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| merlin1991 | tbr if you feel like sharing the dvd images and are in need of space, I've got some 200G free space on my server, the sailfish images would have it quite cozy next to harmattan pr 1.1 through 1.3 and various maemo stuff :) | 00:05 |
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| merlin1991 | hm come to think of it, I never got my hands on the maemo images, anyone got a link to share? | 00:06 |
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| tbr | merlin1991: I believe they are quite well placed on http://images.formeego.org/jolla | 05:31 |
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| coderus | Where is connection static settings?.. | 07:38 |
| stephg | coderus: in the UI? or ? | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | tap-and-hold? | 07:42 |
| coderus | tap and hold i see only Remove connection | 07:43 |
| coderus | hm | 07:43 |
| coderus | this option visible only for connected network | 07:43 |
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| coderus | bad behaviour | 07:43 |
| coderus | it should be visible for all connections | 07:43 |
| * coderus goig to patch this... | 07:44 | |
| coderus | *going | 07:44 |
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| coderus | visible: modelData.strength > 0 | 07:46 |
| coderus | what a shame... | 07:46 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | morning peeps | 07:57 |
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| artemma | Does anybody know twitter nick of karip (as in https://github.com/karip/harbour-file-browser ). I'd like to tweet about his awesome file browser, it's nice to give credit then | 09:16 |
| artemma | https://twitter.com/karip is likely to be a quite different person :) | 09:17 |
| Loris_ | Oh i've just seen there's a progress in nexus4 camera! Awesome | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | news travel fast | 09:21 |
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| Loris_ | Since I want do start developing sailfish apps, I'm starting learning QT and QML...But there is one thing I don't understand, since there is not komplex example app.. | 09:31 |
| Loris_ | will I need c++ files or can everything be done simply in QML? | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | usually you have a very tiny c++ entry point that really doesn't need modification | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | the SDK should help with this | 09:32 |
| tbr | yeah, you just tell it you want a QML app and it will generate all the fluff around it | 09:33 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, meeting starting in half an hour, right? | 09:35 |
| Loris_ | Okay, then it seems like i need to get more into QML, since I dont understand how to create something like functions or pass variables | 09:35 |
| Nicd- | Loris_: in QML you use Javascript to create dynamic stuff | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | Loris_: in practice: you declare UI with QML -- and then you add behaviour to it with javascript | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | like what happens when you press this element | 09:35 |
| Loris_ | Ah okay..Now there is some light in the dark :) thank you | 09:36 |
| Nicd- | Loris_: you can take a look at https://bitbucket.org/Nicd/sailtime/src if it helps, it has both QML+JS and C++ | 09:36 |
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| Nicd- | it's the SailTime app which you can also find in the Jolla Store | 09:36 |
| Loris_ | Thank you, I'll have a look at it | 09:36 |
| artemma | Some people say https://github.com/amarchen/helloworld-pro-sailfish is documented quite okay ;) | 09:37 |
| Nicd- | ^ that too | 09:37 |
| artemma | and if you are looking for a complex example with c++ indeed there is quite extensively documented https://github.com/amarchen/log4qt-demo-sailfish | 09:38 |
| artemma | the point there is to demonstrate the logging framework use, but demo naturally includes a couple of sample c++ classes and qml files and cpp tests and qml tests | 09:39 |
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| tachikoma | hrm, it always worked and today i get "connection problem" when trying to cconnect to wlan secured with business wpa ... | 09:43 |
| tachikoma | and even a reboot does not help :( | 09:44 |
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| tachikoma | journalctl shows quite some messages about "lipstick ---- errorReported: connect-failed" | 09:47 |
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| netzvieh | Sailfish Community Meeting starts in 10 minutes in #mer-meeting, for Agenda see https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-June/004454.html | 09:50 |
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| lainwir3d | hi | 09:56 |
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| sledges | PSA: community meeting at #mer-meeting now :) | 10:00 |
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| netzvieh | Aard: *ping* | 10:25 |
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| Aard | ? | 10:25 |
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| netzvieh | Aard: any update on (auto)docs + Silica docs? (asking here since you are silent in meeting ;) if you are there, you can answer it there in a bit ^^) | 10:36 |
| Aard | didn't notice there's meeting now | 10:37 |
| Aard | check with lbt about the infrastructure status | 10:37 |
| netzvieh | okay | 10:37 |
| stephg | kimmoli once mine is fully in shape will share it so you can build your own | 10:38 |
| kimmoli | stephg: thanks | 10:38 |
| lbt | +1 | 10:40 |
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| kimmoli | using .spec only sdk wizards on windows requires dos2unix trick now (i did toss yaml our from my own wizard already) | 10:44 |
| stephg | kimmoli: that seems to be a general sdk thing? | 10:45 |
| kimmoli | yes | 10:45 |
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| kimmoli | but it should be "fixed" in next sdk update, so that the rpmbuild does dos2unix before parsing spec (or something) | 10:46 |
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| stephg | MSameer: heh :) | 11:14 |
| MSameer | stephg: :) | 11:15 |
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| coderus | please check http://piratepad.net/SailfishOSSMeetings is there something i need to remove from topic, or someone disagree? | 11:26 |
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| MSameer | iekku: coderus is having issues with camera API. he emailed the jolla mm maintainer who did not reply so I was suggesting emailing developer-care | 11:30 |
| MSameer | iekku: that's it. no more and no less | 11:30 |
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| iekku | MSameer, it's a good idea. i try to follow ml too and kick sailors if there's no reply, but i have really limited time to do so | 11:31 |
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| iekku | developer-care is better | 11:31 |
| MSameer | coderus: ^^^ | 11:31 |
| netzvieh | community meeting is over, Minutes: http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-06-03-10.00.html | 11:32 |
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| coderus | iekku: just sent email to developer-care, please check if content is acceptable | 11:35 |
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| iekku | coderus, i will, thaks | 11:38 |
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| iekku | coderus, seems ok, forwarded it and will keep on kicking till you get answer | 11:41 |
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| coderus | iekku: it can be probably discussed on next meeting as part of documentation discussing | 11:49 |
| iekku | :nod: | 11:50 |
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| netzvieh | coderus: I think SK_work intended to discuss Jollas communication in general, but it's his topic, I just added it again since I cleared the pad ;) | 12:06 |
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| coderus | netzvieh: i just want to tell if it about development questions while discussing Jollas it can be combined with (1) | 12:06 |
| netzvieh | mhh, dunno. maybe speak to SK_work ;) I probably won't have time next meetings anyway :/ | 12:07 |
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| coderus | sure, it wasnt personal :) | 12:09 |
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| SK_work | netzvieh, coderus yeah, it's a training day for me | 12:36 |
| SK_work | no time for meeting :( | 12:36 |
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| merlin1991 | tbr: are the others coming there anytime soon ? :D | 12:49 |
| tbr | merlin1991: "there"? | 12:50 |
| merlin1991 | http://images.formeego.org/jolla | 12:51 |
| coderus | 1.0.7.12 | 12:53 |
| coderus | ? | 12:53 |
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| north | Hello "Sail"ors | 12:54 |
| north | :p | 12:54 |
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| Stskeeps | hello hello | 12:55 |
| pJok | Stskeeps \o | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | Jok! | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | how are things? | 12:57 |
| pJok | good good :) | 12:57 |
| pJok | you? | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | i'm good, thanks - well, living in poland these days, got a small kid and so on | 12:57 |
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| netzvieh | Stskeeps: can you fix the topic in #mer-meeting? :D forgot a t | 13:00 |
| netzvieh | \o/ :) | 13:00 |
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| coderus | Today, or not today: that is the question. | 14:05 |
| SK_work | coderus: not today | 14:05 |
| SK_work | (if speaking about up) | 14:05 |
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| coderus | SK_work: yeah... | 14:06 |
| coderus | Mitakuuluu update ready to release. Please update your translation in next 3 hours to be included in next update. | 14:06 |
| SK_work | coderus: ah, mitaluulu update :) | 14:06 |
| coderus | SK_work: many updates coming :) | 14:06 |
| SK_work | :):) | 14:07 |
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| kimmoli_sailing_ | coderus: pling, your imagepicker in mitäkuuluu ... seems that it is not harbour acceptable, or is it? | 14:11 |
| coderus | kimmoli_sailing_: i'm using own filemodel plugin, its bundled, acceptable | 14:12 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | ah ok.. | 14:12 |
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| kimmoli_sailing_ | have to take a closer look then | 14:12 |
| coderus | kimmoli_sailing_: imagepicker in avatar selection is not acceptable, using system private components :) | 14:13 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | ah, maybe i was looking that | 14:13 |
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| scharel | coderus: do you plan to ever put mitäkuuluu too harbour? or is it too restrictive? | 14:17 |
| Yaniel | scharel: it won't get through QA for now | 14:18 |
| scharel | ok, I'm fine withe OpenRepos :) | 14:18 |
| coderus | scharel: Mitakuuluu using too hacky system methods, harbour cant pass it yet :) | 14:19 |
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| coderus | i'll bring this question on next meeting | 14:20 |
| scharel | so waiting and hoping for Jolla too either allow these methodes or providing APIs for it? | 14:20 |
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| coderus | no, hoping Jolla can handle full-opensource project, compile and release it with own channels after checking why restricted api are used. Hope if code transparency will get some advantage. | 14:22 |
| coderus | just pushing some code revision to Jolla, it checking and approving code, then automatically compiling it in chum or so and publishing | 14:22 |
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| scharel | ok, read something similar in #mer-meeting but couldn't follow the whole meeting, would be nice compromise between a safe, quality store and allowing community to use the full flovour of oss | 14:25 |
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| kimmoli_sailing_ | need also way to publish apps using i2c... | 14:29 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | need also way to lock i2c to one app, as multiple accesses cause phone to reboot | 14:30 |
| * SK_work read the minutes | 14:32 | |
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| SK_work | faenil: I loved your introduction line ... (in the sailfish meeting minutes) | 14:33 |
| faenil | :D | 14:36 |
| faenil | true story | 14:36 |
| faenil | I had 2mbit in down with 2db (!!!) SNR in download | 14:36 |
| mornfall | hmm, another problem... wlan regularly stops seeing any networks | 14:37 |
| mornfall | turning it off and on again fixes the problem | 14:38 |
| SK_work | mornfall: or waiting for a very long time | 14:38 |
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| mornfall | SK_work: how long is a very long time? more than 8 hours? | 14:38 |
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| SK_work | mornfall: ah :D never happened to me this long | 14:39 |
| SK_work | but I usually wait for about 20-30s | 14:39 |
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| SK_work | well not usually | 14:39 |
| SK_work | usually when it do not work | 14:39 |
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| mornfall | to me it seems that once the scan stops working it never comes back | 14:40 |
| mornfall | the main symptom is that the phone is stuck with 3G when I'm at home :-) | 14:40 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: imho meed global i2c manager threading connections | 15:01 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | coderus | 15:06 |
| dr_gogeta86 | +1 | 15:06 |
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| scharel | yes, global i2c manager would be nice, have few i2c devices laying around here but not yet time hacking | 15:15 |
| kimmoli_sailing | hacking is easy... just make apps behave with eachother | 15:15 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | toholed and tohkbd runninh at same time >> reboot | 15:16 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | but yes, one daemon to register with when app starts/wants to use i2c. | 15:18 |
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| scharel | and a nice Qt integration ;) | 15:23 |
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| SK_work | scharel: QI2C ? | 15:27 |
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| SK_work | future moduyle for the Qt project ? | 15:28 |
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| scharel | SK_work: is there something like that coming? | 15:31 |
| SK_work | scharel: no :( | 15:32 |
| SK_work | you can start it :) | 15:32 |
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| scharel | maybe in semester break, but there's lot of other stuff to do :S | 15:33 |
| SK_work | :( | 15:33 |
| SK_work | scharel: is I2C complex to wrap ? | 15:33 |
| scharel | i don't think so, I2C is used on microcontrollers for very long time, with simple C | 15:36 |
| lainwir3d | I2C is quite easy | 15:36 |
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| lainwir3d | even when using direct kernel api | 15:36 |
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| scharel | but as kimmoli said multiple access must be handled somehow | 15:39 |
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| lainwir3d | true | 15:43 |
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| scharel | would also solve the problem that apps using i2c need root privileges (as far as i know), what is not allowed in harbour | 15:47 |
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| lainwir3d | it needs root because of /dev/i2c* permission probably | 16:02 |
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| coderus | sudo chmod 777 /dev/i2c ? | 16:05 |
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| scharel | I don't know, have not yet tried something with i2c, just thaught someone had written something about i2c and root somewhere :D | 16:08 |
| Turski | probably easiest (and most practical) way would be to have a daemon handling i2c device? | 16:12 |
| Turski | i2cd | 16:12 |
| lainwir3d | yeah | 16:14 |
| lainwir3d | probably better | 16:14 |
| lainwir3d | multi-user and so on | 16:14 |
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| lainwir3d | have to go, bye ! | 16:15 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu update ready to release. Please update your translation in next 1 hour to be included in next update. | 16:24 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | just did a last minute change for german translation :) hopefully just in time coderus | 17:23 |
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| coderus | cover bug: http://i.imgur.com/flSNrKU.jpg | 17:44 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC__: >> String n° 373 is wrong in german translation. Can't change it - who can? | 17:45 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | coderus, I already did | 17:45 |
| coderus | good | 17:45 |
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| kimmoli | scharel: coderus i2c accesses dont need root since 1.0.5.x | 17:49 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: good :) | 17:51 |
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| scharel | kimmoli: thanks, good to know | 17:55 |
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| kimmoli | at least no need to devel-su before using i2ctool :P | 17:56 |
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| coderus | Where is this place? http://i.imgur.com/s9AV2Yw.jpg | 18:02 |
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| Stskeeps | carepack_: do i dare to ask what you found :) | 18:04 |
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| Stskeeps | er, coderus | 18:04 |
| Morpog_PC__ | coderus, is that from next update? :D | 18:04 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: i saw these places in some old russian movies :) | 18:04 |
| coderus | about finland fishing | 18:05 |
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| coderus | "Особенности национальной рыбалки" | 18:05 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: sorry i dont understand you | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | never mind :) | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | resolution was funny, 540x | 18:07 |
| M4rtinK | any pointers how to debug qmlscene crashing ? :) | 18:08 |
| coderus | M4rtinK: debug in binary mode before? | 18:09 |
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| coderus | M4rtinK: or at least check lournal | 18:09 |
| M4rtinK | well, it crashes on my Fedora 20 PC | 18:09 |
| M4rtinK | the same code runs just fine on the device | 18:09 |
| * Morpog_PC__ now knows that images of lakes just before an update in 540x resolution shocks Stskeeps :D | 18:10 | |
| M4rtinK | hmm, indeed there seem to be something in the Journal and looks like Abrt got a crash dump from it | 18:11 |
| Yaniel | to be fair, that one would make a fine update banner | 18:11 |
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| coderus | Stskeeps: just want to visit some of these places in future | 18:12 |
| Morpog_PC__ | well, I'm sure i can produce a similar one for next update to shock him again :D | 18:12 |
| coderus | like these nature | 18:12 |
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| coderus | so, future update will install new systemd? | 18:15 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | coderus, i think the one after summer | 18:15 |
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| M4rtinK | IIRC the upcoming one should have the new systemd | 18:17 |
| coderus | and when recovery package for usb-moded -r option become available | 18:17 |
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| M4rtinK | thp: looking at the stack frame the qmlscene crash might be PyOtherSide related | 18:21 |
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| ziggy42 | what's the state of sailfish for nexus4? If I install it will I have a true sailfish experience? :D | 18:26 |
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| Stskeeps | well, not a full one | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | but quite similar | 18:27 |
| Nicd- | ziggy42: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 18:27 |
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| ziggy42 | ok thanks, but I have harbour, can I try my apps on it etc? without problems? | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | not yet | 18:29 |
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| Stskeeps | we're getting that working atm | 18:29 |
| ziggy42 | ok thank you, I'll wait :) | 18:30 |
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| carepack_ | Stskeeps: hi. so what? | 18:44 |
| carepack_ | confused | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | carepack_: sorry, bad tab completition :) | 18:44 |
| carepack_ | :-) | 18:45 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: do you happen to have the URL to your diagram open vs closed packages at hand? I'd like to give people some good ole hard facts. ;) | 18:46 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/niceview.png but it's not complete -- it shows what upper layer depends on | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | (i think) | 18:47 |
| tbr | tnx | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | and it's out of date | 18:48 |
| tbr | was from around FOSDEM? | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | yes-ish | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | (sorry, i'm reading a 120 page technical report from a university project..) | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | so a bit distracted | 18:49 |
| tbr | np | 18:50 |
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| Loris_ | Maybe I have a small suggestion for a UI improvement.... I think the TextEdit Field is a bit hard to recognize as a text-input-field...especially if there is not placeholdertext (just a vertical line then)..Maybe it would be better to add something to make it more noticeable...like adding small vertical lines at the beginning and the end (like it is in android)....Any opinions to this? | 19:03 |
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| Stskeeps | where is there no placeholder text, ooi? | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | at least it's advised in UI guidelines, i think | 19:04 |
| Loris_ | In some developed apps this could be the case | 19:05 |
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| Loris_ | Btw, if you add no text, the line isnt visibile...so maybe a defaulttext="" would be good | 19:08 |
| Loris_ | oh sorry, it is visible...forgot the width ;-) | 19:09 |
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| coderus | Added new fancy quickscroll to Mitakuuluu, will release update soon :) | 19:40 |
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| kimmoli | facepalm | 19:47 |
| kimmoli | this must be a standard disclaimer on all mobile applications; Remark, if the app hang, that's because the internet is not so good. please exit app. | 19:48 |
| coderus | Mitakuuluu v0.7.5. Privacy settings, new fancy QuickScroll, fixies DL: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu LOG: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/v0.7.5 | 19:50 |
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| squidd | coderus: \o/ | 19:50 |
| M4rtinK | kimmoli: well, at least part if this on Sailfish OS are still connection switching related | 19:51 |
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| M4rtinK | kimmoli: quite often it is for example pretty evident with Tweetian | 19:51 |
| coderus | squidd: please check if it not segfaults. i have troubles last minutes before building release... :D | 19:52 |
| M4rtinK | you leave an area of WiFi coverage and all avatar images vanish and all refresh attempts fail | 19:52 |
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| squidd | coderus: gonna check it bit later, bit busy with Wildstar atm :D | 19:53 |
| kimmoli | at least it started .. | 19:54 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: good :0 | 19:54 |
| coderus | kimmoli: please check if conversation loading and quickscroll showed | 19:54 |
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| coderus | it wont show with little amount of messages, load more if needed | 19:54 |
| kimmoli | quickscroll pompula is there | 19:55 |
| coderus | kimmoli: good, thanks :_ | 19:55 |
| coderus | :) | 19:55 |
| kimmoli | in contacts, i dont have too long chat history there in wup | 19:55 |
| kimmoli | but like the category-scroll-feature | 19:57 |
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| coderus | Just forgot to introduce one feature of Mitakuuluu v0.7.5: It can import your Android WhatsApp account data! | 19:58 |
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| kimmoli | M4rtinK: this is from android application manual, i did not make it up... tweetian and irc (and enail) are the most breakable things for bad internet | 19:59 |
| M4rtinK | kimmoli: lol :) | 19:59 |
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| M4rtinK | well, at least it has some documentation :) | 20:00 |
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| kimmoli | it is in chinglish... | 20:00 |
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| M4rtinK | "My hovercraft is full of eels!" | 20:01 |
| Yaniel | this has to be one of the best lines I've seen out of context when switching channels on irc | 20:03 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: what os version you using? first feedback on update in twitter: but it wont open my conversations? #bug | 20:08 |
| coderus | :D | 20:08 |
| Turski | M4rtinK: for me, if i leave wlan coverage and have settings application open in multitasking view, trying to unlock the device will result in unevident lipstick crash | 20:09 |
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| Turski | and without ssh access the device have to be restarted | 20:10 |
| kimmoli | i see only "outstanding work" | 20:10 |
| Turski | if having ssh access, the connman can be restarted | 20:10 |
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| M4rtinK | Turski: at least no crash in my case :) | 20:15 |
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| ejjoman | coderus: Hey. I don't know, if you know :D but since last mitakuuluu update, I cannot open conversations: http://pastebin.com/xX2Ynkir | 20:19 |
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| Nightmare__ | ejjoman: coderus: same problem | 20:23 |
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| scharel | Newest version isn't anymore in OpenRepos, so I think he knows | 20:29 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu v0.7.6 PROPER uploaded | 21:38 |
| coderus | Mitakuuluu v0.7.6 PROPER uploaded | 21:38 |
| slate | twice? | 21:39 |
| slate | ;) | 21:39 |
| coderus | twice | 21:39 |
| coderus | sorry, too hungry for updates, didnt tested new QuickScroll properly. Removed that stuff. Better wait for SailfishOS update :) | 21:40 |
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| coderus | worst update ever, stupid me :D | 21:42 |
| kimmoli | ;) | 21:42 |
| slate | before 1.0 you can do anything | 21:42 |
| slate | :) | 21:42 |
| coderus | kimmoli: how did you tested that and it worked for you? :D | 21:43 |
| kimmoli | btw... MediaSelector ... Import 'org.nemomobile.thumbnailer 1.0' is not allowed | 21:43 |
| coderus | kimmoli: you can bundle it or replace with Image | 21:43 |
| coderus | i'm using thumbnailer for video previews also | 21:43 |
| kimmoli | wondering also why it works for you... | 21:43 |
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| kimmoli | yes, i need only images. | 21:44 |
| coderus | kimmoli: seems same way as it worked for you :) | 21:44 |
| kimmoli | but it works nicely though not harbour-compliant directly | 21:44 |
| coderus | jollausers working for anyone? ddos? | 21:45 |
| coderus | cant open page http://forum.jollausers.com/sailfish-applications/(official-support-thread)-mitakuuluu-native-whatsapp-compatible-application | 21:45 |
| raa79 | works fine here in finland with DNA mobile networks | 21:45 |
| coderus | strange, but thanks for the info.. | 21:46 |
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| raa79 | Dns resolved forum.jollausers.com to 85.10.55.182 | 21:47 |
| kimmoli | oh, now gn everyone... tomorrow i will check what to do with thunbnailer... | 21:47 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: you can compile and bundle it, or replace with Image | 21:47 |
| kimmoli | yep. have to make decision with that :) | 21:48 |
| kimmoli | there was also one QThread warning | 21:49 |
| kimmoli | and had to add getPath() to filemodel.cpp ? | 21:49 |
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| * kimmoli ZZzzzZZzz ttyl | 21:51 | |
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| coderus | kimmoli: QThread warning is ok, i'm using hacky self-destruction threads :D | 22:07 |
| coderus | what is getPath for? | 22:07 |
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| artemma | DocumentGallery that some Sailfish example use are not a part of standard Qt 5.x, but rather remainings of old QtMobility that only Nemo uses, correct? | 22:31 |
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