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| N-Mi | struggling to make a first pyOtherSide app on Sailfish SDK, but I'm a newbie with qtcreator. I added a Python file in my project, but I can't find what file I need to modify to install it in target | 00:24 |
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| Ashley27 | You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 04:05 |
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| Natalia21 | Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 06:04 |
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| AL13N | how do i get a qmlscene argument in qml ? | 08:00 |
| AL13N | google tells me about a ubuntu Arguments type | 08:00 |
| AL13N | but that's obviously not it | 08:00 |
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| Agatha20 | You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 08:04 |
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| coderus | AL13N: Qt.application.arguments | 08:23 |
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| Stskeeps | coderus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEsNZdcw_cU | 09:17 |
| mikma | what's "adopter" | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_adopter | 09:18 |
| mikma | you guys have interesting race against ubuntu mobile at the moment | 09:20 |
| mikma | let's see who will win | 09:20 |
| tbr | mikma: race? one of both has a product shipping in numbers, the other has announcements | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | well, last year they showed a tech demo which was practically qt5 on top of surfaceflinger and a bunch of cardboard apps (ie, looked like they launched, but was actually just screenshots/mockups) | 09:21 |
| mikma | tbr: yes, but the race is on with the os', not the products. | 09:21 |
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| katy24 | Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 10:04 |
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| sledges | mikma: but with product out in the wild, for which that OS was tailored (hence best performing), is much easier to get feedback and improve on, from community | 10:12 |
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| plfiorini | morning | 10:48 |
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| sledges | o/ | 11:00 |
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| tbr | ~o~ | 11:01 |
| sledges | eee macarena - mwc2014 :)) | 11:01 |
| tbr | :> | 11:02 |
| * tbr ponders what's going to be the summer dance hit this year | 11:02 | |
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| kimmoli | quick help needed. building fails with error QQuickItem - not found (#include <QQuickItem>) what is missing? | 11:05 |
| m4g0g | how to send ussd request via c++ or qml? | 11:06 |
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| jpnurmi | kimmoli: try adding "QT += quick" in the .pro file | 11:10 |
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| virtuald | ><))).-)))'> | 11:13 |
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| kimmoli | there is ... will recheck (completely different results on win / ubuntu) | 11:21 |
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| jpnurmi | kimmoli: also pkgconfig(Qt5Quick) in the .spec file's "BuildRequires" section? | 11:24 |
| jpnurmi | or something similar in the .yaml file if you're using that | 11:25 |
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| Andy80 | morning guys | 11:29 |
| Andy80 | anyone else is having this problem https://together.jolla.com/question/29809/bug-new-contacts-available-on-google-are-not-synced-to-jolla/ ? | 11:29 |
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| wickwire | Hi guys, I'm trying to work with the TOH SDK, I'm trying to create new ambiances | 11:31 |
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| wickwire | but just building the template, I'm getting build errors | 11:31 |
| wickwire | http://hastebin.com/kefebedeji.vhdl | 11:31 |
| wickwire | it seems that the qmake step doesn't work properly | 11:31 |
| wickwire | and consequently the rpm build fails | 11:32 |
| wickwire | I've seen this working on windows, I'm actually using linux | 11:32 |
| Venemo | Andy80: either "wait for it", or re-login in Settings -> accounts | 11:32 |
| Andy80 | Venemo, I've tried both... I've waited one whole day, I've rebooted the device at least 3 or 4 times and I've deactivated/reactivated the account | 11:33 |
| Andy80 | it simply doesn't work :( | 11:33 |
| Venemo | wickwire: why do you run qmake? | 11:33 |
| Andy80 | I've tried to create also other new contacts on Google Contacts and none was synced | 11:33 |
| Venemo | Andy80: it usually worksforme, but it takes a couple of days. I'm not sure the trouble is with jolla, even | 11:34 |
| wickwire | Venemo: I'm guessing it does that based on the stock spec file included in the template with the TOH SDK | 11:34 |
| coderus | m4g0g: no public apis for ussd | 11:34 |
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| Venemo | Andy80: but I upvoted your question nevertheless | 11:34 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: looks promising :) | 11:34 |
| m4g0g | coderus: (( | 11:34 |
| tbr | hmmm maybe you could talk to ofono over dbus | 11:34 |
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| wickwire | I was assuming it would work since it is the default template shipped with the SDK | 11:35 |
| Venemo | wickwire: qmake won't do anything unless there is a .pro (Qt project file) in the folder you run it in | 11:35 |
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| Venemo | wickwire: purpose of qmake is to create a makefile from the project so that make will know how to build it | 11:35 |
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| wickwire | Venemo: there is a pro | 11:35 |
| coderus | tbr: sure, all other ways like telepathy and ofono need more investigation :) | 11:35 |
| Andy80 | Venemo, wtf... I've jus restarted again my phone and now it worked -.- I've all contacts back | 11:35 |
| Venemo | Andy80: it may be google's fault for all I know... but I agree it's very annoying | 11:36 |
| wickwire | and somehow, files are built | 11:36 |
| Venemo | Andy80: to be honest, I'd very much prefer to sync with something else other than google, like owncloud or something | 11:36 |
| wickwire | on windows, I managed to confirm that the qml file for the ambiance is converted to a qm | 11:36 |
| wickwire | a binary | 11:36 |
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| wickwire | and also, it seems that a template.ts file is expecte | 11:37 |
| wickwire | expected | 11:37 |
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| coderus | wickwire: rcc converted to qm | 11:37 |
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| wickwire | I tried using a yaml file from a traditional project, with the ambiance | 11:37 |
| m4g0g | coderus: I want to create current balance checker :-( | 11:37 |
| coderus | sorry, ts converted to qm, not qml :) | 11:38 |
| coderus | m4g0g: reasonable :) | 11:38 |
| coderus | you need to investigate it yourself | 11:38 |
| wickwire | hoping it would generate a proper spec file | 11:38 |
| wickwire | I'm basically using the template spec file that ships with it | 11:38 |
| wickwire | my fear is that somehow, under recent updates to the mer sdk, the shipped spec is no longer valid | 11:39 |
| wickwire | if I could either confirm or dismiss that, | 11:39 |
| wickwire | it would help | 11:39 |
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| Andy80 | Venemo, surely there are problems.... I've deleted one test contact on Google and it disappeared from Jolla (and this is correct), but I've renamed another one and it disappeared too from Jolla | 11:40 |
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| Morpog_PC | kimmoli, you there? | 11:41 |
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| kimmoli_jolla | Morpog_PC: jes | 11:43 |
| Morpog_PC | I found your and coderus discussion on ML about accessing theme colors inside JS with pragma library | 11:44 |
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| Morpog_PC | does that mean tehre is no solution for this, as I see you didn't use theme colors in heebo after all | 11:44 |
| kimmoli_jolla | i dont recall the outcome | 11:45 |
| Morpog_PC | having the same issue atm with tweetian :) | 11:45 |
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| Morpog_PC | kimmoli, I checked your code on github, you didn't use theme colors in the end | 11:45 |
| kimmoli_jolla | yes ok | 11:45 |
| Morpog_PC | you didn't ivestigated further I guess :D | 11:46 |
| Andy80 | Venemo, Google may have problems, but for example the same changes reflected imediatly on my Lumia and not at all on Jolla | 11:46 |
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| kimmoli_jolla | i didnt. used fixed ones where couldnt use themes | 11:47 |
| Venemo | Andy80: I was just saying. the thing is, it's entirely possible that jolla just screwed it up | 11:47 |
| Morpog_PC | damn :D | 11:47 |
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| kimmoli_jolla | or did i oveeride them on qml? | 11:47 |
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| Morpog_PC | doesn't seem so | 11:49 |
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| kimmoli_jolla | ok (waiting pizza, no access to code) | 11:50 |
| Morpog_PC | :) | 11:50 |
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| kimmoli_jolla | was there any help for my qquickitem issue? this happens on linux. on windows, same project says qmake fail, error in lune 34 of some tmp file. (had same wiht communi-sailfish. now making qmlplugin for keyboard | 11:52 |
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| Andy80 | is there any availability date for the new stable fw? | 11:56 |
| tbr | early march | 11:56 |
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| tbr | according to TJC | 11:56 |
| Andy80 | I'm guessing it will be released in these days, for MWC, but there aren't any dates ... | 11:56 |
| Andy80 | ah ok | 11:56 |
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| Andy80 | another bug I've noticed... in this moment for example all my contacts appear offline | 12:00 |
| Andy80 | even if they are online | 12:00 |
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| coderus | Morpog_PC: no problem in using qml imports in js | 12:01 |
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| Sandy28 | Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 12:05 |
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| ericcc | oh my god bot | 12:12 |
| tbr | yeah, it's a general problem on freenode | 12:13 |
| ericcc | some channel had bot | 12:15 |
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| kimmoli_jolla | BeholdMyGlory: help me.... please? | 12:21 |
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| BeholdMyGlory | kimmoli_jolla: Why me specifically? | 12:24 |
| kimmoli_jolla | qmlplugin for maliit keyboard.... | 12:24 |
| BeholdMyGlory | Oh wait, you're that guy working on the software side of the QWERTY other half? | 12:25 |
| kimmoli_jolla | yes | 12:25 |
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| BeholdMyGlory | What do you need help with? | 12:25 |
| kimmoli_jolla | basics. i started with your libanthy qml plugin, but sdk claims qquickitem -file not found... | 12:26 |
| BeholdMyGlory | What are you trying to do specifically? Are you trying to get the Japanese input method working, or do you just need to know how input handlers work in general? | 12:27 |
| kimmoli_jolla | generally. before i tested using uinput, got something but didnt like to create new uinput for every char | 12:28 |
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| BeholdMyGlory | Ah, all right | 12:29 |
| kimmoli_jolla | i had to start from somewhere and your plugib seemed reasonable point.. | 12:29 |
| BeholdMyGlory | Well, the very simplest input handler you can find in /usr/share/maliit/plugins/com/jolla/InputHandler.qml | 12:30 |
| BeholdMyGlory | Probably the only interesting parts there is the com.meego.maliitquick import, and the MInputMethodQuick methods | 12:31 |
| kimmoli_jolla | that i know. i need some way to pass keypresses from my daemon, e.g. over dbus. | 12:31 |
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| cyb | hi | 12:32 |
| cyb | someone here? | 12:32 |
| Morpog_PC | well coderus, as soon as I import Sailfish.Silica.theme I get this: | 12:32 |
| Morpog_PC | [W] unknown:20 - qrc:/qml/tweetian-harmattan/Utils/Parser.js:20: SyntaxError: Unexpected token . | 12:32 |
| Venemo | cyb: yes | 12:34 |
| cyb | short question: how can I edit about:config for the sailfish browser? | 12:34 |
| Morpog_PC | you could edit prefs.js in /home/nemo/.mozilla/mozembed/ | 12:36 |
| cyb | thanks :) | 12:36 |
| BeholdMyGlory | kimmoli_jolla: Take a look at this: https://github.com/maliit/framework/blob/master/dbus_interfaces/minputmethodcontext1interface.xml | 12:36 |
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| kimmoli_jolla | ok | 12:37 |
| kimmoli_jolla | context , i was lookin the server | 12:37 |
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| kimmoli_jolla | BeholdMyGlory: i assume keyEvent is interesting one? | 12:46 |
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| BeholdMyGlory | No, you'll probably want commitString | 12:47 |
| BeholdMyGlory | updatePreedit is interesting as well, for more advanced input methods | 12:47 |
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| Zincoshine | Hmmm, I'm a nemo mobile and sailfish enthusiast. I've heard that there is sailfish coming out for the nexus 4.... I have a nexus 4. I'd sure like to try out this on my phone. | 12:51 |
| tbr | AFAIU, 'very soon now'™ | 12:51 |
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| Zincoshine | is there any way I could try it out? | 12:53 |
| sledges | Zincoshine: if you would like to be an early adopter, pm me your name and email, as well as what you hope to do with it | 12:53 |
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| sledges | Zincoshine: thanks for the info :) | 13:01 |
| Sail0r | I think my colleague should write to you, too. | 13:04 |
| sledges | very welcome Sail0r :) | 13:04 |
| Sail0r | he's waiting for sailfishos on his nexus since he saw my jolla *g* | 13:05 |
| slate | I was just browsing for 2nd hand nexus.. | 13:05 |
| slate | better hw. :) | 13:05 |
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| kimmoli | BeholdMyGlory: ok, that seems to be it. any more tips? do i need to connectInputMethodServer, haven't yet found suitable stuff from dbus itself | 13:16 |
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| BeholdMyGlory | kimmoli: No idea. I can't find a relevant DBus service running on the Jolla either, and I don't know how to get it running | 13:22 |
| BeholdMyGlory | You might get more out of studying the QML plugin for Maliit: https://github.com/maliit/framework/tree/master/src/quick | 13:22 |
| BeholdMyGlory | Looking at how e.g. sendCommit is implemented | 13:23 |
| BeholdMyGlory | Alternatively, the easiest solution might just be loading a QML file directly in the daemon | 13:23 |
| BeholdMyGlory | That in turn imports com.meego.maliitquick | 13:23 |
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| BeholdMyGlory | Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, you *will* need to use sendKey/keyEvent to send e.g. a backspace | 13:26 |
| kimmoli | i learned that from arrow-keys qml layout | 13:27 |
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| kimmoli | my (earlier) plan was to make the qml-plugin to listen my dbus signal from daemon, and pass it to the inputhandler qml (or something like that) | 13:28 |
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| coderus | Morpog_PC: read later messages | 13:36 |
| BeholdMyGlory | kimmoli: You could always try loading e.g. /usr/share/maliit/plugins/com/jolla/InputHandler.qml using a QQmlComponent directly from the daemon and see what happens if you call the _handleKeyClick method | 13:36 |
| BeholdMyGlory | Is the code for the daemon available on e.g. GitHub by the way? | 13:37 |
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| kimmoli | not at the momeny | 13:42 |
| BeholdMyGlory | Are you planning on releasing the code? | 13:43 |
| kimmoli | i am | 13:44 |
| BeholdMyGlory | Nice | 13:44 |
| kimmoli | meanwhile i did locate possible way to change vkb layout viw org.gnome.GConf.Database /org/gnome/GConf/Database/0 org.gnome.GConf.Database.Set | 13:44 |
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| kimmoli | i just want to get it into some level before pushing there., i should have hw proto keyboard next week,. but plan was to have something to show on MWC | 13:46 |
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| kimmoli | but i will now retry with the uinput stuff. i already got something to screen with that... | 13:48 |
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| schabi_ | Looking for TH | 13:58 |
| schabi_ | the files for sailfish os on the nexus 4 | 13:58 |
| sledges | schabi_: if you would like to be an early adopter, pm me your name and email, as well as what you hope to do with it | 13:59 |
| schabi_ | is there a flashable version available yet?? | 14:00 |
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| Zoe19 | Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 14:05 |
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| schabi__ | sry for the stupid question but how do I send you a personal message? | 14:06 |
| sledges | type /msg sledges | 14:06 |
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| sledges | /msg sledges <message> | 14:06 |
| sledges | or open conv window with /q sledges | 14:06 |
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| * tbr wonders if it's too early to tell people about: | 14:07 | |
| tbr | /quit playing games with my heart | 14:07 |
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| Venemo | why would you want to learn python? | 14:36 |
| Yaniel | is there something like qmlviewer on sailfish? | 14:38 |
| Venemo | yes there is | 14:39 |
| Venemo | the QtQuick2 version is called qmlscene | 14:39 |
| Yaniel | great | 14:39 |
| Yaniel | then I can play around without fiddling with c++ code | 14:39 |
| Venemo | https://harbour.jolla.com/faq | 14:40 |
| Venemo | the sailfish version is called sailfish-qml but I'm not sure what it adds to qmlscene | 14:40 |
| Yaniel | sailfishapp maybe? | 14:40 |
| Venemo | yes, or similar bloat | 14:41 |
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| Yaniel | behold, the bloating has started | 14:41 |
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| Yaniel | jeez, maybe I should get a new nick, this one is too often mistaken for a realname | 14:42 |
| kimmoli | Venemo: fast way to test dbus stuff, then i turn it into c++ with also limited skills | 14:42 |
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| Venemo | Yaniel: I didn't mistake it for a real name, why? | 14:43 |
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| Venemo | kimmoli: ah, ok | 14:43 |
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| Yaniel | well it used to be somewhat google-unique but then brazil found facebook and it is apparently a relatively common first name there | 14:44 |
| Venemo | ah | 14:44 |
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| Morpog_PC | wtf you guys are not using real names on here? :( I always thought were your real names! | 15:11 |
| * Morpog_PC giggles :D | 15:11 | |
| Yaniel | omg someone on the internet lied | 15:12 |
| kimmoli | Here is one stupid video..: www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdEEAzdzmcs i got something working ´, fyi BeholdMyGlory | 15:19 |
| Yaniel | what sorcery is this | 15:21 |
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| Venemo | Morpog_PC: actually you can /whois to find out my real name | 15:22 |
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| Venemo | kimmoli: controlling Maliit over SSH? | 15:23 |
| Morpog_PC | or by his TOHKBD | 15:24 |
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| kimmoli | simulated tohkbd | 15:46 |
| kimmoli | but the real proto seems to also be able to write on screen (not in android though) | 15:49 |
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| Amy22 | Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 16:05 |
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| Sail0r | sledges: is the sailfishos image for nexus4 fully functional? | 16:23 |
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| sledges | Sail0r: would it be called "early adopters" then? ;) | 16:29 |
| Sail0r | dunno how it is called ;) | 16:30 |
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| sledges | i'll rephrase: we would't be calling early adopters if it was fully functional, we'd just release it ;) | 16:34 |
| tbr | sledges: I'm sure it is, for values of "fully functional". *giggles* | 16:34 |
| Sail0r | ah :) | 16:34 |
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| Sail0r | are there other early adopter images? xD | 16:35 |
| Morpog_PC | i know of at least 1 more | 16:36 |
| sledges | :D | 16:36 |
| Sail0r | nexus7 ? | 16:36 |
| sledges | jola | 16:36 |
| Sail0r | :P | 16:36 |
| sledges | Jolla phone :D | 16:36 |
| Morpog_PC | ahahaha :D | 16:37 |
| Sail0r | but it's better for my finances if there is no image for nexus7 ^^ | 16:37 |
| Morpog_PC | why? | 16:37 |
| Sail0r | that would be the only reason to buy one | 16:37 |
| fenix_fx_ | what about nexus 4?) | 16:37 |
| Morpog_PC | my n7 is just lying around and waiting for it :D | 16:37 |
| sledges | a package for early adopters is not about images or set of phones, it depends on what you want | 16:38 |
| sledges | some people want to port to new devices | 16:38 |
| sledges | etc | 16:38 |
| sledges | another clue: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 16:38 |
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| Morpog_PC | now that is a nice clue :D | 16:39 |
| Sail0r | :) | 16:39 |
| Morpog_PC | hopefully that chart is as outdates as the nemomobile ones :D | 16:40 |
| sledges | Morpog_PC: yes | 16:40 |
| sledges | because nemomobile is up-to-date :DDD | 16:40 |
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| Morpog_PC | hehe | 16:40 |
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| sledges | libhybris enables re-user of android drivers, so most of red boxes simply mean - "we haven't had time to spend a day on this one" :) | 16:43 |
| Sail0r | I try to get my boss buy some jolla phones for work | 16:43 |
| sledges | *re-use | 16:43 |
| Sail0r | I cannot work with the android phones anymore | 16:43 |
| Sail0r | always try to wake it with double tap | 16:43 |
| sledges | Sail0r: nice work you do then :) | 16:43 |
| Morpog_PC | you need to get faenil to finnish studies, he is the porting king on steroids :D | 16:44 |
| sledges | that's where community steps in | 16:44 |
| Morpog_PC | Sail0r, there are some LG phones now with that feature. They even say they invented it, lol | 16:45 |
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| Morpog_PC | sledges, well hopefully we have some bigger community around when you start to release some stuff to public | 16:46 |
| Sail0r | lol Morpog_PC | 16:46 |
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| sledges | Morpog_PC: sure, already got a few adopters just over past couple of hours | 16:46 |
| Morpog_PC | Sail0r, http://www.fonearena.com/blog/92096/lg-l-series-ii-devices-to-get-knock-double-tap-to-unlock-feature-starting-january-2014.html | 16:47 |
| Morpog_PC | Knock is distinctively an LG UX and a great example of what happens when you marry the latest in mobile technology with consumer-centric insights. No one ever thought that a power button needed to be improved until our engineers wondered why they couldn’t turn the entire screen into a power button. | 16:47 |
| Sail0r | I am also going to invent something totally new it's for making phone calls while you are on the road and i call it hmmm how to call it ^^ | 16:48 |
| sledges | roadcall | 16:49 |
| Sail0r | sounds good ;) | 16:49 |
| Morpog_PC | lets call the PR department we invented something revolutionary! | 16:50 |
| Yaniel | hmm wasn't Nokia classified as a patent troll just a while ago? | 16:51 |
| Sail0r | next time lg invents a gesture driven phone | 16:52 |
| sledges | did they join rockstar? | 16:52 |
| Yaniel | I recall they might have some patents loosely related to tapping the screen to unlock it | 16:52 |
| Yaniel | *doubletapping | 16:52 |
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| zetaz | Has anyone considered porting sailfish or nemo to an Eink display based reader ? I have a Kobo here with debian, and I must say it is a lot better than what I expected. But for sailfish, with all its graphical effects, it would probably not be that good on a slow display like that ? | 16:57 |
| Yaniel | likely not as-is | 16:59 |
| sledges | zetaz: twobob has tried on kindles, but yes, trimmed down versions | 16:59 |
| sledges | of mer/nemo | 16:59 |
| Yaniel | but you could do some tweaks end get something really cool otu of it | 16:59 |
| sledges | zetaz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBbl6egyPsQ | 17:00 |
| sledges | this is hillarious :) | 17:01 |
| kimmoli | but that is fast for eink | 17:03 |
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| zetaz | sledges: thanks for the link. Damn, mine is a lot slower.... never though of playing angry bird with it ! :D | 17:04 |
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| sledges | found it finally: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8jQsbNAgqA | 17:05 |
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| sledges | write him a message on youtube, to ask for status, let's kick it :) | 17:07 |
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| zetaz | it's good to see that it is possible, but the good point of eink being that the less you refresh it the less it consumes. I imagine that with refresh rates like this, and lcd screen consumes less or equals ? | 17:08 |
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| sledges | well, those are just funny videos | 17:09 |
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| sledges | he's working for small community who are developing a fresh OS for kindle | 17:09 |
| sledges | and he looked into mer/nemo as strong option | 17:09 |
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| kimmoli | gwtting eink timings correct in first place is pain int there, and getting it working this fast and nicely might get you insane... | 17:09 |
| zetaz | most apps are "static" : maps, IRC, messages... and so could benefit from eink. | 17:09 |
| sledges | zetaz: e-ink TOH ;) | 17:10 |
| zetaz | sledges: I was looking at what OS to put in my e-reader in fact, but yes eink TOH would be a nice addition to the Jolla phone. Too bad Jolla didn't provide SPI for the OH connection... | 17:12 |
| * SpeedEvil looks at his nook simple touch | 17:13 | |
| kimmoli | but you can put there small microcontroller to make "conversion" | 17:13 |
| kimmoli | and housekeepint the eink screen, taking out some payyload from i2c | 17:13 |
| kimmoli | (or at least i will) | 17:13 |
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| zetaz | kimmoli : yep. laziness is my main skill ;) | 17:14 |
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| kimmoli | That requires academic education to be lazy :) .anyway, "proof of concept" is done with arduino listening i2c and driving eink. | 17:15 |
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| zetaz | kimmoli: I have followed your work. Great work by the way for all your OH. | 17:18 |
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| sledges | +1 kimmoli ! | 17:41 |
| kimmoli | humble thanks | 17:44 |
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| Isabella27 | Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 18:05 |
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| jake9xx_ | kimmoli: saw your proto the other day. Hats off, dude. Respect with capital R. | 18:07 |
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| Klarre | Hi! I'm looking for a place wherr I can read about upcoming release versions gor Sailfish. Is there a web page for that? | 18:50 |
| sledges | Klarre: https://together.jolla.com/question/29506/the-next-update-release-is-in-early-march/ | 18:50 |
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| Klarre | Thanks! | 18:53 |
| sledges | welcome Klarre :) | 18:53 |
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| yves__ | hello | 19:26 |
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| sledges | hello yves__ | 19:26 |
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| yves__ | there is a port for the nexus 4 is that correct? | 19:27 |
| yves__ | how well does it run? | 19:27 |
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| sledges | yves__: you've seen the video, right? | 19:30 |
| yves__ | yes | 19:31 |
| sledges | things like wifi/gps are not yet working, but it's work in progress | 19:32 |
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| yves__ | thats very cool, i hope all features are there at some point | 19:32 |
| sledges | given the fact that the same technology was used to make accelerated graphics stack work, will be used for other hardware bits as well | 19:32 |
| sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 19:32 |
| sledges | so in theory, it should work as full-fledge as cyanogenmod on it, in practise it will depend on enthusiasm+manhours spent by community with jolla's help | 19:33 |
| yves__ | nice, thanks for the info | 19:34 |
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| sledges | welcome yves__ :) | 19:36 |
| kimmoli | I did just watch one funny video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUvx7wGfk-8 and then it did hit me... i have this UDOO iMX6 quadcore, http://www.udoo.org/ .. Any thoughts ?? worth of porting ? | 19:36 |
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| Archyman | I am interested | 19:37 |
| sledges | the music is funny ;) ahhh good ole times | 19:37 |
| jake9xx_ | kimmoli: does freescale give any modem i/f's ? | 19:37 |
| sledges | kimmoli: more funny vids: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIHRLbAAFIE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kbQU6n8Zkw | 19:38 |
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| sledges | jake9xx_: slap on a usb umts modem | 19:40 |
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| Archyman | So dumb question time... Is Sailfish dual bootable? Or can I try it on apk I am fairly lost right now | 19:40 |
| sledges | huawey are linux friendly | 19:40 |
| sledges | huawei even | 19:41 |
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| jake9xx_ | sledges: I meant real modem connectivity ;) | 19:42 |
| jake9xx_ | sledges: btw, what's the trick with SGX, nemo and existing hardfp ? | 19:42 |
| jake9xx_ | or doesn't imagination care anymore? | 19:42 |
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| kimmoli | jake9xx_: dont know - my "modem" is something that you hit your colleague with .. | 19:44 |
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| Archyman | So uhhh any help :( | 19:44 |
| jake9xx_ | Archyman: no, sailfish is not dual bootable yet | 19:45 |
| tsukimori | "try sailfish on apk"? | 19:46 |
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| tsukimori | what is that supposed to mean? | 19:46 |
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| sledges | there's a sailfish emulator app, to try how it feels on your android | 19:46 |
| Archyman | I am honestly new to android but I just got a new phone and wanted to use sailfish... I apoligize for my ineptitude | 19:47 |
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| jake9xx_ | Archyman: the apk you refer 'is' running sailfish code but it ain't the sailfish OS - it runs on top of android and gives you look and feel of what sailfish is | 19:50 |
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| Archyman | So is there a way to install sailfish on an android phone? | 19:51 |
| jake9xx_ | plus you cannot access all features of sailfish with that | 19:51 |
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| kimmoli | I did skip Android phones completely - (Time when they were called just "phones") -> WinCE -> Meego -> Sailfish | 19:52 |
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| sledges | Archyman: instructions are being prepared, you can also become an early adopter for nexus4 | 19:58 |
| sledges | already | 19:58 |
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| * kimmoli thinks should i go and buy Nexus4 just for this ?? | 19:59 | |
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| sledges | kimmoli: someone commented on video exactly the same just now :)) | 19:59 |
| sledges | someone from the US | 20:00 |
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| tbr | kimmoli: I'd rather make it work on something like the nexus5 or nexus7-2013 | 20:02 |
| tbr | the nexus4 really sucks with the glass back... | 20:03 |
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| Emily19 | You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 20:06 |
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| vgrade_ | tbr: n5 fairs no better aparently, tweeted I'd picked one up yesterday and got replies from friends to say "buy a case" as 3 of them in the same company had smashed theirs | 20:10 |
| tbr | ouch :( | 20:11 |
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| vgrade_ | tbr: thin may be sexy but not robust | 20:12 |
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| coderus | sledges: sailfish adaptation contains hardware acceleration and sensors? | 20:16 |
| sledges | coderus: contains everything what cm has to offer | 20:17 |
| sledges | currently status varies per device, is a matter of time | 20:17 |
| isthatme|openSUS | vgrade_: well, the nexus line is designed for devs | 20:21 |
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| stephg | n5's have faired much better than n4's did at one of the places I'm at | 20:21 |
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| stephg | (not a small sample too, like 10 of each) | 20:22 |
| isthatme|openSUS | yeah, n4 has a glass back | 20:22 |
| isthatme|openSUS | it makes you very paranoid to carry it in your pocket | 20:22 |
| stephg | n4s have this uncanny ability to slide off *any* surface without even being touched | 20:22 |
| vgrade_ | isthatme|openSUS: nexus one was solid, | 20:22 |
| isthatme|openSUS | stephg: especially when vibrating | 20:24 |
| isthatme|openSUS | :P | 20:24 |
| isthatme|openSUS | and it's a b*tch to find a case for one | 20:24 |
| isthatme|openSUS | vgrade_: okay, but still my point remains | 20:24 |
| isthatme|openSUS | the n4 was meant to be a dev device | 20:24 |
| isthatme|openSUS | so it doesn't really matter if it has a glass back | 20:25 |
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| kimmoli | tbr: point taken - Skip Nexus4. | 20:30 |
| isthatme|openSUS | kimmoli: it's a good phone, just get a case for it | 20:30 |
| tbr | I managed to break the screen and the back glass on mine | 20:30 |
| zetaz | I'm waiting for the nexus 3310 then ;) | 20:31 |
| kimmoli | should put 6mm hardened on both sides | 20:31 |
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| netchip | Ah | 20:34 |
| netchip | Sailfish has been ported to Mako? | 20:35 |
| netchip | I wanted to do that :P | 20:35 |
| netchip | Oh well - let's go for Nemo Mobile then. | 20:35 |
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| isthatme|openSUS | lol | 20:36 |
| isthatme|openSUS | are the images up yet? | 20:36 |
| stephg | nope | 20:37 |
| netchip | sledges: Could I be an early adaptor? | 20:37 |
| isthatme|openSUS | okay | 20:37 |
| sledges | netchip: yes | 20:37 |
| netchip | sledges: You're a Jolla developer, aren't you? | 20:38 |
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| sledges | netchip: pm me your name and email and how you intend to participate :) | 20:39 |
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| kimmoli | Using uinput now ... and when i send EV_KEY KEY_LEFTSHIFT and i got ? on screen. And it actually works, if i send KEY_A after i get uppercase A. KEYA --> a, KEY_LEFTSHIFT, KEY_A --> ?A | 20:42 |
| kimmoli | same for KEY_RIGHTSHIFT, KEY_CAPSLOCK. works but s**ks | 20:43 |
| coderus | sledges: sorry i never used android and cm, just asking about capabilities :) | 20:43 |
| sledges | np coderus, never too late to ask | 20:43 |
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| coderus | sledges: sure | 20:44 |
| coderus | just tell the best one | 20:45 |
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| kimmoli | above uinput: the questionmark ? does not appear on terminal, only on sailfish app text inputs | 21:04 |
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| Klarre | Do anyone knows what a constant LED flickering in red or green means? | 21:39 |
| Klarre | My Jolla device has made it twice. | 21:39 |
| tbr | apparently ui restart | 21:40 |
| Klarre | Ah, ok. | 21:40 |
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| Ashley25 | Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 22:05 |
| sjn | is there an overview somewhere of the meaning of LED signals that a Jolla device might make? | 22:05 |
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| gTan64 | sledges, I've been working on my own port of Sailfish to the Nexus 4 for the last week or two, and I had it mostly working with Freedreno drivers at one point (font rendering issues, probably due to the above)... I never got hybris to work. I was contemplating releasing my port, but I wasn't sure if there were legal issues with redistributing Jolla's closed source apps. What are your plans wrt releasing your port? | 22:13 |
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| AL13N_jolla | hey | 22:20 |
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| AL13N_jolla | anyone know how to use cli arguments fron qmlscene? | 22:21 |
| AL13N_jolla | Google only found ubuntu Argument | 22:22 |
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| virtapoika | Hi, could you help me to connect Jolla via usb to Ubuntu 13.10 in dev mode? | 22:25 |
| virtapoika | Now I'm only getting the timeout error | 22:25 |
| juke_ | i could, but i'm not at my desktop now :/ | 22:26 |
| virtapoika | Okay :/ | 22:26 |
| virtapoika | I just checked that my ifconfig command doesn't prompt usb devices ip | 22:26 |
| juke_ | but the main thing is that you need to use network manager to do it. add a new interface for it and set ip manually from the usb-device's network. | 22:27 |
| juke_ | also there's some option in routing so that that interface is only used for local resources, which means it's not trying to use that for facebooking | 22:27 |
| virtapoika | Hmm is network manager the same as "network connections" or should I install some software | 22:29 |
| juke_ | that's the same | 22:29 |
| juke_ | http://i.stack.imgur.com/C8Z6w.png looks like this | 22:29 |
| virtapoika | Thank you :) | 22:30 |
| juke_ | np | 22:30 |
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| virtapoika | s | 22:31 |
| virtapoika | Which type of connection I should use for the Jolla? There's no usb option in the list when I'm adding a new connection | 22:32 |
| juke_ | is the phone in developer mode? | 22:32 |
| juke_ | the interface doesn't show up without it | 22:32 |
| juke_ | it's called usb:<somehexstringhere> | 22:33 |
| virtapoika | The phone is in Dev mode | 22:33 |
| virtapoika | and password is set | 22:33 |
| virtapoika | wait... I maybe got it | 22:34 |
| juke_ | ah right. ethernet | 22:34 |
| virtapoika | Now the ifconfig give my Jolla ip: 169.254.8.80 | 22:34 |
| juke_ | and then in the ethernet tab set device mac address from the dropdown | 22:34 |
| juke_ | you need to manually set the ip in ipv4 settings tab | 22:35 |
| juke_ | choose 192.168.2.1 for example, netmask /24, gateway doesn't matter, it's not used | 22:36 |
| juke_ | and then in the same tab set in routing -> use this connection only for resources on its network | 22:36 |
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| virtapoika | and when choosing mac address I choose usb? (not ethernet) | 22:38 |
| juke_ | yes | 22:39 |
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| * kimmoli says goodnight!.... can't sleep.. too exited... my proto is at MWC.. WTF moment... pakko nukkua | 22:41 | |
| virtapoika | still the same :/ | 22:42 |
| virtapoika | Setted everything as u said | 22:42 |
| virtapoika | ifconfig | 22:42 |
| juke_ | how about unplugging? | 22:42 |
| virtapoika | gives me the ip which I putted into the interface setup | 22:43 |
| virtapoika | tried twice | 22:43 |
| juke_ | like it should | 22:43 |
| virtapoika | yeah | 22:43 |
| juke_ | that's your ip in the network between your computer and the phone | 22:43 |
| virtapoika | Yeah | 22:44 |
| juke_ | the phone is 192.168.2.15 | 22:44 |
| juke_ | if your ip is now in the same network, try pingin the phone | 22:44 |
| virtapoika | I tried ssh connection via ssh nemo@192.168.2.15 | 22:44 |
| virtapoika | instantly connection refused | 22:45 |
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| virtapoika | pinging works | 22:45 |
| juke_ | then it's not about network configuration | 22:45 |
| juke_ | try rebooting the phone, if you have just enabled developer mode for the first time, you need to reboot to get it working | 22:45 |
| AL13N_jolla | did you allow it in dev mode? | 22:45 |
| Kenny | hey guys, how do I sign up to be an early adopter for sailfish OS for my nexus 4? | 22:46 |
| juke_ | or tthat's what i've had to do to get it working | 22:46 |
| virtapoika | I'll reboot | 22:46 |
| AL13N_jolla | sounds like firewall is blocking or sshd not running | 22:46 |
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| virtapoika | Kenny the android support is coming maybe 2morrow so wait patiently ;) | 22:47 |
| artemma | I seem to remember people saying that Sailfish scheduler is based on same timed as in Harmattan times, but can't quite see references to it in the SDK. Could somebody point me closer? | 22:47 |
| AL13N_jolla | anyone know how to use arguments in qml? | 22:47 |
| artemma | AL13N_jolla: you mean function arguments? Same as in javascript. Well, it is just a javascript | 22:48 |
| juke_ | don't you have a main function in c++? | 22:48 |
| AL13N_jolla | i cant just use argv, that would be too easy | 22:48 |
| juke_ | :D | 22:48 |
| AL13N_jolla | qml only via qmlscene | 22:49 |
| AL13N_jolla | Google found something Argument, but it was ubuntu specific | 22:50 |
| AL13N_jolla | artemma: juke_ ? | 22:50 |
| juke_ | i'm pretty new to qml myself | 22:50 |
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| artemma | AL13N_jolla: I know nothing about command line qml in Jolla times. In Harmattan I just used qt creator qmlproject.. and didn't care about command line ags either actually | 22:51 |
| artemma | AL13N_jolla: actually.. why do you need it at all? I understand the wish for command line args in general, but your final app will have c++ wrapper anyway, won't it? | 22:51 |
| artemma | so for now you could simulate arguments | 22:52 |
| AL13N_jolla | I'm trying to make a .desktop file linked to video mime types | 22:52 |
| virtapoika | Has someone been a part of "devaamo" hackday? | 22:52 |
| artemma | virtapoika: I was | 22:52 |
| AL13N_jolla | been using the Sailfish.Media objects | 22:53 |
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| virtapoika | Okay I'm 15 yrs old so can I join the next hack day? I have programmed in Java and C++ before. The Qt environment is new to me. | 22:53 |
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| artemma | virtapoika: sure, we don't have any age restrictions. Beer supply might need to go around you, but no other descrimination should happen :) | 22:54 |
| virtapoika | My java knowledge: I have finished mooc java course (not offically) | 22:54 |
| virtapoika | Okay thanks :) I would really like to learn programming Sailfish Apps | 22:55 |
| artemma | virtapoika: cool! | 22:55 |
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| artemma | virtapoika: you don't even have to wait until the event :D Though it's more fun to do it together | 22:56 |
| artemma | I am pretty sure "teaching" part will stay pretty much the same - http://www.codingsubmarine.com/getting-started-with-sailfish-os-helloworld-pro/ | 22:56 |
| artemma | that was used mostly as a warm up, the rest of the day was coding/soldering with more skilled guys walking around and answering questions | 22:57 |
| virtapoika | Hmm... I've done that long time ago So is there any "more advanced" sailfish programmers teaching? | 22:57 |
| virtapoika | Oh okay :) | 22:58 |
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| artemma | I seem to remember people saying that Sailfish and Nemo scheduler is based on same timed as in Harmattan times, but can't quite see references to it in the SDK. Could somebody point me closer? | 22:59 |
| virtapoika | My next goal is to understand qml&c++ integration so maybe someone could help me there/then | 22:59 |
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| artemma | virtapoika: this channel should be of good help too | 22:59 |
| virtapoika | Yeah, but I think no1 cares about youngster asking something so basic | 23:00 |
| artemma | virtapoika: nobody sees your age here :D | 23:00 |
| AL13N_jolla | anyone know of a way to make it less bright? | 23:00 |
| AL13N_jolla | something more aggressive? | 23:00 |
| artemma | virtapoika: and actually I find whole Qt-Mer-Nemo-Sailfish world very friendly for newbies | 23:01 |
| artemma | virtapoika: trying doesn't hurt anyway ;) | 23:01 |
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| virtapoika | I've tried understanding this reference: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtqml/qtqml-cppintegration-contextproperties.html | 23:02 |
| AL13N_jolla | I bet the helloworld app is quite illuminating wrt qml & c++ integration | 23:02 |
| artemma | hmm, I don't think there is anything about qml-cpp stuff in helloworld. Maybe I should add something real simple there like passing a version number .yaml->.spec->.pro->.cpp->.qml | 23:03 |
| artemma | virtapoika: so what's the question? | 23:04 |
| virtapoika | How can I call c++ function from qml code for example in Buttons onClicked | 23:05 |
| artemma | virtapoika: there are several ways of integration cpp and qml. For just now let's assume you went for that simplest context property way | 23:06 |
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| artemma | virtapoika: you will need to setContextProperty("rockerLauncherCppObject", &myRocketLauncher) | 23:07 |
| artemma | then RocketLauncher class must be based on Q_OBJECT and have Q_INVOKABLE void launchNow() | 23:07 |
| artemma | then from qml you will call rocketLauncherCppObject.launchNow() | 23:07 |
| artemma | basically setContextProperty "injects" your cpp object into QML context and you can use all cpp object properties/method | 23:08 |
| artemma | well, not exactly all, but ones marked as Q_INVOKABLE - that provides the run time wiring via method name | 23:09 |
| virtapoika | Okay... maybe I got it :D | 23:09 |
| * artemma is thinking about next Sailfish OS project. Either changing Ambience to some cool photos a couple of times a day or Telegram client. Tough choice.. | 23:10 | |
| virtapoika | C++ side is much harder to understand for me because I've learned only basics (example) so using classes in c++ is to me "unkown". In java it is easy | 23:11 |
| artemma | virtapoika: Qt way is way milder and easier then "normal" c++ | 23:11 |
| artemma | and then in QML world you don't really need c++ that often. Only when you need to communicate with the outer system (e.g. file access) or for performance reasons | 23:12 |
| virtapoika | But it is absolutely new to me (too). For a project idea: I have thought about a big wallpaper database. People can upload/download pictures there. | 23:12 |
| * artemma is thinking about same idea and was just looking for some server-oriented partner in crime :D | 23:13 | |
| virtapoika | Because for "normal users" changing background image aka ambiance is very important | 23:13 |
| virtapoika | Haha :D I've used in Java sockets in near times | 23:14 |
| virtapoika | Does Java sockets & C++ sockets work together? Fastly thought yes | 23:15 |
| virtapoika | but I'm not sure | 23:15 |
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| artemma | virtapoika: they do, but I don't think you really want to go that low-level unless you are critical on speed | 23:15 |
| artemma | HTTP level comms can be just enough | 23:15 |
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| artemma | if you just want to transmit files and votes | 23:16 |
| virtapoika | Hmm yeah true. Jollas screen resolution isn't even hd | 23:16 |
| virtapoika | yep | 23:16 |
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| virtapoika | artemma: Have you thought about making your own toh? | 23:19 |
| Wh1tebird | I was directed here via the Sailfish OS on Nexus 4 video | 23:20 |
| artemma | virtapoika: nope, hardware is not my thing | 23:20 |
| artemma | Wh1tebird: welcome | 23:21 |
| Wh1tebird | thanks | 23:21 |
| Wh1tebird | Interested in the system, I like the gesture based navigation | 23:21 |
| virtapoika | I think we ALL love it | 23:21 |
| Wh1tebird | haha, true, otherwise you wouldn't be here | 23:21 |
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| Wh1tebird | I assume there isn't an installable candidate of that rom? | 23:22 |
| Wh1tebird | for the nexus 4 | 23:22 |
| fengshaun | where can I find sailfish os's source code? | 23:22 |
| artemma | Wh1tebird: no official place. You should be able to google it though. And I dont think instructions are real easy yet | 23:23 |
| artemma | fengshaun: sailfish os is closed | 23:23 |
| Wh1tebird | No problem i'm familiar with getting my hands dirty on flashing | 23:23 |
| fengshaun | well, ouch | 23:23 |
| fengshaun | thanks | 23:23 |
| artemma | fengshaun: large parts of Sailfish are open, but not all of it | 23:23 |
| fengshaun | what parts are closed? | 23:24 |
| Raim | fengshaun: it is largely based on Mer and Nemo, which are both open source. only the UI is not open. | 23:24 |
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| artemma | fengshaun: if you are into 100% open, #nemomobile is your friend. That is basically Jolla without sailfishos apps and gestures | 23:24 |
| fengshaun | so, just the sailfishos apps and gestures are closed? | 23:25 |
| Wh1tebird | BSD license i see | 23:25 |
| virtapoika | Does someone know how much power Jollas i2c pins can give? | 23:25 |
| artemma | fengshaun: I am not and expert. To my understanding gestures and most apps are closed. But there are still holes. E.g. ui controls and web browser are open | 23:26 |
| artemma | not an* expert | 23:26 |
| fengshaun | hmmm ok thanks, I was under the impression that it was fully open | 23:27 |
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| artemma | but yeah, in general Sailfish OS is just nemomobile + silica controls (open) + custom apps (one of which are open) + device specific optimizations possibly | 23:27 |
| artemma | actually more than one is open. Main app launcher is also open source | 23:28 |
| virtapoika | I read from the copyrights in Jollas settings that you can ask for the source code but you have to snailmail about it | 23:28 |
| artemma | virtapoika: not for apps | 23:28 |
| Wh1tebird | Can't find the unofficial download though, I'm going to wait for a more stable release i think | 23:28 |
| fengshaun | I just don't want to go the sailfish os route and find it slowly close down like android did | 23:29 |
| Wh1tebird | How do you mean like android did? | 23:29 |
| Raim | virtapoika: that is a legal obligation of the license and you only need to go that way if you really want to get the exact source that was used to build this release. | 23:29 |
| fengshaun | well, google is slowly closing all of their apps (with google play and APIs) | 23:29 |
| Raim | virtapoika: otherwise you find the source in Nemo/Mer repositories as far as I understand it. | 23:30 |
| fengshaun | there are AOSP versions, but they are abandoned | 23:30 |
| artemma | fengshaun: I believe there are public explanations of Jolla's point of view. Something along that they do want to keep advantage against single-click copying by other companies | 23:30 |
| artemma | fengshaun: it may happen, but Jolla depends real-real heavily on fully open source project, while Android is 100% done inside google | 23:30 |
| virtapoika | fengshaun: Yeah, Google has totally lost its mind with the "open source" | 23:31 |
| artemma | so these open source projects (nemo and mer) may stop supporting jolla at any point s they start being pissed off | 23:31 |
| artemma | sure Jolla can fork, but that's way different costs | 23:31 |
| fengshaun | artemma: that's a relief | 23:31 |
| fengshaun | virtapoika: they sure did | 23:32 |
| Kenny | btw, will sailfish be available on tablets as well, like tomorrow or whenever it gets released for android devices? | 23:40 |
| * artemma doubts that Sailfish OS UI makes a lot of sense on large screens | 23:41 | |
| * artemma knows that people were trying it though, technically it;s possible even if with some UI glitches | 23:41 | |
| Kenny | hm | 23:42 |
| Kenny | was just thinking it could help breathe some life into my crappy, slow android tablet | 23:42 |
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| virtapoika | Belive me you'll see it booting in SailfishOS someday ;) | 23:47 |
| virtapoika | btw does SailfishOS/Jolla support qt mobility library? | 23:51 |
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| virtapoika | I've read something about that it doesn't | 23:51 |
| artemma | virtapoika: QtMobility is deprecated in general since Nokia times. Most of its functionality is moved to the other modules. Something I think is completely lost | 23:52 |
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