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| coderus | Morpog: it's working. If it's not work for you - you installed old version. | 07:17 |
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| stemid | is there no way to just reflash/reinstall my jolla phone after it has been permanently locked? I don't care about the data on it, I just want to avoid sending it to finland. | 08:23 |
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| ln- | "permanently locked" would be kind of pointless if it could be easily unlocked. | 08:25 |
| stemid | I don't see the point of this level of protection. if someone steals my phone and is unable to reflash or unlock it then I won't get it back, they'll just throw it away anyways. so I don't see the point. | 08:26 |
| stemid | if I could at least reflash it, erase the daa | 08:26 |
| stemid | data | 08:26 |
| SK_work | stemid: goal is that a thief don't steal your phone, reflash and resell it | 08:27 |
| stemid | so it's better to just have it in the trash | 08:27 |
| stemid | the data protection is good, but the inability to erase the phone and reinstall is pointless. | 08:27 |
| SK_work | stemid: at least, for the thief, it has no value, so it do not encourage phone stealing | 08:27 |
| SK_work | stemid: in a hacker point of view | 08:28 |
| SK_work | so did you lost your lock code ? | 08:28 |
| SK_work | something like that ? | 08:28 |
| SK_work | you can't boot to recovery and reflash from here ? | 08:28 |
| stemid | yes, it required more digits than I was used to and it was my 2nd phone just trying it out so of course I forgot the code. :( | 08:28 |
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| ln- | usually the lost lock code is one's brother's or friend's birthday. | 08:29 |
| stemid | and frankly I don't think any thief will recognize a jolla and know it is theftproof like that. | 08:29 |
| SK_work | stemid: security | 08:29 |
| SK_work | what's the point of security when it's not secure basically ? | 08:29 |
| SK_work | try to remmeber or your Jolla will win a nice trip to Finland | 08:29 |
| stemid | I do think the data security is great, because I wanted to use it for work, but to not be able to reinstall it is pointless imo. | 08:29 |
| stemid | even if I steal a linux laptop with LUKS I can still reinstall it. to have the thief just throw it away is a waste. | 08:30 |
| stemid | bah I guess I'll have to send it to finland. | 08:30 |
| stemid | my iphone is being more and more problematic | 08:30 |
| stemid | and I want to try the new releases | 08:30 |
| SK_work | stemid: if you steal a linux laptop with LUKS + encrypted hdd + locked bios, good luck reinstalling it | 08:31 |
| ln- | if you forget the lock code of an iPhone, can you simply reflash/reinstall that then? | 08:31 |
| stemid | there are pins to flash the bios with | 08:31 |
| tbr | stemid: if the boot loader is locked on your laptop it becomes a costly exercies to 'reinstall' | 08:31 |
| SK_work | ln-: don't think so | 08:31 |
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| SK_work | that's why I'm wondering | 08:31 |
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| Nicd- | stemid: anyway, the only way to reflash your phone is to send it to jolla | 08:34 |
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| coderus | my github webhooks to obs still not working and i need help | 08:37 |
| SK_work | coderus: I'm here and I don't know what to do | 08:38 |
| SK_work | one sec | 08:38 |
| SK_work | will trigger it manyally | 08:38 |
| SK_work | and then ... try to retag etc. | 08:38 |
| SK_work | I think that tagging on github makes it act weired | 08:38 |
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| coderus | SK_work: i'm tagging from cli, not from github | 08:42 |
| coderus | obs/0/8/2 tagged and pushed from cli | 08:42 |
| smoku_ | what stops a thief from sending Jolla to finland to reflash? | 08:42 |
| SK_work | coderus: you did a release on github | 08:42 |
| SK_work | smoku_: that's the interesting question :D | 08:42 |
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| tbr | smoku_: you, if you let jolla know the IMEI of your device and that it has been stolen? | 08:42 |
| coderus | SK_work: it's a different tags | 08:43 |
| coderus | not for obs :) | 08:43 |
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| smoku_ | tbr: am I able to find my IMEI once the phone is out of my hands? | 08:43 |
| Nicd- | smoku_: you can see it from the jolla website | 08:43 |
| coderus | SK_work: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/obs%2F0.8.2 | 08:43 |
| tbr | smoku_: check your jolla account | 08:43 |
| Nicd- | I think | 08:43 |
| smoku_ | what stops me from reporting your IMEI as stolen? | 08:43 |
| SK_work | coderus: it seems that whenever you create a tag on github, obs got crazy :( | 08:43 |
| tbr | and the waybill of your phone and the box it came in... | 08:44 |
| Nicd- | smoku_: presumably they will check your identity in some way | 08:44 |
| tbr | smoku_: jolla's due diligence | 08:44 |
| coderus | SK_work: but it worked before :) | 08:45 |
| smoku_ | so, it's the protein factor, as usual ;-) | 08:45 |
| SK_work | coderus: you never tagged on github before, did you | 08:47 |
| SK_work | I really wonder | 08:47 |
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| SK_work | I never tried tagging on github etc. | 08:47 |
| SK_work | now that I force triggering a build, can you tag and build on obs ? | 08:47 |
| coderus | SK_work: explain | 08:50 |
| SK_work | coderus: when it started not working ? | 08:51 |
| SK_work | is it after you did 0.8.2 release on github, or before ? | 08:51 |
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| coderus | SK_work: i first tried to build with tagging in cli | 10:31 |
| coderus | not on github | 10:31 |
| coderus | and after it failed i created release on github | 10:31 |
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| Armadillo_ | oh great, somebody already started to port Sailfish to my Photon Q :D | 10:51 |
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| SK_work | coderus: :/ | 11:17 |
| SK_work | I really wonder what's wrong | 11:18 |
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| coderus | :'( | 11:29 |
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| SK_work | coderus: you might call lbt to the rescue | 12:42 |
| * coderus calling lbt... | 12:42 | |
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| sledges | coderus: are you tagging with "git -a TAG" ? | 13:00 |
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| coderus | sledges: git tag obs/0.8.2 && git push origin obs/0.8.2 | 13:30 |
| coderus | If you have not enough votes for your wishes in Mitakuuluu, you can donate to author and send link to issue at github. | 13:31 |
| lbt | SK_work: coderus - missed this highlight - wassup ? | 13:34 |
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| coderus | lbt: this one: http://i.imgur.com/VWida46.png | 13:35 |
| SaberAltria | Why import Qt.labs.folderlistmodel 2.1 is not installed ? | 13:35 |
| SaberAltria | I found that it has been installed | 13:35 |
| lbt | coderus: and what's it supposed to trigger | 13:39 |
| sledges | lbt: this: https://webhook.merproject.org/webhook/admin/app/webhookmapping/1597/ | 13:39 |
| lbt | home:coderus:sailfish | 13:39 |
| coderus | sledges: afaik its 2.0, not 2.1 | 13:39 |
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| coderus | oops wrong highlight | 13:41 |
| coderus | SaberAltria: its Qt.labs.folderlistmodel 2.0, not 2.1 | 13:41 |
| lbt | Last Seen Revision: 6dfaf2fff31d7112b2907fa8d3ee7cd046895e29 | 13:41 |
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| SaberAltria | Ops ! | 13:46 |
| SaberAltria | THz Coderus ! | 13:46 |
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| coderus | lbt: anything i should check? | 13:50 |
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| rubdos | Any chance that the Jolla mailclient will be opensourced? :/ | 17:16 |
| rubdos | Really waiting for GPG and IMAP idle/notify | 17:16 |
| w00t | rubdos: QMF (the middleware it uses) already is | 17:17 |
| w00t | (https://qt.gitorious.org/qt-labs/messagingframework) | 17:17 |
| tbr | and IIRC you can mess with the QMF settings directly, don't remember if you can get IDLE working though | 17:17 |
| rubdos | w00t, and is that the place to implement GPG? Because you'll need GUI elements too | 17:17 |
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| tbr | rubdos: unsupported, might eat your dog, etc. - https://together.jolla.com/question/3057/howto-temporarily-fix-the-erratic-email-syncing-problem/ | 17:21 |
| tbr | doesn't seem to have IDLE though, only short sync interval | 17:21 |
| rubdos | well, that's exactly what I don't want. IDLE is just one open TCP connection, so you're always op to date. Short sync intervals should drain batteries ;P | 17:22 |
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| * tbr goes back working on his push messaging service architecture | 17:29 | |
| rubdos | tbr, is that what I hope it is? :O | 17:33 |
| tbr | rubdos: it's "one open TCP connection" and messages delivered over that to the phone, which even works in low power modes aka sleep | 17:34 |
| tbr | if that's what you mean | 17:34 |
| rubdos | sounds like imap idle :s | 17:35 |
| tbr | I have a very well working proof of concept for the transport layer | 17:35 |
| tbr | well, yeah, you could work around the lack of imap idle with that, would be a bit convoluted though... | 17:36 |
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| tbr | but the result in the grand scheme hopefully will be a generic push messaging service that can be used by all sailfish apps | 17:37 |
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| rubdos | tbr, well, sounds interesting :) | 17:39 |
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| javispedro | tbr: are there any real savings vs libheartbeat or similar to group tcp keepalives? | 18:33 |
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| javispedro | it's funny how in google conferences they repeat the "open TCP connections waste battery" mantra without providing real reasons or data... | 18:34 |
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| javispedro | and the only one I can think of is keepalives, which may need to be sent relatively frequently on NATted-to-hell 3G networks... | 18:34 |
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| smoku | javispedro: AFAIK tbr's implementation is using libiphb already | 18:43 |
| javispedro | yeah, but I ponder if there's any difference between "one open TCP connection" and "gazillions of TCP connections" | 18:44 |
| smoku | javispedro: the killer feature IMO is that mqtt server is enqueueing messages when you looe connection, and retransmits messages if they get MIA | 18:44 |
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| smoku | javispedro: there isn't much, thus "one open TCP connection" in [air]quotes ;-) | 18:46 |
| manqeloque | javispedro, the fact is that tcp connections have timeouts, so you have to keep the alive | 18:46 |
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| manqeloque | and the original heartbeat mechanism in Maemo was invented because the system has many net-polling-apps, and it ate a lot of battery if the device had to open the mobile internet frequently | 18:48 |
| javispedro | smoku: I see the "enqueing while offline" mechanism interesting indeed, at least from a privacy PoV, because you limit the number of machines that need to know your device's "presence" | 18:49 |
| javispedro | manqeloque: which is why ponder if there's any benefit now that there's hearbeat to "having one open connection only" | 18:50 |
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| coderus | lbt: ping? | 18:56 |
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| manqeloque | javispedro, well unless the heartbeat system also takes care of the keepalives, i'd guess open tcp connections cause unnecessary mobile connections | 18:59 |
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| lbt | coderus: sorry - off out - I'll read later if you type though | 19:02 |
| lbt | o/ | 19:02 |
| coderus | lbt: i just want to have my webhook working | 19:03 |
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| ShadowJK | javispedro; iirc at a google conference in the days before iOS and Android, Nokia claimed real world networks have NAT timeouts of around 30 seconds. | 22:06 |
| javispedro | I would believe that indeed | 22:06 |
| javispedro | mine's around 2min | 22:07 |
| ShadowJK | and then there are networks where, say, 100 byte ping every 5 secs is equivalent in power consumption as a constant full speed data transfer | 22:08 |
| javispedro | that's what I think, which is the reason sending 100 TCP keepalives every 30 seconds is mostly equivalent in power usage as 1 keepalive | 22:08 |
| ShadowJK | ya | 22:08 |
| ShadowJK | Also you'd want your facebook,email and twitter clients to all poll simultaneously and not run on their own cycles | 22:09 |
| javispedro | this is a personal gripe of mine, that they always use the "TCP sockets use energy!" argument when defending the need for "centralized push services" aka sending the credentials to your imap, xmpp, etc. accounts to Google | 22:10 |
| javispedro | (or Apple) | 22:10 |
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| javispedro | (or Microsoft >:P) | 22:12 |
| ShadowJK | This day and age I'd probably trust microsoft most out of those | 22:13 |
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| javispedro | I'd say so, but I was surprised that they now do this "logging into your imap for you" trickery even on ""desktop"" win8 mail client. | 22:15 |
| javispedro | mostly because they also enforce the "one TCP socket only" rule during suspend | 22:15 |
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