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| dwangoAC | What would happen if I were to install cyanogenmod while running Android 4.4.2 (instead of 4.2.2 as perscribed)? | 02:57 |
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| Stskeeps | dwangoAC: modem images out of alignment prolly | 03:58 |
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| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: I plan on flashing the modem separately if possible, as it is the modem firmware isn't fully "correct" in the US as the LTS support is disabled | 05:37 |
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| dwangoAC | One thing that *may* be wrong is that I don't see any wireless networks | 05:38 |
| dwangoAC | Either that or I don't know how to use it :) | 05:38 |
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| dwangoAC | Hmm... I wonder if I'm seeing this: https://together.jolla.com/question/41039/phone-doesnt-enter-mobile-internet-and-wlan/ | 05:47 |
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| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: heh - I was playing around and I flashed radio version 0.33 from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=36400943&postcount=1 and mobile internet now shows "These settings are not available without SIM card" | 06:12 |
| dwangoAC | So apparently it doesn't like *that* version :0 | 06:13 |
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| fzk | are you also early adopters? | 06:19 |
| dwangoAC | Me? | 06:19 |
| fzk | yes | 06:19 |
| dwangoAC | I'm an old N900 user and I am a test engineer by day | 06:19 |
| dwangoAC | I suppose you could call me an early adopter | 06:19 |
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| fzk | i mean sailfish | 06:19 |
| dwangoAC | I'm mostly working on this from a testing perspective. | 06:19 |
| dwangoAC | fzk: So, for me, I'm messing around with the latest Sailfish release for the Nexus 4 | 06:20 |
| dwangoAC | ...except I'm doing it all wrong, somewhat intentionally. | 06:20 |
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| fzk | o.o | 06:21 |
| fzk | i signed up for their mailinglist where they release it | 06:21 |
| pp | hehe, hacked radio firmware :-) | 06:22 |
| pp | sounds like the guys in antenna vans love that kind of thing | 06:23 |
| dwangoAC | pp: Only sort of hacked :) | 06:24 |
| dwangoAC | pp: The goal is to re-enable the LTE support that was disabled | 06:24 |
| fzk | they connect oscilloscopes to their dicks and get hard | 06:24 |
| dwangoAC | pp: I happen to be in the US where Nexus 4 devices have the LTE neutered because they didn't get FCC testing in time | 06:24 |
| dwangoAC | fzk: Umm.. eww. | 06:24 |
| fzk | oh, shit | 06:24 |
| fzk | i wrote in the wrong channel | 06:24 |
| fzk | :-D | 06:24 |
| fzk | i thought this was another network | 06:25 |
| fzk | :-) | 06:25 |
| pp | guys in antenna vans being FCC in this case :-) | 06:25 |
| fzk | im eagerly waiting for the i9305 | 06:25 |
| fzk | oh, in sweden they dont use vans | 06:26 |
| fzk | instead they have equipment everywhere to triangulate unwanted radiotraffic and send the police :-D | 06:26 |
| dwangoAC | Heh, my poor phone - It's been on a journey of Android 4.4.2 -> cm 10.1 -> Sailfish 1.0.5.16 -> modified radio firmware -> stock Android 4.2.2 all -> cm 10.1 -> Sailfish again | 06:26 |
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| fzk | dwangoAC: nexus? | 06:27 |
| dwangoAC | fzk: Nexus 4, yes. | 06:27 |
| fzk | oh ok | 06:27 |
| fzk | how is it working? | 06:27 |
| dwangoAC | fzk: Well, my goal was to try to swap out the radio, and that part hasn't worked out well, yet. | 06:28 |
| dwangoAC | I need to do more research, and probably talk to Stskeeps about what's specific about the 4.2.2 release of the baseband radio firmware release. | 06:28 |
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| dwangoAC | Bah, keep holding up+power instead of down+power :) | 06:29 |
| fzk | hmm | 06:29 |
| tbr | dwangoAC: it's about the architecture of it. | 06:29 |
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| dwangoAC | tbr: How so? | 06:29 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: Is 4.2.2 substantially different / unique in some way? | 06:30 |
| tbr | dwangoAC: there is actually a presentation today or tomorrow at ELC on that topic | 06:30 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: Tell me more | 06:30 |
| tbr | dwangoAC: the chain is: Radio → ModemIP → ModemIP firmware → ARM SoC (APE) → linux → bionic → RIL → oFono | 06:31 |
| tbr | and that ignores the audio part for simplicity | 06:31 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: That's a heck of the chain | 06:31 |
| dwangoAC | er, a chain | 06:31 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: It makes sense, though | 06:31 |
| tbr | dwangoAC: well I was being verbose | 06:31 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: You're also being very accurate | 06:31 |
| tbr | the sailfish part is just the thing at the very end | 06:31 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: Well, that and the linux kernel si in the sailfish install | 06:32 |
| tbr | I to spent considerable time as a PM/TM/TE in mobile phones ;) | 06:32 |
| tbr | too | 06:32 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: Project Manager? | 06:32 |
| tbr | yes | 06:32 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: I'm a test engineer by day and I test 100 Gbps packet-optical equipment | 06:33 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: What's really fun is I get to play with that on DWDM equipment which provides 96 channels / wavelengths at 100 Gbps | 06:33 |
| tbr | DWDM and stuff I guess? | 06:33 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: I love my job. :) | 06:33 |
| tbr | technology is cool. :) | 06:33 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: Well, you *can* do 10 10 Gbps wavelengths but 100 Gbps on a single wavelength is.. um.. exponentially better, you could say. | 06:34 |
| dwangoAC | Perhaps not so much from a cost perspective, just yet, but that's comming with cheaper CFP modules. | 06:34 |
| dwangoAC | *coming | 06:34 |
| tbr | anyway, so ofono relies on RIL behaving in a certain way. I suspect that the modem blob makes RIL choke, not even ofono | 06:34 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: That'd make sense, but what I'm curious about is what it will take to make ofono not choke :) | 06:35 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: I know that's a tall order, and it's probably beyond my meager programming abilities, but I can always hope | 06:35 |
| tbr | dwangoAC: actually, it might not be _that_ hard. | 06:36 |
| tbr | dwangoAC: it's a crapshot but try replacing RIL with one that matches the modem firmware | 06:36 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: Looking at what this guy did to make a hybrid firmware, I think it's actually not too bad - http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/ref-mako-hybrid-modem-collection-v2-t2412052/post43925317#post43925317 | 06:37 |
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| dwangoAC | I like adb sideload - much easier for me | 06:40 |
| dwangoAC | Just finishing up going from 4.2.2 clean (using flash-all) -> cm 10.1 -> Sailfish | 06:40 |
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| fzk | o.o | 06:41 |
| tbr | oh, fun times, the camera is connected to the modem core? | 06:41 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: I've been puzzling about that myself! | 06:41 |
| tbr | embedded SoCs are fun! | 06:41 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: Tell me about it... we're beholden to Broadcom in my industry, and they recently pulled a fast one on us where they said we could use one chip and then decided that they weren't going to provide the software for it only after we'd purchased the chip | 06:42 |
| dwangoAC | They came out with an updated chip and only released softare for that version, so we had to go buy that one instead | 06:42 |
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| dwangoAC | Hmm... OK, now I'm positive that I'm doing everything right as I've followed the instructions to a T - I have mobile internet just fine, but Settings -> System -> WLAN is empty | 06:49 |
| dwangoAC | My wifi is hidden, so perhaps that's a problem | 06:49 |
| dwangoAC | ..wonder what iwconfig shows | 06:49 |
| dwangoAC | Hmm... iwlist scan just reponds with Scan completed : | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | is /firmware mounted? | 06:52 |
| dwangoAC | Is wifi known to be entirely broken? | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | no, works for me | 06:52 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: let me see | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | but hidden wifi is often a source of fun problems | 06:52 |
| dwangoAC | Whoa, that's a lot of mountpoints. I see /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /firmware type vfat | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 06:53 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: It can be indeed. Good to see you, by the way. | 06:53 |
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| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: So /firmware/image has a large number of dspx and other file types in it | 06:55 |
| dwangoAC | As in, yes, it does appear to be properly mounted. Right now I'm trying to enable root access to see if I can do an iwconfig | 06:56 |
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| dwangoAC | Not sure if that's such a smart idea though | 06:56 |
| dwangoAC | Hmm.. doing this wrong. I set the root password for ssh but su definitely doesn't follow the same password method | 06:59 |
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| stephg | dwangoAC: su or devel-su? | 07:01 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: Oh, didn't know about that one - behind on my reading | 07:02 |
| stephg | it's the old maemo way :) | 07:02 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: The old maemo way was sudo gainroot :) | 07:02 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: Was devel-su the old meego way? | 07:02 |
| stephg | the intermediately old way ;) | 07:02 |
| stephg | was gainroot on an n900, devel-su on an n9 iirc | 07:03 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: Got it. Makes sense. | 07:03 |
| dwangoAC | Hmm... connection refused when trying ssh, even after enabling ssh password | 07:03 |
| stephg | even from itself? i.e. if you try in fingerterm? | 07:03 |
| stephg | seem to recall people having wacky ssh problems if the networking was misbehaving | 07:04 |
| dwangoAC | Ouch, trying that now (I type slow on this tiny keyboard) | 07:04 |
| * stephg to speak to an operator, mash the keypad with your palm now... | 07:04 | |
| dwangoAC | What the... | 07:05 |
| fzk | i miss the n900 | 07:05 |
| dwangoAC | OK, I tried to do ssh nemo@localhost and it asked me which internet connnection to use, so I selected wlan and wireless networks appeared | 07:05 |
| dwangoAC | Including an option for hidden network | 07:05 |
| stephg | er | 07:05 |
| stephg | cool! | 07:05 |
| dwangoAC | fzk: And, yes, I very much miss my N900, it died when it fell two feet and landed on the USB charging cable | 07:06 |
| dwangoAC | USB death. Sad. GSM chip was going out too, had to hold it down with a silicone pad. | 07:06 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: I don't entirely understand what's going on there, it's like it wasn't initially showing any wlan connections until I set a root apssword or something | 07:06 |
| fzk | dwangoAC: mine sits in a box since i got the n9 | 07:06 |
| fzk | now i run the nokia 101 since i havent found a phone that is great, yet | 07:07 |
| fzk | n9>* | 07:07 |
| fzk | i would love a n950 with sailfish | 07:10 |
| dwangoAC | fzk: Me too, I really want a phone with a hardware keyboard | 07:10 |
| stephg | dwangoAC: I can't remember if the journal by default records any of the wireless goings on | 07:10 |
| dwangoAC | Is there an Other Half coming to the US with a hardware keyboard? | 07:10 |
| stephg | but it's worth a look | 07:10 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: Journal? | 07:10 |
| stephg | journalctl -a | 07:10 |
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| dwangoAC | stephg: Empty | 07:13 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: Not so empty after doing devel-su | 07:13 |
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| fzk | if the jolla gets a hw keyboard i will get one directly | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | there's already a community one | 07:14 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: which regrettably lacks my USA requirement | 07:14 |
| dwangoAC | But soon :) | 07:14 |
| dwangoAC | I borrowed a Galaxy S4 from work and spent $20 on a keyboard case, but the keyboard was so completely pathetic that it wasn't worth it, and even the case was so cheap that it started to fall apart after only three weeks | 07:15 |
| dwangoAC | Well, it was structurally sound, just ugly :) | 07:15 |
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| dwangoAC | stephg: There's some interesting things in the journalctl -a output, such as this one over and over again: GLIB WARNING ** UPower-Linux - energy_full (2087.000000) is greater than energy_full_design (0.000000) | 07:16 |
| fzk | oh? | 07:16 |
| stephg | dwangoAC: that's a known thing :) | 07:17 |
| dwangoAC | Jolla booster-silica-qt5[1644]: Unable to open input file: No such file or directory | 07:17 |
| dwangoAC | Jolla booster-silica-[2880]: [W] QFeedbackFFMemless::initialiseEffects:289 - bool QFeedbackFFMemless::initialiseEffects() Error: did not find vibr | 07:17 |
| dwangoAC | not sure what that one is about either | 07:18 |
| jussi | ok, so sailfish on n4, Im getting it frozen on the lock screen with a message coming up "problem with connection". I cant unlock, nor go to notiications or anything | 07:18 |
| stephg | jussi: if you plug it into USB does it get any better? anecdotally, for me at least if it's unresponsive plugging it into the mains wakes it up somewhat | 07:19 |
| stephg | and just out of interest do you get problem with connection over and over or just once? | 07:19 |
| Stskeeps | jussi: bug-for-bug compatibility with 1.0.5.16 | 07:19 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: OK, looking through the output, I see the following output directly before wireless magically started working: | 07:20 |
| dwangoAC | Apr 29 00:07:41 Jolla lipstick[1522]: [W] unknown:120 - file:///usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/ContextMenu.qml:120: TypeError: Object [object Object] has no meth | 07:20 |
| dwangoAC | od '_undimScreen' | 07:20 |
| dwangoAC | Apr 29 00:07:41 Jolla connmand[888]: Skipping disconnect of 324265646c616d33_managed_none, network is connecting. | 07:20 |
| stephg | hm that last one looks promising | 07:20 |
| dwangoAC | There were no previous warnings about the network not working | 07:21 |
| dwangoAC | Or networking at all, for that matter :) | 07:21 |
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| dwangoAC | OK, now that I have network connectivity, time to see if I can pull in my Google contacts | 07:22 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: so it is already reported then? | 07:22 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 07:22 |
| dwangoAC | not sure how synchronization works, I always used to use erminig for calendar and a one-time sync with theonering for contacts | 07:22 |
| jussi | stephg: strange thing, I just got a phone call and was able to answer. | 07:23 |
| jussi | I got the connection thing several times | 07:23 |
| dwangoAC | Wow, adding a gmail account was super easy | 07:26 |
| dwangoAC | ...I don't think it was ever that easy on an N900 | 07:26 |
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| kengu | how do I figure out what version of tweetian I have installed? | 12:39 |
| Acce | in Jolla store client | 12:39 |
| Acce | click the "..." open | 12:40 |
| Acce | and at the bottom before screenshots there's entry "installed" | 12:40 |
| kengu | ok | 12:40 |
| kengu | 2.0.2 ok | 12:41 |
| Acce | or you can do "rpm -qa \*tweetian\*" too | 12:41 |
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| kengu | ok. and foursail is not from harbour so the rpm trick was good for that as it is not valid for store (yet).. | 12:49 |
| kengu | thanks | 12:50 |
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| meek_geek | hi | 13:49 |
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| squidd | well hello ther | 13:50 |
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| dwangoAC | I've now used the Nexus 4 beta to add two different Google accounts simultaneously as well as a personal E-Mail account and that part is working well. Still trying to figure out how to install packages from the command line, I keep forgetting the app's name :) | 16:50 |
| dwangoAC | (I want to install nethack, or at least try to, as a proof of concept) | 16:50 |
| Yaniel | pkcon | 16:51 |
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| basscataz | is there any way to raise call volume on the nexus 4 beta? or is that next release | 17:24 |
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| keithzg | dwangoAC: To help you remember, pkcon stands for PackageKit Console. In truth I find zypper better (less layers of abstraction) which you can also install and use, but I honestly have a longstanding dislike of PackageKit so I'm a bit biased ;) | 18:17 |
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| tigeli | keithzg: zypper is ok if it's certain that you are only one commanding your system at any given time | 18:19 |
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| keithzg | tigeli: Well I mean, obviously RPM-based tools all suck, we all know this, this is why Debian is the one true way ;) | 18:20 |
| keithzg | But in all seriousness, I didn't necessarily know that, I'm resolutely Debian-based myself when I can be. Good to know. | 18:20 |
| keithzg | Although one does assume one is the only one commanding one's SailfishOS system at any given time! | 18:20 |
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| Yaniel | technically yes | 18:40 |
| Yaniel | but you can do so from multiple places | 18:40 |
| Yaniel | via SSH, via terminal, via app store, ... | 18:40 |
| dwangoAC | keithzg: I'm a .deb guy through and through | 18:43 |
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| keithzg | Yaniel: Hopefully, though, I notice that I'm doing so. If I'm unaware of my own actions, that's probably a bigger problem ;) | 18:57 |
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| immotus | I'm looking for instructions (or some sort of guidence) for installing SailfishOS on my T-mobile G2 (aka HTC Desire Z). I see on jollatides.com that SailfishOS runs on a Nexus One which has similar hardware specs (at least, on the surface). Know of any useful docs that could help me? | 19:18 |
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| dwangoAC | immotus: Stskeeps and stephg are likely asleep, but those two are the most likely to be able to point you in the right direction. I know that they will be releasing a hardware adaptation kit or some similarly named project in the next few weeks to make porting to other phones easier. | 19:30 |
| immotus | dwangoAC: thanks! | 19:32 |
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| Acce | anyone who has used localstorage in their apps, any suggestions on how to deal with upgrading the database to a new version? | 19:33 |
| immotus | dwangoAC: I've been looking forward to using it for awhile, but they don't sell Jolla phones in the U.S. yet :^) | 19:33 |
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| stephg | I'm here | 19:38 |
| stephg | there's lots here that can help | 19:38 |
| stephg | the sailors have been in meetings all day though | 19:39 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: Sailors - apt description :) | 19:39 |
| dwangoAC | pkcon doesn't seem to have a single app I can install, need to sort out repositories... | 19:40 |
| stephg | it's a suitable colloquialism for them isn't it | 19:40 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: Yes :) | 19:40 |
| dwangoAC | immotus: I bought my wife a Nexus 5 and took her Nexus 4 and put Sailfish on it | 19:40 |
| immotus | stephg: meetings about how to tie good sailing knots? ;^) | 19:40 |
| dwangoAC | immotus: That made my wife happy, and so far I'm happy | 19:40 |
| stephg | dwangoAC: ssu ar mer-tools; ssu ur; pkcon refresh; pkcon (lsof|strace|gdb etc) | 19:40 |
| stephg | they're not apps but handy for debugging apps | 19:40 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: Ah, cool, hadn't looked that up | 19:41 |
| stephg | if you want apps, you'll need to go to openrepos.net | 19:41 |
| stephg | and download rpms there, then pkcon install-local /path/to/whatever/you/downloaded.rpm | 19:41 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: I was working on generating an ssh key so I could do a reverse ssh session so I didn't have to use fingerterm (no rotation on the Nexus 4 = really cramped keyboard) | 19:41 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: Eww... | 19:41 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: I was really hoping for apt-get install style package management out of pkcon - is pkcon more like dpkg? | 19:41 |
| stephg | ssh is there also for wireless and on the usbnet too | 19:41 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: Wireless firewall at work, so I have to get greative | 19:42 |
| stephg | immotus: regarding the Desire Z, you have a bit of a wait I'm afraid | 19:42 |
| dwangoAC | *creative | 19:42 |
| stephg | dwangoAC: even with the usbnet? you can't ssh out of it? | 19:42 |
| stephg | immotus: unless you're particularly persistent | 19:42 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: I had a lot of trouble iwth that, for some reason | 19:42 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: Connection was always refused | 19:42 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: I'll try again on a different computer now, though | 19:42 |
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| stephg | immotus: I don't know who did the nexus one (was it vgrade?) but they're working on a Hardware Adaptation Development Kit to ease the process of new adaptations | 19:43 |
| stephg | until that's out (which hopefully will be weeks, but I'm community so don't know the details) it's a bit of a fumble in the dark | 19:44 |
| stephg | depends upon your background and persistence | 19:44 |
| stephg | dwangoAC: conn refused would be an odd error if it were the firewall I'd have thought | 19:44 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: Oh, that was last night, at home, no firewall | 19:44 |
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| dwangoAC | Hmm.. working fine on this system, over USB | 19:45 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: Not sure what was going on last night, could have been that Linux Mint didn't properly push down the static IP | 19:45 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: But, yes, this is *far* easier than typing on the phone :) | 19:45 |
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| stephg | dwangoAC and to answer your question about pkcon, it's more yum or apt-get than dpkg, it's just apps aren't in the official repos by and large, and the nemo/mer underneath sailfish are minimal by design | 19:45 |
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| dwangoAC | stephg: Hmm... is that likely to change any time soon? | 19:46 |
| immotus | stephg: that's great news! I'm a Linux sysadmin so I should be able to follow some basic instructions pretty well. I've just never messed with Mobile OS's beyond regular OS upgrades | 19:46 |
| stephg | for those core repos, no, but the jolla and the community are looking at OBS to provide community qa'd repos for other stuff | 19:46 |
| stephg | and then there's the app store(s) on top of that too | 19:47 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: Which I have no access to because I'm on a Nexus 4, correct? | 19:47 |
| stephg | dwangoAC: it happens I'm also an admin :) | 19:47 |
| stephg | for the store, currently, yes | 19:47 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: As in, an admin for Jolla? | 19:47 |
| stephg | no, not for Jolla, I'm community | 19:47 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: Thanks for the pointers about the ssu commands - I'm sure I would have found them in a guide eventually | 19:48 |
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| dwangoAC | stephg: I was able to install strace, so that's at least something | 19:48 |
| stephg | (ssu == seamless software updater) | 19:48 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: I'm trying to install tmux, no luck yet | 19:48 |
| stephg | most of the debuggy things you'll need are in mer-tools | 19:48 |
| stephg | screen is there iirc | 19:48 |
| stephg | don't know about tmux | 19:48 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: And really, I mostly need w3m | 19:49 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: Because without w3m it's kind of hard to use a terminal to navigate to openrepos.net :) | 19:49 |
| stephg | dwangoAC: if you haven't already, it's worth a look at the sailfish sdk just to follow how things 'work' | 19:49 |
| stephg | and also a look at OBS | 19:49 |
| stephg | I don't know if the mer wiki is particularly uptodate | 19:49 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: Will definitely do that - I'm apalled at what's *missing* - things like wget aren't here | 19:49 |
| stephg | dwangoAC: you can use the browser you know ;) | 19:50 |
| stephg | wget should also be in mer-tools | 19:50 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: I know :) | 19:50 |
| stephg | right, dinner time, bbi 30 or so | 19:50 |
| keithzg | Until fingerterm gets pasting, wget isn't terribly useful for me :( | 19:50 |
| dwangoAC | stephg: so I did ssu mer-tools, but pkcon install wget says it coulnd't find it | 19:50 |
| dwangoAC | keithzg: I'm ssh'ing in | 19:50 |
| keithzg | dwangoAC: Touché, although that means you could always just wget locally and rsync/scp over, only slightly more effort. | 19:51 |
| immotus | dwangoAC: maybe they have curl instead? | 19:51 |
| dwangoAC | immotus: I'll try | 19:51 |
| dwangoAC | immotus: Yes, they do indeed already have curl | 19:52 |
| dwangoAC | And that will serve my purposes OK | 19:52 |
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| immotus | dwangoAC: yay :^) | 19:52 |
| dwangoAC | immotus: Thanks for the reminder :) | 19:52 |
| dwangoAC | Hmmm.. do I want applicaton platform nemomobile_app or sailfish_app? | 19:53 |
| dwangoAC | I see nemo as the username which gives me pause | 19:53 |
| immotus | dwangoAC: my next suggestion was going to be "lynx" but people seem to have forgotten that text-browser :^) | 19:53 |
| keithzg | You want sailfish. | 19:54 |
| dwangoAC | immotus: The developers have forgotten, yes | 19:54 |
| dwangoAC | immotus: w3m is my go-to browesr for viewing slashdot :) | 19:54 |
| dwangoAC | keithzg: THanks | 19:54 |
| keithzg | Sailfish is based on Nemo (essentially), hence the username inheritance. Nemo is entirely open source, and is an attempt to have a working environment atop Mer. But Nemo lacks the Silica components specific to Sailfish. | 19:55 |
| dwangoAC | Crap - when using curl, make sure you send it somewhere, just doing curl on a .rpm file is a bad idea | 19:56 |
| dwangoAC | Terminal is a mess now :) | 19:56 |
| keithzg | hahaha | 19:56 |
| dwangoAC | Ah, reset = better | 19:56 |
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| dwangoAC | keithzg: Thanks for the explanation. My primary problem is I just spent the last .. um.. almost four years on my N900 on Maemo | 19:56 |
| dwangoAC | keithzg: everything past that I'm just not familiar with | 19:56 |
| dwangoAC | Other than looking at Tizen and deciding it's a nightmare | 19:57 |
| * tbr bumps in | 19:57 | |
| tbr | you guys have turned on the mer-tools repo right? | 19:57 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: I just did, yes | 19:57 |
| tbr | for all the useful and useless tools | 19:57 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: But it doesn't seem to have much other than strace :) | 19:57 |
| tbr | it has a whole ne OS in it | 19:57 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: I'm trying to get things like nmap, w3m, wget, etc. | 19:57 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: Wait, what? | 19:58 |
| keithzg | (Yeahhhhh, Tizen is mostly just Samsung's emergency backup in case they need to ditch Android.) | 19:58 |
| tbr | emacs, because some people need that also on their phone | 19:58 |
| dwangoAC | keithzg: That's what it's regrettably turned into, yes. | 19:58 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: I need vim :) | 19:58 |
| tbr | keithzg: and intels money pit and GENIVI being pissed etc | 19:58 |
| dwangoAC | oh, hey, look, it has vim! | 19:58 |
| tbr | dwangoAC: that should be on the device by default | 19:58 |
| * immotus adds his arsenal to the editor wars on behalf of vim | 19:58 | |
| * tbr sees only vim people, life is good | 19:59 | |
| Waitee | vim. | 19:59 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: vi is | 19:59 |
| dwangoAC | tbr: vim isn't, but I was able to pkcon install vim | 19:59 |
| dwangoAC | (probably in mer-tools? not sure) | 19:59 |
| dwangoAC | immotus: Welcome, fellow enlightened keyboard user | 19:59 |
| * keithzg is a poser and usually uses nano | 19:59 | |
| Waitee | jolla has vim installed by default | 19:59 |
| dwangoAC | OK, I'm used to wget, with curl do I just > into the binary filename or do I use the -d flag? | 20:00 |
| immotus | Click and rejoice all Firefox/Vim users! https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wasavi/ | 20:00 |
| Waitee | for some reason you start it with the command "vi" | 20:00 |
| dwangoAC | Waitee: Hmm.. well, pkcon instlal vim makes vim work :) | 20:00 |
| Waitee | : | 20:00 |
| Waitee | :D | 20:00 |
| Waitee | the vi editor in jolla is actually vim anyways | 20:00 |
| dwangoAC | immotus: Looking at it now - it looks like it's a lot better than vimperator | 20:00 |
| dwangoAC | immotus: vimperator did *too much* | 20:00 |
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| dwangoAC | immotus: I've been using It's All Text pointed at gvim and I have my macros set up there | 20:01 |
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| immotus | dwangoAC: yeah.. vimperator kind've takes over the entire browser.. wasavi you only use the add-on when you press ctrl-enter inside a TEXTAREA field | 20:06 |
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| fzk | !ass | 20:19 |
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| fzk | oh shit | 20:19 |
| fzk | not again | 20:19 |
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| stephg | back | 20:21 |
| fzk | stephg: ok | 20:21 |
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| meegobit | Hi everyone, I'm trying to build a service for SailfishOS, in SailfishSDK, what's the proper template for this usecase? I thought It would be plain c++ project, but, then I don't have an rpm, and It doesn't build for armv7hl, should I choose sailfishOS template, and then remove the QML folder and desktop file or what? | 21:28 |
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| stephg | if it's a service proper then yeah you can ditch all of the Qt stuff | 21:31 |
| stephg | using one of the existing demo templates isn't a bad idea | 21:31 |
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| stephg | as far as the rpm goes, look for a .spec file somewhere there (assuming that's how they get built, I've not actually looked) | 21:31 |
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| meegobit | they use yaml | 21:32 |
| meegobit | for the rpm | 21:32 |
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| stephg | well that answers that part of your question | 21:34 |
| stephg | I'm just having a look on openrepos for something comparable to what you describe | 21:34 |
| stephg | for something that has a source url | 21:35 |
| meegobit | great, thanks | 21:35 |
| stephg | or someone who knows more will pipe up soon :) | 21:35 |
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| stephg | meegobit: have a look at the command-line build stages here also: https://github.com/amarchen/helloworld-pro-sailfish | 21:43 |
| stephg | ^^ that's artemma here | 21:44 |
| stephg | anyway I have to go | 21:44 |
| stephg | good luck! | 21:44 |
| artemma | stephg: I am not sure command line steps work | 21:44 |
| meegobit | thanks, stephg | 21:44 |
| artemma | they used to, but last time something went wrong there.. | 21:44 |
| * artemma uses QtC builds | 21:45 | |
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| artemma | but steps in HWP should be close and they worked at least once, so it's nice if somebody could verify/fix | 21:45 |
| meegobit | what are qtC builds | 21:46 |
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| meegobit | right now I'm trying to go from a cmake c++ template and then add mersdk kit to the project | 21:52 |
| meegobit | but after I select build location for that target, it doesn't have any generator and so it can't continue :P | 21:52 |
| meegobit | any clues? | 21:53 |
| meegobit | both targets of mersdk have this same problem | 21:58 |
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| meegobit | ok, gave up, switching back to a sailfish app template, ut removing all qml and .desktop references | 22:13 |
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| meegobit | from the project file | 22:14 |
| meegobit | and related yaml file dependencies: sailfishapp Qt5Qml, Qt5Qick | 22:15 |
| meegobit | and runtime sailfishsilica | 22:15 |
| meegobit | wonder if this will ever work | 22:15 |
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| dwangoAC | meegobit: Hopefully it will work so you can tell me how to do it :) | 22:48 |
| dwangoAC | meegobit: I'm just getting my feet wet with the "Meego" way of doing things, after having loved Maemo for so long | 22:48 |
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| meegobit | dwangoAC: I'm also a newb in Sailfish, I did some work on meego back in the day, And it feels pretty different now | 22:52 |
| dwangoAC | meegobit: If it's that different, well, I guess we're all learning | 22:52 |
| meegobit | I'm trying to make it work, and will be reporting my successes and failures here, and hopefully get some help from the more experienced | 22:53 |
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| dwangoAC | The more experienced have very different sleep schedules than I do. :) | 23:10 |
| meegobit | :P | 23:11 |
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| meegobit | when are they usually around? | 23:19 |
| keithzg | When Europe is awake, basically. | 23:22 |
| meegobit | thanks | 23:23 |
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