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| diverse | Hello, I want to install sailfish on my samsung galaxy S3 i747. Would it be compatible with that particular derivative of the S3? If so, how do I get started? | 00:20 |
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| coderus | morning | 05:36 |
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| coderus | how to force connection dialog to show? | 05:39 |
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| chriadam | coderus: https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-connectivity/ might be helpful | 05:43 |
| chriadam | but I don't maintain that code anymore, and don't know what it does precisely ;-) | 05:44 |
| chriadam | ISTR that performing a DNS query when there are no active sessions, will trigger the dialog | 05:44 |
| chriadam | but for more information you'd need to ask lpotter or amccarthy | 05:44 |
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| coderus | chriadam: thanks :) | 05:49 |
| chriadam | np | 05:49 |
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| amccarthy | coderus: /usr/lib/qt5/bin/qdbus com.jolla.lipstick.ConnectionSelector / com.jolla.lipstick.ConnectionSelectorIf.openConnection wlan | 05:49 |
| coderus | it's sad QNetworkSession::open() doesn not trigger dialog | 05:49 |
| coderus | amccarthy: yup. added that code to my project :) | 05:50 |
| coderus | dbus working, thanks you both :) | 05:50 |
| chriadam | coderus: I think it's a problem with the Qt API. in some cases, you never want any networking calls to trigger opening a dialog (eg, if you're a daemon / background process). I think the Qt APIs lack that concept, although I don't know them well enough to be certain | 05:50 |
| coderus | chriadam: at least in harmattan this concept worked good :) | 05:51 |
| chriadam | ah | 05:51 |
| tbr | on harmattan there were a few ugly corner cases | 05:52 |
| tbr | I remember getting stuck in a loop of pop up "turn network on?" notifications on an airplane when making the mistake to open e.g. twitter... | 05:52 |
| coderus | tbr: yeah :D | 05:53 |
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| coderus | now QObject::connect(session, SIGNAL(opened()), reg, SLOT(startRequest())); and openConnectionDialog() after that working fine :) | 05:54 |
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| Naranek | Is debugging working on the Qt Creator? I've read some messages that say that it isn't, but they've been written some time ago. | 06:05 |
| coderus | Naranek: should work now fine | 06:07 |
| * coderus didnt used debug for a while, but remember jake9xx and kaltsi fixed it | 06:09 | |
| Naranek | thanks! I'll take a stab at it then :) | 06:10 |
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| coderus | ha, fast disable - enable wlan turns wlan icon at lockscteen into greyed state, settings showing wlan enabled, but it wont ever connect | 06:14 |
| coderus | only smooth disable and enable wlan can fix that :) | 06:15 |
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| coderus | is there any aliendalvik maintainer or someone who can proove some bugs? | 06:26 |
| coderus | i can't record video from android whatsapp | 06:26 |
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| coderus | lol wtf!???? | 06:32 |
| coderus | QStandardPaths::writableLocation(QStandardPaths::MoviesLocation refer to /home/nemo/.cache/harbour-mitakuuluu2/harbour-mitakuuluu2/Videos | 06:32 |
| coderus | QStandardPaths::writableLocation(QStandardPaths::PicturesLocation refer to /home/nemo/Pictures | 06:33 |
| coderus | WTF!??? | 06:33 |
| coderus | use QStandardPaths, do not use absolute paths. | 06:33 |
| coderus | wahahaha | 06:33 |
| coderus | first fir your apis | 06:33 |
| coderus | fix* | 06:33 |
| Aard | did you mess with xdg configuration? | 06:34 |
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| coderus | me not | 06:34 |
| coderus | it's same for everybody | 06:34 |
| coderus | check with yourself | 06:34 |
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| tbr | cool sailfish is now single-stack ipv6 http://pastebin.com/0bmbLqN1 | 06:50 |
| tbr | hint: there is an IPv4 DHCP server that it should have picked up | 06:50 |
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| lainwir3d | tbr: what does it means ? single-stack ipv6. | 06:53 |
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| tbr | lainwir3d: it means that it only uses IPv6 and doesn't even have a local, nor a default IPv4 route | 06:54 |
| lainwir3d | hmm | 06:55 |
| lainwir3d | what if your wireless network doesn't support ipv6 ? | 06:55 |
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| tbr | lainwir3d: either this bug is caused by IPv6 being available or the phone would end up in an L2 only connection state | 06:57 |
| * tbr configures an IPv4 address manually to see if that helps | 06:58 | |
| lainwir3d | oh, you means that's not a correct behavior ? haha | 06:58 |
| lainwir3d | I didn'd get it | 06:58 |
| lainwir3d | didn't* | 06:58 |
| tbr | 06:50:49< tbr> hint: there is an IPv4 DHCP server that it should have picked up | 06:59 |
| lainwir3d | all right, I guess I'm still not enough awake | 06:59 |
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| matrixx | can someone throw me the actual font sizes for Theme.fontSizeSmall, medium, large and extralarge? | 07:36 |
| matrixx | just for designing purposes, not gonna hardcode anything :P | 07:36 |
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| matrixx | I could of course print them, but all I have with me right now is iPad :P | 07:39 |
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| Nicd- | would be nice if the silica qml stuff was on github | 07:40 |
| lainwir3d | _really_ nice | 07:41 |
| tbr | nobody put it there yet? but it's LGPL or BSD? | 07:42 |
| Nicd- | I searched for it a while ago and didn't find | 07:42 |
| * tbr ponders what's a good source for that, probably the files on the device respectively an RPM? | 07:43 | |
| tbr | or is it even in the gpl dump? | 07:43 |
| walokra | where's the gpl dump? | 07:45 |
| tbr | on my server images.formeego.org | 07:45 |
| walokra | why doesn't jolla host it, have link on sailfishos.org? | 07:46 |
| tbr | u8 is still missing as I'm waiting for carsten to be back from vacation | 07:46 |
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| tbr | NFC, but given that you had to _snail_ mail them and they would _snail_ mail you a DVD, this is a massive improvement in my book | 07:47 |
| walokra | yep | 07:47 |
| tbr | also Jolla was supposed to publish all md5sums of the tarballs they uploaded to my server, to make this traceable | 07:48 |
| tbr | not sure if they did | 07:48 |
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| SK_work | Silica QML might be BSD, but fontsizexxx is coded in Theme, and not bsd | 07:50 |
| matrixx | might be an idea to print all the constants and make a reference in tjc | 07:54 |
| kimmoli | +1 | 07:55 |
| matrixx | at least I would find it beneficial in design purposes | 07:55 |
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| matrixx | I could do it in the evening while I need to print out the font sizes anyway | 07:56 |
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| tbr | SK_work: interesting, looking at package contents there are also QML files without license header :-/ | 07:58 |
| SK_work | matrixx: don't forget that you will print constants for the Jolla, constants are a factor of DPI and screensize | 07:58 |
| SK_work | tbr: inside silica ? | 07:58 |
| SK_work | hum ... | 07:58 |
| tbr | SK_work: this means the upload will be incomplete | 07:58 |
| SK_work | yep | 07:58 |
| tbr | I just unpacked "sailfishsilica-qt5-0.11.94-10.29.1.jolla.armv7hl.rpm" | 07:58 |
| matrixx | SK_work: ah, sure, I'll make a note they apply only in jolla | 07:59 |
| SK_work | tbr: :/ | 07:59 |
| tbr | I will replace all such files with a symlink to a file explaining that it's missing due to unclear licensing | 07:59 |
| lukedirtwalker | matrixx: for which design purposes will they help? | 07:59 |
| tbr | and will then file a TJC item | 07:59 |
| tbr | should put that also on the next agenda for community meeting | 08:00 |
| matrixx | lukedirtwalker: to make UI designs | 08:00 |
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| lukedirtwalker | but why? I mean you shouldn't rely on those values | 08:00 |
| matrixx | lukedirtwalker: to see which font size would fit best for needed purposes | 08:00 |
| SK_work | lukedirtwalker: to do stubs | 08:00 |
| SK_work | tbr: +1 | 08:00 |
| SK_work | sounds good | 08:00 |
| SK_work | tbr: uploading to github ? | 08:00 |
| tbr | SK_work: yes | 08:00 |
| SK_work | thanks :) | 08:01 |
| matrixx | lukedirtwalker: I understand it's approximate, but would help at least a bit | 08:01 |
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| * tbr ponders how to name the repository. sailfishsilica-qt5? or something else? | 08:01 | |
| lukedirtwalker | Would be much better to have the actual formula wouldn't it? | 08:01 |
| tbr | ideas appreciated | 08:01 |
| matrixx | lukedirtwalker: it would, if you could extract it | 08:02 |
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| SK_work | tbr: how is the package named ? | 08:12 |
| SK_work | sailfishsilica-qt5 ? | 08:12 |
| tbr | yes | 08:12 |
| SK_work | then use sailfishsilica-qt5 | 08:12 |
| tbr | *nod* | 08:12 |
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| tbr | SK_work: https://github.com/dm8tbr/sailfishsilica-qt5 | 08:40 |
| SK_work | tbr: thx | 08:41 |
| tbr | SK_work: also https://twitter.com/tbr23/status/496576538331344896 | 08:41 |
| SK_work | tbr: engineering english translation file "qm" is a binary format iirc | 08:42 |
| SK_work | so it's normal that it don't have a license | 08:42 |
| SK_work | but the translation source (ts) is not available | 08:42 |
| tbr | SK_work: yes, but I err on the safe side | 08:42 |
| kimmoli | https://github.com/dm8tbr/sailfishsilica-qt5/blob/master/usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/private/KeypadButton.qml | 08:42 |
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| tbr | the RPM has a license of "TBD" (sic!) | 08:43 |
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| Nicd- | thanks tbr! | 08:43 |
| tbr | Nicd-: happy to serve | 08:43 |
| tbr | SK_work: unless either Jolla (the company, or a legally mandated representative) states so OR the files will be explicitly marked by either addition of headers or a text file listing them and explaining their license, they will not be uploaded by me. | 08:45 |
| coderus | so, if rpm can't pass QA, other rpm carrying and sideloading first rpm will be rejected too? | 08:45 |
| SK_work | tbr: +1 | 08:45 |
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| tbr | https://together.jolla.com/question/52712/licensing-issues-with-sailfishsilica-qt5/ | 09:08 |
| Nicd- | upvoted | 09:11 |
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| lukedirtwalker | How can I detect when the user quits, before the aboutToQuit() signal? (I still need the event-loop) | 09:23 |
| SK_work | lukedirtwalker: qml app ? | 09:24 |
| SK_work | maybe connect QQmlEngine::quit signal to something else ? | 09:24 |
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| lukedirtwalker | SK_work: C++ Qml yes | 09:24 |
| SK_work | lukedirtwalker: sailfish ? | 09:25 |
| SK_work | so use QQmlEngine::quit signal ? Don't know if it works since it might also be sent when event loop is being destroyed | 09:25 |
| SK_work | (or just befoer ?) | 09:25 |
| lukedirtwalker | SK_work: yeah of course Sailfish. | 09:25 |
| lukedirtwalker | will try | 09:25 |
| SK_work | lukedirtwalker: in sailfish, you need to disconnect QQmlEngine::quit | 09:26 |
| SK_work | because it's autoconnected | 09:26 |
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| lukedirtwalker | with what? | 09:27 |
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| SK_work | lukedirtwalker: with qcoreapplication::quit (it seems) | 09:30 |
| SK_work | but cannot find source :( | 09:30 |
| lukedirtwalker | okay | 09:31 |
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| lukedirtwalker | thanks | 09:33 |
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| lukedirtwalker | SK_work: doesn't seem to work | 09:43 |
| SK_work | :( | 09:43 |
| SK_work | what are you trying to achieve ? | 09:43 |
| lukedirtwalker | The problem is I have to wait for a callback when I quit. (Spotify session logout triggers a callback that you are actually logged out, and for this I have to wait) | 09:47 |
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| SK_work | lukedirtwalker: I see | 09:48 |
| SK_work | lukedirtwalker: fire a QEventLoop when aboutToQuit ? | 09:49 |
| lukedirtwalker | SK_work: hehe yeah that would also be a possibility | 09:50 |
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| walokra | is harbour guys still on holiday or just with long queue? | 12:01 |
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| Nicd- | walokra: something new coming from you? :) | 12:05 |
| walokra | just minor update to ampiaiskala (cover page). doing also haikala update | 12:06 |
| nazanin | walokra: when did you submit the app? | 12:07 |
| walokra | haikala has greater possibilities for better features | 12:07 |
| walokra | nazanin: sunday night so I'm just impatient :) | 12:07 |
| nazanin | walokra: it was approved yesterday | 12:08 |
| nazanin | walokra: not in Store? | 12:08 |
| walokra | nazanin: hmm, ampiaiskala? harbour shows status QA and no notification. thus haven't checked in store | 12:09 |
| nazanin | walokra: give me a sec to check | 12:09 |
| walokra | it got couple more installs and likes, so it would explain those | 12:10 |
| nazanin | walokra: spotted the problem, it'll be fixed soonish :) thanks for reporting it,though | 12:11 |
| walokra | nazanin: great | 12:11 |
| tbr | SK_work: tbh, I'm looking for a business case that would enable working on the advanced bits. A simple messaging only client should be trivial using haze/libpurple in case of Sailfish. Just like it worked on N900 and N9/N950. | 12:17 |
| SK_work | tbr: whiteboard | 12:17 |
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| SK_work | tbr: the whiteboard is a really nice feature, and it would work even better on a touch screen imo | 12:18 |
| tbr | SK_work: yes, but it's not a business case. A company wanting to roll this out and willing to invest €€€ would be a business case. | 12:19 |
| SK_work | sorry :( | 12:19 |
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| SK_work | no buisness case here :( | 12:19 |
| tbr | SK_work: it's good to know that people are interested regardless, but the big cheese would be the thing. | 12:21 |
| tbr | SK_work: if there would be really a _lot_ of people one could consider crowd funding, but I guess that's unlikely. | 12:22 |
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| lukedirtwalker | tbr: Image format which supports Theme, so that screenshots for SailfishOS would look like installed, but tha probably isn't a big money bringer either :P | 12:27 |
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| tbr | lukedirtwalker: this is the context https://plus.google.com/u/0/111101795166699165422/posts/W9eMeobBhbo | 12:28 |
| lukedirtwalker | oh okay | 12:31 |
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| walokra | Nicd-: did you have some suggestions about sailimgur or other apps? | 12:36 |
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| Nicd- | walokra: when uploading in sailimgur, what does "add to gallery" mean? | 12:41 |
| Nicd- | also it would be nice to be able to rotate images and create/delete albums | 12:41 |
| walokra | Nicd-: add to gallery = to user submitted | 12:42 |
| Nicd- | yeah, it could be clearer | 12:42 |
| Nicd- | I thought I was adding to some gallery of my own | 12:42 |
| walokra | yep, it's not so clear but it's worded like in android app | 12:43 |
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| Nicd- | also, rotated images are uploaded in the wrong orientation | 12:43 |
| Nicd- | scratch that | 12:44 |
| Nicd- | just the preview is shown in the wrong orientation in the app | 12:44 |
| walokra | yep, that's also confusing | 12:44 |
| Nicd- | where did you get the side drawer from btw? | 12:45 |
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| walokra | adapted from communi iirc | 12:46 |
| walokra | planning to change it to something better | 12:46 |
| walokra | Nicd-: thanks for the suggestions. made some github issues for myself :) | 12:53 |
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| coderus | so, if rpm can't pass QA, other rpm carrying and sideloading first rpm will be rejected too? | 13:50 |
| nazanin | coderus: what do you mean? | 13:50 |
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| coderus | i mean harbour | 13:51 |
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| nazanin | coderus: what I didnt understand quite well was about 'other rpm carrying and sideloading first rpm' | 13:52 |
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| smoku_ | Estimated hours for approval 48 | 14:04 |
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| smoku_ | Flappy submitted 4 days ago | 14:05 |
| smoku_ | hmmm.... | 14:05 |
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| coderus | smoku_: 4 days ago was weekend | 14:06 |
| coderus | and 3 days ago was weekwnd | 14:06 |
| coderus | weekwnd* | 14:06 |
| coderus | nazanin: have two rpm: full version contains forbidden api and light version contains only allowed api | 14:07 |
| smoku_ | coderus: srsly? I know... ;-) | 14:07 |
| coderus | light version have upgrade to pro button installing first rpm | 14:07 |
| coderus | smoku_: nobody working and looking your flappy at weekend | 14:07 |
| coderus | nazanin: and it seems light rpm will be rejected too, because it contains rpm with forbidden api | 14:08 |
| nazanin | coderus: yes | 14:08 |
| coderus | lol then :) | 14:09 |
| nazanin | coderus: if it allows sideloading of untrusted softwares,then yes,it'll be rejected | 14:09 |
| coderus | i will never publish mitakuuluu to harbour :D | 14:09 |
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| nazanin | coderus: le lol :D | 14:10 |
| coderus | i will try to fool QA and so, but it seems to be never accepted :D | 14:10 |
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| Nicd- | don't try to fool QA :( | 14:10 |
| tadzik | what kind of forbidden API is it using? | 14:11 |
| tadzik | (mitakuuluu) | 14:11 |
| kor | hm. my mitäkuuluu won | 14:13 |
| kor | 't stay connected | 14:13 |
| kor | nor registered, it keeps requiring registration every few boots | 14:13 |
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| coderus | tadzik: dbus services, ngfd events, profiled configs, mce patterns, setuid root, setgid privileged, scriptlets in rpm %pre and %post, and tons of private QML imports :) | 14:14 |
| tadzik | haha, oh wow :) | 14:14 |
| coderus | kor: try to get log for harbour-mitakuuluu2-server | 14:14 |
| nazanin | coderus: it'll be quite fun to write the rejection reasons for it :P | 14:15 |
| coderus | "Application contains none of allowed parts, except graphic elements" :D | 14:18 |
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| coderus | kor: ah, i see where the bug can hides | 14:22 |
| coderus | kor: actually you can ignore registration window and restart application | 14:22 |
| coderus | i'll try to fix it soon | 14:22 |
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| smoku_ | it makes very hard to get bigger audience for any non-trivial application | 14:27 |
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| smoku_ | possibly the reason I keep seeing "this phone is crap, as there are no good apps for it" | 14:28 |
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| coderus | smoku_: aliendalvik solves this issue for Jolla :D | 14:32 |
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| tadzik | people are so concerned with apps as if they indeed need an ad delivery platform rather than a fucking phone | 14:32 |
| smoku_ | coderus: then there is "so, why exactly do I want this phone? I can run android apps on my android phone already" ;-) | 14:33 |
| numo_ | i love that i have no apps (and therefore no distractions other than calls, SMS and email) on the Jolla :) | 14:34 |
| smoku_ | tadzik: people wanting "just a fucking phone" use nokia 6610 ;-) | 14:34 |
| tadzik | well, I want a fucking phone which has maps, a media player and that I can go geocaching with :P | 14:34 |
| tadzik | but I don't need an app for every company in the world, which is presumably super useful for all the people around | 14:35 |
| artemma | IMHO, Jolla's [semi-]official point of view is 1) it's about cool UI innovations, you want to have 2) Operators/manufacturers (not end users) need customizations not possible with Android | 14:35 |
| smoku_ | numo_: typical reasoning of disabled people... "It's not that I cannot do this. It's that I do not WANT to do this." | 14:35 |
| tadzik | (rather than customizations not possible with Sailfish) | 14:35 |
| artemma | I was actually asking same question several times when doing Jolla programming courses (so, from ones already motivated ppl). Reason number two seems to be a couple of UI innovations (swipe to task manager being most important), reason number one - image of a "free" OS | 14:36 |
| tadzik | frankly, I don't see the freeness as an advantage, or rather: it does not seem to be any more free than, say, android | 14:38 |
| artemma | IMHO, real Jolla customers are operators/manufacturers, not the end users. End user satisfaction is just one good argument when doing sales to operators/manufacturers and certainly such satisfaction should be above some minimally acceptable level | 14:38 |
| smoku_ | so, where is the community's place in this picture? | 14:39 |
| tadzik | just behind the big sign saying "Stay out!" | 14:40 |
| tadzik | :P | 14:40 |
| smoku_ | free QA workforce, you don't have to pay for? | 14:40 |
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| artemma | smoku_: where is developer community place in iOS world? If you take into account that costs of running iTunes are roughly equal to amount of money Apple gets from sales ;) | 14:40 |
| smoku_ | artemma: I don't know iOS world at all | 14:41 |
| smoku_ | but judging from the content of the topic of this channel, SDK takes important place in this picture | 14:41 |
| artemma | I guess Jolla listens to the community more than older folks and adapts faster. That's it | 14:41 |
| artemma | there is also this "free OS image" that helps promoting within geeks and their friends. Jolla could utilize it more though, it seems [to me] it fades out over time | 14:42 |
| smoku_ | same trick Google pulled with AOSP? | 14:42 |
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| tadzik | yeah | 14:43 |
| artemma | I don't think Google listened to community that much.. thouh maybe I just didn't watch the area | 14:43 |
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| smoku_ | what kind of "listening to the community" do you mean? | 14:44 |
| artemma | And Google's "free OS" image was squarly targeted at manufacturers (and a bit to operartors), not to end users like Jolla | 14:44 |
| smoku_ | that Google didn't list a "community manager" position on their payroll? | 14:44 |
| artemma | smoku_: I mean Together portal and frequent OS update releases regarding to what users scream about (limited by abilities certainly) | 14:45 |
| tadzik | that's a good point | 14:45 |
| artemma | and then Jolla does use code contributed by ppl for free (don't know how much though) | 14:45 |
| tadzik | well, it's based on nemo, and nemo is an actual open source project | 14:45 |
| artemma | I mean mer and nemomobile are free projects, but not sure how much code there is being written while on Jolla's salary | 14:46 |
| smoku_ | yes... people like to be listened to... | 14:46 |
| smoku_ | one don't have to react on, but should at least listen... ;-) | 14:46 |
| locusf | artemma: the amount of code can be seen by watching nemomobile project, they write a lot of code there daily | 14:47 |
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| artemma | locusf: that's what I mean by "listening to community" too - community can contribute code directly. Just not sure how much of those "community contributions" are actually done by jolla engineers | 14:48 |
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| smoku_ | tadzik: right... closing the bootloader shows where exactly is that "Stay out!" sign | 14:50 |
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| tadzik | smoku_: well, I have heard (assumed?) that it's due to hardware andor licensing issues of sorts | 14:51 |
| * artemma wonders how much things would be different if Sailfish OS was actually 100% open (think abt all Sailfish things being donated to nemomobile). Certainly biz model would have to be significantly different, but THAT would play "free OS image" card to maximum for all geeks out there | 14:51 | |
| artemma | kind'a like N900 did | 14:51 |
| tadzik | I think they'd rather have the current business model rather than the free image for geeks | 14:52 |
| tadzik | not like N900 actually had everything open for the geeks | 14:52 |
| tadzik | they're rewriting some of the bits up to this day | 14:52 |
| smoku_ | artemma: there would be no SailfishOS. noone would fund 100% open source project. there is no money, thus ROI in it. | 14:52 |
| artemma | Jolla is a startup and a business, they got to make money or at last show for the bigger guys a reason to buy whole company. There may or may not be a way to do it when doing things 100% open | 14:52 |
| smoku_ | artemma: experience of many companies that tried before shows there is exactly 0 profit in open source model. also, common sense leads to that too | 14:54 |
| artemma | a "free OS image" could be a sales argument, but maybe not big enough | 14:54 |
| * artemma himself cares more about "open OS" than about "free OS" | 14:54 | |
| locusf | oh free as in price? | 14:55 |
| artemma | not really, as an end user I will buy a device anyway | 14:55 |
| locusf | sure Sailfish can be installed for free on selected android dedvices | 14:55 |
| artemma | or maybe buy an OS if it's cheap | 14:55 |
| tadzik | I dream of a world where I can buy an OS-free device and install whatever I want on it | 14:56 |
| tadzik | like with computers | 14:56 |
| locusf | tadzik: +1 | 14:56 |
| artemma | that is again about that buyers and users of Jolla products are actually very different people with the different interests ;) | 14:56 |
| tadzik | would be probably totally possible if not for all the bloody patents on GSM hardware | 14:56 |
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| artemma | Hard to satisfy both, you got to prioritize | 14:56 |
| smoku_ | MacOS X was cheap, yet most people pirated it rather than bought it. | 14:56 |
| artemma | smoku_: you have any stats or at least rumors behind it? | 14:57 |
| * artemma has never heard of anybody pirting MacOSX since upgrade costs fell to under $30 and it became super-easy to buy it right from the Mac | 14:57 | |
| smoku_ | artemma: comment counts under OSX torrents on piratebay. talks with my mac friends. | 14:58 |
| artemma | wow | 14:58 |
| artemma | ok, thanks, now I've heard this rumor | 14:58 |
| artemma | buying 1.5-3K laptop and skipping $30 on OS upgrade.. interesting | 14:59 |
| artemma | though updates are free since last update, aren't they? | 14:59 |
| smoku_ | makes me wonder too | 14:59 |
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| smoku_ | but of about 20+ Mac people I know, only 2 was buying their OS upgrades | 14:59 |
| smoku_ | rest just "circulated" the DVD | 15:00 |
| smoku_ | "I alrady paid so and so for the hardware - OS upgrade should be given" | 15:01 |
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| smoku_ | artemma: looks like we live in extremely different environment and values ;-) | 15:03 |
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| artemma | no, I think it's a common point of view | 15:03 |
| artemma | I just thought that price and ease of online upgrade overweight | 15:03 |
| artemma | apparently not, well, then free OS upgrade price will | 15:04 |
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| smoku_ | artemma: I mean you do not know anyone skimping on OSX price, and I could count people buying it on fingers of half of my hand | 15:05 |
| artemma | my stastics base is small, not many other mac users around | 15:05 |
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| Nicd- | I did actually buy all my OS X upgrades because they were affordable. can't say the same for all my windows licences... | 15:06 |
| smoku_ | my stats could be skewed, by fact that most of my "osx friends" moved to macs from Linux or FreeBSD | 15:06 |
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| smoku_ | and the activity under torrents with latest osx releases was comparable to latest game of thrones ;-) | 15:08 |
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| smoku_ | getting back on track... | 15:10 |
| smoku_ | with all the work on SDK and distributing and promoting SDK... | 15:10 |
| TMavica | Morpog_PC: ping | 15:10 |
| smoku_ | it's discouraging for devs writing things more complicated than simple hello-world qml game, to hit the wall of distribution | 15:12 |
| smoku_ | and doing actually cool stuff requires reaching to forbidden APIs | 15:12 |
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| smoku_ | like coderus' extremely cool stuff needs loads of these forbidden apis | 15:13 |
| Morpog_PC | TMavica, sorry closed window and lost your messages | 15:13 |
| tadzik | yeah, that's fantastically bad | 15:13 |
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| tadzik | that's what I meant by the community behind a "Stay Out" sign | 15:14 |
| tadzik | "hey, I built something fantastic that many users need!" "cheater, boo!" | 15:14 |
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| tadzik | I know, the reason is probably "those APIs are not stable and the app may break after an OS upgrade, so no" | 15:15 |
| TMavica | Morpog_PC: check message, thx | 15:15 |
| smoku_ | tadzik: Ubuntu solved this ages ago... "Application A, B and C will not work with the release you are about to upgrade to. We need to remove these before upgrading your OS. Do you want to proceed?" | 15:17 |
| tadzik | yeah, that'd be awesome | 15:18 |
| tadzik | never seen that in ubuntu, perhaps I don't use funky app s:) | 15:19 |
| smoku_ | standard behavior when using PPA repos | 15:20 |
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| smoku_ | not only Ubuntu. I'm using rpmfusion with my Fedora, and I have this kind of message every few days - uninstalling VirtualBox because of upgrading kernel from @updates, and missing vbox modules yet in @rpmfusion ;-) | 15:22 |
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| smoku_ | it means - stop update today and wait a day or two until rpmfusion catches up :) | 15:22 |
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| Naranek | I need a clock with seconds in the application cover and I'd like to code it so that it only changes when the cover is in view. It seems that Cover.Active would be the key, but all the examples use CoverBackground. | 16:24 |
| Naranek | Has anybody actually used Cover? Even the Qt Creator says Unknown component :D | 16:25 |
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| coderus | where did you saw that Cover.Active? :D | 17:24 |
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| Naranek | coderus: https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-cover.html | 17:25 |
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| coderus | it seems have typo | 17:30 |
| coderus | text: active ? "I'm active!" : "I'm sleeping" | 17:30 |
| coderus | not status == active | 17:30 |
| coderus | and qtc dont know about Cover type is okay | 17:31 |
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| Naranek | ok, but how do I use it with CoverBackground? is it cover: Cover { CoverBackground {} } | 17:32 |
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| Naranek | at least it seems to compile with that solution. | 17:35 |
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| iekku | smoku, waiting for check from legal | 17:48 |
| coderus | Naranek: no difference | 17:51 |
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| faiden | My bluetooth icon under settings next to the Data trafic icon vent missing today .. | 19:41 |
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| diverse | is this the place to ask how to install sailfish on an existing phone I have? | 20:20 |
| lukedirtwalker | diverse: no sailfishos-porters is | 20:21 |
| diverse | thanks | 20:21 |
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| smoku | is there a way to set cover for SDL application? | 21:08 |
| smoku | iekku: thx 4 info | 21:08 |
| smoku | faiden: Settings -> System -> press&hold 'Bluetooth' -> Add to favorites | 21:09 |
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| smoku | faiden: or, if you want the BT toggle there: Settings -> System -> Bluetooth -> press&hold 'Bluetooth' toggle -> Add to favorites | 21:11 |
| faiden | wow tnx smoku a new function I had not know about, odd that It only works with ethe BT icon thou. +1 for you | 21:13 |
| Turski | faiden: works with many others too | 21:13 |
| faiden | ohh it worked with everything ?D | 21:13 |
| smoku | faiden: it works with a lot of things. i.e you can add an application setting to favs ;-) | 21:13 |
| faiden | nice ty =D | 21:13 |
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| smoku | it's a very obscure feature. most people get aware of it the same way you did - when they misteriously loose BT fav ;-) | 21:14 |
| faiden | hehe yea I recon they do . I was like Wtf what did I do now! | 21:15 |
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| alin | hi... I am using the general email... imap4... and a lot of my folders are listed twice of three times | 21:36 |
| alin | is this some known issues? | 21:36 |
| alin | -s | 21:36 |
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| smoku | is there equivalent to DocumentGalleryModel in sailfish? | 22:22 |
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| tadzik | heh, if only more apps actually had settings in, well, settings :P | 22:31 |
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| smoku | tadzik: forbidden in harbour | 22:33 |
| tadzik | that's pretty fucking pointless if you ask mk | 22:33 |
| tadzik | unless it | 22:33 |
| tadzik | it's the case of an "unstable API" again | 22:33 |
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| tbr | tadzik: IIRC it had something to do with APIs or scripts that were not 'ready for use'. Don't remember the details. | 23:15 |
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