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| razorr | wassup sailfishOSer? | 00:10 |
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| razorr | I wonder Sailfish Slice components are opensource or not | 00:19 |
| Yaniel | you have a bit bad timing, most if not all people who really know about the details are probably asleep | 00:22 |
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| razorr | maybe some of them woke up after bad dream :) | 00:31 |
| Yaniel | I assume s/Slice/Silica/ | 00:32 |
| razorr | I heard about Silica QML may not be opensource, continuation MeeGo components! | 00:33 |
| razorr | s/Slice/Silica/means? | 00:33 |
| Yaniel | that by "Slice" you actually meant "Silica" | 00:33 |
| Yaniel | a substitution, if you will | 00:33 |
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| razorr | ok | 00:34 |
| Yaniel | (because if you really meant Sailfish Slice then I have no idea what you are talking about) | 00:34 |
| razorr | sorry | 00:34 |
| Yaniel | Silica is not opensource at the moment as far as I know, but Jolla said they are working on that | 00:35 |
| razorr | If Silica is opensource, android developers may begin to commonly use that too | 00:36 |
| razorr | SailfishOS can already run APK | 00:36 |
| Yaniel | have you read for example https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Porting/Harmattan ? | 00:36 |
| razorr | Thanks | 00:36 |
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| razorr | BlackberyOS has many development platforms, they also support android app devs, Qt... | 00:37 |
| razorr | So if sailfishOS can also cares android development with slice components, it can be good. | 00:38 |
| razorr | developers can publish their apps to both OS if so | 00:39 |
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| Yaniel | they can already use generic QML | 00:39 |
| bencoh | generic qml for android ? | 00:40 |
| bencoh | didn't know one could do that | 00:40 |
| Yaniel | I was thinking about BB | 00:40 |
| Yaniel | but if there is Qt for android.. why not | 00:40 |
| bencoh | if :) | 00:41 |
| razorr | I know, But it is not popular yet. one APK can have big size (includes qt5 libs..) but It can be work witth android and sailfishOS if it uses silica components | 00:41 |
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| Yaniel | anyway I don't think Sailfish cares about being compatible with android in that direction | 00:41 |
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| Yaniel | (just me guessing) | 00:41 |
| razorr | sailfishos can follow Blackbery policy :) | 00:41 |
| Yaniel | which is? | 00:42 |
| razorr | Multi dev platforms | 00:42 |
| razorr | java, c++, Qt.. | 00:42 |
| Eztran | Yuk. | 00:42 |
| Yaniel | well there are already C++, QML, Python.... | 00:43 |
| Eztran | Dalvik's generally been presented as a solution for apps which aren't getting a port to Sailfish, rather than a means to say 'look, I ported it, it runs'. | 00:43 |
| Yaniel | +1 | 00:43 |
| razorr | Forexample, if SailfishOS can create a good documentation about how to run PyOtherSide for android and sailfishos, many developers can focus on this project | 00:44 |
| Yaniel | why would Jolla care about PyOtherSide on android? | 00:44 |
| razorr | SO they dont have to buy PyQt license | 00:44 |
| Yaniel | ? | 00:44 |
| razorr | because Python has rich libraries and it can be possible to develop apps with them. also it is opensource | 00:45 |
| Yaniel | I see why they would care about PyOtherSide or some equivalent on Sailfish | 00:45 |
| razorr | pyotherside opensource too | 00:45 |
| Yaniel | but not on android | 00:45 |
| Yaniel | Python already works | 00:45 |
| Yaniel | on sailfish | 00:45 |
| razorr | yeah | 00:45 |
| Yaniel | you can't get python apps to the app store yet but it works | 00:46 |
| razorr | you mean google play store or sailfish store? | 00:46 |
| Yaniel | Jolla | 00:46 |
| Yaniel | Jolla's app store | 00:46 |
| razorr | ok | 00:46 |
| Yaniel | to be honest I probably couldn't care less about android | 00:47 |
| Yaniel | Jolla obviously can (that's why they have drivers. and a bunch of apps at launch) | 00:48 |
| razorr | I explained my opinion for better future of sailfishos | 00:48 |
| Yaniel | I understood you want sailfish APIs to be ported to android? | 00:48 |
| Yaniel | or something like that | 00:49 |
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| razorr | no I want sailfishOs QML components %100 opensource. So android can use those beautiful comonents with QT5 | 00:49 |
| razorr | there is Qt5 for andorid which can active GPS, sensors... and sailfishOS can run android apps, so it would be portable to build one APK to both operating system | 00:51 |
| razorr | just problem can be big size of apk becasue of including qt libs.. | 00:51 |
| Yaniel | the point of the android support is not that you can just build an apk of your app and get it on both systems for free | 00:52 |
| Yaniel | if you actually want to target sailfish you should still create a native package for it | 00:52 |
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| razorr | I may be wrong. I dont know sailfishOS exactly. just tested an emulator | 00:52 |
| Yaniel | besides, Silica would not integrate nicely into existing android user interfaces as-is | 00:53 |
| Eztran | Mmm, was thinking Android's UX is fragmented enough already without more components. | 00:53 |
| Yaniel | it looks awkward already running apps in alien dalvik | 00:53 |
| Yaniel | on a jolla | 00:53 |
| razorr | I see. forexample, MeeGo harmattan components works great with android (pyside-android) | 00:53 |
| razorr | So I though sailfishos silica components also can work with android. | 00:54 |
| Yaniel | I don't want to see the mess of copying that too to hrm "enrich" the android UX | 00:54 |
| Yaniel | in theory they could | 00:54 |
| Eztran | As Android differentiates from AOSP, too, Dalvik is going to have more trouble supporting apps. | 00:55 |
| Yaniel | but would it really look good on android? I am about 97% sure it would not | 00:55 |
| Yaniel | nor would it feel nice | 00:55 |
| razorr | M4rtinK realized to use Meego components on android, maybe he can also realize to build silica components, as you said, it is not flexible for it. | 00:55 |
| Yaniel | it certainly is possible to make Silica run on android | 00:56 |
| Yaniel | to some extent | 00:56 |
| razorr | yes it is hard. | 00:57 |
| Yaniel | but that is a bit like saying "hey elephants are cool and ferraris are cool so let's put a couple of elephants in a ferrari" | 00:57 |
| razorr | so android is not compatible with it because of hardware of device | 00:58 |
| Yaniel | technically possible; but WHY would you do that | 00:58 |
| Yaniel | no, the hardware is actually almost the same | 00:59 |
| bencoh | s/almost// | 00:59 |
| razorr | I told meego components on android.. it works slow with 512mb ram, but it works very good with 1gb ram. I think there may be same issue with silica components. they made this for 1GB ram jolla | 00:59 |
| Yaniel | the problem is not if it would work *technically* | 00:59 |
| razorr | Because Silica components are beautiful :) | 01:00 |
| Yaniel | it would (potentially with some modifications to make it work with the qt version ported to android) | 01:00 |
| Yaniel | but it would end up looking & feeling like shit | 01:00 |
| Yaniel | because it is about the last thing any android UI I have seen is like | 01:01 |
| Yaniel | starting with android's buttons at the bottom of the screen | 01:02 |
| razorr | Well, I am studying to build pyotherside for android. If succeed, I will try to use pyotherside for aandroid using meego components, or trying silica components.. | 01:02 |
| Yaniel | and Silica was designed to be used with jolla's ambience system | 01:02 |
| Yaniel | which does not exist on android | 01:03 |
| razorr | checked silica source, pure QML 2.0 and some c++ | 01:03 |
| razorr | yes | 01:03 |
| Yaniel | yes, you could approximate it by hacking some way to access theme information (if that exists in your image) | 01:03 |
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| Yaniel | where image == android ROM | 01:03 |
| razorr | but problem is appsize may be more than 65 MB after installation :) | 01:04 |
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| Eztran | That's a problem right there. | 01:04 |
| Yaniel | you don't get what I'm saying at all, do you | 01:04 |
| razorr | sorry, what do you mean "where image == android ROM" | 01:04 |
| razorr | ok ok | 01:05 |
| razorr | I got | 01:05 |
| Yaniel | the (heavily customized) version of android you are using | 01:05 |
| razorr | I use custom rom | 01:05 |
| Yaniel | does it have the concept of a "theme"? | 01:06 |
| Yaniel | specifically one that defines highlight etc colors | 01:06 |
| razorr | yes | 01:06 |
| razorr | I dont know well.. | 01:06 |
| Yaniel | do all other android roms have that? | 01:06 |
| razorr | but one of rom uses CM10 | 01:06 |
| Yaniel | the same one even | 01:06 |
| razorr | Yaniel: I mean, integrating QT5 clibs, python 3.3, python build headers in one APK. It is not about my rom | 01:07 |
| razorr | think like running Qt creator for android device | 01:08 |
| Yaniel | if you target android - I don't see how that is Jolla's problem | 01:08 |
| razorr | I tested pyside apk to another devices too | 01:08 |
| Yaniel | if you target SailfishOS.. WTH are you making an apk | 01:08 |
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| razorr | If i target android, sjolla already should run also apk | 01:09 |
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| Yaniel | it may or may not work | 01:09 |
| razorr | I never tested android app, but I saw its properties | 01:09 |
| Yaniel | a lot of apps apparently work | 01:10 |
| Yaniel | but you are not targeting sailfishos then | 01:10 |
| Yaniel | it's like developing your apps only for windows because "meh linux and mac users can run it with wine anyway" | 01:10 |
| razorr | pyside-android may not work but pyotherside-for android ma work (if it is possible to use silica components) | 01:10 |
| Yaniel | which is simply retarded | 01:10 |
| razorr | Yes you are rignt | 01:11 |
| Yaniel | especially if you are writing python | 01:11 |
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| Yaniel | you don't even need to recompile anything (almost) | 01:12 |
| Yaniel | just generate a different package | 01:12 |
| Yaniel | one for android with whatever you need to make it work | 01:12 |
| razorr | nowadays devices begin to produce commonly 1GB ram, so I think it wont be problem for 1GB ram devices | 01:12 |
| Yaniel | and one for sailfish without qt and pyside | 01:12 |
| razorr | and many of them commonly 8GB memory or up. so app size may not important too | 01:13 |
| Eztran | Having resources does not mean you have to use them. | 01:13 |
| Yaniel | or even should | 01:13 |
| razorr | Yaniel:You are right, QT libs already in jolla | 01:14 |
| Yaniel | I don't see why you are so keen on running a virtual machine inside a virtual machine just to be able to run an emulator | 01:14 |
| Yaniel | when you could just have a native app | 01:14 |
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| Eztran | It's a pretty common approach on Android, unfortunately, that 'hardware will make up for it'. | 01:14 |
| razorr | for android app size may be 60mb, for sailfishos is 1-2 MB | 01:14 |
| razorr | Eztran: right | 01:16 |
| razorr | Nice to talk with you all | 01:17 |
| razorr | good night :) | 01:17 |
| Yaniel | 'night | 01:17 |
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| bencoh | that was quite ... strange | 01:18 |
| Yaniel | ...I still don't think he got what I was trying to say | 01:18 |
| Eztran | That was an interesting approach, to say the least. | 01:18 |
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| bencoh | yeah | 01:18 |
| Eztran | Also, if your mobile app is approaching 60MB with no real content, something has gone wrong. IMO, anyway. | 01:18 |
| Yaniel | somewhere, something has gone VERY wrong | 01:18 |
| bencoh | I think we're way past the wrong point ^^ | 01:19 |
| bencoh | anyway, 'night time :) | 01:19 |
| Yaniel | and developing android apps (with python even) to run them on sailfish is IMHO just like I said: | 01:19 |
| Yaniel | "running a virtual machine inside a virtual machine just to be able to run an emulator to run your app" | 01:20 |
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| Eztran | Perfect for a mobile platform. | 01:21 |
| Yaniel | (linux vm on windows so you can run virtualbox on linux to virtualise windows to run a java applet in your browser) | 01:21 |
| Yaniel | when you could just make a desktop app for windows in the first place | 01:21 |
| Yaniel | with reasonable effort | 01:22 |
| Eztran | I dunno, how would the effort compare to making Silica work on Android, though? | 01:22 |
| Yaniel | that I don't know | 01:23 |
| Yaniel | I was thinking about developing apps for that | 01:23 |
| Yaniel | making silica work should be reasonably easy for the most part | 01:24 |
| Yaniel | as in up to the parts that interface with the system | 01:24 |
| Eztran | It'd certainly be interesting, but worthwhile? | 01:24 |
| Yaniel | I doubt it | 01:24 |
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| svxs | hey all :> i've built an RPM package that i'd like to test now, but i can't figure out what to do... does anyone have any tips on how to get the SailfishOS Emulator VM to "run" my RPM (like how Qt creator would do it) by hand? | 01:40 |
| svxs | for example - in Qt Creator you'd click on Run and it would start the VM, build and somehow copy the RPM file over, and then run the executable in the archive... i'd like to do that by hand since i've packaged my RPM myself | 01:42 |
| Yaniel | did you build a i486 or armv7hl rpm? | 01:43 |
| svxs | it's am armv7hl rpm | 01:43 |
| zhxt | I | 01:43 |
| zhxt | I'm afraid that is not possible to run an arm version app on on i586 emulator... | 01:44 |
| svxs | it shouldn't be a bother to make an i486 rpm either... i'm not certain what architecture the VM runs | 01:44 |
| svxs | i'll make an i486 one then :> but what to do with it? | 01:45 |
| zhxt | ssh to VM, then install it, find the launcher , click it. OR run it in the CLI. | 01:46 |
| svxs | the install it part... ahh... what's the command? :p | 01:47 |
| svxs | i've never worked with rpm files before, sadly | 01:48 |
| zhxt | rpm -ivh XXXX.rpm | 01:48 |
| * svxs facepalms | 01:48 | |
| zhxt | or zypper in xxxx.rpm | 01:48 |
| svxs | oh, that makes sense | 01:48 |
| svxs | thanks :> | 01:48 |
| zhxt | you're welcome. | 01:49 |
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| Nicd- | ln-: because some people might not want it to refresh automatically | 06:16 |
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| ln- | Nicd-: what kind of people? | 06:30 |
| Nicd- | well, when I first implemented it I figured it might cause unwanted wakeups for the phone, thus diminishing battery life | 06:33 |
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| Nicd- | now it seems the timers are pushed back to whenever the phone decides to wake up on its own, but I'm not going to refactor it out | 06:33 |
| special | normal timers like QTimer won't wake the phone if it's suspended | 06:34 |
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| Nicd- | but ln-, it's open source and liberally licenced, you're free to make a fork :) | 06:36 |
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| ln- | Nicd-: true, i could, but i still don't see what is the use case where people do not want auto-refresh. | 07:14 |
| Nicd- | to be honest I don't mind extra configurability in such a simple app | 07:16 |
| Nicd- | so it's not worth the effort to remove it | 07:17 |
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| chriadam | m4g0g: most of those apis aren't public yet. that is, you can't use them. | 07:56 |
| chriadam | in many cases, it's because the APIs need more polish | 07:56 |
| chriadam | in some cases it's because they're not stable upstream (eg, QtPIM is a good example of that) | 07:56 |
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| chriadam | the APIs which are available for use are documented. and as more APIs are added to the supported list, they'll also have their documentation made just as good as the Sailfish Silica docs. | 07:56 |
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| m4g0g | chriadam: I wan to create picasa transfer engine pplugin but without docs it is very complex | 08:00 |
| chriadam | m4g0g: the APIs which you need to do that, may not be opened up yet. | 08:01 |
| chriadam | but actually, there are some docs for that: https://github.com/nemomobile/transfer-engine/tree/master/doc/src | 08:01 |
| chriadam | that one's actually quite well documented. eg https://github.com/nemomobile/transfer-engine/blob/master/lib/mediatransferinterface.cpp has good documentation of what's required for subclasses etc. | 08:03 |
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| m4g0g | chriadam: How I can test this via emulator? I mean transfer engine | 09:48 |
| chriadam | no idea | 09:48 |
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| chriadam | probably better to try on a real device | 09:48 |
| m4g0g | I think I shold install gallery to emulator | 09:51 |
| m4g0g | should* | 09:51 |
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| leszek | hi | 13:36 |
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| Armadillo | hi | 13:53 |
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| Andy80 | so quiet the channel.... I hope Sailors are busy releasing the 1.0.4 :D | 13:59 |
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| dodgeramres | hi all | 15:07 |
| dodgeramres | i have a Problem with my Jollaphone | 15:08 |
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| dodgeramres | I can't adjust my volumetone | 15:08 |
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| dodgeramres | the tone is always in the same loudness | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | speaker or earpiece | 15:10 |
| dodgeramres | have everyone a idea? | 15:10 |
| dodgeramres | it is the normal speaker | 15:11 |
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| dodgeramres | when I listen music its ok | 15:11 |
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| dodgeramres | I have all regulators in the settings down | 15:18 |
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| dodgeramres | actually I shouldn't hear the rintone any more | 15:25 |
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| dodgeramres | but when I slide with pullymenu of silenc sounds its ok | 15:28 |
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| dodgeramres | it is then quiet | 15:30 |
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| Nightmare__ | the volume set by the hardware keys is only for multimedia(videoplayer for example), not ringtones | 15:37 |
| leszek | ringtone volume changes can be done in the settings | 15:39 |
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| jtjj222 | Sorry to appear so ignorant, but is there any news on Sailfish running on the nexus 4? I absolutely adore Sailfish, and I would love to know if there is a way I can help test it | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | send sledges a /msg | 16:03 |
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| jtjj222 | thanks! | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | jtjj222: we are signing up early adaptors and willb e rolling out in phases | 16:04 |
| jtjj222 | Great! How do I sign up? | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | sending sledges a message.. | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:05 |
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| jtjj222 | Ok, thanks | 16:05 |
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| dodgeramres | yes I understand, but this doesn't work any more | 16:06 |
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| Stskeeps | dodgeramres: consider sending care@ a mail | 16:07 |
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| dodgeramres | sorry for my bad english... | 16:09 |
| dodgeramres | yes it is a new Jolla Phone | 16:09 |
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| situ | Is there any equivalent of JSON.stringify(js_object) for C++ model in QML ? | 16:21 |
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| sardini | var = var.toString(); ? | 16:24 |
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| AL13N_jolla_ | i've had some ui hangs lately | 17:50 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | while trying to call or something | 17:51 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | in the end, i had to reboot | 17:52 |
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| Nokius | Hi guys | 20:05 |
| Nokius | Is there someone who like to part this Password generator from harmanttan to SailfishOS? | 20:05 |
| Nokius | —> http://code.google.com/p/pwdgen/source/browse/ | 20:05 |
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| Nokius | if some one like to port could help with icon (icon is ready) | 20:31 |
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| slate | isnt there a password generator out already for sailfish? I thought I saw one roaming around. | 20:35 |
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| Nokius | @slate not like this there is none which make from username and master pw and … but not just a simple PWGen :( | 20:55 |
| SpeedEvil | strings /dev/random|dd bs=8 count=1 | 20:56 |
| Nokius | :D | 20:56 |
| Nokius | I know | 20:56 |
| Nokius | IIRC the app had an session history used it of new PW add work | 20:57 |
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| Nokius | What i saw in the SDK it looks like tht the Poblem it with meegotouch/MApplication in the main.cpp [but i'm not a dev :( ] not sure if its only a bit of Silica magic ;) | 21:07 |
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| pp_ | something like: def password(site, master): passwd = base64.b64encode(hashlib.sha512("%s:%s"%(site, master)).digest()).replace("+","").replace("/","")[0:16] setclipboard(passwd) | 21:19 |
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| pp_ | localhost:~ pp$ python pwman.py google | 21:20 |
| pp_ | Password: | 21:20 |
| pp_ | -> Z0uIR1pioqN68bZh :D (not my google password :-) ) | 21:20 |
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| unheeding | wa | 21:58 |
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