragmentation? | 20:11 |
| stephg | I think the interval is 1 or 2 mins still | 20:12 |
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| BasilSemuonov | mine is 2 min, 14 days (with some short periods of 30), which results in 9mb and 230k units | 20:12 |
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| BasilSemuonov | stephg, whats the message at journal for that? | 20:14 |
| stephg | http://pastie.org/9622966 | 20:15 |
| stephg | it's a normal error (well on a server it is) with something swamped in oi | 20:15 |
| stephg | io | 20:15 |
| BasilSemuonov | stephg, nothing similar at my dmesg :/ | 20:17 |
| stephg | well you may have if you do a balance ;) | 20:17 |
| BasilSemuonov | but I use only 25% of /home | 20:17 |
| stephg | well the whole thing is slightly odd as the FS itself was only 58% full at the time | 20:18 |
| stephg | so quite why my metadata went away in the first place... (which has nothing to do with SM) | 20:18 |
| BasilSemuonov | stephg, you did balance only for / ? or also for /home ? | 20:26 |
| stephg | just / (though I don't think it makes any difference in this case but am going to check that) | 20:28 |
| BasilSemuonov | stephg, btw, did your balance actually finished? | 20:32 |
| BasilSemuonov | maybe it's still running? | 20:32 |
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| stephg | yep it finished, and the fsync timeout was from the beginning btw | 20:40 |
| stephg | anyway, is bedtime for me, it's not a problem (and it's probably actually expected:- system monitor has to be one of the first apps to schedule writes that need to be reasonably timely) | 20:41 |
| stephg | but wanted to let you know | 20:41 |
| stephg | BasilSemuonov ^^, anyway, g'night catch you in the morning | 20:42 |
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