Monday, 2014-06-09

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ppsome good ideas here (despite being apple) http://devstreaming.apple.com/videos/wwdc/2014/715xx4loqo5can9/715/715_user_privacy_in_ios_and_os_x.pdf08:02
pp"iOS 8 randomises the MAC address while scanning for WiFi networks. Hoping that this becomes an industry standard."08:03
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SK_workpp: +108:05
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SK_workApple have some nice ideas sometimes :)08:05
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jake9xxany bets they use some other identification on top of normal MAC so that apple infra works better with apple products?08:06
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SK_workjake9xx: :D08:07
SK_workjake9xx: is this trolling ?08:07
fluxof course they do, but it doesn't leak the identity to other parties08:07
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flux(I mean they have an apple user id in the device that connects to apple services etc)08:08
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jake9xxSK_work: of course it is :) but just looking at what they did with OpenGL I would not be supprised08:08
kimmoliand from what MAC space they will take those random MAC's ?08:09
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fluxwell, why not use their own?08:09
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SK_workjake9xx: MS did DirectX, and nobody is shocked08:09
kimmolido they guarantee that the MAC used is unique?08:09
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SK_workat some point there will be Angle for "Metal" too08:09
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fluxprobably not, unless they have some quite sophisticated time-based encryption system08:09
fluxbut, if it's only during scanning, it probably doesn't hurt..08:10
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kimmolimaybe not... seen products with mac 12:34:56:78:9A:BF08:11
kimmoli(on all the products of batch)08:11
kimmolinicely sets the multicast bit always08:12
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fluxI once was feeling a bit lazy for generating a mac address for some, I don't remember which, purpose. of course the first generator I picked off the web gave out addresses with the bit set. annoying ;)08:13
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pprandom with "locally administered" / unicast should be ok I suppose08:18
pponce it's on a network which gets administered by someone, it'll already be using a globally unique one08:19
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nazaninwho is the developer of TurboRead?08:29
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dr_gogeta86g'day peeps08:50
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tbrlpotter: one item for the wish-list: DHCPv6 and ra-extension for nameserver distribution.09:41
tbrthat was the only thing that failed on this ipv6-only network09:41
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tbrI suspect a newer connman might do that in combination with some tools. Yes, I can imagine upgrading connman will be "fun"09:42
lpotterheh. yes. it has been "fun"09:43
Stskeepsabout as much fun as beating yourself with a sailfish09:43
Stskeepswith the sharp end09:43
lpotterwhile it's still alive09:43
stephgand you'd previously insulted its' mother09:44
tbr*nod* no surprises09:45
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Nightmare__sooner or later you'll have to upgrade it ;)09:49
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fluxbetter later than sooner, perhaps need somehow disappears!10:09
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AcceNow I understand where OS name comes from10:10
ppIPv6 is launching in .fi 9.6.2015!10:11
ppGet ready :P10:11
Accenext summer?? so soon!10:11
ppyep, http://www.trex.fi/2014/national-IPv6-launch.pdf10:11
Accewell, I suppose my router supports ipv6.. better check it though10:12
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dr_gogeta86anyone here used googleauth10:53
dr_gogeta86?10:54
joonahoiyeah11:02
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northStskeeps: Is ofono-rilmodem part of Mer ?11:02
Stskeepsnot atm11:02
Stskeepsmaybe later11:03
northYou mean "ping me later ?"11:05
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tbrnorth: I think it's mostly open source though.11:30
dr_gogeta86anyone know how to setup proxy in sailfish vm ?11:30
dr_gogeta86command line utils use it11:30
dr_gogeta86but not sailfish application11:31
northIt is open source - Yes. I was having a look at the nice_view of the mer sailfish OS, which Stskeeps presented at FOSDEM.11:31
northit doesn't list ofono under the mer umbrella, where as Connman is :)11:31
northInfact its completely opensource :)11:31
tbrand the answer to that was apparently that it's not now but will be later11:32
Stskeepsnorth: the view represents link-time requirements11:32
Stskeepsthe ofono rilmodem is at github.com/nemomobile-packages/ofono11:32
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northSo Sailfish OS depends on few packages from Nemo Mobile too, right ?11:45
SK_worknorth: not a few11:46
SK_worka lot of them11:46
SK_work(basically, everything except nemo ux)11:46
northActually a clear distinction on which package comes from Mer and Nemo mobile would be cool.11:46
northLike a wiki page dedicated to the package sources11:46
northit would be cool for contributors as well as people who want to adopt the OS for new devices11:47
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stephgnorth: nemomobile and mer slowly are merging fwiw11:51
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tbrnemomobile _middleware_11:53
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stephgcorrected11:54
dr_gogeta86SK_work, but silica webview11:54
dr_gogeta86works on emulator ?11:54
SK_workdr_gogeta86: ???11:55
dr_gogeta86I've used this example11:55
dr_gogeta86https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-silicawebview.html#details11:55
dr_gogeta86white page11:55
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SK_workdr_gogeta86: are you connected to internet ? (simple and stupid question :))11:59
dr_gogeta86yep11:59
SK_workhum11:59
SK_workdr_gogeta86: show me the code11:59
dr_gogeta86the example above12:00
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SK_workdr_gogeta86: your full sources12:01
SK_workone sec12:01
SK_workI think I know12:01
SK_workinstalled the webkit dependency ?12:01
dr_gogeta86into emulator ?12:02
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SK_workdr_gogeta86: yep12:08
dr_gogeta86how to?12:08
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SK_workfirst, if you run the code from creator, what happens in the console ?12:08
SK_workany errors ?12:08
dr_gogeta86no12:08
dr_gogeta86This project is using the experimental QML API extensions for QtWebKit and is therefore tied to a specific QtWebKit release.12:09
dr_gogeta86WARNING: The experimental API will change from version to version, or even be removed. You have been warned!12:09
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SK_workhum12:09
SK_workright, webkit is installed then12:09
SK_workdr_gogeta86: can you ssh into the emulator and try to ping something ?12:09
SK_workmaybe network problem with emulator12:09
dr_gogeta86works also curl12:10
dr_gogeta86[root@SailfishEmul ~]# hostname12:10
dr_gogeta86SailfishEmul12:10
dr_gogeta86[root@SailfishEmul ~]# ping google.it12:10
dr_gogeta86PING google.it (64.15.126.45) 56(84) bytes of data.12:10
dr_gogeta8664 bytes from 64.15.126.45: icmp_req=1 ttl=56 time=18.7 ms12:10
dr_gogeta8664 bytes from 64.15.126.45: icmp_req=2 ttl=56 time=7.49 ms12:10
dr_gogeta86^C12:10
dr_gogeta86--- google.it ping statistics ---12:10
dr_gogeta862 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1003ms12:10
dr_gogeta86rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 7.493/13.129/18.765/5.636 ms12:10
dr_gogeta86[root@SailfishEmul ~]#12:10
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SK_workdr_gogeta86: don't spam, use pastebins :)12:12
SK_work(like paste.kde.org)12:12
SK_workor you might be kicked12:12
SK_workhum ...12:12
Nicd-gist.github.org ftw12:12
SK_workreally strange12:12
SK_workNicd-: /me likes paste.kde.org. Clean and efficient*12:13
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SK_workwhat I wonder is why is it not working12:13
SK_workdr_gogeta86: add inside your SilicaWebView this:12:13
SK_workonLoadingChanged: console.debug(loading)12:13
SK_workand onLoadProgressChanged: console.debug(loadProgress)12:14
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dr_gogeta86D] onLoadProgressChanged:46 - 012:24
dr_gogeta86[D] onLoadingChanged:45 - true12:24
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SK_workdr_gogeta86: check WebView documentation: you can get loading errors iirc12:26
SK_workhttp://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qml-qtwebkit-webview.html#ErrorDomain-prop12:27
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tortoisedocupdate update update?12:35
Sceltbadgerbadgerbadger12:35
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tortoisedocmushroommushroom12:44
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pp4g 4g 4g12:45
tortoisedocsnaaaake12:45
tortoisedocsnaaaake12:45
tortoisedoc4g will be nice12:45
tortoisedochopefully it works where I am now too :P12:45
Nightmare__i'm more happy about those new BT profiles12:46
* Plnt is looking forward for the caldav sync :)12:48
Sail0r:)12:48
Stskeepsit's a real monday today12:48
Stskeepsmy desktop machine refuses to start up..12:48
Stskeepscan't start d-bus system daemon12:48
Stskeeps:P12:48
Sail0rlol12:48
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walokrathe computer is trying to suggest that it's nice weather outside :)13:11
tortoisedochmmm13:13
tortoisedocspecial:pin13:13
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saber_Hello13:13
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specialtortoisedoc: ?13:13
saber_I have a question about the sqlite database13:13
tortoisedocspecial: about the window categories13:14
tortoisedocI made a quick test app13:14
tortoisedocit seems even setting the category right after creation of view does not hide the switcher item13:14
tortoisedoconly when app is started from fingerterm13:14
tortoisedoc(uploading to github one sec913:14
tortoisedoc(uploading to github one sec)13:14
saber_I changed the "PRAGMA synchronous = OFF"13:15
specialtortoisedoc: a wide variety of windows in sailfish are using those categories and don't appear in switcher13:15
saber_but when I closed the database and open it again, it back to the origin and " synchronous " is still "NORMAL (ON)"13:16
specialsaber_: synchronous is a setting for the database connection, not the database. You have to set it every time you open the db.13:16
saber_Oh13:17
saber_Thz so much @special13:17
northHow do I get access to the Mer project hosted at Gitlab ?13:17
saber_but can I use this command in qml qtquick localstorage 2.0 ?13:17
specialnorth: might be easier to ask in #mer13:18
specialsaber_: I don't know; it's just a query, at least.13:18
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tortoisedocspecial : for me, this setup does not get the achieved results13:22
tortoisedochttps://github.com/tortoisedoc/testdialogapp13:22
tortoisedoc*the INTENDED results that is13:22
tortoisedocI tested this on device13:23
tortoisedocif you launch it from app list13:23
tortoisedocand minimize it quickly13:23
tortoisedocyou will see the cover in the task switcher13:23
tortoisedocif you start it from command line13:23
specialdoes it disappear after a few secnds?13:23
specialseconds*13:23
tortoisedocand minimize it then (via the buttonI13:23
tortoisedoc)13:23
tortoisedocthere will be no cover item13:23
tortoisedoc:|13:24
tortoisedocyea13:24
specialthat makes more sense13:24
tortoisedocit disappears after a few secs (the cover item in the switcher)13:24
specialit's not a real cover - you're looking at the launching placeholder13:24
tortoisedocaaah13:24
tortoisedocso it's now a cover per-se :P13:24
specialnormally it gets replaced by a real cover once the application launches, but in your case there isn't one so it eventually times out and goes away13:25
tortoisedocok i see13:25
tortoisedocthis makes sense13:25
tortoisedochmm13:25
specialyou can't disable that, but it only applies to launching from the launcher13:25
tortoisedocok13:25
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tortoisedocthanks for the clarification :)13:26
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dr_gogeta86http://maniacdev.com/2014/06/open-source-ios-component-combining-a-highy-customizable-pull-to-refresh-control-and-gesture-based-selection13:29
dr_gogeta86terrific13:30
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tortoisedocdo I smell copy ? booo :P13:30
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dr_gogeta86copy or not13:31
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dr_gogeta86that site is a good idea13:31
SK_workI like the icons thing13:32
SK_workmuch easier to use than pulley13:32
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tortoisedocSK_work -> definitely less pulling13:33
SK_workindeed13:33
dr_gogeta86http://maniacdev.com/2014/05/open-source-component-for-easily-creating-side-scrolling-table-view-cells-with-multimedia-support13:33
SK_workbut if you pull from the middle of screen, you cannot slide easily either13:34
SK_workdr_gogeta86: this one is about 10 lines of QML13:34
SK_workpretty easy13:34
dr_gogeta86http://sailfishdev.tumblr.com/13:34
dr_gogeta86put here13:34
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dr_gogeta86I'm a sucker13:35
SK_workdr_gogeta86: it's for specific needs I guess13:35
dr_gogeta86SK_work, sailfish lack in UX13:35
SK_workat least I thought that sailfishdev was for code that are not that easy to use13:35
SK_workdr_gogeta86: it's pretty consistant13:35
SK_workbut I have open questions about how to achieve some stuff13:35
dr_gogeta86wanna have laugh13:36
dr_gogeta86https://github.com/UrbanApps/UAProgressView13:36
dr_gogeta86somethin already seen ;-)13:36
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tortoisedocgrrr13:37
dr_gogeta86better on sailfish13:37
tortoisedocwhy does my toh disconnect my ssh's on battery low warnings?13:37
SK_workthis guy is trying to make different stuff for his beloved iOS device13:37
SK_workthat's not bad13:37
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dr_gogeta86SK_work, slightly better14:07
dr_gogeta86http://maniacdev.com/2014/04/example-source-code-a-slimy-stretching-transition-effect14:07
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DrIDKhello, how to add the accept button on top right ? In Dialog ?16:16
specialDrIDK: https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-dialogheader.html16:16
DrIDKHahh!!!! special thx!!!16:17
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DrIDKwhat the shortest way to save data text ? Qsettings ? Qt.dbsqlite .. ? Is there new way to do that  ?16:23
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Nightmare__QSettings is quite easy to use, a few init commands, 1 to write, 1 to read16:29
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DrIDKI used dialog.open(true,true).... Now I cannot close my dialog.  onAccepted : dialog.close(), doesn't work. Any idea ,16:59
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specialDrIDK: you're replacing the current page on the stack with the dialog. Do you actually want to do that?17:00
DrIDKspecial: no.. I only want to show a dialog on the top17:01
special"replace" means the current page gets removed and replaced with the dialog, so you can't go back to it. "immediate" means no animation17:01
specialyou probably just want to call open(), not with the parameters17:01
specialyou can treat a dialog like a normal Page too - using pageStack.push() on it17:02
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DrIDKspecial: ok works! I didn't know arguments of open() was not necessary17:03
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DrIDKdocumentation doesn't says about default values17:03
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tigelihttps://together.jolla.com/question/45064/release-notes-software-version-10716-saapunki/17:17
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pp:P17:33
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Stskeepshttps://together.jolla.com/question/45064/release-notes-software-version-10716-saapunki/ in case anybody missed..17:34
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crevetorHi guys, I've updated my Jolla, how can I check that the broadband was updated ? Also is there an exact list of what 4G frequencies are supported ?17:47
manqeloq1eyey! where's the system-wide copy paste?17:49
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SK_workmanqeloq1e: select some text17:49
SK_workand it will appear on the keyboard17:49
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ppsoon speedtest time!17:49
manqeloq1efrom sms messages? from the web browser? can you already paste from facebook chats to terminal and vice-versa?17:50
Wntmanqeloq1e: at lest there is a unofficial version of the terminal that has copy-paste support that works with other applications too17:51
SK_work:)17:51
SK_workin fingerterm, tap menu -> apste17:51
SK_workfor web browser, no17:51
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SK_workthere is no support17:51
SK_workbut for chats, you can copy message17:51
kimmoliSK_work: the fingerterm paste works now17:52
SK_workkimmoli: I know :)17:52
kimmoliy17:52
manqeloq1eWnt, i googled and found something like that but didn't have time to search for packages yet17:52
manqeloq1ekimmoli, cool17:53
kimmoliah time to fix my paint 0.3, got rejexted in QA17:54
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manqeloq1eis the clipboard even system-wide on jolla?17:55
SK_workmanqeloq1e: it is17:55
SK_workit's a "wayland systemwide clipboard"17:55
manqeloq1eokay17:56
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manqeloq1ejust start to wonder that since pasting in ft failed to work :)17:56
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tortoisedocJeeeupdareupdate ^^18:25
tortoisedocAwesome18:26
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matrixxI have a slight problem with PinchArea + MouseArea on same item18:42
matrixxI can't get them adjusted so that both will work (PA for pinching, MA for doubleclick)18:42
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matrixxhowever I place them seems that only one of them will receive any mouse events18:42
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coderusmatrixx: try preventStealing: true18:46
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coderusand there is also some function to sending events to lower items18:46
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matrixxcoderus: thanks, let's see18:47
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matrixxat least preventStealing works somehow illogical, prevents some but not all18:50
kimmolii got pincharea and mousearea work together just fine, doubleclick works too18:50
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kimmolihad to make mousearea child of pincharea18:51
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matrixxkimmoli: I think I tried all parent-child-sibling combinations already, but let's try that one again18:53
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matrixxkimmoli: still can't get onDoubleClicked :(18:54
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matrixxhaha, put preventStealing inside MA and pulley menu stopped working :D18:57
kimmoliheh18:58
kimmolimatrixx: this is how i use it https://github.com/kimmoli/valuelogger/blob/master/qml/components/LinePlot.qml#L38118:58
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matrixxhmmph, can't see anything special19:00
matrixxI wonder does it matter that my areas are inside SilicaFlickable19:00
kimmolithat is atleast one difference19:00
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matrixxwhich explains why pulley menu breaks if preventStealing is on19:01
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matrixxI could try just put my header inside the flickable, and rest of the stuff outside19:01
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kimmolii'm on a subpage, and dont have pullmenus there. also i will prevent backnavigation when mouse pressed , noticed altough that sometimes it fails to release it correctly19:03
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kimmolimousearea gets onPressed, but if pinch starts, i think onReleased will never be signalled19:04
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matrixxok, this just broke more stuff, I guess the whole page needs to be inside that flickable if pulley is in use19:10
matrixxthough I still have one idea to try19:10
matrixxluckily I'm prepared to live without the doubleclick, would have been just for convenience19:13
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raa70y u no progressbar while downloading?20:09
Stskeepsthere's a progressbar20:10
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raa70oh well, downloaded already... but I didn't see progressbar20:12
kenguthere is progressbar while downloading20:12
kenguon top of the screen I'd say20:12
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zliosup #sailfishos20:24
zliocan I run this baby on my s3 yet?20:24
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MSameerraa70: the image at the top is the progress bar21:17
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kimmolistephg: ping. got an idea for ambience... make a script (or something) on phone to collect curret files; wallpaper and selected soundfiles, copy them to one location for easy pickup for creating new ambience - craft ambience in phone21:28
stephgooh21:29
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stephgdo-it-yourself ambience on device is nice21:29
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stephgkimmoli: the biggest problem I had with the making the custom ones in the end was matching the primary highlight colours21:41
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