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| fzk | is juhannus at saturday? | 00:09 |
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| fzk | i always forget | 00:09 |
| Hartzi | y | 00:14 |
| fzk | great, in .se it is right now | 00:16 |
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| Stskeeps | dwangoAC: monday | 04:30 |
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| coderus | _CvP_: no, it's need to create account wizard for every protocol. | 06:52 |
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| Price15 | is there some problem with accounts.jolla.com? | 07:05 |
| coderus | Price15: i have no problems :) | 07:10 |
| Price15 | I can't seem to get a login page | 07:11 |
| Stskeeps | isn't it account.jolla.com | 07:12 |
| Price15 | yup thats the one. When I enter the URL it doesnt load the webpage | 07:13 |
| coderus | Price15: your dns is broken then :) | 07:13 |
| coderus | add 8.8.8.8 in resolv | 07:13 |
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| Stskeeps | Price15: https:// ? | 07:16 |
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| coderus | two processes using same qsettings and sometimes it completely cleaned because of some internal error. | 07:20 |
| coderus | i need to switch to dconf probably... | 07:20 |
| coderus | is dconf have load group list of values functionality? | 07:21 |
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| faenil | good morning o7 | 08:23 |
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| stephg | ningles | 08:40 |
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| coderus | is upgrade to saapunki moving gconf to dconf automatically? | 09:23 |
| faenil | I think so | 09:24 |
| coderus | ok, thats good, thanks :) | 09:26 |
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| phaeron | coderus: there was communication about it on the ml afair | 09:34 |
| faenil | coderus, I remember someone talking about a script which would run after the update, which is supposed to do that | 09:35 |
| coderus | so it won't do it automatically for whole configuration? | 09:40 |
| faenil | coderus, well, the script is "automatic" :D | 09:42 |
| faenil | but I don't have details, it's just something I remember reading here or on #jollamobile | 09:42 |
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| coderus | i;m just thinking if i'll switch from qsettings to mgconfitem would app loose settings if user update sailfish from previous version to saapunki or newer | 09:50 |
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| faenil | mm don't know | 09:53 |
| _CvP_ | is the "freemote" source free to download ? | 09:54 |
| _CvP_ | coder: dridk | 09:55 |
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| coderus | why not to ask author? :D | 09:56 |
| _CvP_ | ah found it on git hub | 09:59 |
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| entil | started doing something with the ide and... how do I package a js file properly? build output looks like it's not included, and obviously the app doesn't run either :/ | 11:00 |
| entil | I guess I could just put it in qml/ and import "../foo.js" but that feels like it's in the wrong place | 11:04 |
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| Nicd- | entil: my javascript files are in qml/js for that reason | 11:18 |
| Nicd- | I don't think it's a bad solution though, since the js files are only used from the qml files | 11:18 |
| entil | Nicd-: oh.. guess that's a bit better anyway :) | 11:18 |
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| entil | seems also the javascript is more restrictive in qml than in browsers.. mgr = this; is completely ok in the browser but here Error: Invalid write to global property "mgr" | 11:43 |
| entil | hooray for workarouns ;P | 11:43 |
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| Nicd- | entil: you cannot create global variables | 11:44 |
| entil | I'm not sure this is the best design for this... but var Foo = (function(foo, data) {...}(Foo, {})); | 11:45 |
| entil | then I can use data | 11:45 |
| entil | but because it's a workaround for not creating global variables it'll probably leak all the memory, and set the battery on fire | 11:46 |
| Nicd- | but if you just use 'var foo = something;' in the global scope (not inside a function) of your javascript file, you can use it elsewhere iith 'import "jsfile.js" as Foo; ... something = Foo.foo' | 11:46 |
| entil | sure | 11:46 |
| Nicd- | so what do you want to actually do? | 11:46 |
| entil | an mtg mana calculator :D with a manager object that keeps states like are we calculating the mana base for a limited or constructed deck (because that affects the ui a bit) | 11:47 |
| entil | figured I'd have the js object, expose some relevant methods from it, and use qml only to call it | 11:48 |
| Nicd- | I think that's a valid way of doing it, if it works | 11:48 |
| entil | yeah, I was just taken a bit by surpriz that I couldn't do the old mgr = this; functin(foo) {mgr.format = foo;} kind of trick | 11:48 |
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| Nicd- | here's how I use moment.js in QML: https://gist.github.com/Nicd/10675726 | 11:49 |
| entil | function setFormat(foo) would be more like it ;P | 11:49 |
| Nicd- | may help or may confuse you :P | 11:49 |
| Nicd- | I should update that, it seems there's version 2.7.0 already | 11:51 |
| entil | Nicd-: I think it's more about distracting me, sorry :> it's a bit of tldr for now, because I kinda know what I'm doing here | 11:51 |
| entil | unless I missed something relevant, but dunno | 11:52 |
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| Nicd- | remember to use '.pragma library' if you want your JS file to have the same state in all QML pages | 11:53 |
| Nicd- | if it gets used in many pages, that is | 11:53 |
| entil | it gets reinstantiated otherwise? | 11:53 |
| Nicd- | yes, all pages get their own instance otherwise | 11:54 |
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| entil | oh yeah, I told it to be stateless, I guess | 11:55 |
| entil | ... wtf... tested this.. by checking the "stateless" checkbox it adds .pragma library | 11:56 |
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| entil | so ok, it takes anything without state only ones to share around, which is what we want when we add our own state | 11:56 |
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| Nicd- | entil: yeah, stateless is kind of misleading, it just means it has one state that is the same for all pages | 12:11 |
| Nicd- | so a kind of a singleton | 12:11 |
| entil | that'd make more sense naming-wise but might be a bit misleading for general libraries | 12:12 |
| * stephg finally has a sim for his n4 | 12:12 | |
| entil | there are only two difficult things about programming, concurrency and naming ;) | 12:12 |
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| Nicd- | "I always thought the concurrency three hardest things in CS were naming things, cache invalidation and off-by-one errors." | 12:18 |
| entil | haha | 12:19 |
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| Yaniel | you forgot something | 12:22 |
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| Yaniel | oh, nvm | 12:22 |
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| entil | I'd happily add anything related to UIs to that | 12:29 |
| entil | not only that UI components always end up wheretf ever but also coming up with a usable ui in the first place | 12:29 |
| entil | guess only the first one of those is an actual programming thing | 12:30 |
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| Nicd- | Yaniel: your brain autofixed the sentence by skipping concurrency? :P | 12:31 |
| Yaniel | no, it parsed it *with* concurrency | 12:33 |
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| Yaniel | as something like "the three hardest concurrency things" | 12:33 |
| entil | :( https://together.jolla.com/question/2976/sailfishsilicaslider-documentation-andor-implementation-bug/ | 12:33 |
| entil | that documentation should've been better ;) | 12:33 |
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| MSameer | coderus: if you use mgconf item and the data is in gconf then it should be migrated to dconf after the update | 13:06 |
| MSameer | coderus: there is /usr/bin/gconf2dconf (code is in dconf repos) if you want to check | 13:06 |
| * MSameer doesn't remember which update got dconf :D | 13:07 | |
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| entil | is there really no event for navigateBack()? I mean if I wanted to reset state when the user swipes back, how would that happen? | 13:46 |
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| entil | guess it's not the end of the world resetting it when navigating forwards the next time... | 13:56 |
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| coderus | MSameer: saapunki of course :) | 14:09 |
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| coderus | entil: onStatusChanged: if (page.status === PageStatus.Inactive) {} | 14:10 |
| coderus | and you can also check pageStack.depth to be sure it's pop action and not pop | 14:11 |
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| entil | hmm, it clearly hits the onStatusChanged and the if but doesn't work exactly right, so it must be a bug in my code | 14:14 |
| entil | but thanks | 14:14 |
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| entil | I wish there was a way to fix an element at the bottom of the page and have a scrollable/flickable above it, but apparently that's not possible | 14:17 |
| entil | was thinking gridview, but that doesn't seem right | 14:18 |
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| faenil | entil, sorry, just read your last lines, but what's wrong with putting the item at bottom of the page and a list view above it? | 14:20 |
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| entil | faenil: maybe I'm just stupid when it comes to UIs, but the way I built this, I have a bunch of Sliders and a Label, where the Sliders affect the Label | 14:21 |
| entil | faenil: and it's a bit annoying to scroll down to the Label so I'd like it fixed at the bottom | 14:21 |
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| entil | afaict grid view is for slapping components one after the other and list view is for listing them... but nothing says "fix element at this position" | 14:22 |
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| MSameer | coderus: I really don't remember. I think it was update 7 :) | 14:22 |
| entil | hmm.. would this work so that I define a list view that's the hight of the device screen, minus the PageHeading and the Label at the bottom? | 14:22 |
| faenil | entil, something like Page { List { anchors.top: parent.top } BottomItem { anchors.top: list.bottom; anchors.bottom: parent.bottom } } | 14:23 |
| Morpog_PC___ | MSameer, from changelogs: update7 | 14:23 |
| faenil | entil, I think I need a drawing of what you're trying to do, sorry :) | 14:23 |
| MSameer | coderus: but yeah it should be migrated (unless something is wrong). sailfish gets migrated (either core apps or 3rd party apps) | 14:23 |
| MSameer | Morpog_PC___: thanks | 14:24 |
| entil | faenil: I think that's actually helpful of you already :) I need to finish doing the cover text and then get back to the actual UI though | 14:24 |
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| faenil | entil, okay, if you need help just open a scratchpad and show me ;) | 14:24 |
| entil | faenil: thanks, I might do that in a while :> | 14:24 |
| faenil | :) | 14:24 |
| faenil | (I haven't used QML in a while, but we'll see ;) ) | 14:25 |
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| entil | ok, got the cover done, let's get back to the anchoring ;) | 14:31 |
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| coderus | just share your code and we'll help :) | 14:33 |
| coderus | i read all your messages but can't understand what you want without seeing code:) | 14:33 |
| entil | sure, setting up a github repo now | 14:34 |
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| entil | https://github.com/mjtorn/manasail/blob/master/qml/pages/calc.qml | 14:35 |
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| entil | dunno if I should take another shot at this first.. but if it's obvious to you.. what I'd like to do is have the scrollable/flickable sliders at the top and the label fixed at the bottom and I think it's achors and height that does it, by what faenil said | 14:36 |
| entil | https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-silicalistview.html | 14:38 |
| entil | not sure I see how to fit that into the SilicaListView model/delegate paradigm tho | 14:38 |
| entil | what if I just used Columns? Rectangles? | 14:39 |
| faenil | I still need a scratch :/ | 14:39 |
| faenil | ah ok | 14:39 |
| faenil | maybe I got what you want | 14:39 |
| faenil | you want the sliders to be in a list | 14:39 |
| faenil | and the final Label to be fixed at the bottom | 14:40 |
| faenil | without scrolling | 14:40 |
| faenil | is that it? | 14:40 |
| entil | well.. let's say I want them in a list or whatever that separates them from the fixed-position label ;) | 14:40 |
| entil | afaict ListView means something else in qt | 14:40 |
| entil | in css I guess it'd be overflow: auto | 14:40 |
| coderus | entil: just move label out of flickable | 14:41 |
| coderus | set it anchors.bottom: page bottom | 14:41 |
| coderus | and flickable bottom: label.top | 14:41 |
| coderus | that's it | 14:41 |
| coderus | you can add margins at your own taste | 14:41 |
| entil | yeah, I need to work on FrontPage's margins and stuff like that later, and there are probably more subtle issues still with the sliders (what if someone needs to adjust the upper limit?) | 14:42 |
| entil | haha I failed that so bad, it looks like crap | 14:43 |
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| entil | definitely on the right track, though, but I must have made a silly mistake because the label is at the bottom ok but the heading and sliders start at the bottom too | 14:45 |
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| faenil | entil, sorry my connection is very unstable :( | 14:47 |
| faenil | but it seems you got what you needed, by reading the chat log :) | 14:47 |
| coderus | faenil: problem seems to be solved now :) | 14:47 |
| entil | not exactly :/ | 14:48 |
| faenil | ok good | 14:48 |
| faenil | oh | 14:48 |
| coderus | entil: m? | 14:48 |
| entil | I had to add anchors.top: parent.top to the flickable | 14:48 |
| coderus | entil: sure | 14:48 |
| faenil | <faenil> well, just take out the Label from the list and anchor it at the bottom | 14:48 |
| faenil | I sent that ^ but it seems it didn't make t | 14:48 |
| faenil | it* | 14:48 |
| entil | height: calcPage.height - summary.height | 14:48 |
| coderus | faenil: it's why i'm using irssi in server screen :) | 14:48 |
| entil | this seems broken as well | 14:48 |
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| coderus | entil: no, you dont need to subtract anythig | 14:49 |
| faenil | coderus, I know, I know :D but I'm still against irssi... :D I'm so used to xchat, I find the layout lovely | 14:49 |
| coderus | you just make Label sibling to flickable | 14:49 |
| coderus | faenil: so, i'm oldschool | 14:49 |
| coderus | you know | 14:49 |
| locusf | irssi <3 | 14:49 |
| Nicd- | weechat <3 | 14:50 |
| coderus | oh, i need to go, hope faenil can help you more | 14:50 |
| coderus | brb in a hour or so | 14:50 |
| entil | thanks coderus! | 14:50 |
| faenil | entil, Page { Flickable { anchors.top: parent.top; anchors.left: parent.top; anchors.right: parent.right; anchors.bottom: label.top } Label { anchors.bottom: parent.bottom; anchors.left: parent.left; anchors.right: parent.right } } | 14:50 |
| faenil | coderus, yeah well, I always prefer cmdline over gui...but on IRC:..I still can't let go of xchat's layout :) | 14:50 |
| faenil | it's just too clean :D | 14:50 |
| entil | https://github.com/mjtorn/manasail/blob/master/qml/pages/calc.qml made it a sibling and added top anchoring, so it's _almost_ there | 14:51 |
| entil | when you say "anchors.left: parent.top;" you mean "anchors.left: parent.left" yes? | 14:51 |
| faenil | yeah, ofc :) | 14:52 |
| faenil | entil, isn't your current calc.qml doing what you want? | 14:52 |
| entil | nope, it doesn't scroll the slider section and it renders the label on top of the sliders | 14:53 |
| entil | that's why I was looking into heights, but that was apparently not ok | 14:53 |
| faenil | get rid of the flickable for a moment and just leave the label | 14:55 |
| faenil | and see if it anchors at the bottom of the page | 14:55 |
| entil | http://mjt.nysv.org/screenshots/manasail-fail-01.png | 14:56 |
| entil | that screenshot turned out pretty horrible .D | 14:56 |
| entil | but it should show the anchors and a screenshot of how it fails | 14:57 |
| faenil | ok so it is at the bottom | 14:57 |
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| faenil | try adding "clip:true" to the flickable | 14:57 |
| entil | faenil: oh whoah, that's definitely progress! | 14:58 |
| entil | now if it only scrolled | 14:58 |
| faenil | also, you deleted the "contentHeight" line in the Flickable | 14:58 |
| faenil | why did you do that? :) | 14:58 |
| entil | carelessness :D | 14:59 |
| entil | when I thought I needed to adjust the height of the flickable to match everything except the label and whatever | 14:59 |
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| entil | [17:49] < coderus> entil: no, you dont need to subtract anythig | 15:00 |
| entil | then I accidentally threw the whole line out | 15:00 |
| entil | but you guys are amazing, this actually looks good now | 15:00 |
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| entil | sure I need margins and preferrably a fixed-width font, but thanks a million | 15:00 |
| faenil_ | gah | 15:01 |
| faenil_ | let me read chat log | 15:01 |
| entil | faenil: btw I have ignored channel actions so I have no idea when you got disconnected | 15:01 |
| entil | actually it seems you haven't | 15:01 |
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| faenil_ | not yet, the other "faenil" is still waiting for the 4mins timeout | 15:01 |
| faenil_ | :) | 15:01 |
| faenil_ | it will disconnect in a minute or so | 15:02 |
| faenil_ | entil, anyway, so, it's doing what you want now? :) | 15:02 |
| entil | absolutely, bro :) | 15:02 |
| entil | you guys are amazing | 15:02 |
| faenil_ | great :) | 15:02 |
| faenil_ | nah, too kind! | 15:02 |
| entil | turns out I only need the bottom anchor on the label but all four anchors on the flickable | 15:02 |
| faenil_ | I'll be working on my thesis (fighting with latek :P ) if you need help, shout :) | 15:03 |
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| entil | if you know why I need all the anchors, off the back of your hand, pray tell, but I think I have my own bugs and such to figure out now ;) | 15:03 |
| faenil_ | I always specify all the anchors, I don't like weird sideeffects ;) | 15:03 |
| entil | changing the land count without having mana counts prints out NaN and stuff like that | 15:03 |
| entil | yeah, I think I need to pick that habit up as well | 15:04 |
| faenil_ | if you use fill: that's ok | 15:04 |
| faenil_ | but if you don't | 15:04 |
| entil | but the label top iirc caused issues | 15:04 |
| faenil_ | I'd rather specify all of them | 15:04 |
| faenil_ | well yeah | 15:04 |
| faenil_ | because list bottom is using the label's height to know where to put itself | 15:04 |
| faenil_ | if you also specify label top | 15:05 |
| entil | like in the Label { anchors.top: calcFlickable.bottom } would imo make sense | 15:05 |
| faenil_ | both label and list expect the other to tell it where to take place | 15:05 |
| faenil_ | not really | 15:05 |
| entil | the renderer would resolve the circular nature of those and figure it out | 15:05 |
| entil | but I guess it doesn't :D | 15:05 |
| faenil_ | how can it figure it out | 15:05 |
| faenil_ | it doesn't know flickables height :) | 15:05 |
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| faenil_ | one has to take priority on the other, and how do you decide that | 15:05 |
| entil | I guess it would have to find it out... | 15:06 |
| entil | myeah | 15:06 |
| entil | I dunno, checking for circularity as such is not an impossible task | 15:06 |
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| faenil_ | no it can't find out, it's you who decide it's height :) | 15:06 |
| faenil_ | of course, but that's not the problem | 15:06 |
| entil | so I guess I assumed it'd work here, but it's ok to remember, that I shouldn't specify the top, if I ever come across this again | 15:06 |
| faenil_ | the problem is what height do you assign to the list? | 15:06 |
| faenil_ | if you understand the problem you won't have to "remind" this ;) | 15:07 |
| entil | the label you mean? the flickable has its height from the column inside it | 15:07 |
| entil | oh crap, it's not the height of the flickable but the height of its contents | 15:07 |
| faenil_ | I think that's not how it works, due to Flickable's nature | 15:07 |
| faenil_ | exactly | 15:07 |
| entil | but now if I _don't_ specify the top of the Label it knows how to calculate everything | 15:07 |
| faenil_ | yes, because Label has its height (given by the paintedHeight probably) | 15:08 |
| faenil_ | and the list will attach to that | 15:08 |
| entil | Label is instantiated without content and then on onCompleted it gets the summary text; in theory I should probably be able to insert new lines there and silica/qt5 would adjust everything? | 15:08 |
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| faenil_ | yes it should, as long as Flickable is anchored to label's top | 15:09 |
| entil | wonder if I could do this the other way around, remove anchors.bottom from the flickable and use anchors.top in the label, I'll try that just to see what happens ;P | 15:09 |
| faenil_ | how does it know what is flickable's bottom? | 15:09 |
| entil | this'll probably just be broken but I want to see what it looks like | 15:09 |
| faenil_ | there is a chance that it will look "good" | 15:09 |
| entil | it doesn't show the sliders at all | 15:10 |
| faenil_ | but just because it would print text outside of its box | 15:10 |
| entil | but it's stuff like this that makes me dislike css and even qml, I just don't understand the problems and solutions the same way I do with (some) other types of code :D | 15:10 |
| faenil_ | if you remove anchors.bottom from the flickable, how do you expect it to know flickable's height? (genuine question) | 15:10 |
| entil | I would assume qt5 or silica or someone calculates it based on the label, if label has anchors.top: calcFlickable.bottom | 15:11 |
| faenil_ | mmm, I don't get what's weird in this, honestly :) | 15:11 |
| entil | it would know the height of the label and the height of the screen and put the flickable on top of the label with that height | 15:11 |
| faenil_ | yes, but how does it know what flickable.bottom means? | 15:11 |
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| faenil_ | no, it shouldn't do that | 15:12 |
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| faenil_ | because when you're defining anchors on label | 15:12 |
| faenil_ | you're telling how LABEL should look | 15:12 |
| entil | hmmh... I guess my twisted mind thought it'd kinda like assign flickable.bottom maybe? | 15:12 |
| faenil_ | not the flickable | 15:12 |
| entil | so because I'm not exactly anchoring the flickable at the top, I can't approach this through the flickable | 15:13 |
| entil | but instead tell the flickable that it ends at the label and let the lable sort its top out by itself | 15:13 |
| entil | or something | 15:13 |
| faenil_ | yes | 15:13 |
| faenil_ | you *are* anchoring flickable at the top | 15:14 |
| faenil_ | but you're not specifying its height | 15:14 |
| faenil_ | so the system doesn't have a way to know where *you* want the flickable to end | 15:14 |
| entil | unless I anchor it to the label's top... | 15:15 |
| faenil_ | on the other hand, the system *knows* where label ends, because it is a text element, and it knows its height | 15:15 |
| entil | mmmyeah | 15:15 |
| entil | I gave the flickable a height to see what would happen | 15:16 |
| entil | and removed the anchor | 15:16 |
| faenil_ | the difference being that Flickable is something which is supposed to be smaller than its content, so it doesn't make sense for the system to assign it the height of its content (in this case the columN) | 15:16 |
| entil | so basically if anchors didn't exist, I would have to do all the subtraction myself and assign it to flickable's height | 15:16 |
| entil | now I got this funky void between the Flickable and the Label ;P | 15:17 |
| faenil_ | but anchors are one of the best things in qml | 15:17 |
| faenil_ | you shouldn't think without them :P | 15:17 |
| entil | it sure seems that way | 15:17 |
| entil | and I can't believe that this crap actually looks semi-professional now | 15:17 |
| entil | :D | 15:17 |
| faenil_ | ahha :) | 15:17 |
| faenil_ | entil, I recommend reading http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtquick-usecase-layouts.html | 15:18 |
| faenil_ | ;) | 15:18 |
| entil | there's the one divide by zero bug and I need to center the contents on FirstPage and then I might actually look into getting this to the store | 15:18 |
| faenil_ | and there's also http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtquick-positioning-topic.html | 15:19 |
| faenil_ | those might clear your doubts a bit :) | 15:19 |
| entil | I think one of the android mana calc apps is the only reason I ever run the android environment anymore | 15:20 |
| entil | cuz I patched KibiTiles (git version) to give out 4s every once in a while so it matches the android version -> no need to run the android stuff for that either | 15:21 |
| entil | faenil_: I'll most definitely need those now | 15:21 |
| faenil_ | :) | 15:21 |
| faenil_ | 1.6dB SNR in download, I guess I'll be disconnected soon | 15:22 |
| entil | I just squashed what afaict is the last functional bug so I need to read up on my positioning | 15:22 |
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| coderus | entil: what the status? | 15:46 |
| entil | coderus: looking good, thanks :> | 15:46 |
| coderus | good :) | 15:46 |
| entil | having just a bit of a hard time with y padding on the label but this is way better than I ever imagined it'd be | 15:46 |
| entil | faenil_ had some valuable links | 15:46 |
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| faenil_ | there's anchors.margins, if you want the same padding for all anchors | 15:48 |
| faenil_ | otherwise, you can give each anchors its own padding | 15:48 |
| faenil_ | anchor* | 15:48 |
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| entil | faenil_: that puts a padding on each assigned anchor? | 15:50 |
| faenil_ | yes | 15:50 |
| entil | I actually traded in left and right on the Label for x because x: Theme.paddingLarge * 2 aligns it with the sliders | 15:50 |
| entil | there's probably an implicit Theme.paddingLarge somewhere and another explicit one I put in Column's spacing | 15:51 |
| entil | actually what I'd like is margin at the top of the label and... y doesn't do it... and I can't assign anchor.top either | 15:51 |
| faenil_ | please, don't use x and y for this stuff | 15:51 |
| faenil_ | there's margins, why not use those :) | 15:51 |
| faenil_ | why do you want to use a fork to hit on a nail :D | 15:52 |
| faenil_ | you can do that but...you know :D | 15:52 |
| entil | ok, fair enough, but anchors.left didn't put the proper margin in there.. | 15:53 |
| entil | because it's not aligned with the sliders unless I do x: Theme.paddingLarge * 2 (or some equivalent I don't know of) | 15:53 |
| faenil_ | anchors.leftMargin | 15:54 |
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| entil | if I say anchors.left: parent.left; anchors.margins: Theme.paddingLarge * 2; it does align the left with the sliders but it looks ridiculous at the bottom, it's enough to have a single padding at the bottom | 15:54 |
| entil | :D | 15:54 |
| entil | oh | 15:54 |
| entil | faenil_: but what can I do for the top? because there's no anchor defined for the top and y: .. silently fails | 15:55 |
| entil | anchors.topMargin fails too | 15:56 |
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| entil | I put an anchors.bottomMargin in the flickable :P | 15:58 |
| entil | now it looks like it's a top margin in the label | 15:59 |
| faenil__ | you can always put the label inside an Item | 15:59 |
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| faenil__ | and handle paddings there | 15:59 |
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| entil | would that be more correct than padding the bottom on the flickable? | 15:59 |
| entil | like from a best practices point of view? | 15:59 |
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| faenil__ | well, I'm just a student, not a professional QML coder :) but it would make more sense, from my pov | 16:00 |
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| faenil__ | but a padding at flickable's bottom also makes sense | 16:00 |
| faenil__ | I'd choose both | 16:00 |
| faenil__ | but it's not important | 16:00 |
| entil | to me it seems a bit of a hack... now I was expecting this flickable bottom to look different but it actually looks just as I need this to look | 16:00 |
| entil | so I'll stick to it because it's done :D | 16:01 |
| faenil__ | what seems a bit of a hack | 16:01 |
| entil | having the label inside an item just to have something to pad against | 16:01 |
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| entil | I'd do that if padding the flickable bottom didn't look good, but it does look good, so I'm keeping it :) | 16:02 |
| faenil__ | entil, in fact, you can probably also just set anchors.topMargin | 16:02 |
| faenil__ | have you tried that? | 16:02 |
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| entil | I cannot set that on the label, I tried of course, but probably because it doesn't have anchor.top defined it doesn't work | 16:02 |
| entil | that's where I got the idea of padding the bottom of the flickable.. | 16:03 |
| faenil__ | ok | 16:03 |
| faenil__ | honestly, I don't think having an Item is a hack, because it really is something the label is part of | 16:04 |
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| faenil__ | don't know, makes a lot of sense in my mind :) | 16:04 |
| faenil__ | you have this box, which holds this string of text | 16:04 |
| faenil__ | and you place the string of text in the right position in this box :) | 16:04 |
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| entil | mmh | 16:05 |
| entil | I dunno, I really don't :/ | 16:05 |
| faenil__ | :) | 16:05 |
| entil | but I'm almost getting hungry, I accidentally spent the most of the day on this ;) | 16:05 |
| entil | I should install it on my phone and see if it works irl at all | 16:05 |
| faenil__ | ahah :) | 16:05 |
| entil | anyone play magic: the gathering here? | 16:05 |
| entil | there is a UX issue still, with using sliders for the mana counts, because it has a fixed upper bound | 16:06 |
| locusf | yep | 16:06 |
| locusf | I made a life counter for it | 16:06 |
| entil | locusf: how would you like to use a mana calculator on the jolla?-) | 16:06 |
| entil | locusf: the score app that's in the store? | 16:06 |
| locusf | entil: I don't do much mtg nowadays | 16:06 |
| faenil__ | "Note: Anchor margins only apply to anchors; they are not a generic means of applying margins to an Item. If an anchor margin is specified for an edge but the item is not anchored to any item on that edge, the margin is not applied." | 16:07 |
| locusf | entil: mtgcounter yes | 16:07 |
| faenil__ | (from Qt docs) | 16:07 |
| entil | locusf: that's probably the app I've been using a lot :) | 16:07 |
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| entil | the missus has an app on her iphone which splits the screen in two and each player can keep score themselves on it, which is actually kinda nice as well | 16:08 |
| locusf | entil: glad you like it, too bad I have yet to figure out how to keep the screen on | 16:08 |
| entil | a split-screen mode would be a nice feature *wink* ;) | 16:08 |
| entil | locusf: I just changed my settings | 16:08 |
| entil | but honestly I use a life die as well... | 16:08 |
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| entil | locusf: but still, if you have an opinion on what kinds of input widgets you'd like to see in a mana base calculator, plz say so :> | 16:09 |
| entil | I was thinking of the clock, but the widget probably supports only times and then there'd have to be tabs or somesuch for different colors because the widget's so huge | 16:09 |
| entil | another option is a button next to every slider that bumps up the upper bound, but I'm not sure how to pull that off without making it all a mess | 16:10 |
| locusf | entil: I don't even know much about mana base calculations :) | 16:10 |
| locusf | but yeah will help ya if needed | 16:11 |
| entil | if it's a trivial split I've figured it out .. with my brain(!).. or used the basic calculator for it, but an app makes it nicer | 16:11 |
| entil | locusf: well, it's a UI thing, you can see the sliders at http://mjt.nysv.org/screenshots/manasail-fail-01.png | 16:11 |
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| entil | locusf: I have limited and constructed presets here, they only set the default land count, and the maximum... and the maximums are a problem because there is no maximum in practice | 16:12 |
| locusf | entil: yep | 16:13 |
| entil | locusf: your app used Buttons apparently, maybe I'll just look into adding a +5 button next to each slider somehow, unless you have a better idea | 16:14 |
| locusf | entil: yeah | 16:16 |
| entil | btw, this is fscking amazing to use on the phone, I'm sure some kind of sliding widget is the solution instead of typing in numbers and suffering the keyboard sliding up and all | 16:16 |
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| entil | the only thing I didn't really see on the emulator is that trying to flick back in the pagestack is kinda hard.. because the focus is grabbed by a slider almost every time, so maybe the buttons would also bring some empty space to make swiping easier. unless it makes it annoyingly sparse | 16:17 |
| entil | anyway, gonna look into that soon | 16:17 |
| locusf | you can just click on the dots in the top of the page :) | 16:18 |
| entil | sure, but I never do that by default ;) | 16:18 |
| locusf | ah | 16:18 |
| entil | I need to take a break before looking into the buttons | 16:19 |
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| coderus | can anyone please unlock this question and remove fk_lx answer: https://together.jolla.com/question/1020/support-for-firefox-os-apps/ ? | 17:17 |
| coderus | or should i create a new one? | 17:18 |
| coderus | this shouldn't be closed until implemented | 17:18 |
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| coderus | and it should be voted by users, because without votes it won't be implemented :D | 17:18 |
| faenil | :) | 17:19 |
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| tbr | coderus: I think you should post a new question, that actually asks for FxOS app support to be implemented. | 17:23 |
| tbr | That question was IMHO correctly answered. | 17:23 |
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| coderus | tbr: no, its not correctly answered | 17:29 |
| coderus | i asked brwser mainteiners :) | 17:29 |
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| tbr | coderus: the question was if they investigated it. the answer was 'yes they are investigating it'. | 17:30 |
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| coderus | ah, ok then :) | 17:33 |
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| tbr | I think it makes more sense to open a new question and ask what you actually want, that is support for FxOS apps actually implemented. | 17:34 |
| faenil | makes sens | 17:35 |
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| entil | faenil: would you mind taking a look at this? http://mjt.nysv.org/screenshots/manasail-fail-02.png | 17:39 |
| faenil | entil, sup | 17:40 |
| entil | faenil: nothing's _actually_ broken but the button layout is off.. and I had to ditch Rectangle, so would you have a clue for best practices? is the height deal any ok? | 17:40 |
| faenil | mm? | 17:40 |
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| entil | faenil: as you may see in the screenshot, I calculate the flickable's height manually now | 17:41 |
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| entil | https://github.com/mjtorn/manasail/commit/6b74f4d5f18cfbcd6ef859a471c8b3745ad3aa5e#diff-8040bf676a7ec25cc3e59c2236474ce3 the diff is a mess | 17:41 |
| entil | but the IDE told me I can't anchor stuff inside a Column | 17:41 |
| entil | yeah sorry, meant to say Column, not Rectangle | 17:42 |
| coderus | who want Firefox webapps to be implemented in sailfish-browser please vote here: https://together.jolla.com/question/47923/webapps-support-to-sailfish-browser/ | 17:42 |
| faenil | yes you can't, because the Column is an anchoring item | 17:42 |
| entil | and after googling it makes sense that a Column is a convenience wrapper but more complicated stuff like the buttons next to sliders are not ... conventiable | 17:42 |
| faenil | entil, hey, btw, there is "contentHeight: childrenRect.height" :) | 17:43 |
| entil | anyway, there are some small issues with that that I hate. 1) I don't know if it's ok to calculate the height like I do 2) the buttons are not aligned to the sliders; is there a way to do that? 3) why is the margin so huge between the slider and the button? 4) how do I properly resize the button :D | 17:43 |
| faenil | Column { Row {} Row{} Row{} } ? | 17:43 |
| entil | ok, I did Item because you mentioned it before | 17:43 |
| faenil | lol :D | 17:44 |
| entil | do you think it's a worthwhile effort to go back to Column and use Row inside it? would it help with things like 3) the margin between the slider and the button? | 17:44 |
| faenil | we were talking about the label :D | 17:44 |
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| entil | to me containing a couple of widgets like the slider and button is less of a hack than containing a single label :D | 17:45 |
| faenil | the code is much cleaner if you use Columns and Rows | 17:45 |
| faenil | as you don't need all the anchors and it handles the layout automatically using "spacing" | 17:45 |
| faenil | (btw, there's nothing wrong using Items to do what you did, it's just cleaner with Rows and Columns as they're done for that purpose) | 17:47 |
| entil | I was just happy to pull even that off :> | 17:47 |
| entil | except for the fact that I can't seem to align the buttons, or make the margin between a slider and a button smaller | 17:47 |
| entil | and I think most of the widths are hacks I pulled out of thin air because they kinda happen to look ok, not because I'd know that's how to do it... | 17:48 |
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| entil | is it like ok to say Button { width: Theme.fontSizeSmall * 2 } because it seems like the button font is small and * 2 makes it ok for two characters? because it's not a fixed width font and fonts aren't necessarily the same units as the width... I'd say no | 17:49 |
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| faenil | entil, you want the button to be as wide as its label? | 17:51 |
| entil | yes | 17:51 |
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| entil | ie. as small as possible | 17:51 |
| faenil | I'd recommend having a fixed side for the buttons | 17:52 |
| faenil | different width for every button would look weird | 17:52 |
| faenil | size* | 17:52 |
| entil | in the current version they are all the same though | 17:52 |
| faenil | yeah, but they won't be if you change the labels | 17:52 |
| entil | I just pulled the value for it out of nowhere and I think it works by accident | 17:52 |
| faenil | anyway, you're not supposed to be allowed to do that, by looking at button api | 17:53 |
| faenil | but let's see if we can access the label width | 17:53 |
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| faenil | you can try width: button.labelText.paintedWidth | 17:55 |
| faenil | but not really sure that will work | 17:55 |
| faenil | (probably won't) | 17:55 |
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| entil | well.. bad news... I went back to Container and put in all the Row blocks, and I can't see the button at all (I added only the first one thus far) | 17:56 |
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| faenil | read the docs about columns and rows ;) | 17:56 |
| entil | I have to I'm sure | 17:57 |
| faenil | :) | 17:57 |
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| entil | meh, this looks like it should actually work already | 17:58 |
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| entil | oh, it's a question of having too much width in the slider, apparently | 18:00 |
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| entil | faenil: oh yeah, I'm pretty sure this'll never work btw, because the button and slider have completely different heights and all that | 18:03 |
| faenil | who cares | 18:04 |
| faenil | entil, you can set the height of the rows | 18:05 |
| faenil | and use anchors.verticalCenter: parent.verticalCenter on the sliders and buttons | 18:06 |
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| faenil | QML is...awesome :D | 18:06 |
| faenil | (but you should still read the docs :P ) | 18:06 |
| entil | unfortunately anchors.verticalCenter does not align them so they look good, which is why I did Button { anchors.topMargin: slider.height / 5 } because it matches pretty close | 18:08 |
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| faenil | I see, well, if they have different paddings at the bottom, you have to play with it :D | 18:09 |
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| entil | exactly | 18:10 |
| faenil | ( still, use columns and anchors :D ) | 18:11 |
| faenil | and Rows*, I meant | 18:11 |
| faenil | strange that they don't align though | 18:14 |
| faenil | maybe the font has different size? dunno | 18:14 |
| entil | it's not a huge amount of pixels | 18:15 |
| entil | not sure how much people actually care but it looks off :/ | 18:15 |
| faenil | yea I understand | 18:15 |
| faenil | not sure what causes that different | 18:15 |
| faenil | difference* | 18:15 |
| faenil | should have a look at the sources | 18:16 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: just ignore me and my stupid tweets :p | 18:24 |
| coderus | kimmoli: :D | 18:25 |
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| kimmoli | ah, need to port this next; https://github.com/repaper/gratis somekind of split between stm32 and jolla/Linux | 18:28 |
| faenil_ | cool :) | 18:29 |
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| djuken | can we download the sailfish launcher now? | 19:32 |
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| entil | yay, my app passed my usability testing and I even got an icon drawn to not break any copyrights | 19:55 |
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| entil | next up, but not today, I have to make it conform to https://harbour.jolla.com/faq | 19:55 |
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| arnav-g | hey sledges | 19:57 |
| locusf | entil: nice job :) | 19:57 |
| sledges | arnav-g: ahoj :) | 19:58 |
| arnav-g | :) | 19:58 |
| arnav-g | I am nolinuxnoparty from github | 19:58 |
| sledges | good you carved out my reply :) | 19:58 |
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| sledges | good github nickname arnav-g ;) | 20:00 |
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| arnav-g | hey again sledges | 20:28 |
| sledges | heyo :) | 20:28 |
| arnav-g | I asked a question ._. | 20:28 |
| sledges | you got timed pingout :) | 20:28 |
| sledges | check online logs, no question if urs | 20:29 |
| arnav-g | Where are the logs situated? :) | 20:29 |
| arnav-g | also asking again how can I bringup a cm11 device to mer? | 20:29 |
| jake9xx | arnav-g: can u access fastboot on that? | 20:30 |
| arnav-g | yeap | 20:30 |
| arnav-g | Specifically its an Xperia M Packed with Adreno 305 and MSM8227 | 20:31 |
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| arnav-g | brb | 20:33 |
| jake9xx | ok, first you need the kernel adaptation to be done for that... but as these questions tend to popup here and there I think Stskeeps vgrade and tbr could write a 101 on the requirements or something | 20:33 |
| CvP_ | re | 20:33 |
| entil | locusf: thx :) | 20:34 |
| jake9xx | btw, regarding UR4/UE4 - it's not OSS. Actually it's not even close. If you buy source license and tweak it in your game project you cannot release it w/o agreement from Epic | 20:34 |
| tbr | arnav-g: long story short, best wait for HADK, but if you can't wait, look at the hardware adaptation for Nexus 5 | 20:35 |
| tortoisedoc | jeeee | 20:35 |
| * tortoisedoc happy | 20:35 | |
| tortoisedoc | first release on OpenRepos! :) | 20:36 |
| tortoisedoc | https://openrepos.net/content/giuliettasw/quickbar | 20:36 |
| entil | jake9xx: oh yeah, looked into that, and definitely not the ease one would wish for | 20:36 |
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| kimmoli | tortoisedoc: no grrrr ?? !! :) | 20:37 |
| Yaniel | tortoisedoc: kinda makes the "lock" screen obsolete but hey it's a tweakable system | 20:37 |
| tortoisedoc | kimmoli : not this time :P | 20:37 |
| tortoisedoc | yaniel : yes that is a good discussion point | 20:38 |
| tortoisedoc | unfortunately, jPhone does not have a status bar like n9 ;/ | 20:38 |
| tortoisedoc | so for now lock screen will do | 20:38 |
| tortoisedoc | it is more of a proof of concept | 20:38 |
| tortoisedoc | perhaps it helps in opening up other ways to integrate apps more seamlessly | 20:38 |
| arnav-g | tbr: HADK? and yeah I adapted all patches from Nexus 5 but still can't get it building ._. | 20:38 |
| tortoisedoc | personally I loved the way the n9 allowed for that | 20:38 |
| Yaniel | sure | 20:39 |
| tortoisedoc | do you jolla guys think it would be ok to make a post on tjc about quickbar? | 20:39 |
| jake9xx | tortoisedoc: why do you even ask? | 20:39 |
| jake9xx | go for it | 20:39 |
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| tbr | arnav-g: hardware adaptation kit | 20:40 |
| tortoisedoc | heh | 20:40 |
| arnav-g | oh | 20:40 |
| Yaniel | it's on open-"install at your own risk"-repos | 20:40 |
| arnav-g | I got all needed kernel patches hybris-boot repo patches and rpm patches from siteshwar's git but I don't see any manifest for hybris-11.0 so I just edited the manifest myself ._. | 20:41 |
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| kimmoli | tortoisedoc: it is better to also give uninstall instructions, and if you need something special tweaks to fix anything broken... there was some issues with locusf glacier iirc (?) | 20:44 |
| arnav-g | tbr/sledges: what is the use of this? https://github.com/siteshwar/sailfishos_hammerhead_ks | 20:44 |
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| sledges | arnav-g: final image building | 20:45 |
| arnav-g | didn't get ya (sorry, me noob :3) | 20:46 |
| arnav-g | in short what I am trying to ask is where will you place that file? | 20:46 |
| tbr | arnav-g: it's a "recipe" file. it is used by mic to build the image/filesystem | 20:46 |
| arnav-g | tbr: gotcha | 20:47 |
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| jake9xx | arnav-g: at least some time ago there were some mic execution examples in merproject.org | 20:48 |
| tortoisedoc | kimmoli : good point | 20:48 |
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| tortoisedoc | kimmoli : you uninstallng it already? :P | 20:50 |
| tortoisedoc | kimmoli : locusf glacier issues I am not aware of | 20:50 |
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| kimmoli | tortoisedoc: not yet installed... busy coding | 20:52 |
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| locusf | tortoisedoc: yeah there were some issues on a lot of things with glacier homescreem | 20:56 |
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| tortoisedoc | locusf : in what is glacier different from nemo? | 20:58 |
| tortoisedoc | *lipstick | 20:58 |
| locusf | tortoisedoc: in no way it is different | 20:58 |
| tortoisedoc | locusf : I mean technically | 20:59 |
| locusf | I probably misunderstood your question :p | 20:59 |
| tortoisedoc | :P | 20:59 |
| locusf | nemo uses glacier homescreen but it can be used on Jolla as well | 21:00 |
| tortoisedoc | locusf : ok, I must admit I have not looked into it | 21:00 |
| tortoisedoc | I assume it is still wayland-based? | 21:00 |
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| locusf | sure | 21:00 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmm | 21:01 |
| tortoisedoc | ill have to find a way to get it on my jolla :P | 21:01 |
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| locusf | http://locusf.blogspot.fi/2014/03/glacier-ui-homescreen-on-jolla.html | 21:02 |
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| locusf | I don't recommend warehouse | 21:02 |
| tortoisedoc | oooh! | 21:03 |
| tortoisedoc | it will have a status bar ^^ | 21:03 |
| locusf | yes :) | 21:03 |
| tortoisedoc | cool, then it's like a perfect fit | 21:03 |
| locusf | its all FOSS too so everyone is welcome to contribute as well :) | 21:04 |
| locusf | https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/glacier-home | 21:04 |
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| MoritzJT | you don't recommend Warehouse at all or am I taking this out of context? | 21:05 |
| tortoisedoc | locusf : are there plans by jolla to adopt it? | 21:05 |
| locusf | just for this app :) | 21:05 |
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| locusf | tortoisedoc: no plans that I'm aware of | 21:06 |
| tortoisedoc | locusf: thanks | 21:06 |
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| tortoisedoc | k | 21:09 |
| tortoisedoc | made an entry on tjc | 21:09 |
| tortoisedoc | https://together.jolla.com/question/47944/quickbar-discussion-support-thread/ | 21:09 |
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| tortoisedoc | lets see how it goes :P | 21:09 |
| tortoisedoc | now need to push this to harbour :P | 21:09 |
| MoritzJT | I heard Jolla is about to change the UX next year quite substantially | 21:09 |
| MoritzJT | Sideswipes for switching maybe? | 21:09 |
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| * MSameer does not like ads | 21:10 | |
| tortoisedoc | MSameer : me neither, but support has to come from somewhere :/ | 21:11 |
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| tortoisedoc | ive tried to keep it to a minimum tho | 21:11 |
| MSameer | tortoisedoc: that's up to you since you did the code ;) | 21:11 |
| tortoisedoc | :) | 21:11 |
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| MSameer | and since harbour does not support payments then I can't blame you much | 21:12 |
| tortoisedoc | yeh, but soon it will :) | 21:12 |
| tortoisedoc | (at least afaik) | 21:12 |
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| arnav-g | sledges: there? | 21:12 |
| MSameer | tortoisedoc: I hope you consider a release without ads which can be purchased | 21:12 |
| MSameer | when harbour allows of course | 21:13 |
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| tortoisedoc | MSameer that would be the plan yes | 21:13 |
| tortoisedoc | bl | 21:13 |
| MSameer | given a free app with ads and a non-free app without ads | 21:14 |
| MSameer | I'd not use both :P | 21:14 |
| MSameer | (joking) | 21:14 |
| MSameer | I'd prefer the non-ads one | 21:14 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 21:14 |
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| tortoisedoc | well, personally I almost vote for free with non-invasive, non-blocking ads | 21:14 |
| tortoisedoc | but that's only one opinoin | 21:15 |
| tortoisedoc | *opinion | 21:15 |
| tortoisedoc | damn too much beer :P | 21:15 |
| MSameer | I am concerned about my privacy which ads might exploit | 21:15 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm good point | 21:15 |
| tortoisedoc | Quickbar is not exploiting anything | 21:15 |
| MSameer | maybe ads and in app-payment to get rid of ads | 21:15 |
| MSameer | it's the ads not the app | 21:16 |
| tortoisedoc | but since this is my first app with ads, i will investigate to make sure :P | 21:16 |
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| MSameer | maybe I should have ads showing on top of my camera app viewfinder :D | 21:17 |
| CvP_ | coderus: do you need some help about logos? | 21:17 |
| arnav-g | http://pastebin.com/FF2mXGpZ | 21:17 |
| * MSameer is tired after fighting with sailfish for a while :/ | 21:18 | |
| * arnav-g asks people to look into the error | 21:18 | |
| MSameer | arnav-g: what's that? | 21:19 |
| tortoisedoc | MSameer : indeed Sailfish gives one a good fight | 21:20 |
| tortoisedoc | it's very good, but very edgy still | 21:20 |
| coderus | CvP_: logos? | 21:20 |
| tortoisedoc | (in my opinion) | 21:20 |
| MSameer | arnav-g: OK I know you are building android and probably you are trying to build android adaptation for a certain device but more details are needed | 21:21 |
| CvP_ | coderus: icons (icq, yahoo.....) | 21:21 |
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| MSameer | tortoisedoc: I agree. It's still young | 21:21 |
| tortoisedoc | its a pity openrepos does not give download stats :/ | 21:23 |
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| tortoisedoc | ah just noticed the stats panel now :P | 21:25 |
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| jake9xx | MSameer: hey :) | 21:27 |
| MSameer | jake9xx: HEY :) | 21:27 |
| MSameer | jake9xx: it's juhannus!. what are you doing here | 21:28 |
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| jake9xx | MSameer: the bigger question is what are YOU doing here :) I'm having a sober juhannus (was a bit too wasted in CPH last week) | 21:29 |
| jake9xx | and hacking on my pet/own company projects actually now | 21:30 |
| arnav-g | What command to build just hybris and not the full android build? MSameer jake9xx? | 21:30 |
| MSameer | jake9xx: you have your own company? | 21:30 |
| MSameer | jake9xx: what else should I do if I am not here :/ | 21:31 |
| MSameer | arnav-g: make hybris-hal | 21:31 |
| MSameer | arnav-g: but you need to build in a 64bit distro (preferably ubuntu) | 21:31 |
| arnav-g | Thats understood lol I maintain my android rom so that is what I do the whole day just new to sailfish | 21:32 |
| jake9xx | MSameer: yeah, have had it for some 3-4 years already. convient way to burn yourself out among other features | 21:32 |
| MSameer | arnav-g: I didn't know | 21:32 |
| arnav-g | MSameer: https://github.com/nolinuxnoparty :) | 21:32 |
| MSameer | jake9xx: and how can you have it yet work for other companies? | 21:32 |
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| MSameer | arnav-g: I never used an android device so it's impossible for me to know :) | 21:33 |
| jake9xx | MSameer: normal. agree that when you sign up | 21:33 |
| arnav-g | MSameer: What device? | 21:33 |
| MSameer | jake9xx: so you need to resign, start a company and then rejoin after the agreement :D | 21:34 |
| tortoisedoc | jake9xx didnt you stop working @jolla? | 21:34 |
| jake9xx | MSameer: if company you're going to work declines on that, then it was the wrong company after all. thing is that you don't do competetive stuff or use proprietary stuff w/o license | 21:34 |
| MSameer | arnav-g: I meant to say that I never used an android device so I don't know the people maintaining ROMs and stuff | 21:34 |
| MSameer | jake9xx: true | 21:34 |
| arnav-g | MSameer: and I asked you what device did you use? :) | 21:34 |
| jake9xx | tortoisedoc: yup, I took up a challenge at a compnay called Applifier | 21:34 |
| MSameer | arnav-g: aha sorry. misunderstood. | 21:35 |
| tortoisedoc | jake9xx : applifier - sounds familiar... | 21:35 |
| jake9xx | tortoisedoc: we do everyplay among other stuff | 21:35 |
| MSameer | arnav-g: old nokia then symbian crap then N900 then N9 | 21:35 |
| tortoisedoc | http://www.applifier.com/ | 21:35 |
| tortoisedoc | ? | 21:35 |
| jake9xx | yup | 21:35 |
| tortoisedoc | kewl | 21:35 |
| tortoisedoc | do you offer qt sdk? :OP | 21:36 |
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| MSameer | jake9xx: but I also heard that if you have a company then you get no benefits and it takes a few years to terminate your company | 21:36 |
| MSameer | tortoisedoc: it's javascript which you can most likely integrate with QML | 21:36 |
| MSameer | jake9xx: anyway good luck :) | 21:37 |
| * MSameer is the only one apparently who has no personal business | 21:37 | |
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| tortoisedoc | MSameer : me neither | 21:38 |
| tortoisedoc | just hobbie projects :P | 21:38 |
| tortoisedoc | (and main work) | 21:38 |
| MSameer | same here | 21:38 |
| tortoisedoc | but anyway too much to burn out already haha | 21:38 |
| MSameer | no wonder none of my hobby projects could be considered successful :p | 21:39 |
| tortoisedoc | MSameer : how so? | 21:39 |
| MSameer | no idea :) | 21:39 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 21:39 |
| tortoisedoc | time to go to sleep for me | 21:39 |
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| MSameer | cause I develop for linux (n9 and jolla) and they have a small market share | 21:40 |
| jake9xx | MSameer: what? benefits umm.. no, you can be a shareowner in a company w/o having a work relation on it (i.e. get paid) | 21:42 |
| MSameer | jake9xx: kela/unemployment benefits | 21:42 |
| jake9xx | MSameer: well, no, you can own a company and still get those benefits | 21:46 |
| jake9xx | if you EARN money from that company then it's different | 21:46 |
| MSameer | you mean a company that gives zero income? | 21:46 |
| MSameer | good to hear | 21:46 |
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| jake9xx | yeah, it sounds a bit weird but it's not the whole story... | 21:57 |
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| arnav-g | How to run image creation? :) | 21:57 |
| jake9xx | arnav-g: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Image_Creation_For_Beginners | 21:58 |
| arnav-g | thanks | 21:58 |
| jake9xx | ok, but managed to get adb bridge working almost fully in jolla - off to bed | 21:58 |
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| peppelakappa | are there plans for a multiple volume slider? like android does for multimedia/phone/alarm | 23:11 |
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| sledges | peppelakappa: try searching/asking on together.jolla.com | 23:20 |
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| peppelakappa | good, this is a common request! hoping to see it implemented soon | 23:23 |
| sledges | more votes - more soon(TM) :D | 23:24 |
| sledges | and we kept promise quite well i'd say :) | 23:24 |
| peppelakappa | absolutely, I love the way Jolla handles all the requests made on together | 23:25 |
| sledges | though sometimes geeks outvote mere users ;) | 23:26 |
| peppelakappa | sometimes more geeks means more UI/UX polish | 23:28 |
| sledges | how about intuitiveness? | 23:29 |
| peppelakappa | that should be included into the UX section i think | 23:29 |
| sledges | this could be a good independent review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48EyCpUbCbg | 23:30 |
| sledges | there's no end for perfection, but we'll achieve excellence :) | 23:30 |
| peppelakappa | yeah, I hope so | 23:31 |
| sledges | good night for real now :) | 23:31 |
| peppelakappa | good night sledges ;) | 23:31 |
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