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| Sviox | Hi. Just updated my SDK (Windows version...). Can no longer see the Sailfish background image on emulator. Should this be expected? It's just black background now. | 06:13 |
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| Nicd- | is the whole screen black? | 06:23 |
| cobu | emulator background back on both home and lock screen? | 06:25 |
| cobu | black* | 06:25 |
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| aard_ | vgrade: it's "I ask integration system for a graph for a package, and I specify depth" | 06:28 |
| Sviox | Yes, black everywhere | 06:33 |
| Nicd- | try double clicking it | 06:33 |
| Sviox | On my own app there seems to be a very subtle texture of some sort on the background.. | 06:34 |
| Nicd- | ah, so it's not in power saving mode. dunno then | 06:36 |
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| kaltsi | Sviox: I had that happen to me too, but then on a fresh install I got the background again.. which host do you have? linux/mac/win? | 06:41 |
| kaltsi | Sviox: oh you say windows there. stupid me.. I had it happen in linux | 06:42 |
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| Sviox | Hmm, hope someone knows/finds a way to restore the background. I would hate to reinstall the whole thing. | 06:44 |
| kaltsi | Sviox: could you boot up the emulator and login as root (using ssh keys), then if you take "journalctl -a > logfile.txt" and send that in mail to me juha dot kallioinen at jolla.com , I'd like to take a look at it.. or you can also read through it to see if there's anything relevant to background or theme there | 06:45 |
| kaltsi | but if this is difficult to do because it's windows, then I'll have to try to repro it myself somewhere | 06:46 |
| Sviox | Btw, what would you say is the proper platform way of indicating 'empty' state on a content list/grid page? Some sort of huge text saying "no content" in the middle of the page? | 06:46 |
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| Sviox | ssh keys on windows are a bit unknown waters. I suppose I could try putty's key generator.. | 06:47 |
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| kaltsi | I wish I had saved the ssh-to-emulator-in-windows instructions someone had here.. | 06:48 |
| stephg | Sviox, you can convert them with puttygen yeah | 06:48 |
| stephg | is not hard, can talk you through if need be | 06:48 |
| Sviox | great :) | 06:48 |
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| kaltsi | stephg: can you talk on this channel? I can put it into our documentation then too :) | 06:48 |
| stephg | sure | 06:48 |
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| kaltsi | thanks.. afk for a while now, will look at the logs a bit later | 06:49 |
| Sviox | Step 1: Download puttygen. Step 2: generate key. Step 3: Save public+private keys - anything special here? Does the private key need to be password protected? | 06:49 |
| stephg | Sviox, you don't need to regen keys | 06:49 |
| stephg | the keys for both the sdk and the emulator are in the path | 06:50 |
| Sviox | oh.. | 06:50 |
| stephg | putty doesn't understand the openssh format | 06:50 |
| stephg | so you have to convert them to the putty ppk format | 06:50 |
| stephg | that's why you need puttygen | 06:50 |
| stephg | once you have puttygen | 06:51 |
| Sviox | okay.. where exactly can the key be found? | 06:51 |
| stephg | run it | 06:51 |
| stephg | and one of the options in the drop down is to import or convert keys | 06:51 |
| stephg | the keys are... | 06:51 |
| stephg | (this is the linux path but it'll be similar): SailfishOS/vmshare/ssh/private_keys/ | 06:52 |
| stephg | engine/ for the sdk | 06:52 |
| stephg | and SailfishOS_Emulator/ for the emulator | 06:52 |
| Sviox | Okay, 4 files in there | 06:53 |
| stephg | you don't care about the .pub ones | 06:53 |
| Sviox | mersdk, mersdk.pub, root and root.pub | 06:53 |
| Sviox | .pub look like public keys - that would make the other extensionless files private ones? | 06:53 |
| Sviox | Do I need to convert both of these? | 06:54 |
| stephg | well you can convert both now so you don't have to later | 06:54 |
| Sviox | okay - imported to puttygen - now enough to just save private key? | 06:55 |
| stephg | think so yep | 06:55 |
| stephg | the important think is you end up with a. ppk file | 06:55 |
| stephg | as that's what putty understands | 06:55 |
| Sviox | okay done | 06:55 |
| stephg | hyou can then load that into putty and it'll use it for passwordless auth | 06:55 |
| Sviox | Then I suppose I add it to putty conf at connection / ssh / auth? | 06:56 |
| stephg | yep | 06:56 |
| Sviox | asks for login name - should it? | 06:57 |
| stephg | the way the putty ui deals with connection settings per saved connections is a little unintuitive | 06:57 |
| Sviox | I know.. but I've learned it the hard way ;) | 06:58 |
| stephg | hehe | 06:58 |
| Sviox | login as: root | 06:58 |
| Sviox | Server refused our key | 06:58 |
| stephg | hm | 06:58 |
| stephg | and the port forwarding is right? | 06:58 |
| stephg | I mean you're not trying to connect to the emulator by mistake or something | 06:58 |
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| Sviox | umm... perhaps I am - you mean I should connect to build engine instead? | 06:59 |
| stephg | aha | 06:59 |
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| stephg | yes the engine ones are for the sdk box | 06:59 |
| Sviox | localhost:2223 | 06:59 |
| stephg | the emulator has it's own | 06:59 |
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| stephg | (I can't remember which way round the ports go) | 06:59 |
| Sviox | But which am I supposed to connect to get that log from? :) | 07:00 |
| stephg | reading up thread, about the background thing? | 07:00 |
| Sviox | Emulator is 2223 and mersdk 2222 | 07:00 |
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| stephg | that'd be the emulator | 07:01 |
| stephg | but you've loaded the mersdk keys I think | 07:01 |
| Sviox | So.. the port should have been correct | 07:01 |
| stephg | convert one or both of the keys in SailfishOS/vmshare/ssh/private_keys/SailfishOS_Emulator/ | 07:01 |
| stephg | and try again | 07:01 |
| stephg | :) | 07:01 |
| Sviox | ohhh, right.. | 07:01 |
| stephg | (or try connecting to :2222 as root to see that that *does* work) | 07:02 |
| stephg | if it was the root key you were using) | 07:02 |
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| Sviox | Okay, converted the private key from emulator folder and now I was able to log in | 07:03 |
| Sviox | Just entered 'root' as username and it did not ask for password | 07:03 |
| artemma | sailfishos.org has faq page smewhere with ssh command line to copy-paste | 07:04 |
| artemma | worksforme | 07:04 |
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| Sviox | https://sailfishos.org/develop-faq.html - this one right? :) | 07:04 |
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| Sviox | got the log now as well | 07:05 |
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| stephg | Sviox, woop! | 07:06 |
| Sviox | this looks like an interesting line: Apr 17 09:32:39 SailfishEmul lipstick[408]: [W] unknown:20 - qrc:/qml/compositor/GlassBackground.qml:20:5: QML Image: Cannot open: file:image://theme/graphic-wallpaper-application | 07:06 |
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| Sviox | Still want it as email? I think that sums it up.. | 07:07 |
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| Sviox | Oh.. this is weird.. tried to access the emulator with filezilla using nemo user instead of root but it failed. | 07:09 |
| stephg | over sftp? | 07:10 |
| stephg | or some other way? | 07:10 |
| Sviox | Damn. I guess I had changed password for that, it must have beeen lost in the update. | 07:10 |
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| Sviox | what was the default password? | 07:11 |
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| stephg | nemo iirc | 07:11 |
| Sviox | sftp yes | 07:11 |
| stephg | ^that may be lies, I can't remember | 07:11 |
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| Sviox | nope, doesn't accept that.. | 07:11 |
| Sviox | Oh well, I changed it from settings, never mind the default.. | 07:12 |
| kaltsi | Sviox: thanks.. I have the black background and that message in logs too, I think I can try to debug it here locally | 07:12 |
| Sviox | Okay nice. Let me know if I can help | 07:13 |
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| stephg | Sviox, when you say it's black even on the home screen (with the settings and components button)? | 07:13 |
| Sviox | One thing I have a hunch on is that there is a wallpaper.jpg on the old emulator version. I'll check if that exists on the new. | 07:13 |
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| stephg | the homescreen is darker than before because iirc the amience stuff got tweaked sometime around 1.0.2 or 1.0.3 | 07:14 |
| Sviox | Yes - entirely deep black background on home (with clock), the view with cover views, and app grid | 07:14 |
| Sviox | I can take a screenshot if you want | 07:15 |
| stephg | weird | 07:15 |
| stephg | I don't have that | 07:15 |
| Sviox | I'll give you a link on private chat | 07:16 |
| stephg | okies | 07:17 |
| stephg | what I mean is on linux I have the background | 07:17 |
| kaltsi | some people get it and some people won't .. | 07:18 |
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| matrixx | /w 14 | 07:19 |
| matrixx | meh.. | 07:19 |
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| Sviox | At least "wallpaper.jpg" appears to be in place where it used to be (/usr/share/themes/jolla-ambient/meegotouch/images). | 07:22 |
| Sviox | That's the jpg that is supposed to be shown - right? | 07:22 |
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| Sviox | On another subject entirely: I need to create .desktop shorcuts directly into home/app launcher, but those are under root owned directory /usr/share/applications. On Harmattan I solved this by doing a small app with D-Bus interface that was ran as root via aegis manifest. Is there anything more clean solution available for Sailfish? | 07:32 |
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| kaltsi | Sviox: this has something to do with ambienced process not setting some gconf values correctly.. we're debugging it here | 07:39 |
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| Sviox | kaltsi: okay thanks for the info. Is there any publicly visible bug report or similiar about the issue that I could follow-up? | 07:56 |
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| kaltsi | Sviox: no, but if you want you could write it up in together.jolla.com, I can comment there once we figure something out :) | 07:58 |
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| rubdos | Chances are I'm going to order one... even two today... | 08:48 |
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| rubdos | So, lets do it. How does the Jolla compare to lets say a Samsung G S3? | 08:52 |
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| chem|st | rubdos: not samsung not android... | 09:04 |
| rubdos | chem|st, that's good :) | 09:04 |
| rubdos | That's why you'd buy it :P | 09:05 |
| chem|st | equals alot faster | 09:05 |
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| chem|st | rubdos: but for that discussion you might want to chime in #jollamobile | 09:06 |
| rubdos | chem|st, okay, didn't know about that channel | 09:07 |
| rubdos | adding to fav's :P | 09:07 |
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| ouafnico | hello all | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | hello hello | 09:30 |
| ouafnico | have you got any update for this https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/index.php?title=Adaptations/libhybris&oldid=4409 | 09:31 |
| ouafnico | for the 10.0.5.16 | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | ouafnico: which device | 09:32 |
| ouafnico | for nexus 4 :) | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | well, it should be up to date, i believe | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | sec\ | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | voice should be full-green | 09:33 |
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| ouafnico | good that's what I was waiting for :p | 09:33 |
| ouafnico | is it planed to use CM 11 ? based on android 4.4 | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | eventually | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | we wanted to start low, then go high | 09:34 |
| ouafnico | yes of course :) | 09:34 |
| ouafnico | have you got a schedule plan about updates ? | 09:34 |
| ouafnico | (sorry for all the questions :p) | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | we try not to commit ourselves too much to deadlines and focus on quality | 09:34 |
| ouafnico | ok :) | 09:35 |
| ouafnico | thanks | 09:35 |
| stephg | oooh I got an email :) | 09:37 |
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| rydare | beta2, it's happening | 09:42 |
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| Sviox | Hmm, my existing app runs fine on new SDK, but at least one view is not scrollable - any ideas why not? It used to be. | 09:50 |
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| jake9xx | Sviox: on emulator or device? | 09:52 |
| Sviox | emulator | 09:52 |
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| Sviox | Not 100% sure if it's because of the update. Can't be entirely sure but I think I've seen this page scroll before. | 09:53 |
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| Sviox | weird.. it's just a regular page with SilicaFlickable and a long Column within it | 09:56 |
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| merlin1991 | Sviox: you were wondering what todo on an empty list, SilicaListView has a ViewPlaceholder which ofc is not documented on sailfishos.org, so here is a sample: https://github.com/kelvan/sailtoVienna/blob/master/qml/silica/Search.qml#L60 | 10:14 |
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| ballock | Sailfish Archos porting update: | 10:15 |
| ballock | I managed to recompile thee droid software pieces with my CM image and install it to the device | 10:16 |
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| Sviox | merlin1991: thanks! | 10:16 |
| stephg | ballock: cool | 10:16 |
| ballock | I believe I got a little further, in the sense that Wayland is trying to start using the right device/drivers/stack/whatever | 10:17 |
| ballock | unfortunately it's stuck with a black screen now; I've got no network connectivity due to rfkill, I've got no use of hwkeyboard connected to usb, as the TTYs show nothing due to trying to display stuff on screen | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | ballock: just disable connmand | 10:18 |
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| Stskeeps | can probably just remove the .service | 10:18 |
| ballock | is connmand directly updating rfkill status? | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | yeah likely | 10:19 |
| gabriel9|work | is there any component for rating? | 10:19 |
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| gabriel9|work | like stars in harmattan | 10:19 |
| ballock | I was also wondering if it's possible to use the same USB-networking as the devl mode in Jollas | 10:19 |
| ballock | does it require kernel-level config? | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | at least our init-debug stuff sets up usb networking like android does | 10:20 |
| ballock | this device doesn't use fastboot | 10:20 |
| ballock | so I've no benefit of the init-debug | 10:20 |
| Sviox | Btw, is there a way to "freeze" a page for the back animation? I need to do cleanup when backstebbing and it causes the page to be updated with some placeholder/default texts etc. | 10:20 |
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| ballock | I'm using init=/sbin/systemd | 10:20 |
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| ballock | ok, it's writing some constants to /sys/class/android_usb/android0 | 10:22 |
| ballock | is this one device-specific? | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | it's pretty generic for any android device | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | using android gadget | 10:23 |
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| merlin1991 | tbr are you going to sync the things from chum 1.0.4.20 to 1.0.5.16? | 10:24 |
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| kaltsi | Sviox: if you login to emulator as 'nemo' and run the following command, will you get your wallpaper back? | 10:25 |
| kaltsi | dbus-send --session --print-reply --dest=com.jolla.ambienced /com/jolla/ambienced com.jolla.ambienced.setAmbience string:file:///usr/share/themes/jolla-ambient/meegotouch/images/wallpaper.jpg | 10:25 |
| Sviox | Also, to my previous comment about a non-scrollable page. It seems the page does scroll, but the height of it is calculated wrong for some reason (i.e. bottom-most content is clipped off) | 10:25 |
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| ballock | ok, seems I've got CONFIG_USB_G_ANDROID=y in the kernel | 10:26 |
| ballock | so I can just copy the debug stuff to some rc.boot script | 10:26 |
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| Sviox | kaltsi: Yes, background is back | 10:27 |
| Sviox | Thank you | 10:27 |
| ballock | if only I knew where systemd holds /etc/rc.local... | 10:27 |
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| kaltsi | Sviox: ok then I know what's the issue.. that command is run once when the emulator boots up the first time and there's a potential timing issue that if ambienced is not running when that script is run, then the setting is lost.. need to fix this in next emu :) | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | ballock: you could also just boot into /init-debug | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | init=/init-debug | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 10:28 |
| Sviox | Linux starup timing issues - got to love them. (just yesterday tried to make some sense of bugs on an upstart script..) | 10:29 |
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| admiral0 | Sviox: upstart will die soon hopefully | 10:31 |
| Sviox | How come? | 10:32 |
| ballock | Sviox: Ubuntu is switching to systemd? | 10:33 |
| ballock | nobody will be left using upstart | 10:33 |
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| ballock | Sviox: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316 | 10:33 |
| Sviox | Nice | 10:34 |
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| ballock | Stskeeps: I'll try that one | 10:36 |
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| ballock | NoGy_: is it possible to hexedit the kernel to change the command line boot arguments? | 10:37 |
| faenil | wondering why "Clean" in QtCreator triggers rebuild.. | 10:43 |
| tbr | merlin1991: I'll copypac them to testing and then go one by one before promoting to U5 | 10:49 |
| tbr | merlin1991: I'm currently very short on time though, so it might be twoards the end of easter weekend. | 10:49 |
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| cosmo__ | any pro tips or up to date wiki page for installing google play? | 11:03 |
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| cos- | this seems to be quite recent http://www.jollatides.com/2014/04/03/updated-installing-google-play-on-jolla/ | 11:04 |
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| Nicd- | that's newer than what I did so it's probably ok | 11:05 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: excellent timing on the new release, thanks.... thats my easter weekend gone... | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | jussi: i can assure you that it is fully intentional | 11:05 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps is laughing in his lair of evil | 11:05 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: I assumed so :D | 11:05 |
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| kimmoli | Release names should be finnish dishes; "Mämmi" would suit easter | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | if we run out of lakes, i'd like us to move to currency names.. | 11:23 |
| Nicd- | Sailfish OS 1.0.10.1 Doge | 11:24 |
| ballock | I guess *if* is the keyword here | 11:24 |
| cos- | are we going to get an easter update? | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | didn't we just like, release update5 very recently? | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:25 |
| ballock | I got a couple of non-finnish names if you ran out of the Finnish ones | 11:25 |
| cos- | i hope you put an easter egg in it :-) | 11:25 |
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| cos- | are there lakes outside finland? | 11:25 |
| ballock | Is Poland the country where polar bears walk on the streets? | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | ballock: no, it's just pensionists randomly walking into the stret in order to collect life insurance for their children.. | 11:26 |
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| cos- | yes, and they drink zubrowka and shout "kurwa!" | 11:26 |
| sharpneli | ballock: polandbears *badum tsihh* | 11:27 |
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| Stskeeps | +e | 11:27 |
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| kkruglov | hey, does store work in new build for nexus 4? | 11:28 |
| ballock | for the unaware ones, that was an actual question asked by Spice Girls when they were going on the European tour :p | 11:29 |
| jussi | kkruglov: email says no | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | not yet | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | next release hopefully | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | ballock: O_o | 11:29 |
| kkruglov | oh, i'm not so attentive | 11:29 |
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| thehorsestaple | Also, do mp3s work on nexus 4 now? | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | no; it's not so much about working but about codec licenses | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | i'm sure people can find a way though to install it somehow | 11:30 |
| ballock | I guess the same would go for the alien machine? | 11:31 |
| jussi | Stskeeps: curiousity, how different are the builds for N4 and i9300? is there a large difference or just a few specific things? | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | jussi: hw adaptation differs | 11:31 |
| thehorsestaple | Yeah the codecs could probably be released seperately | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | ballock: :nod: | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | well | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | alien won't work outside jolla device | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | in the build that's on it | 11:31 |
| ballock | license verification based on device ID? | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | worse, technical reasons | 11:32 |
| kkruglov | you mean that alien is not free, so that's why it can't be included | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | as in, anything that'd cost jolla anything is not included currently | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | we don't have proper numbers on the volume of people installing it, but this time around we count | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | when you have count, you can budget.. :) | 11:32 |
| ballock | oh, fixing the technical reasons would be too easy | 11:33 |
| ballock | (were the alien machine open source) | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | it's not, sadly | 11:33 |
| thehorsestaple | Can't wait to see if someone releases codecs, the only reason I still use android | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | thehorsestaple: well, our multimedia framework is GStreamer.. | 11:33 |
| sharpneli | Stskeeps: What about codecs that are in the android itself? Hasn't the buyer of the phone already paid license for them? | 11:34 |
| thehorsestaple | Good point | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | sharpneli: that's also a possibility | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | but it's a bit of a grey area legally | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | => costs money to evaluate | 11:34 |
| sharpneli | Sure. I bet the codec licensers would love to double dip | 11:34 |
| cos- | i wonder why no-one has started project like alien dalvik as foss | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | cos-: i keep asking myself the same thing. | 11:36 |
| thehorsestaple | Sorry, but what's the significance of Gstreamer? | 11:36 |
| ballock | I think I saw something on the netz | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | thehorsestaple: as in it's just a pluginable multimedia framework | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | plenty of source codes out there for plugins | 11:36 |
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| ballock | but I don't think it's in any way production ready | 11:36 |
| thehorsestaple | Ah I see | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | i know that a guy from ubuntu started something way back that managed to build dalvik and android userland for glibc | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | but never released source code | 11:37 |
| cos- | i think implementing the dalvik custom classes should be a pretty small job compared to for example wine | 11:38 |
| ballock | wow, if that's something that you can even compare, than it's kind of hopeless | 11:39 |
| ballock | wine is out there... well, *quite* a long time | 11:39 |
| ballock | even a tenth of it is hell lot of work | 11:39 |
| thehorsestaple | Can't gstreamer plugins be released like how ubuntu does it? | 11:43 |
| Mnsu_ | aren't there a lot of those codecs available from openrepos? | 11:44 |
| thehorsestaple | Looking into that right now | 11:45 |
| thehorsestaple | There seems to be 'bad extra codecs' and 'ugly codecs'.. hmm | 11:46 |
| Mnsu_ | those probably contain most of the stuff you ever need | 11:47 |
| jussi | bad were the mp3 ones iirc | 11:47 |
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| thehorsestaple | Thanks, will install and try | 11:48 |
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| carepack | hey ho! | 11:50 |
| carepack | phone calls working now! You have to mark green adaption libhybris :-) It's the most important thing -I know :-) | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | hope you like it | 11:51 |
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| carepack | I'm sure I will! thx stskeeps and all other dev's. Is there any possibility to get musicplayer to work. Can't live without music.... | 11:52 |
| thehorsestaple | Try installing gstreamer plugins from openrepos | 11:55 |
| carepack | In ea version 1 I've tried. But was not able to play. | 11:55 |
| thehorsestaple | Does anyone know the difference between Bad and Ugly plugins? | 11:55 |
| carepack | gsm is green now! yeah! | 11:56 |
| carepack | thehorsestaple: sorry don't know the difference. It's not described somewhere? | 11:56 |
| carepack | take a look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GStreamer | 11:57 |
| thehorsestaple | Wikipedia article on gstreamer makes some sense, but there are mp3 codecs in both bad and ugly, don't know which one is suitable | 11:57 |
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| Stskeeps | https://github.com/pakesson/ParallelDroid , heh, funny old project | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | (re runtime discussion) | 11:58 |
| thehorsestaple | Stskeeps: Looks good | 11:59 |
| carepack | It' getting alive again? | 11:59 |
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| stephg | hmm fingerterm seems to be 'worse' in the new build | 12:09 |
| stephg | anyone else have trouble inputting with it? (or is my n4 being laggy this morning) | 12:10 |
| thehorsestaple | Even the browser is worse | 12:13 |
| stephg | thehorsestaple: the browser? how so? | 12:13 |
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| thehorsestaple_ | Browser isn't responding to touch | 12:16 |
| thehorsestaple_ | Webcat is working fine though | 12:16 |
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| thehorsestaple_ | Strange, even the 'not production release' message has disappeared | 12:18 |
| thehorsestaple_ | Love this update :D | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | thehorsestaple_: did you wipe the data first? | 12:19 |
| stephg | thehorsestaple_: works for me | 12:19 |
| stephg | thehorsestaple_: which image is it? the one with or without the demo stuff? | 12:20 |
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| sublinhado | Hi, how can I be registered to beta test Sailfish OS for Nexus 4? | 12:23 |
| thehorsestaple | sublinhado: PM sledges | 12:23 |
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| Nicd- | message sledges with your email, devices and why you want to be an early adopter | 12:24 |
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| sledges | o/ | 12:24 |
| sublinhado | Thank you for the information | 12:24 |
| merlin1991 | hm I somehow can't ssh into the mersdk, the connection starts, but fails with "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" | 12:25 |
| stephg | merlin1991: that usually means something is not healthy :) | 12:25 |
| stephg | you may want to unhide the sdk vm and get onto the console | 12:25 |
| merlin1991 | It's a clean new install ... | 12:26 |
| merlin1991 | don't know what to look for on the console though | 12:26 |
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| thehorsestaple | Do I need to delete data before flashing sailfish? | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | yes, doesn't anybody read my e-mails.. | 12:27 |
| * Stskeeps goes see if that's in there | 12:27 | |
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| stephg | hey Stskeeps where'd the fun be in reading the emails! | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | okay, it may be a bit unclear | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | if you reflash from scratch 4.2.2, i'm fairly sure it'll clean out user too, if i'm not wrong | 12:28 |
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| merlin1991 | stephg: any hints on where to look, journalctl is fairly empty regarding my ssh attempts | 12:28 |
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| stephg | merlin1991: just booting mine now to have a look | 12:29 |
| thehorsestaple | Sorry, thanks :P | 12:29 |
| Stskeeps | thehorsestaple: no problem | 12:29 |
| thehorsestaple | Stskeeps: What if I flash sailfish over the previous sailfish release? | 12:30 |
| sledges | thehorsestaple: that's fine | 12:30 |
| Guest65040 | please can you all let me know if there is a new version of Jolla for nexus 4? | 12:30 |
| sledges | Guest65040: yes there is :) | 12:31 |
| Guest65040 | if there is, can you please give me the link :) | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | thehorsestaple: that's what i said, you need to wipe the data :) | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | that'll wipe sailfish | 12:31 |
| Nicd- | Guest65040: didn't you get an email? | 12:31 |
| Guest65040 | I loved sailfish is! | 12:31 |
| sledges | Guest65040: sign up for early adopters so you receive future links+rel_notes first and automagically ;) | 12:31 |
| Guest65040 | nope, how do I get an email? | 12:31 |
| sledges | Guest65040: pm me your email | 12:31 |
| thehorsestaple | Stskeeps: That's great :) | 12:31 |
| sledges | Stskeeps: thehorsestaple: sailfish .zip installer wipes previous sailfish installation | 12:32 |
| merlin1991 | stephg: it looks to me like systemd fails to launch sshd, the socket is preloaded and the unit status is active, but when I connect no sshd is in the processlist | 12:32 |
| sledges | (not the whole data though) | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: not always.. | 12:32 |
| thehorsestaple | Tried all gstreamer plugins, but mp3 still doesn't work. Any ideas? | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=51974871&postcount=250 fwiw | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | just point people to there, as well | 12:32 |
| thehorsestaple | Stskeeps: Perfect, that's what I did | 12:32 |
| Guest65040 | my email id is danishdhanshe2@gmail.com | 12:33 |
| thehorsestaple | Guest65040: Should've put that in a private message :D | 12:34 |
| sledges | Guest65040: now your email is exposed in public logs files | 12:34 |
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| Guest65040 | I don't care :p | 12:34 |
| sledges | good :D | 12:35 |
| stephg | merlin1991: random thought | 12:35 |
| stephg | wonder if it didn't generate the server host keys | 12:35 |
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| stephg | do you have /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*? 4 files, an rsa and dsa private key and their public counterparts | 12:36 |
| merlin1991 | yep and they all have timestamps older than today, so shipped with the vm image | 12:36 |
| stephg | merlin1991: hm not sure they'd be shipped with the image | 12:36 |
| stephg | but maybe | 12:37 |
| stephg | anyway you don't have any sshd entries in your journalctl output? | 12:37 |
| merlin1991 | well I installed that today and the host keys have dates of 14.april can't be generated today then | 12:37 |
| merlin1991 | nope | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | so, did anybody try out the new image, any impressions? | 12:39 |
| Stskeeps | (for nexus 4) | 12:40 |
| merlin1991 | hm it seems like the networking layer from virtual box fails massively | 12:40 |
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| kkruglov | is there any way to install downloaded rpm | 12:42 |
| kkruglov | ? | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | rpm -i | 12:42 |
| kkruglov | via terminal | 12:42 |
| kkruglov | ? | 12:42 |
| merlin1991 | because when I use the console, log in as root and do ssh localhost, it happily does a "permission denied (publickey)" | 12:42 |
| thehorsestaple | Stskeeps: any reason why the 'not production release' message has disappeared? | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | devel-su with password in developer mode | 12:42 |
| * merlin1991 reboots the host | 12:42 | |
| Nicd- | or pkcon install-local rpm-file-name | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | thehorsestaple: it's on my images.. what'd you do? | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:42 |
| stephg | merlin1991: probably a sensible idea | 12:42 |
| Nicd- | doesn't need devel-su | 12:42 |
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| thehorsestaple | Stskeeps: No idea :P Installed a bunch of gstreamer plugins | 12:44 |
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| Stskeeps | thehorsestaple: ok, might have picked up alternative homescreen then | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | so it goes | 12:44 |
| thehorsestaple | Stskeeps: This is great. Unfortunately mp3s still don't play :P | 12:44 |
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| Stskeeps | thehorsestaple: for various reasons i can't really help you more than that at this point :) | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | you're in right direction it seems though | 12:45 |
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| thehorsestaple | Stskeeps: No problem :D | 12:45 |
| merlin1991 | hm didn't help | 12:45 |
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| stephg | merlin1991: does your emulator also not work? | 12:47 |
| merlin1991 | didn't even try that yet | 12:47 |
| stephg | i.e. is it something murky in vbox as you suggest? | 12:47 |
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| stephg | (also what's your host running?) | 12:47 |
| thehorsestaple | Stskeeps: youtube audio is working now, interesting | 12:48 |
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| merlin1991 | stephg: the host is debian wheezy and emulator I get as far as the password prompt (forgot to use the proper ssh key) | 12:51 |
| guimendes | is sailfishos' kernel much different of android kernel? | 12:51 |
| stephg | so if you get the password prompt they negotiate successfully | 12:51 |
| merlin1991 | yep emulator works happily | 12:51 |
| stephg | I wonder what's up with your sdk | 12:51 |
| Yaniel | closer to msinlinr linux I suppose? | 12:51 |
| Yaniel | *mainline | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | guimendes: no, same kernel as is on the device; but it's a very different userland system | 12:52 |
| Yaniel | ah | 12:52 |
| guimendes | nice! | 12:52 |
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| guimendes | I was questioning because I want Sailfish running into dualboot | 12:52 |
| guimendes | maybe I can help you guys | 12:53 |
| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/mer-kernel-check/blob/master/mer_verify_kernel_config#L126 | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | we use different kernel options/configs, but not kernels ource | 12:53 |
| lbt | erm wrong project | 12:53 |
| lbt | https://github.com/mer-hybris/mer-kernel-check/blob/master/mer_verify_kernel_config#L126 | 12:53 |
| lbt | guimendes: dual boot would be good, yes | 12:54 |
| lbt | I played with kexec briefly but it failed to boot | 12:54 |
| lbt | (2nd kernel booted and stopped just around usb init time) | 12:55 |
| guimendes | I built my own kernel using tassadar's commits | 12:55 |
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| guimendes | I'm not a kernel dev, but I can take a look on it on weekend | 12:56 |
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| merlin1991 | this is so wtfy, netstat -ltnp has sshd listening on 0.0.0.0:22 (after a systemctl start sshd.service) | 13:01 |
| merlin1991 | a "ssh localhost" on the sdk console comes up to the key negotiation, but when I try todo the ssh -p 2222 on the host nothing happens | 13:01 |
| stephg | port forwarding is messed up? | 13:02 |
| stephg | iptables? | 13:02 |
| merlin1991 | I checked the portforwarding in the virtualbox ui, there is the 2222 -> 22, netstat ... on the host shows me "tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:2222 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 4094/VirtualBox" | 13:03 |
| merlin1991 | iptables on the sdk are empty, and for good measure I just flushed the iptables on the host | 13:04 |
| merlin1991 | still no connection ... | 13:04 |
| kkruglov | this build is quite okay, installed tweetian and 4sale from warehouse | 13:05 |
| kkruglov | everything is smooth, but sometimes phone completely freezes, for 5-6 seconds, or less. | 13:06 |
| kaltsi | merlin1991: what be the problem.. can't connect to mersdk? | 13:06 |
| merlin1991 | kaltsi: yep | 13:06 |
| merlin1991 | emu works sdk doesn't and it's a clean install from the offline installer | 13:06 |
| kaltsi | merlin1991: ok.. you can get in from console.. what network interfaces you see there with ifconfig, can you pastebin? | 13:07 |
| merlin1991 | you know the console has no text selection ;) | 13:07 |
| kaltsi | welll.. does it mount the shared folders? | 13:07 |
| stephg | zypper install gpm lol | 13:07 |
| kaltsi | you can copy the file to your host from there | 13:07 |
| kaltsi | /home/mersdk/share/ should be your home dir | 13:07 |
| merlin1991 | yep the shared folders are mounted | 13:08 |
| kaltsi | btw do you have linux or mac? | 13:08 |
| merlin1991 | debian wheezy | 13:08 |
| kaltsi | ok.. let's see them interfaces :) | 13:08 |
| merlin1991 | there's eth0 with no address, eth1 with 10.220.220.254 | 13:09 |
| kaltsi | ok eth0 with no address is the problem | 13:09 |
| kaltsi | did you run qt creator first before starting mersdk? | 13:09 |
| merlin1991 | I didn't | 13:09 |
| merlin1991 | should that make a difference? | 13:10 |
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| kaltsi | if not.. shut mersdk down, start qt creator and startup mersdk and voila ssh works | 13:10 |
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| kaltsi | when you first time run qtcreator it creates a file: ~/SailfishOS/vmshare/devices.xml and merdsk wants to see that file to configure its eth0 | 13:10 |
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| kaltsi | but then you can close qtcreator.. it just needs to be started once | 13:11 |
| kaltsi | if you don't want to use it that is | 13:11 |
| william-gen | EA2 for N4 published | 13:11 |
| merlin1991 | may I ask what is so qtcreator specific about that ip that the installer can't create said file? | 13:11 |
| kaltsi | merlin1991: stupid design.. I can change that later | 13:12 |
| kaltsi | I can change it so that it falls back to a specific ip if that file is not found | 13:12 |
| merlin1991 | that would be a good idea I guess | 13:12 |
| kaltsi | but does it work for you now? | 13:13 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 13:13 |
| kaltsi | ok | 13:13 |
| william-gen | why so quikly publish EA2 for N4 and leave so many known issue | 13:14 |
| merlin1991 | all I wanted todo is to rsync the arm sb target from the sdk vm to my host system so I can use it together with the mer platformsdk | 13:14 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 13:14 |
| kaltsi | merlin1991: you can also download the target tarball | 13:14 |
| merlin1991 | link? | 13:15 |
| kaltsi | http://releases.sailfishos.org/sdk/latest/targets/ | 13:15 |
| merlin1991 | damn, that would have been way easier ... | 13:15 |
| merlin1991 | but thanks | 13:15 |
| kaltsi | :D | 13:15 |
| guimendes | guys where should I go to subscribe into early adopters for nexus 4? | 13:15 |
| Nicd- | guimendes: pm sledges with your email, devices and why you want to be an ea | 13:16 |
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| Nicd- | lovely to see so many people wanting to try out sailfish :) | 13:16 |
| william-gen | link in xda forum | 13:16 |
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| guimendes | thanks Nicd- | 13:17 |
| rusty88 | and there'll be more as soon as the hardware adaption kit is release :D | 13:17 |
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| Nicd- | yeah, I bet | 13:18 |
| Nicd- | I'm very excited for the future | 13:18 |
| william-gen | Nicd-:why so quickly publish EA2 for N4? | 13:18 |
| Nicd- | william-gen: don't ask me, I'm not a jolla employee | 13:18 |
| william-gen | :) | 13:19 |
| Nicd- | but why not? they published 1.0.5 for jolla devices too | 13:19 |
| Nicd- | I for one like frequent updates | 13:19 |
| Waitee | what does the EA2 stand for? | 13:19 |
| * merlin1991 copy pastes the sb2-init line from the sdk vm | 13:19 | |
| Nicd- | Waitee: early access release 2 I guess | 13:20 |
| Waitee | oh | 13:20 |
| Waitee | right | 13:20 |
| william-gen | Nicd-: too many known issue not rolved | 13:20 |
| Nicd- | william-gen: well, it's early access. it's not meant to work completely | 13:20 |
| Yaniel | or at least not expected to | 13:21 |
| william-gen | in fact,if publish it aftet a week to workaround some known issues,it is better | 13:22 |
| william-gen | after a week | 13:23 |
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| merlin1991 | kaltsi: is there a reason why the sb2 tarballs contain the /dev/null /dev/ptmx ... files? | 13:33 |
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| kaltsi | merlin1991: I really don't now remember if those are required or not.. could be just because no-one has really paid attention | 13:37 |
| kkruglov | is there any possibility of taking screenshots? | 13:37 |
| kkruglov | I know that there is app, but it is available only on jolla harbour | 13:37 |
| stephg | kkruglov: can be done via dbus on the command line | 13:37 |
| kkruglov | can you explain more..? i'm not very good at command line, so ;c | 13:38 |
| stephg | just getting the command for you now | 13:38 |
| kaltsi | merlin1991: the target tarballs contain lots of unnecessary cruft.. it's my intention to get rid of unnecessary packages, but it requires touching a couple of patterns and I haven't had time to do it | 13:38 |
| kkruglov | qdbus "saveScreenshot", "/home/nemo/Pictures.123.png" | 13:39 |
| kkruglov | for example | 13:39 |
| kkruglov | ? | 13:39 |
| kkruglov | it's from lists.sailfishos.org, so I can be wrong :D | 13:40 |
| william-gen | what is the timeline of next EA for N4? | 13:40 |
| stephg | you can try that, don't know if it works, as it's not what I've used before | 13:40 |
| coderus | kkruglov: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7268154/ | 13:41 |
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| stephg | very similar :) | 13:41 |
| kkruglov | wow. thx coderus | 13:41 |
| coderus | kkruglov: install qt5-qttools-qdbus | 13:41 |
| kkruglov | and again | 13:42 |
| kkruglov | :D | 13:42 |
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| stephg | really should put that as a HOWTO on tjc | 13:42 |
| coderus | Mitakuuluu will have share plugin: http://imgur.com/jcoBnK4,JHWfvWY,OG4C0Et | 13:42 |
| stephg | is such a common question | 13:42 |
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| stephg | william-gen: probably after update6 for the jolla | 13:42 |
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| coderus | done: https://together.jolla.com/question/39930/taking-screenshot-with-simple-d-bus-command/ | 13:55 |
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| netzvieh | Kurzzeitmesser sounds like an awful translation oO | 14:00 |
| carepack | lol. yes | 14:01 |
| sledges | william-gen why are you asking that interestingly? | 14:02 |
| sledges | what issues are the most bleeding for you? | 14:03 |
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| sledges | william-gen: also HADK will be published, where community will be able to reproduce the build of image themselves from sources and fix bugs this way | 14:05 |
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| carepack | first impression = great release. more fluidly almost everywhere. | 14:12 |
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| kkruglov | cutespotify is playing music well | 14:47 |
| flotron | i'm having problem to allow "non trusted software" on nexus 4 update 5 | 14:51 |
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| coderus | flotron: is this option really working at all? :D | 14:56 |
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| sledges | flotron: we should be more explicit when saying that "Jolla store infra is not supported" | 15:01 |
| sledges | :) | 15:01 |
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| flotron | ok, because i thought it was possible in update 4. Ok | 15:05 |
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| ballock | I guess it's more of people being too thrilled to see the thing to read the whole email. | 15:09 |
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| ballock | I am reading it, as I know it won't work out-of-the-box for me anyway | 15:09 |
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| ballock | so I am wondering if any of the stuff in it would make it any easier for me. | 15:09 |
| ballock | I guess it pretty much means you would have better feedback if the image was of worse quality. | 15:10 |
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| sledges | :)) | 15:26 |
| tabasko | how I export rpm from qtcreator? :) | 15:27 |
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| tabasko | http://pastebin.com/LARnj5e7 | 15:28 |
| tabasko | got these errors when trying to build, maybe its trying to deploy it right away to device? | 15:28 |
| phaeron | jgfhfhhhhhhhh | 15:28 |
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| kaltsi | tabasko: that does not look healthy | 15:46 |
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| kaltsi | tabasko: how did you install the sdk and is your project somehow "special"? | 15:48 |
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| tabasko | kaltsi: I did manage to add my jolla as device and deploy as rpm :) | 15:58 |
| tabasko | nope, just regular install and after that upgrade. Running on opensuse 13.1 | 15:58 |
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| kaltsi | tabasko: if you create the simple template project, does that work for you? | 16:01 |
| kaltsi | tabasko: and regular install when? .. we just released the new SDK yesterday, if you installed that it should not offer any upgrades | 16:02 |
| kaltsi | if you just want to create RPM packages and not deploy to device then you will need to select the "Deploy by building an RPM package" and then select Deploy project fom the Build Menu.. this will just build the RPM's for you | 16:03 |
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| Stskeeps | additional views on the nexus 4 release? | 17:06 |
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| kkruglov | I think you know what most of people waiting, we need camera and android layer, and it will be ok | 17:20 |
| kkruglov | i'm glad to use it as daily driver, but need camera and onenote | 17:20 |
| kkruglov | ;c | 17:21 |
| kkruglov | it feels very snappy, most of time, so. | 17:21 |
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| lbt | kkruglov: we had to leave *something* fun for the community to do! | 17:33 |
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| locusf | so the SDK issues are now ironed out? | 17:41 |
| locusf | I can safely update? | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | kkruglov: good, how about daily usage? | 17:42 |
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| kkruglov | after one of 4-6 wakes (when I unlock it) interface freezing | 17:43 |
| kkruglov | other times there is no problems at all | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i think there's some oddity issue going on with update5 | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | we see the same on jolla devices in rare circumstances | 17:44 |
| kkruglov | can't say what about battery or something, I can't use it longer than for half of today's | 17:44 |
| kkruglov | i'm student, so i have to do some photos of papers everyday and need notes in university | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yes | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | i used to be quite a onenote user. i had made it such that i handwrote notes on my nokia n810 and had it pdf imported into onenote. | 17:45 |
| Stskeeps | .. set up the pipeline way before onenote for android or anything | 17:45 |
| kkruglov | interesting idea, hm | 17:46 |
| kkruglov | may be i will look into it in future | 17:46 |
| kkruglov | i noticed one interesting thing with sailfish | 17:46 |
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| kkruglov | it's not the same on images/videos as in life, i mean, for example with n9 and harmattan, u see video or photo, and right away you understand that it is very intuitive | 17:47 |
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| kkruglov | with sailfish it's different, on videos it looks unintuitive at some parts, but in use it's great, very very great | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | you're an expert after a day | 17:48 |
| kkruglov | but some things in ui very confusing | 17:48 |
| kkruglov | in apps, the main idea is working perfect | 17:49 |
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| Stskeeps | we're continously improving the ui .. it takes a long time to get it really perfect, but i'm feeling like i'm in pain when i'm back at android or n9 these days :P | 17:49 |
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| kkruglov | xdd | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | you'll soon feel the same. | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:50 |
| kkruglov | please, tell someone who is working on browser, make something with tabs | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | there's tabs there, but not real tabs in that version (AFAIK) | 17:50 |
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| kkruglov | it sounds | 17:52 |
| kkruglov | like a mistery | 17:52 |
| kkruglov | can i ask a question about jolla phone itself? | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 17:52 |
| kkruglov | why 400 euro | 17:52 |
| kkruglov | it's epic price for my country, for example.. | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 17:53 |
| Yaniel | it's an epic phone too :D | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | now that would be sales guys who'd have to explain | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | but | 17:53 |
| kkruglov | i mean, i bought nexus 4 for 220$ | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | first off, there's two classes of price ranges for phones | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | ok, three | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | LTE, 3G, 2G | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | nexus 4 might be a more powerful beast on cpu and screen and gpu and ram | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | but it's not a LTE device (while you can hack it, it's not sold as such) | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | when you sell a LTE device, it goes to a higher price bracket | 17:54 |
| faenil | jolla: you can hack it, but it's also sold as such :D | 17:54 |
| kkruglov | i have only 2g, hate operators in Ukraine (now i'm in Russia, because of crimea, but still only 2g :D ) | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | kkruglov: i have a bit odd question to ask about that situation.. does that in any way change your timezones? | 17:54 |
| kkruglov | ok, seems that 4g is very necessary and important thing in Europe/usa | 17:55 |
| kkruglov | yep, it change, for 1 hour | 17:55 |
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| Stskeeps | okay | 17:55 |
| kkruglov | now i have Moscow time | 17:55 |
| kkruglov | +4 gmt | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | i kinda wonder what tzdata database says about that.. | 17:55 |
| kkruglov | it was like a pain when we changed to summertime (2 hours...) | 17:55 |
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| Stskeeps | also not to mention what MCC and MNC your mobile providers has now.. | 17:57 |
| kkruglov | the most confusing thing in this situations it's banks and other organizations when some of them still thinks that we are Ukraine, and some that we are not. ahf | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | i think i'm going to have to give our time daemon guy grey hair with this | 17:57 |
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| kkruglov | mcc | 17:57 |
| kkruglov | what operators i have in my country? | 17:58 |
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| kkruglov | ok, mnc and mcc it's mobile codes of operators, hm, hard to say, wait a minute. | 18:01 |
| kkruglov | there are MTS UKR, Kievstar and Life ;) | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | MCC is country code, of all things | 18:02 |
| kkruglov | 255 if i'm not mistaken | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so ukraine | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | i'll be honest and say i'm not sure how we'd solve automatic timezone setting in that regard :) | 18:06 |
| kkruglov | i don't thin that there are a lot of people with nexus 4 in crimea.. | 18:07 |
| kkruglov | and of course not so much with jolla too | 18:07 |
| kkruglov | :D | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:08 |
| kkruglov | i think most of people here knows that we use the same time as Moscow, so don't worry. | 18:08 |
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| carepack | sorry, in recovery i can't find the nemo home folder. where have I to navigate? last version I've found in stowaways.. | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | carepack: should be in stowaways | 18:12 |
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| carepack | what???? Something in my view.... ;)? | 18:12 |
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| Stskeeps | if you wiped data or reinstalled sailfish the folder contents is likely gone though | 18:13 |
| otto | anybody here who could process https://build.merproject.org/request/show/655 ? | 18:14 |
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| carepack | stskeeps: stupid carepack :-( thx stskeeps. that's the point. I've done a factory reset | 18:15 |
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| * artemma apparently submitted his app fix to harbour just a little too late and testers will probably get back to office on Tuesday only.. | 18:20 | |
| M4rtinK | regarding timezones - using GeoIP with the maxmind database gives quite good results :) | 18:22 |
| M4rtinK | for anyone wanting to try it out: https://geoip.fedoraproject.org/city | 18:23 |
| M4rtinK | this is what we use to preset the language and timezone in the Fedora installer :) | 18:23 |
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| matrixx | correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume silica does not have a component which I could use for multiselection list, like combobox but I could select multiple items, as is? | 18:31 |
| coderus | 14.04 is here | 18:33 |
| coderus | matrixx: silica doesnt have selection lists at all | 18:33 |
| coderus | you need to implement it yourself if needed | 18:33 |
| matrixx | yeah, already thinking of list of TextSwitches | 18:34 |
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| Acce | artemma: what'd you submit? | 19:04 |
| artemma | Daily Ambience | 19:04 |
| Acce | oh, cool :) | 19:04 |
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| artemma | Acce: still not guaranteed to pass. I fixed my mistake (storing thumbs in wrong cache folder), but there was 2nd complaign in storing files in .cache/ambienced folder | 19:05 |
| artemma | problem is that it's ambienced daemon that creates them there | 19:05 |
| artemma | I just ask daemon to create ambience and don't want to be responsible for his opinion on where to store artifacts :) | 19:06 |
| Acce | mhmm.. well, we'll see | 19:06 |
| artemma | Acce: are you working for jolla BTW? | 19:08 |
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| artemma | there's something I'd like to understand about support processes. I was never able to get a reply from developer-care and would like to understand the reasons. Maybe my letters are not specific enough or too silly to answer or something like this | 19:10 |
| Acce | artemma: nope, researcher at uni :) | 19:11 |
| Acce | I once sent something about my app not showing correctly in the store, and got reply 1 month later | 19:12 |
| Acce | but I really don't know by which sorting method they choose the messages that are answered first.. | 19:13 |
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| sledges | lbt: tbr: 21:14 < otto> anybody here who could process https://build.merproject.org/request/show/655 ? | 19:28 |
| sledges | our first customer ^_^ | 19:28 |
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| tbr | sledges: accepted, now test it :) | 19:31 |
| coderus | matrixx: dont. use BackgroundItem | 19:31 |
| coderus | list of switches is not Sailfish Silica style | 19:31 |
| matrixx | coderus: I though backgrounditem is like a button that I can't leave that in the pressed state | 19:35 |
| matrixx | as I would need in multiselection | 19:35 |
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| matrixx | like it was clickable, and down property is only used for temporary pressed state when "mouse" is down, but I might be wrong | 19:37 |
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| coderus | its programming | 19:52 |
| coderus | you can do whatever you need | 19:53 |
| coderus | i just suggesting better ux case | 19:53 |
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| * artemma would go for switches probably.. | 20:00 | |
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| artemma | matrixx: coderus: Sailfish doesn't have a recommended multiselection mechanism I think, but e.g. in Settings switches with icons are used for multiselection | 20:00 |
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| artemma | in a grid, not in a list. Cloning such a UI would possibly feel nativish | 20:01 |
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| otto | tbr: thanks | 20:12 |
| otto | tbr: I added more build targets to my home project: https://build.merproject.org/project/show?project=home%3Aotto | 20:20 |
| otto | How do I add a build target for the chum submitted version so that there would be a i586 version (that runs on the emulator)? | 20:21 |
| otto | tbr: there is also a target "SailfishOS latest", why are we not using it and instead a customized chum target? See https://build.merproject.org/project/add_repository_from_default_list?project=home%3Aotto | 20:22 |
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| otto | tbr: where in general are people supposed to find more information about how to use OBS channel into SailfishOS repos? There is nothing on google with keywords like "sailfishos chum" or "obs chum". Neither has Mer wiki anything about "chum". | 20:25 |
| otto | tbr: just suggestions.. I'm going to blog about this, so it would be nice to link to more information somewhere | 20:26 |
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| artemma | Anybody used HorizontalScrollDecorator? | 21:17 |
| artemma | I can't figure how to show wide text | 21:17 |
| artemma | wider than screen | 21:17 |
| special | put it in a flickable | 21:17 |
| artemma | that's preformatted BSD license that is to be shown, so I wouldn't like to reformat | 21:18 |
| artemma | special I try, decorator seems to never appear :/ | 21:18 |
| special | make sure contentWidth and contentHeight are set correctly | 21:18 |
| artemma | hmm, maybe contentWidth.. | 21:18 |
| artemma | ah, indeed. right now text is inside column that is anchored to Flickable.. | 21:19 |
| artemma | trying.. | 21:19 |
| artemma | I can flick horizontally now, but can't see decorator | 21:20 |
| special | it should be inside the flickable | 21:20 |
| artemma | ah, notticed it! | 21:20 |
| artemma | thanks | 21:20 |
| special | ..iirc | 21:20 |
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| artemma | trying to make inner Flickable scrolling (for sort'a license showing text area) and fail. SilicaFlickable seems to grab all touch events | 21:42 |
| special | you should avoid putting interactive flickables inside other interactive flickables if at all possible | 21:43 |
| artemma | maybe WebView could work better.. | 21:43 |
| artemma | special: I know and agree, but exactly for long legal texts that nobody is gonna read, it is sort of a proper pattern, isn't it? | 21:44 |
| artemma | like scrollable textareas on the web | 21:44 |
| special | maybe tap to open a page with only the license text, which can be freely scrollable? | 21:45 |
| special | assuming you have other content on your first page | 21:45 |
| artemma | That is an option, I just wanted to make a couple of lines large intro text on top | 21:45 |
| artemma | Something like "my cool app uses nemothumbnailer licensed under BSD that is reproduced below" | 21:46 |
| artemma | yeah, full screen single flickable is the most proper solution indeed.. | 21:46 |
| artemma | I need to put this intro one level up then | 21:46 |
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| m4g0g | good night | 21:53 |
| m4g0g | who send c++ struct to qml? | 21:54 |
| Acce | m4g0g: hmm.. make a function which converts it into QJsonObject | 21:55 |
| m4g0g | I think may be better to use Q_PROPERTY? | 21:55 |
| Acce | yes, but you need the function anyways, since qml does not understand C++ struct as-is | 21:56 |
| Acce | if I understand correctly what you mean | 21:56 |
| m4g0g | Acce: if I has Q_PROPERTY to each field in struct/class I don't need convert it json | 21:57 |
| Acce | ah, so you have a class, which inherits QObject? | 21:57 |
| m4g0g | yes | 21:58 |
| m4g0g | this class has user profile info | 21:58 |
| Acce | ok, then just use Q_PROPERTY normally | 21:58 |
| Acce | yep, just note that while you can use Q_PROPERTY in a QObject inheriting class, you cannot use Q_PROPERTY in a struct | 22:00 |
| artemma | Ah, If I have SilicaFlickable that is really wide with horizontal scrolling, then PageHeader is rendered on the very right of the content area :/ | 22:00 |
| artemma | maybe I need to anchor it better somehow.. | 22:00 |
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