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| m4g0g | Guys, have somebody installed gallery to emulator? | 05:56 |
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| tbr | m4g0g: I don't see "jolla-gallery" available in the emulator repositories | 06:24 |
| m4g0g | browser doesn't available too, but we can install it | 06:25 |
| tbr | the browser is open source, you can build it and then install it, yes | 06:25 |
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| tbr | hmmm is it just my system or is the path to the emulator ssh key now different: ~/SailfishOS/vmshare/ssh/private_keys/1/nemo | 06:38 |
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| coderus | got my Jolla, finally :) | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | good | 07:10 |
| coderus | how to start/stop services in terminal? | 07:11 |
| chriadam | systemctl --user start/stop servicename.service | 07:12 |
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| coderus | ah, sure, thank you :) | 07:16 |
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| m4g0g | waiting for an update this week! | 07:23 |
| flora_ | hi, what is libhybris? and what relation is it between libhybris and android? | 07:23 |
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| Nicd- | flora_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybris_%28software%29 | 07:25 |
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| Stskeeps | flora_: in practice it means we leverage android hw adaptations | 07:29 |
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| flora_ | many thanks for Nicd- and Stskeeps | 07:42 |
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| flora_ | Stskeeps, can libhybris adapt android any HW? | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | flora_: it can adapt a lot of android hw yes | 07:49 |
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| flora_ | Stskeeps, it is wonderful, | 07:53 |
| flora_ | Stskeeps, which android hw can libhybris adapt? including gps, camera, etc.? | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | flora_: jolla phone was done with libhybris | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | so everything useful | 07:55 |
| flora_ | jolla phone can use android hw | 07:57 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it was built on an existing android hw reference | 07:57 |
| flora_ | is it for any android phone? | 07:58 |
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| Stskeeps | flora_: we'll be putting this out for download to existing android devices during the next half year | 07:59 |
| Sailor2212 | test ignore this | 07:59 |
| Nicd- | Sailor2212: don't tell me what to do | 08:00 |
| flora_ | Stskeeps, what you mean is user can open source for android hw in next half year | 08:01 |
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| Stskeeps | flora_: well, more that you can download and port sailfishos to android hw | 08:03 |
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| ljp | Hmmm | 08:11 |
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| ljp | half my testing lately is waiting for a disconnect | 08:15 |
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| flora_ | Stskeeps, I review https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris, some android hw seem not work | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | flora_: yeah but that's nothing to do with libhybris; it's about wiring up things | 08:23 |
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| flora_ | Stskeeps, according to wiki.merproject.org info, some android hw such as nfc, bluetooth, or camera don't work because libhybris do nothing, right/ | 08:29 |
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| Stskeeps | flora_: no, it's more that the bits aren't wired up | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | libhybris works fine with those | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | because jolla device was built with libhybris too | 08:30 |
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| flora_ | Stskeeps, what you mean is libhybris can work fine on jolla device, it doesn't work well on android hw | 08:33 |
| Nicd- | but the jolla device is android hardware afaik | 08:34 |
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| flora_ | Nicd-, I don't understand what you said, what you mean is jolla device runs on android hw? | 08:36 |
| Nicd- | yes, as far as I understand it | 08:37 |
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| tbr | yes, because essentially all you can get if you want to build a "mobile phone" nowadays is "android hardware". which is short for Hardware that comes with a support package to make android run on it reasonably well. | 08:40 |
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| tbr | this is why you see so many OSs leverage this: FirefoxOS, UbuntuTouch, WebOS, ... and SailfishOS | 08:41 |
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| tbr | and the Jolla phone hardware is no exception to this. It also started its life as an "hardware that could run android" | 08:43 |
| flora_ | if we get the imag package download to android phone and camera work fine .is it ? | 08:45 |
| tbr | could you rephrase that question please? | 08:49 |
| flora_ | I mean that flash sailfish image to android device,And the camera can work fine,right? | 08:51 |
| tbr | camera is usually one of the hardest things to get working. This will be per-device work. | 08:53 |
| tbr | If CyanogenMod 10.1 works on the device AND if the camera works on it. Then there is a chance that it will work on Sailfish. But it will require additional work. This work needs to be done by the community. | 08:54 |
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| Anarky | tbr: this additional work should be done on libhybris, or on another part? | 08:59 |
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| tbr | Anarky: I'm not competent to answer this, but suspect it will be "above" libhybris, talking to some bionic binaries through libhybris. Maybe Stskeeps can elaborate on that. | 09:00 |
| Anarky | Ok :) | 09:01 |
| m4g0g | is there any way to test transfer engine plugins without real device? | 09:03 |
| flora_ | Stskeeps, ping | 09:07 |
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| juke__ | is there an event for view becoming visible? | 10:46 |
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| Acce | onVisibleChanged? | 10:47 |
| juke__ | thanks | 10:47 |
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| Acce | if views have visible property, if you mean that when the model is loaded, I think there was either onModelChanged or onModelLoaded | 10:48 |
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| juke__ | i have an attached page in stack, and i'd like that page to do stuff every time it is switched to | 10:49 |
| cos- | last week's update still not available? | 10:49 |
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| inffy_ | what last week update? | 10:50 |
| cos- | 1.0 | 10:50 |
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| inffy_ | there was never gonna be a 1.0 update last week ;) | 10:50 |
| inffy_ | this week.. | 10:50 |
| cos- | i think i read it in some press release or something | 10:51 |
| inffy_ | u read wrong then :P | 10:51 |
| cos- | possible | 10:51 |
| cos- | luckily factory reset fixed the issues and my phone behaved well on last week's trip | 10:51 |
| yulimoto_ | hi folks, is there some android phone on the market, on which can be installed sailfish ? | 10:51 |
| Nicd- | yulimoto_: there's early adopter stuff for the nexus 4, ask sledges if you want to try that, but be prepared to do some work | 10:52 |
| sledges | and sgs3 | 10:53 |
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| Acce | juke__: then use Page status | 10:56 |
| juke__ | is there event for it? | 10:57 |
| Acce | onStatusChanged: {if(status==PageStatus.Active) do your stuff;} | 10:57 |
| juke__ | oh, nice | 10:57 |
| juke__ | thanks! | 10:57 |
| Acce | every property has the onChanged{Name} | 10:57 |
| Acce | even the properties you define by yourself | 10:57 |
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| juke__ | good to know | 11:00 |
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| cos- | "1) Wait till the next SailfishOS update - planned to week 10. It will contain a fix for the phone-turn-off-by-itself issue. " | 11:15 |
| cos- | quote from https://together.jolla.com/question/7144/jolla-randomly-shuts-down/#post-id-20487 | 11:15 |
| Nicd- | planned to | 11:16 |
| * Stskeeps goes look for people to hit with a plank | 11:16 | |
| juke__ | i have a PushUpMenu in SilicaFlickable which can be dragged to infinity, what am i doing wrong? | 11:17 |
| cos- | you shouldn't have let people leave office on friday before release is made :-) | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | cos-: our guys don't leave the office, they're all handcuffed. people who are walking out from our offices are just actors. | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:17 |
| inffy_ | it was already confirmed on twitter for example taht it will released week11 | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | we prefer not to release on time vs releasing something with problems, fwiw | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:18 |
| Acce | "releasing" has more concrete meaning at Jolla | 11:19 |
| cos- | do you have any stats on how large percent of users are suffering from the reboot issues? | 11:19 |
| Acce | it means releasing people from their handcuffs | 11:19 |
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| Acce | juke__: what do you mean? the pushupmenu can be dragged to infinity? | 11:20 |
| Acce | pastebin your code | 11:20 |
| cos- | i think the issue is so serious that it would be worth releasing an emergency fix just to address it.. unless it's only a small portion of users | 11:20 |
| juke__ | Acce, http://pastebin.com/mm337QYE | 11:23 |
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| Acce | juke__: first, I would take the needless width and height settings away | 11:26 |
| juke__ | lines 9 and 10? | 11:26 |
| Acce | anchors.fill: parent already does everything you write for size and anchors after it | 11:26 |
| Acce | yes, 9, 10, and 12-15 | 11:27 |
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| juke__ | ok. do i need to specify those things for the Page element as well? | 11:28 |
| Acce | no, page has implicit setting to fill the screen | 11:28 |
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| juke__ | no i have on ly anchors.fill: parent in SilicaFlickable, but PushUpMenu can still be dragged further than were it stops | 11:29 |
| juke__ | now*, only* | 11:30 |
| Acce | hmm, you could try setting the pullDownMenu and pushUpMenu properties explicitly | 11:30 |
| Acce | to your menu items | 11:30 |
| Acce | s/items/components/ | 11:31 |
| juke__ | so MenuItem.height? | 11:31 |
| Acce | no, pullDownMenu: PullDownMenu { ... }; pushUpMenu: PushUpMenu { ... } | 11:31 |
| Acce | not sure if it helps though | 11:31 |
| Acce | if it doesn't, I suggest you find some app which uses both menus, and see how they do it in their QML files | 11:32 |
| juke__ | i didnt understand your example | 11:32 |
| juke__ | oh right | 11:32 |
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| juke__ | now i got it | 11:33 |
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| edips | How to install python to sailfishOs VM? | 11:56 |
| edips | I dont know its terminal to write "pkcon install python3-base" | 11:56 |
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| stephg | edips, you'll need to SSH into the device | 12:25 |
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| stephg | https://sailfishos.org/develop-faq.html | 12:27 |
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| edips | Thanks | 12:50 |
| edips | But there is no any development headers at http://127.0.0.1:8080/C/targets/SailfishOS-i486-x86 | 12:50 |
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| stephg | headers are usually in -devel packages | 12:53 |
| edips | ok , when I type something, packages appears, so is it like synaptic package manager which installs packages to sailfishos emulator? | 12:53 |
| stephg | the emulator or the build VM? | 12:54 |
| Yaniel | pkcon is like synaptic yes | 12:54 |
| edips | VM | 12:54 |
| edips | Yaniel: I meant http://127.0.0.1:8080/C/targets/SailfishOS-i486-x86 | 12:55 |
| edips | I would like to try pyotherside examples on sailfishOS VM | 12:57 |
| edips | so after installed required packages from Manage Targets, it may be possible | 12:57 |
| edips | when I enter nemo passport from terminal, it says permisson denied | 12:59 |
| edips | I try to run emulator now | 13:00 |
| joonahoi_ | check the url that stephg pasted | 13:02 |
| edips | Permission denied (publickey,password). | 13:02 |
| edips | joonahoi_: sorry which url? | 13:03 |
| joonahoi_ | https://sailfishos.org/develop-faq.html | 13:03 |
| edips | yes I try to apply this, as ssh -p 2223 nemo@localhost | 13:03 |
| joonahoi_ | read it again | 13:03 |
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| edips | thanks :) | 13:04 |
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| edips | 2. command worked | 13:04 |
| joonahoi_ | yeah :) | 13:05 |
| edips | but when this is typed, "Command failed: This tool could not find any available package: could not find python3-base" | 13:05 |
| edips | pkcon install python3-base | 13:05 |
| edips | nemo includes mer-project repositories? | 13:06 |
| edips | I pasted this due to https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Sailfish/Python_Development | 13:07 |
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| edips | now trying to enter as root | 13:09 |
| kaltsi | edips: the sdk repositories have not been updated to 1.0.3.8 level, the wiki might be correct for in-device development | 13:10 |
| edips | did not find as root too "pkcon install python3-base" | 13:10 |
| edips | I see | 13:11 |
| edips | so is it not possible to test pyotherside or python on VM? | 13:11 |
| edips | maybe it can be possible to run it after installing mer-sdk via manage targets | 13:18 |
| * tbr finds it questionable, that the SDK is not being kept in sync. :-/ | 13:21 | |
| Stskeeps | not unquestionable | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | they're two different release paths afaik; i think that's changing though | 13:22 |
| edips | it installed python. but cant find python3, so it needs to be added repositories before instaling it | 13:22 |
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| ChimChim | Hiyo :) | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | m00 | 15:59 |
| ChimChim | Can anyone give me a status update on the N4 port? | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | ChimChim: well we're all waiting for the 4th update of sailfishos | 16:02 |
| Yaniel | closed beta is probably not too far off | 16:02 |
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| ChimChim | Alright awesome guys! Can´t wait :) | 16:04 |
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| flotron | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/index.php?title=Adaptations/libhybris&action=history | 16:22 |
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| Stskeeps | i have to wonder if you guys are subscribted to that page :) | 16:24 |
| flotron | i check that every day :) | 16:25 |
| stephg | hey I'm watching it daily :) | 16:25 |
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| Yaniel | it's my desktop backgr- wait | 16:26 |
| stephg | ha | 16:26 |
| * stephg naptime | 16:27 | |
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| dodgeramres | Hi all, my problem with the volume-sounds is solved. | 18:42 |
| dodgeramres | I can adjust the ringtone directly in the ambience when ist set as favorite. | 18:43 |
| raa70 | Is there a way to force whatsapp to use mobile data instead of wlan | 18:44 |
| raa70 | i mean mitäkuuluu | 18:44 |
| dodgeramres | when the ambiance is not set as favorite, you can use the normal settings. | 18:44 |
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| edips_ | I try to run pyotherside for android. there is a python3.2 for android. So export=Qt path; export=python path and export=pyotherside can make run pyotherside for android? is there anybody run it on android? | 19:02 |
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| John24_ | hey guys | 19:18 |
| John24_ | got a number formating question in qml | 19:18 |
| John24_ | how to add commas ever 3 numbers? | 19:18 |
| John24_ | example number = 123456789 | 19:19 |
| John24_ | I want to output it as 123,456,789 | 19:19 |
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| elenril | does the OS update write a log somewhere? | 19:57 |
| elenril | i've just run the update to 1.0.3.8, but it says i'm still on 1.0.2.5 | 19:58 |
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| Juuba | i've had similar problems with this last update.. had to run it twice | 20:01 |
| mornfall | John24_: you can always write javascript to do that I guess | 20:02 |
| mornfall | John24_: the locale normally dictates how numbers are formatted | 20:02 |
| John24_ | yep i am trying out locale now | 20:02 |
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| elenril | after 3 attempts it still calims to be 1.0.2.5 | 20:08 |
| fprimex | Hi all. Is there a list of phones that will be supported anywhere online? I am in the USA and waiting to get a new phone until I know which will work with Sailfish OS. Looking at Xperias, specifically. | 20:13 |
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| tbr | fprimex: depends what you expect from it | 20:18 |
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| tbr | fprimex: if you're willing to put some own work into it, then phones running CM10.1 are a sensible bet, even better if they have a qualcomm chipset | 20:19 |
| fprimex | tbr: works with AT&T, voice, text, MMS, 3G (4G/HSDPA+ eventually? LTE not really needed) | 20:19 |
| fprimex | tbr: absolutely willing to work on it. I've a pretty good technical background. | 20:20 |
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| tbr | fprimex: right now the jolla as primary device doesn't support MMS. I think that's coming, but you might take that into account. | 20:22 |
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| fprimex | tbr: Good to know. I could probably live without it for a while if it were eventually coming. | 20:23 |
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| tbr | the first devices that are probably on their way are Nexus4 and one of the Samsung S3 models | 20:25 |
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| fprimex | hmm, most of the phones I was looking at appear to need CM11. There's two xperias that are supported on 10.2 | 20:26 |
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| tbr | when it comes to newer CM, I'm not sure how that will work. Stskeeps might know. | 20:27 |
| fprimex | thanks for the info. it looks like I will have a little longer to wait than I hoped. | 20:28 |
| fprimex | pretty sad state of affairs in the USA if you don't want an iOS or Android. I miss my Pre+, and am considering Blackberry. Nothing else seems ready- Sailfish, Firefox, or Ubuntu | 20:30 |
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| fprimex | keeping a very hopeful eye on sailfish. thanks again! | 20:33 |
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| m4g0g | hi | 20:34 |
| m4g0g | guys, who have ideas how implement in sailfish this architecture: profile - friends - friend profile - friend's freiends - friend's friend's profile - (...)? | 20:35 |
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| M4rtinK2 | m4g0g: maybe show the hierarchy in the header | 20:39 |
| M4rtinK2 | with horizontal scrollable are where you would see how you got to a given page | 20:40 |
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| M4rtinK2 | this should also probably replace the stack indicator as it would be rather long otherwise | 20:41 |
| m4g0g | I thought about pages queue, which will be replace last page with needed data | 20:42 |
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| Acce | you could maybe do it without pagestack, using a listview and snapmode: ListView.SnapOneItem and have the delegates full Page size | 20:43 |
| Acce | then load the needed info on the next delegate and change listview index when you need to show the info | 20:44 |
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| m4g0g | Acce: hm, interesting idea | 21:01 |
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| M4rtinK2 | Acce: the Cacheme file picker used in many Harmattan applications used something like this | 21:05 |
| M4rtinK2 | but I think it had multiple listviews so that it could make transitions between them | 21:05 |
| M4rtinK2 | that reminds me - as an official silica file picker is still MIA | 21:06 |
| M4rtinK2 | does anyone know about a nice file picker for Sailfish ? :) | 21:06 |
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| Acce | M4rtinK2: yes, you could have one listview on each page for example, to reduce the depth of the pagestack | 21:10 |
| Acce | just need to make sure that if pulley/pushmenus are used, there aren't nested Flickables / ListViews / similar that accept gestures in same direction | 21:12 |
| M4rtinK2 | or maybe a custom page stack indicator | 21:12 |
| M4rtinK2 | that shows either numbers or something else | 21:12 |
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| john24_ | wanted to ask does debuging work now for sailfishos in qtcreator? | 21:31 |
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| Acce | john24_: nope, not yet, hopefully we get SDK update soon too | 21:49 |
| john24_ | ahh I see, Hopefuly it will come soon | 21:53 |
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| jake9xx | if no more supprises happen, we should get it out in march, a bit after update4 release | 22:21 |
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| edips_ | ok | 22:25 |
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