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| xth | (sorry for not reading everything above) how does the Jolla Headquarters decide it's time to update? Yesterday I've only read some faint news about upcoming update, and here it goes, new and glorious | 01:19 |
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| Juuba | hmm, i get an error in the warehouse after Jolla update 8 | 05:47 |
| Juuba | Transaction /983_abdacbba | 05:47 |
| Juuba | Status: not-authorized | 05:47 |
| Juuba | details: Failed to obtain authentication | 05:47 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't there a PSA on such changes in sailfish-devel? | 05:49 |
| Juuba | what/where? :D | 05:50 |
| Juuba | PSA I understand but.... | 05:50 |
| * Stskeeps tries to find.. | 05:51 | |
| Stskeeps | ok, i can't find it right now | 05:51 |
| Juuba | tried googling that error ID but nada. | 05:54 |
| Juuba | hmm | 05:56 |
| Juuba | do i need to allow unsigned.. or what was it | 05:56 |
| Juuba | untrusted software, but yeah, it was "enabled" | 05:57 |
| Stskeeps | https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-June/004529.html | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | Changes to RPM side-loading and packagekit authorization | 05:59 |
| tbr | well warehouse is not exactly jolla territory, might want to check in with the OR people | 05:59 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | just hinting in right direction where the change was made | 05:59 |
| kaltsi | this might be relevant https://together.jolla.com/question/50277/openrepos-problems-with-10819/ | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | BasilSemuonov: ^ | 05:59 |
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| * Stskeeps is getting a bit slow at his game and is looking forward to vacation on friday.. :P | 06:00 | |
| kaltsi | me too :) | 06:01 |
| Stskeeps | i guess there's three phases of vacation, pre-vacation slowness (omg i wish i was on vacation); vacation; post-vacation stress | 06:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:01 |
| tbr | and within vacation you lose the first week on trying to shed work related thoughts | 06:02 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, good point, i should stock up on alcohol .. :P | 06:02 |
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| Juuba | thanks Stskeeps | 06:10 |
| Juuba | or kaltsi | 06:10 |
| Juuba | ty anyways :D | 06:10 |
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| BasilSemuonov | Stskeeps, already answered (-: | 06:24 |
| Stskeeps | okiedokie | 06:24 |
| * Stskeeps is a bit out of touch :) | 06:24 | |
| BasilSemuonov | still waiting for the update tho :/ | 06:25 |
| Nicd- | sdk update today? | 06:25 |
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| BasilSemuonov | Nicd-, at 12 UTC | 06:28 |
| Nicd- | woo \o/ | 06:28 |
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| cameris | I have ListView inside a Flickable, so that Flickables PageHeader is always seen. Sometimes if I flick down inside the ListView, Flickables PullDownMenu opens, even if ListView is not on the first Item. Is there a way to prevent that? | 06:48 |
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| coderus | lol, bug "ComboBox with >6 menuItems does not trigger onClicked" was fixed in update8 :D | 07:03 |
| coderus | cameris: set pressDelay: 0 to both SilicaFlickable and SilicaListView | 07:07 |
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| coderus | peoples like *solving* problems with root. so sad :( (via https://together.jolla.com/question/50277/openrepos-problems-with-10819/#post-id-50286) | 07:10 |
| cameris | coderus: thx, works after a quick test. Why does it work with pressDelay? | 07:11 |
| coderus | cameris: because of pulley menus inside silica components :) | 07:13 |
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| cameris | coderus: could I bother you with another question? In the ListView I can reorder my items. In order to keep the dragged item on top of the others, I reparent it to the ListView. I have done this with MouseArea and it worked perfect, but since I need pressAndHold for menus I moved the reordering to a PinchArea. problem with this is, that the reparenting moves the dragged item to the top of the screen, so it is no longer under my | 07:22 |
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| stephg | morning | 07:27 |
| Juuba | hmm, android environment changed aswell... the back button was only visible when there was only | 07:28 |
| Juuba | or not, there is only the Back button now. | 07:28 |
| stephg | yep | 07:28 |
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| Juuba | sooo, how do I close the apps? no need to ? | 07:31 |
| Nicd- | like normal sailfish apps? | 07:33 |
| Juuba | OOOOOO! | 07:34 |
| Juuba | I didn't notice that they opened up like that now | 07:34 |
| Juuba | O.O | 07:34 |
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| Juuba | progress, 'tis a wonder. | 07:34 |
| stephg | Juuba: didn't you read the release notes ;) | 07:36 |
| stephg | yes they open like that now :) | 07:36 |
| Juuba | i skimmed them | 07:37 |
| Juuba | didn't notice | 07:37 |
| Juuba | now i'm ashamed to see it as the FIRST frikkin item | 07:38 |
| stephg | hehe | 07:38 |
| Juuba | on another note... still the Browser takes ages to load the first URL of the "day" | 07:39 |
| Juuba | i.e After opening Browser, the first page load takes ages | 07:39 |
| Juuba | at least on Mobile data | 07:39 |
| Nicd- | that has been happening since the last update | 07:41 |
| Juuba | jep | 07:41 |
| Juuba | just hoped that it would have been fixed in this | 07:41 |
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| Juuba | has this been added to internal bug-system https://together.jolla.com/question/48103/bug-jolla-browser-first-page-load-takes-a-while/ | 07:42 |
| Juuba | bug tracker* | 07:42 |
| cameris | Here is a pastebin of my current (messy) test file: http://pastebin.com/9xF8E5fN . If anyone can help me to prevent the movement to top of the screen when reparenting my dragged item, I would be grateful. | 07:44 |
| Juuba | oh yeah, I have opened it in github: https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/issues/161 | 07:47 |
| cos- | i also noticed that in browser some large images (ebay with many photos) are not shown completely. | 07:47 |
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| kaltsi | Juuba: I don't know anything about that browser problem.. do you use mobile data or wifi? | 08:08 |
| Juuba | mobi | 08:08 |
| Juuba | i'll update the ticket | 08:09 |
| kaltsi | I just tested it with wifi and the jolla.com page loads as fast as it can without delays | 08:09 |
| Juuba | try e.g m.veikkaus.fi ? | 08:09 |
| Juuba | i usually use browser to check vr.fi | 08:10 |
| Juuba | and in a Hurry, that f*ing delay is annoying as hell :) | 08:10 |
| Juuba | :D | 08:10 |
| Juuba | 'xcuse my language | 08:10 |
| kaltsi | :) | 08:10 |
| kaltsi | immediate load on veikkaus.fi | 08:11 |
| Juuba | okay, i will check with WIFI, sec | 08:11 |
| kaltsi | I wonder could it be some location check or something like that | 08:11 |
| kaltsi | gps thingy | 08:11 |
| cos- | on wifi pages seem to load reasonably fast | 08:11 |
| Juuba | yeah | 08:11 |
| Juuba | no such delay on WLAN | 08:12 |
| Scelt | maybe mobile data needs to warmup a while | 08:12 |
| kaltsi | also with mobile now (sonera) it loaded quickly.. perhaps 1-2 seconds of delay before the loading bar started moving | 08:12 |
| kaltsi | oh.. but I didn't open the link from another application | 08:12 |
| kimmoli | i noticed a dealy with my rate-limited 3g connection, no delay with non-limited one (both saunalahti) | 08:13 |
| Juuba | i have sonera 4G as well | 08:13 |
| Scelt | at least for me it seems so. Like mobile data is in sleep or something and when you open up the screen, choose browser and load a page, it takes few seconds to first connect and then open the page | 08:13 |
| Juuba | dunno what the reason is, just annoying :D | 08:13 |
| Juuba | and it mostly _seems_ to affect the browser | 08:13 |
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| Scelt | Juuba: +1 | 08:13 |
| Juuba | maybe android FB app's loading time hides the issue | 08:13 |
| Juuba | solution: add loading time to Browser. | 08:14 |
| Juuba | :D | 08:14 |
| kaltsi | opening a humblebundle link from the mail application took about 5 seconds before the progress bar started moving | 08:14 |
| Juuba | with random status messages | 08:14 |
| Juuba | kaltsi: that is it. | 08:14 |
| kaltsi | ahaa.. in tjc you say 10-30 seconds :) | 08:14 |
| Juuba | maybe my brain timer needs a check then | 08:15 |
| Juuba | what I mean, that is the issue | 08:15 |
| Juuba | imagine running in a train station, looking for your train | 08:15 |
| Juuba | hit up reittiopas.fi | 08:15 |
| Juuba | ... | 08:15 |
| kimmoli | cameris: are you doing TOH too? (or am i guessing wrong by the 3rd import?) | 08:15 |
| Juuba | :D | 08:15 |
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| kaltsi | m.vr.fi took a long time to load | 08:16 |
| Juuba | that has another issues with the page itself i think | 08:16 |
| Juuba | the progress bar stops at some point | 08:16 |
| kaltsi | yes I see that.. | 08:17 |
| Juuba | anyway, until the bar even starts to move on the "initial load of the page", there is a long delay.. that I dont see in other apps | 08:17 |
| Juuba | there are people on TJC that say that stop-reload fixes it | 08:18 |
| Juuba | but it only fixes the issue of the page not showing while loading | 08:18 |
| kaltsi | the browser is a large app compared to many others | 08:18 |
| Juuba | k | 08:18 |
| kaltsi | sorry, I can offer no solutions, I was just curious about the problem :p | 08:20 |
| Juuba | np :D | 08:21 |
| Juuba | just glad that I'm not alone in this. | 08:21 |
| Juuba | hopefully someone figures out a fix | 08:21 |
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| Juuba | another thing about the browser | 08:21 |
| Juuba | scrolling down a LOOOONG page, the scroll arrows are not visible | 08:21 |
| Juuba | like, in the Mail for example | 08:22 |
| Juuba | you get arrows when scrolling a long-ish mail, that with a click, snap to the beginning or the end | 08:22 |
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| Juuba | but no such home/end shortcuts in the Browser | 08:23 |
| pp_ | resolver or not-working ipv6 sounds possible | 08:23 |
| tbr | for that the hosts would need to have AAAA entries, the first one I tried did not. | 08:25 |
| tbr | there goes your theory | 08:25 |
| pp_ | tcpdump or whatnot would tell too, maybe. | 08:28 |
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| Trizt | question about update8: when I back in a android app so it's cover is closed, does that mean it's not running anymore or is it's still in the background? | 08:37 |
| kimmoli | its not running anymore if there is no cover | 08:38 |
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| Trizt | Hmmm.. still the problem with only 9 covers :( | 08:41 |
| Trizt | warehouse don't seem to work anymore | 08:46 |
| tbr | yes, they need to fix it | 08:47 |
| tbr | policy change in U8 | 08:47 |
| Trizt | which made me got stuck with the damn volume warning | 08:47 |
| Trizt | should have been an system setting option to disable it | 08:47 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmm is there a way to tell the MOC to include header files in a certain order? | 08:48 |
| Nicd- | I think the volume warning is there because of EU regulations | 08:48 |
| tortoisedoc | (when generating a certain q_object class's stub) | 08:48 |
| Trizt | Nicd-: yes, but I get it already on <50% | 08:48 |
| tortoisedoc | or to give it some includes? | 08:49 |
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| tortoisedoc | (which would need to be prepended to the moc_*.cpp) | 08:49 |
| tigeli | Nicd-: due to certifications, but eg. with carkits the warning does not show up | 08:50 |
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| fzk | eu, the place of all important discussions. cucumbers and liquorice pipes are hot topics | 08:58 |
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| Trizt | fzk: if we are lucky, we will get EU to decide which color of socks you may wear on which day ;P | 09:10 |
| Trizt | Stskeeps: do you know if there are a plan to make it possible to access 10th, 11th and so on cover? and would it be possible to sneak in to set how many cover per page you can see, I like the size of covers when just having 4 of them visible | 09:12 |
| fzk | Trizt: or that you may not sell socks that are not certified | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | Trizt: sorry, no clue | 09:13 |
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| Trizt | fzk: but I do not sell, just make my own ones, so I can have uncrtified socks if I have applied for the premit to wear my own made socks ;) | 09:13 |
| Trizt | Stskeeps: any changes for update 8 url? | 09:14 |
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| Trizt | Use stroke input method for writing in Chinese == q9 ????? | 09:17 |
| fzk | Trizt: wouldnt be surprised if your illegall socks will lead to harder sock laws now! | 09:18 |
| Trizt | fzk: I noticed they will ban the possibility to mix home made socks and factory made pants | 09:18 |
| Trizt | damn, is my jolla damage now, I forgot one of the pre.requisites: "Charger connected" | 09:19 |
| Nicd- | I did the upgrade with no charger | 09:21 |
| Nicd- | you just have to be sure that you have enough battery :P | 09:21 |
| Trizt | shouldn't the installer warn about too low battery? I think it used to do | 09:23 |
| cameris | kimmoli: yes | 09:23 |
| Trizt | and this was not so good, I should have been fixing the backoffice and not updating and chatting about it | 09:23 |
| kimmoli | cameris: sounds interesting :p | 09:24 |
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| Trizt | found app that couldn't be closed with the android back button | 09:26 |
| cameris | kimmoli: most ir remotes pulse their leds with a current up to 1A. any idea how to solve that? havent tested anything, but i guess that 200mA are not enough for an accpetable range. | 09:28 |
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| kimmoli | hmm, i think you can use ~300mA from 3.3V pin, and as it is pulsed with 50% dutycycle, you might be able to use higher current that that. maybe not up to 1A, but like 500mA. | 09:32 |
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| kimmoli | also depends on led you use, and how wide-angle you want it to be. | 09:34 |
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| cameris | just picked 200mA since other electronic parts need current too. for the led i thought about picking this one: http://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/OSRAM-Opto-Semiconductors/SFH-409-2/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvAL21a%2fDhxMvFeLV%252bDp%252bu%252bVNfFB5JUc8Q%3d | 09:41 |
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| juke | is dbus currently the only way of having positioning? | 10:44 |
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| Nicd- | juke: you can also use QtPositioning but such an app will not be approved for the Jolla store | 10:52 |
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| oh8gnz | Nicd-: is there a reason for that? | 11:02 |
| Nicd- | the QtPositioning API is not stable in Qt 5.1 | 11:02 |
| Nicd- | and I think it's undocumented | 11:03 |
| juke | i was using it and it broke with last night's update | 11:03 |
| simbrown | Is anybody looking at the problems with caldav? | 11:07 |
| tbr | "problems with caldav"? | 11:07 |
| simbrown | tbr: events added to remote calendar are not synced to device | 11:08 |
| juke | is the dbus method going to be stable or do i need to do this again soon? | 11:08 |
| Nicd- | juke: there is already one app in the store using that method so I would assume it's relatively stable | 11:09 |
| tbr | simbrown: I haven't used it, but I guess there is some sort of sync that either is scheduled or triggered. | 11:09 |
| juke | Nicd-, ok thanks. which app is it? | 11:09 |
| Nicd- | juke: it's Halftrail | 11:10 |
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| Nicd- | :O | 11:10 |
| juke | i was thinking "stable as in not going be changed in coming releases" | 11:10 |
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| simbrown | tbr: you can set the sync interval in the account settings, the added events never arrive | 11:11 |
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| tbr | simbrown: as this is the developer channel. I'm going to suggest you look at the package source and direct bugs/patches to the github repository. | 11:17 |
| tbr | https://github.com/nemomobile/buteo-sync-plugin-caldav/ | 11:18 |
| simbrown | tbr: thanks | 11:19 |
| tbr | they also have an IRC channel, but I forgot the name. it should be mentioned in an old question on TJC | 11:19 |
| Nicd- | here does buteo come from? | 11:20 |
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| tbr | I think it was started during MeeGo times | 11:27 |
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| lbt_ | PSA: Mer OBS has 1.0.8.19 now and chum is updated << tbr | 11:50 |
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| SK_work | lbt: thx a lot | 11:59 |
| pp_ | yay | 11:59 |
| pp_ | which reminds me, is there some magic syntax to make the chum repo version autoupdate? | 12:00 |
| pp_ | I think my phone still uses the 1.0.4.20 one | 12:00 |
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| juke | could someone point me to an example where geoclue is used with qt's dbus module? | 12:04 |
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| juke | i don't think i have the version version of geoclue running on my phone that was mentioned in harbour faq | 12:37 |
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| *** kaltsi changes topic to "http://www.sailfishos.org - Alpha Qt5 SDK 1407 out now for linux/mac/win - MD5s: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/FileInformation_SDK_1407 - https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Qt5_Known_Issues | For friendly Jolla mobile device community: #jollamobile | SDK together: https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/tags:sdk/page:1/" | 12:38 | |
| kaltsi | sdk out.. whee | 12:39 |
| Nicd- | yaaay | 12:39 |
| Nicd- | what does this mean? "Fix Sailfish template application source location in Mac installer" | 12:41 |
| kaltsi | Nicd-: mac installer installed it to the wrong path earlier and 1406 installer had the same template application as 1404 | 12:42 |
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| Ram-Z | hey | 13:01 |
| Ram-Z | any reason why /etc/sshd_config does NOT contain "PermitRootLogin no" ? | 13:01 |
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| juke | to anyone maintaining harbour faq, you are linking to the wrong version of geoclue documentation. version 1.7 on device and the docs are for version 2 | 13:03 |
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| kaltsi | juke: could you write about it in together.j.c and tag with harbour? | 13:08 |
| juke | sure | 13:09 |
| kaltsi | juke: btw how do you see that it's version 1.7 on the device? | 13:09 |
| kaltsi | all I see is geoclue package version 0.12.99 .. but that's far from 1.7 :p | 13:10 |
| juke | qdbus lists interfaces 1.62 and 1.7 | 13:11 |
| juke | or am i completely wrong? at least it's not the version 2 interface, that's for sure | 13:12 |
| juke | the documentation does not match in any way | 13:13 |
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| kaltsi | yeah it's possible it's wrong but I was just wondering about the version :P | 13:18 |
| juke | i'm guessing i'm talking about service/interface versions and you are talking about package versions | 13:18 |
| SK_work | Ram-Z: because you shouldn't have dev mode on ? | 13:21 |
| SK_work | :D | 13:21 |
| SK_work | dev mode is for _dev_ only ? | 13:21 |
| SK_work | I don't know, sound weired to me too | 13:21 |
| juke | also i'm reading about dbus the first time today, so i might be very wrong | 13:21 |
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| juke | the version 1 documentation seems to match, the one linked in harbour faq does not | 13:22 |
| Ram-Z | SK_work: well I prefer to ssh into my jolla to copy files around... much easier than connect via usb | 13:24 |
| SK_work | Ram-Z: +1 :) | 13:25 |
| Ram-Z | on the other hand I probably should not have enabled the root user either :P | 13:26 |
| Ram-Z | but not disabling root login via ssh seems like an oversight to me | 13:27 |
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| FireFly | I keep dev-mode on all the time... but I did disable root login & password login in sshd_config | 13:29 |
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| Ram-Z | FireFly: yep me too now, I was just surprised when a quick `ssh root@jolla` granted me access | 13:33 |
| FireFly | I could see why.. :p | 13:33 |
| Ram-Z | I will also simply disable the root passwd again and get accustomed to use devel-su instead | 13:33 |
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| tbr | pp_: not at the moment, no | 13:48 |
| tbr | lbt: \o/ | 13:48 |
| lbt | :) | 13:48 |
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| pp_ | tbr: a use at own risk "latest" symlink maybe?-) | 14:38 |
| pp_ | tho I can see that going bad easily | 14:38 |
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| tbr | pp_: I'll have to defer that to lbt, he probably knows better about possible implications | 14:38 |
| tbr | I'd rather see the modified warehouse app take care of this | 14:39 |
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| juke | found one obscure blog post about the dbus positioning solution, it didn't work, but using Here provider seems to work. too bad there's no documentation what so ever on what the return values are. i guess this is better then than using qt5positioning which's api might not be stable... | 15:56 |
| juke | i even tried using wayback machine to find documentation for that, feels like it's the year of linux on mobile | 15:57 |
| juke | 2014 and no (documented) positioning api available | 15:57 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: got ninja ? | 17:44 |
| coderus | ninja! | 17:45 |
| cameris | still trying to figure out the pinch reparenting issue: In order to put a dragged item to front all others, I'm using ParentChange. But if I reparent it, the item jumps to the top of the screen, away from under my fingers, even though the ParentChange doc says it should stay where it is. If I use MouseArea instead of PinchArea for dragging there is no such problem. Does anyone got an idea what I'm doing wrong? | 17:46 |
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| coderus | cameris: use z property, dont reparent. | 18:01 |
| cameris | i thought that z only works if they have the same parent. | 18:05 |
| cameris | and since I can't drag the whole delegate, it would not work. | 18:06 |
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| cameris | coderus: apperantly you where right, just setting the delegate-roots (not the dragged items) z value did the trick. Thank you very much, nearly gone mad trying to find a workaround. | 19:17 |
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| HIGHGuY | Evening | 19:25 |
| HIGHGuY | Did you receive any other reports about QtCreator crashing? | 19:26 |
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| ejjoman | good evening, everybody :) | 19:34 |
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| tortoisedoc | the more i use my jolla, the more i like it :) | 19:43 |
| tortoisedoc | esp after update #8 | 19:43 |
| tortoisedoc | thanks sailors! | 19:43 |
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| kimmoli | thats' the spåriti tortoisedoc | 19:48 |
| tortoisedoc | spåriti ? | 19:48 |
| kimmoli | spirit * | 19:48 |
| tortoisedoc | aah spirit? :P | 19:48 |
| kimmoli | i didnt write that | 19:48 |
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| tortoisedoc | yes you did | 19:50 |
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| tortoisedoc | kimmoli : http://picpaste.com/upload.php | 19:54 |
| tortoisedoc | :P | 19:54 |
| tortoisedoc | boy that took too long | 19:54 |
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| kimmoli | ? wats that? | 20:03 |
| kimmoli | i have no pic to upload? | 20:04 |
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| m4g0g | how to emulate QHBoxLayout behavior in qml2? | 20:16 |
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| manqeloque | sooooo, what's the status of libsdl2 for sailfish? | 21:30 |
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| tbr | manqeloque: you've seen this? https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Packaging/SDL | 21:37 |
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| manqeloque | neat | 21:48 |
| manqeloque | is there prebuilt dev packages? and what about harbour? | 21:49 |
| ln- | certificate for wiki.merproject.org is expired since yesterday, btw. | 21:50 |
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| stephg | lbt: ^^ | 21:51 |
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| stephg | so it has | 21:51 |
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| tbr | manqeloque: there are probably packages, yes | 22:00 |
| tbr | manqeloque: if it's not shipped on device then for harbour your only chance is to bundle libraries inside your APP | 22:00 |
| manqeloque | dang | 22:01 |
| manqeloque | so sailfish doesn't work like harmattan in this case? (in harmattan you'd just specify libsdl1.2 as a dependency to your package, and the package manager installed it automatically when you installed the package) | 22:03 |
| ln- | sdl2 is not accepted on harbour yet | 22:03 |
| ln- | my two cents about sdl2: yes, there are devel packages, and no, it's not installed by default on the phone, but is installable through pkcon. | 22:04 |
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| lbt | ln-: thanks - i put monitoring in place for it but apparently it failed :/ | 22:30 |
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