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| bibicheko | Hello there. Okay, now is 9:01 in GMT +4, so in Finland is 8:01, but where is new Sailfish OS for Nexus 4? | 03:47 |
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| Nicd- | bibicheko: just go away, it will be released WHEN IT'S READY | 04:00 |
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| iekku | bibicheko, as Nicd- said, it will be released when it's ready. i think we didn't say we release it on Monday? | 04:41 |
| iekku | and good morning :) | 04:41 |
| Nicd- | iekku: Stskeeps did though | 04:41 |
| Nicd- | but he didn't say it would be released first thing in the morning :P | 04:41 |
| iekku | oh | 04:41 |
| iekku | :D | 04:41 |
| * iekku gets more coffee and tries to wake up | 04:42 | |
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| Juuba | anyone else noticed that the browser takes a while (like many tens of seconds) to start loading the first page when it is opened? | 05:21 |
| Juuba | i guess this is "known" already | 05:21 |
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| Nicd- | Juuba: have noticed | 05:32 |
| Juuba | is there a ticket about it on together or github? | 05:32 |
| Juuba | haven't seen | 05:33 |
| Nicd- | dunno | 05:33 |
| Juuba | I'll try to write something, let's see | 05:33 |
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| Juuba | there it is now: https://together.jolla.com/question/48103/bug-jolla-browser-first-page-load-takes-a-while/ | 05:39 |
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| Armadillo | are there plans to allow QtOrganizer for qml imports in the future? Would be great to get access to CalDAV Accounts for harbour apps | 06:16 |
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| chriadam | Armadillo: there are several intervening steps required | 06:18 |
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| chriadam | 1) there are a bunch of changes happening in QtPIM at the moment (primarily for contacts, but some will affect organizer too) - so they will have to be completed / stabilise before we can commit to supporting QtOrganizer (and that will happen at the same time that the QtProject marks them as Supported / Released) | 06:19 |
| chriadam | 2) once the APIs are stable, we can write an mkcal backend for QtOrganizer. This has already been done in the past, so presumably there's something somewhere which we can update/fix, rather than start from scratch, but it's still a relatively big undertaking (especially if we want it to be performant) | 06:20 |
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| Armadillo | sounds like there's much work to do | 06:23 |
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| Armadillo | any guess when this could available? | 06:23 |
| Armadillo | +be | 06:23 |
| Armadillo | just to organize my own roadmap :) | 06:24 |
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| Armadillo | chriadam anyway thanks for the explanation :) | 06:31 |
| chriadam | Armadillo: well, hard to predict timeline at this point, to be honest. | 06:32 |
| chriadam | developing a backend isn't too difficult (although a naive implementation would have poor performance, obviously), but the API issues may take some time to resolve. | 06:33 |
| chriadam | also, there may be other things we need to do before we open up PIM apis to third party developers (eg, better security model, to allow users to choose which APIs an application is allowed to access, etc) | 06:33 |
| chriadam | but that's getting a bit out of my areas of expertise, so I can't comment there. | 06:34 |
| Armadillo | alright | 06:34 |
| Armadillo | thanks :) | 06:34 |
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| SK_work | wondering ... will the new Silica use Animator instead of Animation in QML ? | 06:53 |
| SK_work | sletta: ^ ? | 06:54 |
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| sletta | SK_work: We want to take it into use for select usecases, yes. Like the busy indicator | 06:55 |
| SK_work | sletta: maybe for page transitions too ? | 06:55 |
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| sletta | possibly yes | 06:55 |
| SK_work | if the main thread got blocked by some IO (eg a config file read), or some procesing when a page is pushed, the animation will be played | 06:56 |
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| SK_work | without hickups, and without delay | 06:56 |
| SK_work | (maybe ?) | 06:56 |
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| sletta | if the page is delayed by loading the qml page, then transitioning to a blank page would rather silly :) | 06:56 |
| SK_work | sletta: yeah, true | 06:57 |
| sletta | it is on the list of candidates to investigate, afair | 06:57 |
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| Loris_ | uuuuuh ive got a mail! *excited* | 07:00 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 07:00 |
| Stskeeps | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53611676&postcount=433 for the impatient rest | 07:00 |
| Price15 | me too :) | 07:00 |
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| Stskeeps | such as bibicheko | 07:00 |
| Loris_ | haha ;) | 07:00 |
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| bibicheko | Not funny :D | 07:01 |
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| stephg | woo :) | 07:02 |
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| bibicheko | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53611676&postcount=433 What is it? This is instructions? | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | yup, it's the thing that people receive at each release, plus release notes, etc | 07:06 |
| bibicheko | Aaaargh. I think that you create new image. | 07:07 |
| Yaniel | did you even read the post? | 07:09 |
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| Loris_ | If I submitted as a tester for the Androud Launcher, will I get some kind of comfirmation or will I just recieve a mail when it's ready? | 07:22 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, i don't know :) | 07:22 |
| Loris_ | haha okay...then I'll just wait ;) | 07:23 |
| * Stskeeps handles sailfishos for android devices, not launcher :) | 07:23 | |
| Loris_ | yes I know, but maybe there is somebody in this channel which develops the launcher :P | 07:25 |
| SK_work | Loris_: the best (I think) is to post on TJC | 07:26 |
| SK_work | in the specific thread | 07:26 |
| Sail0r | can anyone explain why cm is needed to get sailfishos running on nexus4 | 07:26 |
| SK_work | Sail0r: (wild guess) drivers ? | 07:27 |
| Loris_ | SK_work: okay, I thought this is the channel for everything related to sailfishos/jolla | 07:27 |
| Sail0r | but why not just integrate the drivers in the sailfish image? | 07:28 |
| SK_work | Loris_: but I think you will find launcher people on TJC more easily | 07:28 |
| SK_work | don't know if they are here | 07:28 |
| Loris_ | okay thank you | 07:28 |
| Nicd- | Sail0r: copyright/licence issues? | 07:28 |
| SK_work | Loris_: usually, there are N4 testing people here, and Sailfish apps devs here | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | Sail0r: stable hw adaptation that we know we can build a matching source tree with | 07:29 |
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| Sail0r | thx :) | 07:31 |
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| juke | i need chrpath on the device, can i install it somehow? | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | pkcon install chrpath..? | 09:16 |
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| juke | thansk! i forgot the package manager's name | 09:17 |
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| mike7b4_on_x230 | HI, why does SDK overwrite my tranbslation files every rebuild :-/ (it actually resets all my translations to english) :( | 09:20 |
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| kaltsi | mike7b4_on_x230: hmm it shouldn't do that.. how can I reproduce it? | 09:37 |
| kaltsi | mike7b4_on_x230: or can I reproduce it using the default template app? | 09:38 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | kaltsi, Actually my own fault. I just found out that I edited the XML wrong way. instead of <translation> I changed the <source> | 09:40 |
| kaltsi | mike7b4_on_x230: ahh ok :) | 09:41 |
| juke | i'm trying to build qtsystems which depends on testlib. i assume that it refers to QtTestLib. any ideas what the package is called? | 09:42 |
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| juke | ah, just found it | 09:43 |
| juke | qt5-qttest-devel | 09:43 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: nothing to do? Time to do small app for me? | 09:51 |
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| SmarteX | Hi! Does someone know if video playback is supported in this release? | 09:53 |
| crazy_imp | SmarteX: define playback | 09:54 |
| crazy_imp | i can watch the videos i've recorded | 09:54 |
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| SmarteX | crazy_imp: I forgot to add that I'm on the Nexus 4 | 09:55 |
| crazy_imp | ah, i'm talking about my jolla :D | 09:55 |
| stephg | SmarteX: some video playback is working yeah | 09:55 |
| stephg | (youtube does iirc) | 09:55 |
| SmarteX | stephg: What about the camera? | 09:56 |
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| stephg | camera not yet no: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 09:57 |
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| Price15 | I installed some video codecs from the openrepos links but they dont seem to work properly | 10:10 |
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| SmarteX | stephg: Do you know anything about the Android Compatibility Layer (Or however is it called)? | 10:10 |
| stephg | Alien Dalvik it's called | 10:10 |
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| SmarteX | Ah okay :3 | 10:11 |
| SmarteX | So do you know anything about Alien Dalvik on mako (support)? | 10:12 |
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| stephg | it's not coming in the short term because of licensing and hardware problems, and the latter maybe can never be fixed (but I don't know) | 10:16 |
| stephg | sadly | 10:16 |
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| nh1402 | but can't you use the standard android runtime, it is an actual android phone after all. *I think* the android runtime is found in the kernel, so couldn't you use it from there | 10:21 |
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| SK_work | nh1402: it can be a good idea indeed | 10:22 |
| SK_work | missing some bridges between SFOS and Android | 10:22 |
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| SK_work | but how to display Android "windows" inside Wayland etc ? | 10:22 |
| frullewulle | android runtime is not in the kernel | 10:22 |
| SK_work | and I don't know if the Android runtime is shipped with N4 images | 10:23 |
| nh1402 | alright then, wasn't sure where the runtime is found, guess its back to the drawing board | 10:23 |
| stephg | the runtime is an app you install from the store | 10:24 |
| SK_work | stephg: in N4, it can be interesting to use cyanogen | 10:24 |
| SK_work | (the "android runtime" is already here, and if not it can be available) | 10:25 |
| SK_work | the problem is the bridging: how to make the windows appear on compositor, etc. | 10:25 |
| tbr | nh1402, SK_work - as said multiple times, the open source community should consider rolling their own, AOSP based aliendalvik replacement | 10:25 |
| SK_work | tbr: indeed | 10:25 |
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| tbr | if you e.g. ditch 3d support in the beginning it could be fairly easy | 10:26 |
| SK_work | tbr: fairly ? | 10:26 |
| nh1402 | fair enough, I'm up for helping with that, where i can | 10:26 |
| SK_work | don't know Android enough so ... | 10:26 |
| tbr | SK_work: have it render to a framebuffer and render that as a surface/window | 10:26 |
| SK_work | hum true ... | 10:26 |
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| tbr | I'm sure gfx performance would suck, etc. but then some enterprising people might find a better way with more performance | 10:28 |
| tbr | as we know it is possible | 10:28 |
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| juke | i'm trying to compile a library using different headers that comes from the sailfish os ide repository. where do i need to put the new headers? in the mersdk virtualbox? | 10:54 |
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| juke | s/that/than what/ | 10:55 |
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| kaltsi | juke: different how? | 10:59 |
| kaltsi | a new package? | 11:00 |
| SmarteX | I can't install the EA3... It gets stuck at running installation script... | 11:00 |
| kaltsi | juke, or a different version of some package that's in the repos? | 11:00 |
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| juke | the package available in sailfishos repo has older headers than i would like to use | 11:01 |
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| stephg | SmarteX: how far into the script does it get? | 11:01 |
| kaltsi | juke: uhh.. so you want to upgrade some library that's in the sailfish repos? | 11:02 |
| SmarteX | stephg: It locks right after "Running Installation Script..." The progress bar stops moving | 11:02 |
| juke | kaltsi, i'd like to use the latest stable qtsysteminfo from the projects repository. it is anyway disabled in harbour so i have to provide it myself. | 11:03 |
| kaltsi | juke: if you know what you're doing and acknowledge that it won't work for anyone but you (providing you also install the newer lib to the device) then you can do it like this: | 11:03 |
| kaltsi | juke: ssh to mersdk as user mersdk | 11:03 |
| kaltsi | juke: sb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -m sdk-install -R zypper install your-package.rpm your-package-devel.rpm | 11:03 |
| stephg | SmarteX: how long did you give it, it does take a while | 11:04 |
| juke | kaltsi, thank you! | 11:04 |
| SmarteX | Okay it works right now.. xD | 11:04 |
| stephg | cool :) | 11:04 |
| SmarteX | It was just me being impatient (As always :3) | 11:04 |
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| stephg | hehe | 11:04 |
| juke | kaltsi, and won't it work if i ship my app with the library? | 11:04 |
| kaltsi | juke: if you make sure that your app links to the library that you ship in your rpm.. then it may work :) | 11:05 |
| juke | ok, nice | 11:05 |
| kaltsi | juke: check it with ldd or <your preferred method> once the package is on the device | 11:05 |
| juke | i did that before but set the RPATH incorrectly, i just got mail from the harbour qa team about it | 11:05 |
| kaltsi | ahh is it the NetRadar? | 11:06 |
| juke | yes | 11:06 |
| kaltsi | ok | 11:06 |
| kaltsi | it crashes on my device possibly because of that problem | 11:06 |
| juke | so if you know the case i'm referring to, i used different headers to compile the app than to compile the library | 11:06 |
| juke | that's why it crashes | 11:07 |
| kaltsi | ok yeah the problem looked like that | 11:07 |
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| SmarteX | Anyone knows if there's a Japanese Input Method available for Sailfish? | 11:13 |
| stephg | SmarteX: there may be on on openrepos | 11:17 |
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| matrixx | hmm, which kind of icon is "Tuska 2014" app (third newest one) showing you in the store right now? | 11:19 |
| SmarteX | I can't enable untrusted software installation :/ | 11:19 |
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| Scelt | matrixx: green one about psykoanalyysi | 11:19 |
| stephg | SmarteX: why not, it doesn't let you in settings? | 11:19 |
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| matrixx | for some reason it shows the default icon on my device, and so does "Bad Voltage" even though I saw it also have a nice real icon a few days ago | 11:20 |
| SmarteX | If I tap into it, It takes me to the agreement and if I agree it's still unticked | 11:20 |
| stephg | SmarteX: oh yes, that doesn't work for me too | 11:20 |
| stephg | (but may be working underneath) | 11:20 |
| matrixx | Scelt: does it show it also in the front page of the store? | 11:20 |
| Scelt | matrixx: ye | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | could one of you mail me about that problem? | 11:20 |
| matrixx | ok, so it's only on my device | 11:20 |
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| matrixx | maybe the store has some icon caching problems | 11:21 |
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| slate | wuut | 11:21 |
| slate | Promo code: Jolla <3 PayPal | 11:21 |
| slate | :D | 11:21 |
| SmarteX | stephg: No, it doesn't work :C | 11:21 |
| slate | wrong channel, but anyway | 11:21 |
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| SmarteX | What's the root passwd? | 11:27 |
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| Stskeeps | go to developer mode, set it there | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | and devel-su in terminal | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | use it there | 11:28 |
| juke | kaltsi, what the project does not provide a spec/yaml file for rpm creation? | 11:29 |
| kaltsi | ? | 11:29 |
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| kaltsi | maybe a word or two missing from the question? | 11:30 |
| juke | i'm unable to create an rpm from the library project. can i put the the headers to the buildbox some other way? | 11:30 |
| juke | and the question above needs an "if" | 11:31 |
| kaltsi | sb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -m sdk-install -R | 11:31 |
| kaltsi | and then just cp the files in place | 11:31 |
| SmarteX | Thanks Stskeeps | 11:31 |
| juke | kaltsi, thanks! | 11:31 |
| kaltsi | but I hope you know where they need to go :) | 11:31 |
| juke | i think so... | 11:31 |
| kaltsi | ok | 11:31 |
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| SmarteX | gtg | 11:32 |
| juke | found it, thank you! | 11:32 |
| SmarteX | Bye! | 11:32 |
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| kaltsi | that sb2 -t .... means 'start an sb2 session in sdk-install mode as root user' which is almost equivalent to entering a build chroot as root | 11:32 |
| juke | i see | 11:32 |
| kaltsi | sdk-install mode = sb2 allows you to write to "system dirs" like /usr/include in that session | 11:33 |
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| kaltsi | and I assume you're building for arm.. if you want to try it in the emulator just use the SailfishOS-i486 target instead of the armv7hl | 11:33 |
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| juke | ok, thank you. | 11:34 |
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| cameris | In QML, can you have a Dialog inside a Dialog? Both have a function bound when accepted. When I open the nested one I always get: TypeError: "Cannot call method 'connect' of undefined" | 12:57 |
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| SK_work | cameris: show code | 13:00 |
| SK_work | you can have paged dialogs | 13:00 |
| SK_work | cameris: what are you trying to do ? | 13:00 |
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| juke | what was to command for installing rpm:s from commandline in the device? | 13:10 |
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| special | juke: pkcon install-local | 13:11 |
| juke | thanks! | 13:11 |
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| cameris | SK_WORK: Item { onClicked: { var dialog = PageStack ...; dialog.accepted.connect( function () ... )}}; Dialog.qml: Dialog { Item { onClicked: { var nestedDialog = PageStack...; nestedDialog.accpeted.conncect( ....)}}}; when clicking to open the second dialog i get the above errormessage. | 13:11 |
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| SK_work | cameris: please use pastebin | 13:12 |
| cameris | oh, ok. | 13:12 |
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| SK_work | ever tried to console.debug(nestedDialog) ? | 13:14 |
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| cameris | SK_work: pastebin.com/aptwBubp | 13:19 |
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| cameris | Still no clue why it won't accpet the connect for the 2nd dialog. | 13:37 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: what kind of app? | 13:51 |
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| kimmoli_sailing_ | cameris: see my tjc post of similar issue, parent lost. | 13:54 |
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| cameris | I'm so stupid: dialog.accpeted.connect instead of dialog.accepted.connect. think I should take a break, can't see those typos anymore :-P | 13:55 |
| coderus | accpet :D | 13:56 |
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| coderus | special: ping | 14:16 |
| coderus | special: can anyone update telepathy-haze tp 0.99 ? | 14:17 |
| special | coderus: why? | 14:17 |
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| special | coderus: the answer is yes, but no. 0.99 is the unreleased next branch for Telepathy 1.0, which is a massive API break across the whole system | 14:19 |
| coderus | special: thanks, i just saw new sources in tree :D | 14:19 |
| special | it will take quite awhile for us to be able to move to 1.0, even after it's released. | 14:19 |
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| coderus | added icq but it didn't show after creation in services list | 14:33 |
| coderus | any ideas? | 14:33 |
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| coderus | i just edited jabber service files for test | 14:39 |
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| coderus | special: who can i ping about it? | 14:53 |
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| special | coderus: "services list"? | 15:20 |
| tortoisedoc | hm | 15:20 |
| tortoisedoc | how long does qa usually take? 48 hours sounds like a too good to be true estimate :P | 15:21 |
| kimmoli_sailing | about that during weekdays | 15:22 |
| coderus | special: IM services | 15:26 |
| special | where | 15:27 |
| coderus | in notifications page | 15:27 |
| coderus | in pulley menu | 15:27 |
| special | mc-tool list and mc-tool show | 15:27 |
| coderus | where i choose online statuses | 15:27 |
| special | it won't show up in presence until it has connected for the first time | 15:27 |
| special | (long story.) | 15:27 |
| coderus | hm, right :D | 15:27 |
| coderus | oh | 15:27 |
| coderus | hm | 15:27 |
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| coderus | ok | 15:27 |
| special | so mc-tool show to see what the current status is | 15:28 |
| coderus | maybe some params invalid then | 15:28 |
| special | if it's requested: offline, you didn't tell it to connect | 15:28 |
| tortoisedoc | speaking of notification screen | 15:29 |
| coderus | special: http://paste.kde.org/p5l0muksk | 15:29 |
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| coderus | Restrictions: Cannot_Set_Service | 15:31 |
| coderus | seems it shouldn't be there :D | 15:31 |
| special | that isn't relevant | 15:32 |
| coderus | aha | 15:32 |
| special | debugging is.. a little tricky | 15:33 |
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| special | coderus: the easiest way to debug is to run a few things in their debug modes and see what they're doing | 15:37 |
| coderus | special: in harmattan i did following: http://paste.kde.org/p5qvcvvgb | 15:38 |
| special | I'd suggest: killall telepathy-sasl-signon; G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all SASL_SIGNON_PERSIST=1 /usr/libexec/telepathy-sasl-signon | 15:38 |
| special | ah, nevermind | 15:39 |
| special | this is haze | 15:39 |
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| special | ignore that | 15:39 |
| coderus | yup | 15:39 |
| coderus | its not sasl-signon aparently :D | 15:39 |
| special | killall mission-control-5; G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all MC_DEBUG=all /usr/libexec/mission-control-5 | 15:39 |
| special | you could also try a similar line for haze itself. | 15:40 |
| special | there are a few debug strings you can access via dbus but.. not really worth it | 15:40 |
| coderus | received incorrect password :D | 15:42 |
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| * coderus sucks :D | 15:44 | |
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| * coderus forgot icq password :D | 15:44 | |
| coderus | special: ok, i connected: http://paste.kde.org/pc50p2ne6 | 15:45 |
| tortoisedoc | icq? I thought that went offline a long time ago? | 15:45 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: icq is neverdie | 15:46 |
| lbt | icq? flowers!!!! | 15:46 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus :P | 15:46 |
| coderus | it was bought by Mail.RU Group | 15:46 |
| coderus | and it will be maintained lifetime | 15:46 |
| coderus | they promised :) | 15:46 |
| tortoisedoc | are you making a client for sailfishos? ;) | 15:46 |
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| coderus | no, i making account services | 15:47 |
| tortoisedoc | aaah | 15:47 |
| coderus | for libpurple | 15:47 |
| tortoisedoc | kewl | 15:47 |
| tortoisedoc | libpurple? | 15:47 |
| coderus | can connect to icq now | 15:47 |
| coderus | thanks special and sorry stupid me :D | 15:47 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: libpurple | 15:47 |
| coderus | telepathy-haze using libpurple :) | 15:48 |
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| special | coderus: neat | 15:51 |
| coderus | CvP_: now i need your icons :) | 15:51 |
| CvP_ | coderusi finish my work i drive home and make the icons | 15:53 |
| coderus | :) | 15:54 |
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| cvp_ | coderus: do you have all clients incl. ? like pidgin ? | 16:28 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: i will try do it myself first, just select photo, dither with nice algo to mono (2-color), scale to 264x176 (in some order which produces best result) and output in xbm - or binary chunk | 16:38 |
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| kimmoli | äh, why nomobdy told me that imagemagik cant make xbm files with filename starting with number... | 16:41 |
| tbr | o.O | 16:42 |
| tbr | that sounds stupid | 16:42 |
| kimmoli | it uses filename as the define.. e.g. filename 2.xbm contains, "#define 2_width 264" | 16:43 |
| kimmoli | imagemagik can make it but atleast irfanview is not capable of opening such | 16:45 |
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| cvp_ | coderus: here, if something is missing than let me know :) www.sailfishmods.de/download/graphic-service-hazem-icons.tar.gz | 17:05 |
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| cvp_ | coderus: if you wish, i can delete the white backgrounds if you mean it look better ;) ... i see that icq has green background, maybe i edit it to white | 17:10 |
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| tortoisedoc | grr | 18:11 |
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| tortoisedoc | am i wrong or is there no gesture control on sailfish silica? | 18:11 |
| tortoisedoc | (for gestures like swipe i mean) | 18:11 |
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| tortoisedoc | how do gestures work in silica? | 18:21 |
| tortoisedoc | or better | 18:21 |
| tortoisedoc | how are gestures handled in silica? | 18:21 |
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| tortoisedoc | coderus : ping | 18:23 |
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| piggz | tortoisedoc: swipes are guite easy to implement | 18:28 |
| piggz | s/quite | 18:28 |
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| piggz | tortoisedoc: stick this is a file called SwipeArea.qml http://pastebin.com/KC4kcWER | 18:30 |
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| tortoisedoc | piggz: is this from silica? | 18:31 |
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| piggz | tortoisedoc: no, just plain qml | 18:31 |
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| mirkolone | kimmoli: http://oi60.tinypic.com/314qh7d.jpg good game!! but can you make it full-screen? I'm using it on mako | 18:34 |
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| tortoisedoc | piggz : thanks | 18:38 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmm | 19:27 |
| tortoisedoc | interesting error I get | 19:27 |
| tortoisedoc | "This plugin does not support setting window masks" | 19:27 |
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| poskg | Hello | 19:35 |
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| coderus | tortoisedoc: late pong :) | 19:51 |
| tortoisedoc | lol | 19:51 |
| cvp_ | ^^ | 19:52 |
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| cvp_ | coderus: you see the download link ? | 19:59 |
| coderus | cvp_: yes i see everything | 20:00 |
| coderus | i'll check it tomorrow | 20:00 |
| cvp_ | ok ;) | 20:00 |
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| smoku | hi | 23:53 |
| smoku | how do I get a list of connected bluetooth devices on sailfish from Qt C++? | 23:54 |
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