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| tortoisedoc | grr | 10:24 |
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| tortoisedoc | crappy qsettings | 10:24 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: what happened ? | 10:24 |
| tortoisedoc | well after enabling core dumps it seems quickbar crashes on sync'ing settings | 10:25 |
| tortoisedoc | BasilSemuonov was suggesting it might be due to missing parent / multple threads using qsettings | 10:26 |
| tortoisedoc | but it still happens even after adding parents | 10:26 |
| tortoisedoc | and making sure no object is used more than in one location | 10:26 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: do you have multiple threads ? | 10:27 |
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| tortoisedoc | no | 10:28 |
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| tortoisedoc | but a qml object inherits from my settings manager (which handles qsettings internally) | 10:29 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work:^ | 10:29 |
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| SK_work | can you attach a debugger ? | 10:33 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: weired | 10:33 |
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| HBP_ | hmmh strangely some aroid apps don't seem to get the location data if google mapsis,not running | 10:42 |
| HBP_ | for example swarm seems to wait for location forever if I don't start gmaps | 10:43 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work : yes, weird | 10:52 |
| tortoisedoc | crash happens in libqt5qml | 10:53 |
| tortoisedoc | which package is it in ? I could get the symbol files | 10:53 |
| tortoisedoc | backtrace says repeated stack | 10:53 |
| tortoisedoc | so most likely corrupted? | 10:53 |
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| entil | the kernel sources for the jolla aren't open yet, are they? | 10:55 |
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| tbr | entil: of course they are | 10:55 |
| tbr | just not for the two non-gpl modules | 10:56 |
| entil | I mean more open than receivable on a dvd ;) | 10:56 |
| tbr | entil: hosted on images.formeego.org | 10:56 |
| entil | maybe I googled too quickly to pay attention to all the results | 10:56 |
| tbr | brb | 10:56 |
| entil | sweet | 10:57 |
| entil | the latest release isn't up on http://images.formeego.org/jolla/sources/ | 10:59 |
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| tbr | entil: will poke carsten when he's back from vacation | 11:06 |
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| entil | sure, no worries | 11:10 |
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| entil | had to spread the evangelism, that's all :) | 11:10 |
| tortoisedoc | ยดยจรค | 11:11 |
| entil | tbr: out of interest, if someone wanted to compile a custom kernel for the jolla, is that package enough, if it doesn't come with all the drivers? | 11:11 |
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| tbr | entil: yes, you can still load the binary modules | 11:12 |
| entil | cool | 11:12 |
| tbr | entil: you will need to ensure though that the kernel has the exact same ID, else the modules will fail to load | 11:12 |
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| entil | sailfishos does insmod -f by default like? | 11:12 |
| entil | oh | 11:12 |
| tbr | at least the wifi module does some stupid additional checking IIRC | 11:13 |
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| entil | is the kernel id something else than what's in uname? | 11:13 |
| entil | and have people been doing that, compiling custom kernels? | 11:14 |
| tbr | yeah, the stuff from uname essentially | 11:15 |
| entil | like android has cyanogenmod | 11:15 |
| tbr | there is nemo mobile if you mean a fully open source and very similar environment | 11:16 |
| entil | myeah | 11:16 |
| entil | well, if someone had an actually better kernel, I might consider that, but I'm not going to change the os altogether | 11:17 |
| tbr | what is a "better kernel" | 11:17 |
| entil | like bfs on a desktop | 11:17 |
| tbr | what is bfs? | 11:18 |
| entil | an alternative scheduler, maybe the dev blog's the best place to read up http://ck-hack.blogspot.fi/ | 11:18 |
| entil | http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/bfs-faq.txt | 11:18 |
| tbr | the device is confined to this one vendor-oem-frankenkernel, there won't be several kernels, the most that could ever be would be patches on top of that | 11:19 |
| tbr | BFS is not a kernel, it's a patch. | 11:19 |
| entil | sure, bfs is a patch, but I don't know exactly how intrusive it is, whether or not it'd apply | 11:19 |
| entil | or if it'd give the same kind of benefit on the jolla | 11:19 |
| tbr | try and find out | 11:20 |
| entil | but that's what I was asking about, if people have patches that make a better kernel and if someone's doing it :D | 11:20 |
| entil | I might, but I'm happy with the phone as it is | 11:20 |
| entil | got a meeting in 10 minutes, got to go. thanks for the info! -> | 11:21 |
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| SK_work | tortoisedoc: qt5-qtdeclarative something like that for qt5qml debug package | 11:52 |
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| tortoisedoc | can pkcon find the package for a certain library? | 12:05 |
| merlin1991 | Of an already installed library or one you know the name of? | 12:17 |
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| HBP_ | gnnh I think loading closed source modules that are compiled against some other kernel version is quite bad, as it's generally unsupported :| I'd rather do closed stuff in user space. | 13:00 |
| HBP_ | at least latter is approximately what we are doing at my work place and it feels more correct for me. | 13:00 |
| HBP_ | BSDs is a different story then | 13:01 |
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| tbr | HBP_: it is not a different kernel version though, especially not if you don't mess with the interfaces used by those modules | 13:15 |
| tbr | it's just a rebuild of the same kernel | 13:15 |
| tbr | but yes, binary modules suck and must die | 13:15 |
| HBP_ | yeah | 13:16 |
| tbr | I was hoping to have seen the last of that back in the 2.4.19 days, but noooo | 13:16 |
| HBP_ | ooor... there could be a proper abi like in freeBSD | 13:16 |
| HBP_ | but that's not something anyone would like to implement for linux | 13:16 |
| tbr | I'd be very surprised to see something like that merged | 13:16 |
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| benna | Hi everyone, I'm trying to install a package via pkcon but I get an error... is this the right place to ask? | 14:36 |
| Eztran | Here or #jollamobile generally, this is often used for dev issues and that for general talk, but it's hardly clear-cut. What's the error? | 14:37 |
| benna | ok thanks! I'm trying to install cups and it says "nothing provides /sbin/chkconfig" | 14:40 |
| benna | and the error is still there even if the file exists | 14:40 |
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| Eztran | the chkconfig package should provide it, presumably. | 14:45 |
| Eztran | Is that present (regardless of the file being there or not)? | 14:45 |
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| benna | there is not such a package, jolla runs on systemd | 14:46 |
| benna | I wrote a bash script that converts chkconfig calls to systemctl calls and symlinked it in place, but as said it didn't solve the error | 14:47 |
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| benna | I guess it has something to do with the cups package | 14:47 |
| tbr | sounds like the cups package is broken then | 14:48 |
| tbr | where did you get the cups package? | 14:48 |
| Eztran | So the package depends on one providing chkconfig (i.e. the chkconfig package)? | 14:48 |
| benna | I run pkcon | 14:48 |
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| benna | it is in the repo | 14:48 |
| Eztran | There is actually an rpm of chkconfig on NeilDK's OpenRepos repo, which should at least satisfy the dependency. Shouldn't be necessary though - why is a version of cups available which requires that package anyway? | 14:49 |
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| benna | devel-su pkcon install cups | 14:56 |
| benna | resolving dependencies... fatal error: nothing provides /sbin/chkconfig needed by cups-1.5.3.1.1.3.arm7hl | 14:57 |
| Eztran | FWIW, chkconfig is available at https://openrepos.net/sites/default/files/packages/500/chkconfig-1.3.61-2.armv7hl.rpm . As you say, rather pointless on Sailfish, but having it present should stop pkcon complaining and then you can use you script, I guess. | 15:00 |
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| Eztran | That or maybe have a dummy package which has Provides for /sbin/chkconfig, I suppose. | 15:01 |
| benna | now is /sbin/service | 15:08 |
| benna | chkconfig worked | 15:08 |
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| benna | any idea about what pprovides /sbin/service? | 15:16 |
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| smoku_ | benna: just "pkcon download . cups" and then "rpm -i --force cups*.rpm" ;-) | 15:21 |
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| benna | smoku_: thanks but it keeps failing because of lots of unmet dependencies | 15:27 |
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| tortoisedoc | for the record: | 16:46 |
| tortoisedoc | my problem with qsettings turned out to be caused by something elde | 16:47 |
| tortoisedoc | *else | 16:47 |
| tortoisedoc | oh and btw | 16:47 |
| tortoisedoc | new release for Quickbar is on openrepos :) | 16:47 |
| tortoisedoc | *New in version 0.14-68 (saari) Saari was supposed to be a patch fix for merenranta, instead it ended up including a new feature (device lock support), hence it got upgraded to stand-alone release. Device lock mode supported! Tentative (optimistic) fix for random crashs Linked swipe/non swipe checkbox "checked" properties (missing) | 16:47 |
| tortoisedoc | urgh | 16:47 |
| tortoisedoc | sorry for this | 16:47 |
| tortoisedoc | https://openrepos.net/content/giuliettasw/quickbar-beta | 16:47 |
| tortoisedoc | this was the correct post :P | 16:47 |
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| tortoisedoc | giucam : your wayland workaround works btw | 16:53 |
| tortoisedoc | very nicely :) | 16:53 |
| tortoisedoc | now if I can find a way for my quickbar window to be notified with events from another window it will be excellent | 16:54 |
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| giucam | tortoisedoc: cool. i'm not sure i remember what the problem was but i'm glad it works :) | 17:14 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 17:14 |
| tortoisedoc | giucam : bug in qt5 related to render thread using old wayland buffer to render | 17:15 |
| tortoisedoc | you gave a workaround in forcing the view to be false (in frameswap) | 17:15 |
| giucam | ah, yes | 17:15 |
| tortoisedoc | that pays for a place on my thank you list ;) | 17:15 |
| tortoisedoc | giucam : is there no interface in wayland for a surface to be notified of events occouring on another surface? | 17:17 |
| giucam | tortoisedoc: what events? | 17:17 |
| tortoisedoc | touch /visibility / etc events | 17:17 |
| giucam | tortoisedoc: no. that'd break client isolation and as such would be a security issue | 17:17 |
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| tortoisedoc | giucam : makes sense | 17:18 |
| giucam | right, now i remember. you'd want to know when the lockscreen is swapped away, right?^ | 17:19 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah for example | 17:20 |
| tortoisedoc | currently i rely on dbus | 17:20 |
| tortoisedoc | but it is a bit laggish | 17:20 |
| tortoisedoc | (for this particular case) | 17:20 |
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| tortoisedoc | I have some ideas on how this could be made better | 17:23 |
| tortoisedoc | however, I hope jolla will listen and provide some tools as I would rather avoid going over that road :) | 17:23 |
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| giucam | well, what are these ideas? :) | 17:24 |
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| tortoisedoc | im not sure yet :P | 17:26 |
| giucam | :D | 17:27 |
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| tortoisedoc | i am tempted to add plugin support | 18:04 |
| tortoisedoc | to quickbar | 18:04 |
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| M4rtinK | tortoisedoc: extensibility FTW! :) | 18:26 |
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| Znurre__ | heya, how can I force landscape orientation for an app if I am not using the ApplicationWindow and Page components? | 18:30 |
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| w00t_ | Znurre__: rotate your drawing | 18:31 |
| Znurre__ | w00t_: how about close/minimize gestures then? :) | 18:32 |
| w00t_ | call QWindow::reportContentOrientationChange | 18:34 |
| Znurre__ | thanks a lot! :) | 18:34 |
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| tortoisedoc | M4rtinK : exactly :) and would probably gather more focus from jolla :) | 18:46 |
| tortoisedoc | i.e. we could most likely improve integration | 18:48 |
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| HtheB | coderus: yo | 18:56 |
| HtheB | ping :) | 18:57 |
| M4rtinK | tortoisedoc: I'm thinking about a "find me the nearest pizza" button :) | 19:06 |
| tortoisedoc | lol | 19:06 |
| tortoisedoc | M4rtinK: that sounds something for an account plugin :P | 19:06 |
| tortoisedoc | great idea :) | 19:06 |
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| coderus | HtheB: pong | 19:07 |
| HtheB | its offtopic, but can you help me for something? :) | 19:07 |
| coderus | HtheB: just ask and i;ll answer if can | 19:08 |
| HtheB | pm'ed :) | 19:08 |
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| M4rtinK | tortoisedoc: more like calling modRana with a --local-search=pizza parameter :) | 19:10 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 19:11 |
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| tortoisedoc | surely being able to order a pizza from your jolla's lockscreen with one button is pretty 4w3z0m3 | 19:28 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 19:28 |
| M4rtinK | well, I don't really mean order | 19:31 |
| M4rtinK | but that would be kinda cool :) | 19:31 |
| M4rtinK | getting pizza at random times when it activates itself in your pocket :) | 19:32 |
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| M4rtinK | on a more serious note time is critical when looking for a restaurant for a lunch or dinner for a group of people | 19:33 |
| M4rtinK | it is basically a race who can find it first using their local knowledge or mobile phones | 19:33 |
| tortoisedoc | M4rtinK : not if you use the swiping option :P | 19:33 |
| M4rtinK | so a dedicated button on the lockscreen might help you win such a "race" :) | 19:34 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 19:35 |
| tortoisedoc | i think i will focus on favourites next | 19:36 |
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| tortoisedoc | that should be easier than plugins and achieve the same result (of having a button to order pizza from your lockscreen) | 19:37 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah :) | 19:37 |
| tortoisedoc | giucam : XDG-Shell not supported in qtwayland / mer as of yet? | 19:39 |
| giucam | tortoisedoc: it is partially supported in qtwaylande client side, however not in server side | 19:39 |
| giucam | tortoisedoc: and anyway it doesn't really make sense for a smartphone ui | 19:39 |
| tortoisedoc | giucam : ah ok :) | 19:44 |
| tortoisedoc | giucam: how so? (doesnt make sense I mean) | 19:44 |
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| tworaz | Hi, anyone interested in beta testing sailfish port of Google VoltAir game? | 20:10 |
| tadzik | tworaz, hi! | 20:10 |
| tadzik | sure I am | 20:10 |
| tworaz | I've ported the game, but don't really have the time to test it :P | 20:10 |
| tadzik | never heard of VoltAir tho | 20:10 |
| tadzik | I can give it a shot on tomorrow's commute :) | 20:10 |
| tworaz | http://google.github.io/VoltAir/doc/main/html/index.html | 20:11 |
| tworaz | http://www.tworaz.net/downloads/jolla/VoltAir/harbour-voltair-1.0.0-1.armv7hl.rpm | 20:11 |
| tworaz | I've finished a couple of initial levels, but that's it | 20:12 |
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| smoku | tworaz: put it on OpenRepos and you'll have loads of feedback :) | 20:15 |
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| tadzik | hah, rpm opened in c:geo, wtf | 20:16 |
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| tworaz | smoku: the plan is upload it to harbour, I don't see a point in having it in two different places | 20:17 |
| tadzik | tworaz: it seems to be lagging every now and then, especially sound, but it seems to work alright aside from that | 20:20 |
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| smoku | tworaz: put it on OpenRepos, gather feedback, remove from OpenRepos once accepted to Harbour | 20:21 |
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| M4rtinK | smoku: actually I think it is not a bad idea to have it in both if possible :) | 20:25 |
| M4rtinK | this might give an application a bit bigger exposure | 20:26 |
| M4rtinK | and unlike Harbour there is no QA delay in OpenRepos | 20:26 |
| smoku | M4rtinK: you think there are sailfish users that have warehouse installed and do not have jolla store installed? | 20:27 |
| M4rtinK | so stuff like releasing to OpenRepos first and pushing to Harbour if nothing breaks is possible | 20:27 |
| tworaz | QA delay is not so bad for harbour | 20:27 |
| smoku | I like the idea of using OpenRepos for beta-testing before Harbour release though :) | 20:27 |
| M4rtinK | well I think that at least currently many people don't really care about Harbour | 20:27 |
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| M4rtinK | I haven't look in it in months | 20:28 |
| M4rtinK | but I check Warehouse regularly | 20:28 |
| tworaz | completely opposite here | 20:28 |
| tworaz | I don't care about Warehouse at all | 20:28 |
| smoku | none of my apps meets harbour restrictions ;-) | 20:28 |
| M4rtinK | might get better once you can actually submit apps that do something to Harbour :) | 20:28 |
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| smoku | kind of hard when most usefull APIs are banned from harbour ;-) | 20:30 |
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| tworaz | tadzik: I'm aware of the lag, I'm not 100% sure but it might be related to how the engine updates it's logic | 20:30 |
| tworaz | tadzik: original port uses functionality only present in Qt 5.3 which is not available on sailfish, yet | 20:31 |
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| tworaz | smoku: most useful apis are available via dbus which is not restricted, yet | 20:32 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | tworaz: +1 for voltair efforts... | 20:33 |
| M4rtinK | well for one I need Python :) | 20:34 |
| M4rtinK | and that's not yet supported due to the Jolla Store not yet supporting API versioning | 20:34 |
| M4rtinK | the people using SDL are basically in the same boat | 20:34 |
| lukedirtwalker | Hm anyone uses a Slider with valueText ? For me the valueText isn't shown | 20:34 |
| tadzik | tworaz: ah, I see | 20:34 |
| smoku | tworaz: or reading /sys yourself. but reimplementing/including half of the OS in your app is not really the point... | 20:35 |
| M4rtinK | other than that everything is ready - the needed libraries have been in the repos for months and are used by many non-store apps already | 20:35 |
| tworaz | tadzik: One interesting thing however is the lag in the app menus, it's kind of strange because it's pure qml | 20:36 |
| tworaz | M4rtinK: The question is how stable ABI those libraries have | 20:37 |
| tworaz | M4rtinK: Imagine a situation where salfish 2.0 upgrades those libs and half of harbour apps stop working | 20:38 |
| M4rtinK | well, I wouldn't be afraid in this case :) | 20:39 |
| M4rtinK | both Python and SDL are widely used mature projects and are API stable | 20:39 |
| tworaz | If you have only open source apps it's not a problem | 20:39 |
| M4rtinK | and the Python <-> QtQuick 2.0 bindings are even written by Jollas thp :) | 20:39 |
| M4rtinK | tworaz: well, yeah - API stability is not easy to handle well | 20:40 |
| tworaz | the question is which python version, 2.x and 3.x are not exactly compatible | 20:40 |
| * smoku contemplates Android's 17 API levels... | 20:40 | |
| M4rtinK | tworaz: we talked about it on the community roundtable on FOSDEM - there is really no silver bullet solving everything without any downsides | 20:41 |
| M4rtinK | 3 of course :) | 20:41 |
| M4rtinK | smoku: I advice you to check the mess of random files Android uses to implement it :) | 20:42 |
| tworaz | jolla is not that bad in regards of what libraries are available, tizen is worse, only HTML5 | 20:42 |
| smoku | M4rtinK: no thanks... I know Android development from beer-stories only. and even that is enough | 20:42 |
| M4rtinK | tworaz: IIRc that is no longer true | 20:43 |
| M4rtinK | tworaz: was like this initially but was changed to HTML5 & native and there is even a community port of Qt 5 | 20:43 |
| tadzik | Well, Firefox OS is still HTML5 onl | 20:43 |
| tadzik | -y | 20:43 |
| tadzik | and I don't think they intend to change that | 20:44 |
| M4rtinK | tworaz: but things might have changed - the Tizen project has always been very very chaotic | 20:44 |
| M4rtinK | tadzik: that's why I don't like Firefox OS :) | 20:44 |
| tworaz | M4rtinK: community not official, I work with the guy responsible for it, he'd like to see it made official | 20:44 |
| M4rtinK | tadzik: dropping all the existing libraries and rewriting all in shitty Javascript - yeah, right :P | 20:45 |
| M4rtinK | tworaz: I really wonder why it is not officially supported | 20:45 |
| M4rtinK | same thing on Android | 20:46 |
| M4rtinK | considering how shitty the current options are on these platforms | 20:46 |
| M4rtinK | the only reason I can think of is attempted vendor lockin or incompetence :) | 20:46 |
| tworaz | M4tinK: Can't tell, but samsung still seems to invest a lot in EFL | 20:46 |
| tadzik | M4rtinK: hehe, I await the moment when someone implements Qt on HTML5 canvas so we can deprecate this whole thing :P | 20:47 |
| M4rtinK | tworaz: IIRC they are shipping fridges running EFL and maybe also something else | 20:47 |
| M4rtinK | tworaz: but they lost rasterman, the main EFL contributor some time ago | 20:47 |
| M4rtinK | due to some disagreements IIRC | 20:47 |
| tworaz | M4tinK: HTML5 apps run on WebKitEFL port | 20:47 |
| M4rtinK | that IMHO limits the credibility of them really pushing EFL | 20:48 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, GTK3 apps can run on a HTML5 :) | 20:48 |
| M4rtinK | it is called "Broadway": https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/gtk-broadway.html | 20:49 |
| tworaz | rasterman is employed by samsung | 20:49 |
| smoku | M4rtinK: "shitty" is a bit harsh... JavaScript is the new C | 20:49 |
| M4rtinK | I seem to remember him quitting some time ago | 20:49 |
| tadzik | well, I'm this sole person in the universe that prefers Gtk to Qt actually :) | 20:50 |
| tadzik | but that might be because I detest C++ | 20:50 |
| M4rtinK | smoku: well I don't mean using Javascript for simple pieces of functionality in QML | 20:51 |
| M4rtinK | smoku: but everything else gets crazy FAST | 20:51 |
| tadzik | well, I wouldn't say it's the new C | 20:52 |
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| M4rtinK | tadzik: GTK has some things Qt does not, like the automatic binding generation thanks to GObject introspection | 20:52 |
| tadzik | I haven't seen many languages being compiled to C because C is fucking disgusting | 20:52 |
| smoku | M4rtinK: me too. C was a revolution, as it was first popular portable assembly. same is now with javascript - higher languages compile to javascript, which in turn gets compiled to browser native | 20:53 |
| M4rtinK | tadzik: Vala :) | 20:53 |
| tadzik | that's one, not many :) | 20:53 |
| smoku | tadzik: C++ was developed as a set of C macros ;P | 20:53 |
| tadzik | and Vala is there to stop people from using C#, not because C is stupid :) | 20:53 |
| tadzik | smoku: I know, but I still think it's all a bit different :) | 20:54 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, C++, that reminds me: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/I_did_it_for_you_all :) | 20:54 |
| smoku | tadzik: in practice it's not that different. seen http://asmjs.org/faq.html ? | 20:55 |
| tadzik | yeah, I know about it. But it's still all built on javascript, and that's unlikely to go away | 20:57 |
| tadzik | with C you can just generate binary code from anything you want, as long as you stick to the same calling conventions | 20:57 |
| tadzik | so, you might say that JS is the new assembly, as horrifying as that sounds. I wouldn't say it's the new C | 20:57 |
| tadzik | the difference I see is that modern languages don't have to deal with C's limitations | 20:58 |
| smoku | like C calling convention? ;-) | 20:58 |
| tadzik | oh you :P | 20:59 |
| tadzik | still, only if the interact with C libraries | 20:59 |
| smoku | potato potato | 20:59 |
| tadzik | I know, I know | 20:59 |
| smoku | I'm sure you got my point, and I get your concerns :-) | 21:00 |
| tadzik | right :) | 21:00 |
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| tworaz | It'd be actually interesting to have a good HTML5 runtime on sailfish | 21:04 |
| smoku | phonegap? | 21:04 |
| tadzik | and fxos compatibility layer even, perhaps? | 21:04 |
| tworaz | current WebKit port is rather bad | 21:04 |
| tadzik | that'd be an interesting experience | 21:04 |
| tworaz | or crosswalk | 21:04 |
| tworaz | smoku: phonegap is a HTML5/js framework, we'd need a good runtime first | 21:07 |
| tworaz | something that has much better peformance than QWebKit or jolla gecko port | 21:08 |
| M4rtinK | I'we talked with a few people using Phonegap | 21:09 |
| M4rtinK | and they told me their experience with it was not very positive | 21:09 |
| smoku | tworaz: they have their own, performance tuned html runtime | 21:10 |
| * artemma can hardly understand how one could make a good HTML5 framework with a browser that takes seconds to scroll a Google Doc (or name any other complex page you fancy) | 21:10 | |
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| smoku | QWebKit sucks - we know it. but Digia promised QWebEngine (blink based) in Qt 5.4 | 21:11 |
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| artemma | Was Jolla thinking to switch to WebKit/Engine? :/ I thought they are fixed on mozilla stuff | 21:11 |
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| * smoku was sure they burned on embedding gecko in Maemo5 and they wouldn't repeat that mistake | 21:12 | |
| tworaz | QWebKit is a dead end | 21:13 |
| tworaz | Qt port was removed from upstream webkit | 21:13 |
| tworaz | so I don't think it's a good idea to invest in it, QWebEngine sounds like a better option | 21:14 |
| artemma | heh | 21:14 |
| tworaz | it's actually possible to compile chromium for sailfish | 21:14 |
| tworaz | I did it for the emulator | 21:15 |
| * artemma hopes process isolation will come at some point. Any browser is sure to be resource intensive at times. /me hates when it freezes the whole system, especially ability to swipe browser off to task manager | 21:15 | |
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| smoku | does anyone know whether I can grab volume keys in SDL app, like on Maemo? | 21:23 |
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| lukedirtwalker | Damn Slider why u no show valueText :@ | 22:01 |
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| M4rtinK | smoku: https://together.jolla.com/question/9318/using-the-volume-rocker-from-native-sailfish-applications/ | 22:17 |
| M4rtinK | last response is from January, nothing since then :) | 22:18 |
| M4rtinK | feel fry to push it, maybe someone finally notices it :) | 22:18 |
| M4rtinK | *feel free | 22:18 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, I would also like to use the volume keys like on Maemo for zooming the map in and out in modRana :) | 22:19 |
| M4rtinK | or paging in Mieru once I get to actually porting it to Sailfish :) | 22:19 |
| coderus | M4rtinK: isnt modrana using quick? | 22:20 |
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| smoku | M4rtinK: yeah! +1 | 22:22 |
| M4rtinK | coderus: you can use it in QtQuick ? | 22:24 |
| coderus | sure | 22:24 |
| coderus | import Sailfish.Media 1.0 | 22:24 |
| coderus | and use MediaKey {} | 22:25 |
| smoku | M4rtinK: I dodn't know volume is used for shutter in camera. then there is definitely an API for this use case. we may need to go for the formal "make API available" request. like https://together.jolla.com/question/51602/api-discussion-ambience-dbus-api/ | 22:25 |
| M4rtinK | oh, nice! :) | 22:25 |
| M4rtinK | coderus: thanks! :) | 22:26 |
| M4rtinK | coderus: then it should be easy to add to modRana :) | 22:26 |
| coderus | there is key property for key codes, you can use Qt.Key_VolumeUp for example | 22:27 |
| coderus | and onPressed / onReleased | 22:27 |
| lukedirtwalker | coderus: Thanks :) can use this as well. I've looked into the audio player myself and never realized I can use it as well | 22:27 |
| coderus | but it probably require import org.nemomobile.policy 1.0 | 22:27 |
| M4rtinK | smoku: sure, definitely a good candidate for an API request | 22:28 |
| coderus | with following: http://paste.kde.org/p3eh4u8uj | 22:28 |
| coderus | and then you can set enabled: keysResource.acquired to MediaKey | 22:28 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, I've learned how to handle failed imports & how to load a fake module instead | 22:28 |
| M4rtinK | without the application blowing up | 22:29 |
| coderus | use component in sove variable and read error | 22:29 |
| lukedirtwalker | yaou can also look into AudioPlayer.qml There they use a lot of MediaKeys | 22:29 |
| coderus | doesn't losd component to page property :) | 22:29 |
| coderus | in some variable* | 22:29 |
| M4rtinK | using the same technique the API should be actually safe to use even for Harbour :) | 22:30 |
| M4rtinK | coderus: exactly :) | 22:30 |
| coderus | M4rtinK: afaik Sailfish.Media and org.nemomobile.policy are not allowed at the moment | 22:30 |
| coderus | but you can load it brom b64 :) | 22:30 |
| M4rtinK | coderus: plus for location I have a FakePositioning element, so everything works as usual even if there actually is no QtPositioning module installed :) | 22:31 |
| coderus | loadComponent(btoa("base64")) ,+ voila :) | 22:31 |
| coderus | M4rtinK: why not to add positioning to application depends? :D | 22:31 |
| M4rtinK | coderus: well, I think as long as the app does not blow up if it is not present | 22:31 |
| M4rtinK | coderus: I think it would be a good argument if you wanted to argue with them :) | 22:32 |
| coderus | i dont understand what you mean :D | 22:32 |
| M4rtinK | coderus: well, I have the Fake mostly for running on desktop Linux | 22:32 |
| coderus | okay :) | 22:32 |
| M4rtinK | where Positioning might not be installed | 22:32 |
| coderus | reasonable now | 22:32 |
| M4rtinK | regarding the allowed/unallowed API | 22:33 |
| M4rtinK | my interpretation is that as long as the application works with reduced functionality when the API is not available | 22:33 |
| M4rtinK | it should be allowed in | 22:33 |
| coderus | you mean to harbour? | 22:34 |
| M4rtinK | their interpretation might be different (like but-we-want-to-just-use-a-regexp-to-do-the-QA) | 22:34 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah | 22:34 |
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| coderus | what the reduced functionality you mean? | 22:35 |
| M4rtinK | say media key presses not doing anything in the app | 22:35 |
| M4rtinK | but the app running otherwise normally | 22:35 |
| coderus | imho if you want to make it working you should make hacks to make it working in all cases :) | 22:36 |
| M4rtinK | well it would work :) | 22:36 |
| coderus | and there is nothing about harbour qa | 22:36 |
| coderus | i can't make same for mitakuuluu :( | 22:36 |
| M4rtinK | if they remove the API you would still need to update it in Warehouse so you would also push the update to Harbour, etc. | 22:37 |
| coderus | there are many hacks not just unallowed qml imports :D | 22:37 |
| M4rtinK | still I think this will happen sooner or later | 22:37 |
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| M4rtinK | that developers would need to solve that | 22:37 |
| coderus | M4rtinK: sure | 22:37 |
| coderus | there are many unfinished apis | 22:37 |
| M4rtinK | * they can submit an application to Harbour but with limited functionality | 22:37 |
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| M4rtinK | * or to Warehouse with full functionality | 22:38 |
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| coderus | as rpm sideloading "allowed" you can publish lite version to harbour and make button upgrading to full version :) | 22:38 |
| M4rtinK | * or a third option: making it fail gracefully if the unualowed-APIs are removed | 22:39 |
| M4rtinK | and I wonder what will Harbour QA say about the third option | 22:39 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, LOL :D | 22:39 |
| M4rtinK | "Download the installer/wizzard from Harbour" :D | 22:39 |
| M4rtinK | I think that might work surprisingly well :D | 22:40 |
| coderus | M4rtinK: they can say nothing, because regexpvfinished with no errors, your application cpu and memory usage is okay and it's not crashing | 22:40 |
| M4rtinK | you could even ditch any bundling like this | 22:40 |
| coderus | => everything okay for harbour qa | 22:40 |
| M4rtinK | :D | 22:40 |
| M4rtinK | you could just publish a harbour-mitakuuluu-installer | 22:41 |
| smoku | that's what I suggested for Warehouse - that we should have Warehouse-installler in Harbour ;-) | 22:41 |
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| M4rtinK | which would just install libmitakuuluu, mitakuuluu-core, mitakuuluu-gui, mitakuuluu-theme & mitakuuluu-doc | 22:42 |
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| M4rtinK | nice and clean :) | 22:43 |
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