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| stephg | morning | 07:51 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmm | 08:03 |
| tortoisedoc | harbour people | 08:03 |
| tortoisedoc | are the stats supposed to be updated live? | 08:04 |
| tortoisedoc | (like the store app?) | 08:04 |
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| stephg | tortoisedoc: don't think so, not yet nyways | 08:18 |
| tortoisedoc | stephg : thanks | 08:18 |
| tortoisedoc | I believe this is weird, as the store app does seem to be able to give live results :P | 08:18 |
| tortoisedoc | but I guess it will come | 08:18 |
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| tortoisedoc | nazanin: hey, about quickbar & jolla-settings, what are the chances a jolla-settings configuration might pass harbour qa? | 08:24 |
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| nazanin | tortoisedoc: hey :) explain more please | 08:26 |
| tortoisedoc | nazanin: for the app closing issue you mentioned in your email; the way this was solved on the N9 was that there was a specific application setting for putting the app on / off | 08:26 |
| tortoisedoc | (from settings-ui) | 08:27 |
| tortoisedoc | you could then access this from the application-specific settings menu | 08:27 |
| tortoisedoc | I was thinking about something similar for Jolla, but afaik apps relying on jolla-settings might get rejected | 08:28 |
| tortoisedoc | (jolla-settings is the jolla counterpart of settings-ui of N9) | 08:28 |
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| tortoisedoc | (btw this relates to quickbar) | 08:30 |
| tortoisedoc | (sorry for not mentioning it stratight away) | 08:31 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: well, I need to investigate this issue more, and then get back to you, is that okay? :) | 08:33 |
| tortoisedoc | nazanin : sounds great, thanks | 08:33 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: thanks for contacting :) | 08:33 |
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| Nicd- | ads in the quickbar? :( | 08:33 |
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| tortoisedoc | Nicd- : working on iiiit :P | 08:35 |
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| tortoisedoc | guys you have to understand that people also have normal lives outside of sailfishos :D | 08:35 |
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| Nicd- | I realize that, it just means I'm not going to install it | 08:36 |
| tortoisedoc | Nicd- : thats unfortunate, but its of course ok :) | 08:37 |
| ruskie | I won't installit not due to ads but due to the fact I see no use for it | 08:37 |
| tortoisedoc | oh! some feedback that makes sense! | 08:37 |
| tortoisedoc | ruskie: thanks! | 08:37 |
| tortoisedoc | ruskie : can you detail your reason more? | 08:37 |
| ruskie | my phone is locked all the time when I'm not using it | 08:37 |
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| ruskie | and I rarely have a need to quick access an app the way quickbar offers it | 08:38 |
| Nicd- | tortoisedoc: why don't you release as open source and let other people contribute their time instead of ads? or is money more of a motivator to you? (honest question) | 08:38 |
| ruskie | my pulley menu has 2 things in it on the lock screen... silence sounds and lock device | 08:38 |
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| ruskie | because once the device is locked all the other options other than silence are greyed out... | 08:39 |
| ruskie | which I consider an issue since instead of greyed out it should let me pick them but ask for lock code before executing anyway | 08:39 |
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| tortoisedoc | Nicd- : money is a very good motivator, im afraid (as always); the open sourcing has been considered; it is just a bit too early for this now as it is not 100% clear how well this app works, and how much better it can be made | 08:41 |
| tortoisedoc | ruskie : very good point, I did not test it with lock code | 08:41 |
| ruskie | but yeah as said don't see a use case for myself for it | 08:41 |
| ruskie | as I don't utilise the default shortcuts on in the pulley menu as well | 08:42 |
| tortoisedoc | ruskie : so mostly the fact that you would not use it, am I understaning correctlY? | 08:42 |
| ruskie | yeah | 08:42 |
| tortoisedoc | thats ok | 08:42 |
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| tortoisedoc | :) | 08:42 |
| tortoisedoc | thanks for your feedback | 08:42 |
| tortoisedoc | I have been thinking about donations | 08:42 |
| tortoisedoc | and am working on getting something into place | 08:43 |
| tortoisedoc | but it takes TIME grrr | 08:43 |
| tortoisedoc | (and services etcetc) | 08:43 |
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| tortoisedoc | the opensource idea is definitely a nice one | 08:46 |
| ruskie | hmm need to setup my alt cert8.dbs and prep the shell script to swap between them and an empty one option | 08:46 |
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| nazanin | tortoisedoc: unfortunately the application-specific setting thingi is not supported for harbour app atm | 08:47 |
| tortoisedoc | nazanin : ok thanks for confirming | 08:47 |
| tortoisedoc | so I will add a "close" button :) | 08:48 |
| nazanin | tortoisedoc: great :) | 08:48 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work : stop reverse-eng my apps :P | 08:59 |
| tortoisedoc | (and brag about it in the jolla store comments :P:P) | 09:00 |
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| locusf | lol | 09:03 |
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| tortoisedoc | grr | 09:17 |
| tortoisedoc | i hate gimp >_< | 09:17 |
| tortoisedoc | (even tho I love it) | 09:17 |
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| SK_work | tortoisedoc: why not | 09:33 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: it"'s your fault hiding everything | 09:33 |
| SK_work | :P | 09:34 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 09:34 |
| tortoisedoc | hiding everything? :P | 09:34 |
| tortoisedoc | ah you mean the qml? | 09:34 |
| tortoisedoc | for the record, i plan to publish the smaato sdk | 09:34 |
| tortoisedoc | (which is basically just an edit to make it work on qtquick2) | 09:35 |
| tortoisedoc | but do you want that? | 09:35 |
| tortoisedoc | considering you are against ads :P | 09:35 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: :D | 09:40 |
| SK_work | well I want a way to opt out of ads | 09:40 |
| coderus | SK_work: hack qrc and remove and manually? :) | 09:40 |
| SK_work | well, your app will allow me to test some nice stuff | 09:40 |
| SK_work | coderus: indeed, custom qrc loader :) | 09:41 |
| coderus | custon qrc-like loader? :) | 09:41 |
| SK_work | coderus: thinking of this or LD_PRELOAD | 09:42 |
| SK_work | don't know which is better | 09:42 |
| SK_work | but don't have time to hack until WE | 09:42 |
| coderus | em, what point of hack? | 09:43 |
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| SK_work | coderus: provide a patched qtCore / qtqml etc for dumping qrc, or having a LD_PRELOAD to do this etc. | 09:44 |
| coderus | aha :) | 09:44 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work : no need, in next release there will be "Donate" button :) | 09:44 |
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| tortoisedoc | SK_works : do you plan to use it? | 09:44 |
| tortoisedoc | (the donate button) | 09:45 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: if paypal then yes :) | 09:45 |
| tortoisedoc | yes, paypal :) | 09:45 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: make like my mitakuuluu does | 09:45 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : how does it? | 09:46 |
| coderus | and also add enable ads button :D | 09:46 |
| tortoisedoc | lol | 09:46 |
| tortoisedoc | yes I was thinking to give the option | 09:46 |
| tortoisedoc | either ads | 09:46 |
| tortoisedoc | or support button | 09:46 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/blob/master/client/qml/About.qml#L115 | 09:46 |
| tortoisedoc | but problem is that currently i wont be able to hide the support button :/ | 09:46 |
| coderus | you shouldnt hide it | 09:46 |
| tortoisedoc | yes | 09:47 |
| coderus | some peoples donating not only once :) | 09:47 |
| tortoisedoc | but on quickbar it will be on front all the time :( | 09:47 |
| tortoisedoc | its not so nice | 09:47 |
| tortoisedoc | (or not perfect) | 09:47 |
| coderus | ah, you should add it in settings aparently ;) | 09:47 |
| tortoisedoc | lol | 09:47 |
| tortoisedoc | quickbar has no settings :D | 09:47 |
| coderus | in quickbar you can add it like own ad | 09:47 |
| coderus | you should add settings! | 09:47 |
| tortoisedoc | but people do not like ads :D | 09:47 |
| * tortoisedoc is confused! | 09:47 | |
| coderus | but it will be your own ad | 09:48 |
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| coderus | like my app -> buy me a beer | 09:48 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 09:48 |
| tortoisedoc | sounds nice | 09:48 |
| coderus | and disable ad for a (week, month?) | 09:48 |
| coderus | or show it once after reboot, or something like so | 09:48 |
| tortoisedoc | so mitakuulu shows ads too? | 09:49 |
| Nicd- | it doesn't | 09:50 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: no, i'm talking about donate buttons :) | 09:53 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : ah ok just wanted to make sure ) | 09:53 |
| tortoisedoc | :) | 09:53 |
| coderus | i'm thinking million of times about monetizing app... | 09:54 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : do not do ads :P | 09:54 |
| tortoisedoc | it seems people do not like them :D | 09:54 |
| coderus | yep, because i dont like ads myself | 09:54 |
| tortoisedoc | (at least in my experience) | 09:55 |
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| coderus | i'm thinking about platform-targeted ads | 09:55 |
| coderus | like new app in store: try it | 09:55 |
| coderus | in form of fake messages | 09:55 |
| Nicd- | fake messages? | 09:56 |
| coderus | with engine for checking if app is really installed or not | 09:56 |
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| pp | free game, 1e to remove ads, extra for "paid content" seems okish | 09:56 |
| pp | coderus: pay 2e to make font non-comic sans might work for you? | 09:57 |
| coderus | pp: i'm f**ng iap with freedom in android :D | 09:57 |
| coderus | pp: no | 09:57 |
| coderus | pp: i'm talking about really useful ads | 09:57 |
| coderus | with no payment | 09:57 |
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| coderus | just some developer might ask me to add his app to ads batabase | 09:58 |
| pp | yea, might work | 09:58 |
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| coderus | and it will send fake message to users | 09:58 |
| pp | comic sans trick is pretty clever tho, seems to have worked for libressl | 09:58 |
| coderus | option for not loosing messages :D | 10:00 |
| coderus | option for not disconnect every 5 minutes :D | 10:00 |
| coderus | option to allow send media messages :D | 10:01 |
| coderus | ahahaha :D | 10:01 |
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| pp | option to not "autocorrect" messages | 10:01 |
| coderus | and option to give me some extra brain to solve issues :D | 10:01 |
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| goroboro | I'm looking at adding timed type events to an application I am developing... | 10:29 |
| goroboro | so I've looked at the timedclient and qmlclock code on github | 10:30 |
| goroboro | what I really want to avoid is rewriting a whole alarm type interface in my app | 10:30 |
| goroboro | is there any way to load a prewritten alarm interface and pass it an application with commandline params to trigger an event | 10:31 |
| goroboro | the idea is basically this... I am quite happy with the Jolla clock alarm setup... but instead of waking up to a beeping sound every morning... I would prefer to load a particular internet radio stream | 10:32 |
| goroboro | so I have built an app to store radio streams etc... and it accepts command line params to autoplay a selected stream id | 10:33 |
| goroboro | but I want to make an easy way to set an alarm event to trigger that | 10:33 |
| goroboro | I could just write a whole new interface to set alarms etc... but that seems overkill | 10:33 |
| goroboro | I mean... what if I want to write several apps that are able to trigger events | 10:34 |
| goroboro | do I have to write the same qml interface over and over for each app that I want this? | 10:34 |
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| goroboro | so I guess what I am asking is... is there some way that I can load some alternate app and pass it the command line item that I want to trigger... and then allow the alternate app to handle setting the alarm? | 10:36 |
| goroboro | I suppose I could write something like this... but my abilities and time are somewhat restricted... so I was hoping that something like this would already be out there | 10:37 |
| ruskie | maybe use fcron for that | 10:37 |
| ruskie | though I believe systemd has some support for cron like functionality as well | 10:38 |
| goroboro | mmmm I thought about that... but I actually don't care so much about the backend that triggers the event... its more about writing an interface to set alarms over and over again | 10:39 |
| goroboro | I am sure that there are loads of apps that could do with this sort of functionality | 10:39 |
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| aaltoni | :D | 11:13 |
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| coderus | gsettings on Jolla not connected with dconf as in ubuntu? | 11:36 |
| Jonni_ | depends what you mean by gsettings | 11:41 |
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| Jonni | we did change MGConfItem to use dconf instead of gconf backend, but afaik we havent been using gsettings. | 11:44 |
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| coderus | i mean gsettings cli tool | 11:46 |
| coderus | in ubuntu i can use dconf or gsettings and they're changing same values | 11:46 |
| coderus | in Jolla i see gsettings contains only freedesktop keys, not other | 11:46 |
| coderus | (maybe caused by lack of schemas, not investigated yet) | 11:47 |
| coderus | just asking at the moment | 11:47 |
| Jonni | ah yes, in jolla we use dconf to change dconf values. Most likely we just havent even tried to use gsettings to change the dconf values. | 11:47 |
| Jonni | and root vs nemo user has different keys | 11:48 |
| coderus | of course | 11:48 |
| coderus | i'm just migrating from QSettings to dconf because of some weird bug: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/issues/165 | 11:48 |
| coderus | after lipstick crash/restart/reboot my qsettings are broken | 11:49 |
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| Jonni | well that bug doesnt really show that qsettings conf file would be broken, atleast It doesnt show the contents of the conf file nor say that it would be 0 bytes | 11:51 |
| Jonni | mihgt as well just be connman and network connection troubles that makes client think that register is needed. | 11:51 |
| coderus | i have some conf files after lipstick crash | 11:51 |
| Jonni | and the files are broken? | 11:51 |
| coderus | it have just some vaules unset after crash | 11:51 |
| coderus | and i have two different processes using same qsettings and frequently call sync after changing settings to force it update on the other side | 11:53 |
| Jonni | sounds quite wierd, if there are clear steps to repro, then I would suggest filing bug for it in qt bugzilla. | 11:53 |
| coderus | i'll do that after quick fixing my app with different settings backend :) | 11:53 |
| coderus | because it 100% broking qsettings after lipstick crash -> compositor crash -> all apps exiting because of compositor crash -> all my qsettings syncs are destroying unexpectedly | 11:54 |
| Jonni | well yes dconf has been working quite well, but we do have some apps ugins qsettings, so if there really is bug then fixing it would be nice | 11:54 |
| coderus | i didnt tested it with single process usage | 11:55 |
| coderus | will test it after update release and let you know ;) | 11:55 |
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| danielbeck_ | Hello! Is it possible to simulate a "screen rotation" in the emulator? | 13:36 |
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| kaltsi | danielbeck_: I don't know how.. I was following your story in #jollamobile just now, have you specified allowedOrientations to your application? | 13:37 |
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| danielbeck_ | kaltsi: I don't think so. I will look this evening. Where should I specify "allowedOrientations"? | 13:38 |
| kaltsi | danielbeck_: you could also check the 'Sailfish Silica Component' demo application in the emulator | 13:38 |
| kaltsi | or the component gallery that is.. it has an orientation page | 13:39 |
| danielbeck_ | For information: my appliation is WebApp display by QML/Webkit | 13:39 |
| danielbeck_ | ok. | 13:39 |
| kaltsi | its sources are in the 'examples' section of the qt creator welcome page | 13:39 |
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| kaltsi | if you have a Page {} element, it could be as simple as adding the allowedOrientations there | 13:40 |
| danielbeck_ | OK, I will check it where. thanks kaltsi. | 13:40 |
| danielbeck_ | Ah, ok, that sounds easy. | 13:40 |
| kaltsi | yw.. I'll try to find out how to tell the emulator to change its orientation.. it might not yet be possible | 13:40 |
| danielbeck_ | but testing it will be difficult, if virtualbox doesn't allow screen orientation. | 13:40 |
| danielbeck_ | ah, yes, that would be nice. | 13:41 |
| kaltsi | that orientation page on the demo app lets you choose its orientation.. so at least you should be able to do that | 13:41 |
| kaltsi | but the end result will anyways be that the emulator screen stays in portrait mode, the content might be in landscape | 13:42 |
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| Morpog_PC | kaltsi, how about having 2 emulator entries in virtualbox, one in portrait and one in landscape? Would be great to have thta. unfortunately if you change the resolution atm for the existing emulator V;, it won't recognize it as landscape. | 13:47 |
| Morpog_PC | http://abload.de/img/unbenanntsokre.png | 13:47 |
| Morpog_PC | you can change the resolution like that: VBoxManage setextradata "SailfishOS Emulator" | 13:48 |
| Morpog_PC | "CustomVideoMode1" "960x540x32" | 13:48 |
| kaltsi | the long term goal is to not use virtualbox's own window but own skin with rdp viewer | 13:48 |
| danielbeck_ | Morpog_PC: In my case, I really need a screen orientation, because the app dynamically loads other graphic ressources. | 13:48 |
| Morpog_PC | danielbeck_, sure, I just tried to suggest kaltsi a solution for future sailfishOS SDK releases :) | 13:49 |
| danielbeck_ | ah :-) | 13:49 |
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| Morpog_PC | but his long term goal sounds better :D | 13:49 |
| danielbeck_ | kaltsi: are you a developer of the sailfishOS SDK | 13:49 |
| danielbeck_ | ? | 13:49 |
| kaltsi | yes | 13:50 |
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| danielbeck_ | Ah, nice. I really appreciate the SDK. At the end, it was quite easy to port the application on SailfishOS. | 13:50 |
| kaltsi | thanks, nice to hear :) | 13:51 |
| danielbeck_ | Much easier as making it run on Ubuntu Touch :-) | 13:51 |
| kaltsi | the emulator part needs a lot of work and we have very limited resources to do it.. I hope to get something done about it after the summer | 13:51 |
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| danielbeck_ | The emulator is already quite good. It's fast. | 13:53 |
| kaltsi | it's running x86 code in that virtualbox, which makes it faster than trying to emulate an arm device with for example qemu | 13:55 |
| danielbeck_ | Ubuntu and SailfishOS both uses QML and QtCreator. The SDK of SailfishOS is much more stable than ubuntu touch. On the other side, Ubuntu Touch will release quite a lot of nice software and libraries. | 13:55 |
| danielbeck_ | Are there any synergie? | 13:55 |
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| kaltsi | not at the moment no.. | 13:56 |
| kaltsi | other than sailfish probably benefits from stuff Ubuntu does for Qt Creator | 13:56 |
| kaltsi | a medium term goal is to move to Qt Creator 3.x and hopefully eventually get the Mer/Sailfish plugin part of qtc upstream | 13:57 |
| kaltsi | to get the plugin to be a part of qtc upstream | 13:57 |
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| coderus | i'm too dumb, please help me. how to read dir from dconf with MGConfItem? | 14:53 |
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| Jonni | coderus: what do you mean by read dir? | 14:59 |
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| coderus | list dir | 14:59 |
| coderus | like dconf list /apps/appname/ in cli | 14:59 |
| Jonni | ah list schema keys you mean | 14:59 |
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| coderus | yup | 15:00 |
| coderus | i see MGConfItem->listDirs() but i have no idea how it should work. | 15:00 |
| coderus | MGConfItem conf = new MGConfItem("/apps/appname", this); | 15:01 |
| coderus | qDebug() << conf->listDirs(); returning empty list for me | 15:02 |
| coderus | but dconf list /apps/appname/ returning list of childs correctly | 15:02 |
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| Jonni | it should return QList<QString> | 15:02 |
| coderus | whem i'm trying to set key name as /apps/appname/ (as in dconf cli) MGConfItem sends warning message to output | 15:02 |
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| coderus | http://paste.kde.org/pjzpb4x3a and error: http://paste.kde.org/pwsigyznq | 15:10 |
| coderus | same error if i set MGConfItem ends with slash: http://paste.kde.org/p1ircugku | 15:11 |
| coderus | very strange for me | 15:11 |
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| coderus | heeeeeeeeeelp me! | 15:17 |
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| tortoisedoc | huh irc on sailfishos :p | 16:56 |
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| suosaaski | does anyone know if there is a difference between a nexus 5 bought from germany or finland? | 18:21 |
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| wmarone_ | suosaaski: nexus 5 should be the same around the world | 18:35 |
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| suosaaski | wmarone_: ok, thanks | 19:02 |
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| Almindor | what can be used to get/send data from bluetooth? | 19:32 |
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| Almindor | does https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtbluetooth-overview.html work with Jolla? | 19:35 |
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| coderus | vote pleaseee! https://together.jolla.com/question/49418/please-add-amr-audio-encoder-to-camera-capabilities/ | 19:47 |
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