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| radiofree | first great day with a jolla today | 00:26 |
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| radiofree | disabled the "tohd" service... battery life out of this world | 00:26 |
| radiofree | also, connected, and remained connected, to every wifi network i threw at it | 00:26 |
| radiofree | i charged it about 8 hours ago, currently at 79% after a few phone calls and constant internet activity | 00:27 |
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| radiofree | quite happy :D | 00:27 |
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| tbr | good moaning | 06:00 |
| Bloob | I'm having difficulties deciding whether that was misspelling or not :) | 06:03 |
| tbr | Bloob: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGNVU5ZjlgA | 06:07 |
| Bloob | oh :) | 06:08 |
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| narchie | koettu aika joku 80h ku toi bussi oli etuajas ja piti oottaa seuraavaa ":D" | 08:30 |
| narchie | oops | 08:30 |
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| artemma | Quick Launcher is in QA for 3.5 days already. What is your usual number? | 08:51 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: I got between 2 days and 1 week | 08:54 |
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| artemma | Sfiet_Konstantin: okay, then average 48 hours claimed in harbour pages is as fake as stats counters | 09:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: it is not that fake thjough | 09:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is usually 2 dayus for me | 09:13 |
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| * artemma never had it below two days, I think. More like 3-5 usually | 09:19 | |
| artemma | I think I had 2 days just once | 09:20 |
| artemma | out of 4 apps and something like 6-9 submissions | 09:20 |
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| Wnt | does this work on non dev mode enabled devices? "How to install RPM easily in #Jolla. Start Store app, download .rpm, go to Transfers and click file. Navigate to Store and there you go." https://twitter.com/jukkaeklund/status/425922575038828545 | 09:45 |
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| goroboro | coderus: ping | 09:58 |
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| goroboro | anyone know what I should specify in Group in my YAML file if I am compiling a command line app? | 10:00 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | goroboro: Qt/Qt ? | 10:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | don't think that this have any importance | 10:22 |
| goroboro | mmm okay... its just not a Qt app... | 10:23 |
| goroboro | but I'll roll with that for now | 10:23 |
| radiofree | stopping tohd service seems to have fixed all (but one) of the wifi issues i was having as well | 10:23 |
| radiofree | i can connect to wifi networks now! | 10:23 |
| radiofree | and use them! | 10:23 |
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| coderus | goroboro: pong | 10:42 |
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| goroboro | coderus: hi | 10:43 |
| coderus | trash Yaml | 10:43 |
| coderus | use spec | 10:43 |
| goroboro | okay | 10:43 |
| goroboro | I'm pretty confused at the moment... the source that I have has a configure and Makefile | 10:44 |
| goroboro | I can make this manually... but doing it in the sdk is confusing me | 10:44 |
| goroboro | I'd love to see an example of how a standard linux command line utility gets packaged | 10:47 |
| goroboro | maybe its a mistake to do this in qt-creator... :/ | 10:48 |
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| sremes | goroboro: could you just take the source rpm from some other rpm-based distro? | 10:54 |
| goroboro | sremes: that may be a good option | 10:54 |
| goroboro | sremes: would the idea just be to copy the source rpm to somewhere on the build engine and then just do an rpmbuild --rebuild? | 10:57 |
| goroboro | or are you suggesting getting the spec file from the source rpm and just using that from within the sdk? | 10:58 |
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| sremes | goroboro: I was thinking more about that first alternative, but I haven't done it either way myself | 11:04 |
| goroboro | sremes: cool... will give it a shot | 11:08 |
| tbr | goroboro: it goes into that direction yes | 11:09 |
| tbr | goroboro: you'll just have to switch to the right build environment inside it | 11:09 |
| tbr | goroboro: the other option is to use OBS. if there is a package in e.g. opensuse you can just copypac from there and have obs rebuild it | 11:09 |
| tbr | against the sailfish target | 11:10 |
| goroboro | ooooh... will look into that | 11:10 |
| goroboro | I didn't realize that OBS had a sailfish target | 11:12 |
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| tbr | goroboro: it has, and if the tool is generally useful and not in mer-tools yet, we can add it to the community repository | 11:36 |
| tbr | currently named "Chum" | 11:36 |
| goroboro | tbr: never used OBS before... so learning about it now | 11:37 |
| tbr | :) | 11:37 |
| goroboro | tbr: the tool is probably pretty niche abcm2ps :) | 11:37 |
| tbr | start by getting a mer account (through registering in bugs.merproject.org) | 11:37 |
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| tbr | um, yeah, music sheets. On the phone... not very main-stream :D | 11:38 |
| goroboro | heh... I want to create a sailfish app that can search thesession.org for trad tunes and then render the sheet/tab mostly on the fly | 11:39 |
| goroboro | I'm a trad mandolin player... I thought it would be handy as music sessions | 11:40 |
| goroboro | s/as/at | 11:40 |
| goroboro | I know a few people that search the site on their phones while at a session... so would be nice to show how a native sailfish app doing it on my jolla | 11:41 |
| jake9xx | tbr, I disagree on that. If you'd have app that shows a sliding window of tab and marks the point where you are supposed to be plus has metronome for the beat.. now that would be something | 11:41 |
| goroboro | doing the UI part should be pretty straightforward... thesession.org provides json or xml rendering of all of its pages | 11:42 |
| jake9xx | I can play various tabs with my fender but keeping up the pace is sometimes difficult | 11:42 |
| goroboro | jake9xx: true... but I've niched it further by seeking out trad music :D:D:D: | 11:42 |
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| jake9xx | esp. when reading new tabs | 11:42 |
| goroboro | would be a nice app... I think | 11:43 |
| tbr | jake9xx: mmh, indeed | 11:44 |
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| goroboro | there is a neat online service that converts abc to tab/sheet... but I want to avoid using too many online services... besides, I thought this might be a good opportunity to learn how to build other linux tools for the phone | 11:44 |
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| roboro | mmmm sooo much reading to do here... must get back to my day job... will look at this more tonight | 12:06 |
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| joonahoi | my excuse: http://xkcd.com/303/ | 12:13 |
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| Stskeeps | for discussion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaVAMGv3tI4 | 13:09 |
| cos- | i have understood it has been ported to several devices inside jolla, so is this something special? | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | hehe. clever - yes, we stood on a stage with a lot of devices running the old x11/qt stack back in november slush launch. this is more about the significant ability to use android adaptations | 13:15 |
| juke | is there some system wide thing for social sharing like in android? | 13:16 |
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| cos- | juke: yes. | 13:20 |
| juke | is it documented somewhere? | 13:20 |
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| cos- | user manual perhaps? at least images and videos can be shared | 13:21 |
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| juke | yes i noticed that, is there an api i can use in my app? | 13:21 |
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| juke | in android you can just send a text intent it launches android's sharing menu, is there something like that in sailfish? | 13:28 |
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| juke | it's like 5 lines | 13:28 |
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| Stskeeps | remind me again, who here has nexus 4's? | 14:04 |
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| w00t | my mother in law! | 14:06 |
| w00t | :P | 14:06 |
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| fk_lx | Stskeeps: you? ;-) | 14:08 |
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| gabriel9|work | maybe i should buy nexus 4 instead of jolla :/ | 14:10 |
| gabriel9|work | but TOH are nice feature | 14:10 |
| gabriel9|work | and i think support for sailors is ok | 14:10 |
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| gabriel9|work | my gf has nexus4 | 14:10 |
| radiofree | nearly all of my problems i was having went away after disabling the other half nfc service | 14:11 |
| radiofree | and the battery life is outstanding now | 14:11 |
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| stephg | Stskeeps, sledges that's awesome :) | 14:52 |
| Hartzi | hey sorry for the off topic but does anyone know that is Wazapp a dead project atm? :P | 14:53 |
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| sledges | Hartzi: it's living daylights under finnish name for "what's up?" ;) https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu | 14:55 |
| sledges | stephg: thank you! | 14:55 |
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| stephg | someone with a hackernews account does need to get that vid up there pronto tho | 14:56 |
| Hartzi | sledges: well I'm looking for a working version of whatsapp for harmattan :P | 14:57 |
| pyksy | openrepos.net seems to have broken ipv6 connectivity | 14:57 |
| pyksy | or is it just me? | 14:58 |
| sledges | Hartzi: ask in #harmattan ;) | 14:59 |
| pyksy | % telnet -6 www.openrepos.net 443 | 14:59 |
| pyksy | Trying 2a01:4f8:160:5104::2... | 14:59 |
| pyksy | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused | 14:59 |
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| Bysmyyr_ | pyksy: same for me | 15:01 |
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| fonix232 | good day everybody | 15:22 |
| faenil | fonix232, o/ | 15:22 |
| fonix232 | oh hey | 15:22 |
| fonix232 | so, as faenil already knows, I have a small problem at hand | 15:22 |
| fonix232 | I'd like to port Sailfish to some Android devices | 15:23 |
| Stskeeps | which ones? | 15:23 |
| fonix232 | specifically, the Alcatel OT-995 | 15:23 |
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| fonix232 | pretty low specs (800x480, MSM8255T SoC, 512MB RAM, 4GB NAND) | 15:23 |
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| Stskeeps | does that thing have cyanogenmod 10.1 by chance? | 15:24 |
| fonix232 | even 11.0 | 15:24 |
| fonix232 | not official, but we have it ;) | 15:25 |
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| Stskeeps | nod bad | 15:25 |
| fonix232 | I had a good part in the development, testing, building, etc. | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | not bad, that is | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | how about clockworkmod? | 15:25 |
| fonix232 | any device that gets in my hands ends up with a custom CM | 15:25 |
| fonix232 | that too | 15:25 |
| fonix232 | lemme check the version | 15:25 |
| fonix232 | version 6, can't say more without rebooting the phone ATM | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | saw the video sledges made? | 15:26 |
| fonix232 | the reason why I thought about porting | 15:26 |
| fonix232 | if I can get half of that functionality, I'm happy | 15:26 |
| fonix232 | as in, booting, screen+touch works, maybe even wifi and sound | 15:26 |
| dschoepe | Does anyone know of a way to swap the actions of swiping from the top and swiping from the left? If not, pointing me to the right binary to look at would also be appreciated. | 15:27 |
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| dschoepe | coderus: Venemo directed me to you in #jollamobile with this question. | 15:30 |
| * Marenz would want to make fonix232 getting excited about a fairphone in hopes to see sailfish os on it ;) | 15:30 | |
| fonix232 | Marenz, what's "fairphone"? | 15:31 |
| Venemo | wat is a fairphone? | 15:31 |
| Marenz | Oh | 15:31 |
| Venemo | http://www.fairphone.com/ this? | 15:31 |
| faenil | fonix232, | 15:31 |
| faenil | http://www.fairphone.com/ | 15:31 |
| faenil | yep | 15:31 |
| Marenz | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2362172&page=1 | 15:31 |
| Marenz | yeah | 15:31 |
| faenil | never heard of it? it's a phone which is environmentally friendly | 15:31 |
| faenil | and stuff like that | 15:31 |
| fonix232 | nop, never heard of it | 15:32 |
| faenil | strange :) | 15:32 |
| fonix232 | though their font is not eye-friendly at all | 15:32 |
| fonix232 | and they lost me at their choice of SoC | 15:32 |
| fonix232 | seriously?? | 15:32 |
| fonix232 | MTK? | 15:32 |
| fonix232 | MTK as an "environmentally friendly" choice? wow | 15:32 |
| fonix232 | much stupid, very idiot | 15:33 |
| Marenz | they are not perfect, but they did some nicet hings | 15:33 |
| fonix232 | the device itself might be green, but those SoCs produce more trash and dust and whatnot per chip than a Qcom line in a day | 15:33 |
| fonix232 | I mean the producing ofc | 15:34 |
| Venemo | faenil: is the jolla also environmentally friendly? :P | 15:34 |
| faenil | fonix232, more than environmentally friendly it's about being "ethically friendly" I don'know how to explain, read on the website :) | 15:34 |
| fonix232 | failure rate is way too high as they are overdriven by default, resource management sucks in general on them | 15:34 |
| faenil | Venemo, how would I know :P | 15:34 |
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| Marenz | it's mainly social friend so far ;) | 15:35 |
| Marenz | *friendly | 15:35 |
| fonix232 | "From the mines to the factories, we want every worker involved in creating this smartphone to earn a fair wage." | 15:35 |
| fonix232 | now that's another laughable part | 15:35 |
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| Venemo | fonix232: what's so laughable about it? | 15:35 |
| fonix232 | MTK is about on par with Foxconn in wages, workforce use and abuse, etc. | 15:35 |
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| Venemo | hehe | 15:36 |
| fonix232 | so that statement is basically rubbish | 15:36 |
| Marenz | Okay, we get it, MTK is bad, argument accepted. But the phone is not "all MTK" | 15:36 |
| fonix232 | of course it is not | 15:36 |
| fonix232 | but if you have a faulty heart, we can't say you're in perfect condition, now, can we? ;) | 15:37 |
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| Marenz | I said before they aren't perfect, it's the first project of that kind and of course they do mistakes | 15:37 |
| Venemo | also keep in mind that there are not many alternatives | 15:37 |
| fonix232 | there are | 15:37 |
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| fonix232 | Rockchip for example, or even Qcom | 15:38 |
| Sidde | any product built in EU from the buttom up are i'll guess much more env friendly | 15:38 |
| Venemo | and more costly too | 15:38 |
| fonix232 | financially might not be that worthy, yes, but they have better performance and support | 15:38 |
| Marenz | okay. Again. Being environment friendly wasn't the goal. It was being socially fair. | 15:38 |
| Sidde | and software made in america. that can't be made in perfect conditions for the workers. 2 weeks vacation and so on... | 15:39 |
| Sidde | that would be slave work conditions in most of europe | 15:39 |
| faenil | Marenz, yeah I've put it wrong :) | 15:39 |
| faenil | misremembered their purpose initially | 15:40 |
| fonix232 | look, the initiative is good, I agree with that | 15:40 |
| Marenz | fonix232, they took the existing model of one of the few companies they could find that would agree to their special demands regarding company conditions for the workers etc.. they modified that model a bit, redesigned it a bit and used it. They didn't built the whole phone themselves, they don't have the resources for that yet | 15:40 |
| fonix232 | but their choice of partners, manufacturers and hardware is a bit contradictional | 15:40 |
| Marenz | fonix232, so they have a lot of constraints and they had to balance a lot of things against each other | 15:40 |
| fonix232 | Marenz, I know exactly how it works, I'm working in the same business ;) | 15:41 |
| fonix232 | well, pretty much the same | 15:41 |
| Marenz | okay.. It just felt like you kept bashing them without seeing anything good about it. That didn't feel fair..towards the fairphone ;) | 15:41 |
| Venemo | fonix232: what do you do for a living? | 15:41 |
| fonix232 | Venemo, I'm working with a company that sells specific Chinese devices | 15:42 |
| fonix232 | mostly the HDMI sticks/Set top boxes | 15:42 |
| Venemo | ah | 15:42 |
| fonix232 | we mostly use customized design, own set specifications, etc. | 15:42 |
| fonix232 | hence my knowledge of the Chinese market, and to tell you the truth, I'm quite disgusted even with the bigger companies (Qcom, Samsung, etc.) | 15:43 |
| fonix232 | though I have to agree that they are the lesser evil, they're still bad compared to EU standards | 15:43 |
| fonix232 | but hey, otherwise we wouldn't get our cheap electronics! | 15:44 |
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| Venemo | who is the "greater" evil? | 15:44 |
| Sidde | Obama? | 15:44 |
| fonix232 | the smaller companies who try to offer same performance at lower price | 15:45 |
| fonix232 | it's the typical three-options-choose-two situation | 15:45 |
| fonix232 | if it's quality and cheap, workforce is way overpaid | 15:45 |
| fonix232 | if it's quality and workforce is treated well, it's expensive | 15:45 |
| fonix232 | if it's cheap and the workforce is treated well, it's not so good in quality | 15:46 |
| fonix232 | any way, back to the original question, if we could | 15:46 |
| fonix232 | what are the steps required to port Sailfish to an Android device? :D | 15:47 |
| fonix232 | we've taken care of the requirements - CM10.1, a custom recovery | 15:47 |
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| stephg | sledges any idea timeframe for N4 instructions/image? | 15:49 |
| * stephg showed it to colleagues at work, they are excited | 15:49 | |
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| sledges | the bigger hype community makes the sooner image is out ^_^ | 15:50 |
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| faenil | sledges, killer strategy :D | 15:50 |
| sledges | \ftw/ | 15:51 |
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| stephg | :) | 15:57 |
| stephg | consider it notification that people are interested :) | 15:57 |
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| Venemo | ok, whoever is NOT interested, raise your hands | 16:00 |
| Venemo | sledges: see? everyone is interested | 16:00 |
| stephg | ha | 16:00 |
| * w00t raises his hand! | 16:02 | |
| * stephg bundles w00t out of the channel | 16:02 | |
| Venemo | sorry w00t you are late | 16:02 |
| Skorpy | hmm.. would be interesting to see how sailfish runs on lower end hardware. let's say, like on the ZTE Blade :P | 16:03 |
| w00t | Skorpy: wrong architecture | 16:03 |
| w00t | at least afair the blade is ARMv6 | 16:03 |
| valdur55 | Skorpy: Sailfish runs on N9 :) | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | no armv6 please | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:04 |
| w00t | yeah.. what he said | 16:04 |
| gabriel9|work | there must be some reason for people to buy jolla phone | 16:04 |
| zutto | they enjoy new toys? | 16:05 |
| gabriel9|work | thats me | 16:05 |
| gabriel9|work | but rest of them | 16:05 |
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| gabriel9|work | they can buy better and cheaper hardware like nexus 4 | 16:06 |
| gabriel9|work | and have android and sailfish | 16:06 |
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| Skorpy | w00t: ah, ok didn't think of that | 16:07 |
| gabriel9|work | while jolla runs some android apps it is far from perfect(i did not try, just read some articles from web) | 16:07 |
| gabriel9|work | i ordered mine from a friend and it cost me like 450 euros | 16:08 |
| Skorpy | valdur55: Already know that, but haven't had time to install yet. though I do have the Jolla already :P | 16:08 |
| gabriel9|work | now im thinking maybe i should buy something else :/ | 16:08 |
| zutto | gabriel9|work: whenever i'm starting to regret the decision before i buy anything, i dont buy it at all | 16:09 |
| gabriel9|work | but i bought it :D | 16:09 |
| zutto | :P | 16:09 |
| gabriel9|work | just wait for mailman | 16:09 |
| zutto | next time, consider twice :P | 16:09 |
| gabriel9|work | well i had N9 for long time, and it is time to change phone. Jolla was only option until now :D | 16:10 |
| gabriel9|work | i can live with some low hardware specs but for the same price and cheaper i could have something better :D | 16:11 |
| Sidde | gabriel9|work: all android-apps i've tested and i've used before works perfectly on sailfish | 16:11 |
| gabriel9|work | nwm, i go to code something and put a side this stupid thoughts | 16:11 |
| Venemo | I would've bought a Jolla even if I could've put sailfish on androids | 16:11 |
| stephg | ^that | 16:11 |
| stephg | (and I also love my Jolla) | 16:11 |
| Sidde | gabriel9|work: for example banking stuff and so on. So i'm verry happy with it | 16:12 |
| Venemo | I bought it to express my support towards Jolla's vision and goals | 16:12 |
| stephg | ditto | 16:12 |
| Sidde | i bought it for my selfish reasons | 16:12 |
| zutto | i still havent bought jolla, and it looks like i'm not going to buy it anytime soon either :P | 16:13 |
| sledges | and the-other-half hackability | 16:13 |
| gabriel9|work | i hope other half will be something special :D | 16:14 |
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| sledges | it will be | 16:14 |
| gabriel9|work | jolla needs to put they hands on it | 16:14 |
| gabriel9|work | they should create some othet halfs | 16:14 |
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| gabriel9|work | but i gues they are over they head with fixing bugs and adding new features | 16:15 |
| Marenz | fonix232, do you do this in your free time or do you plan to officially have a sailfish os mobilephone in that company you work at? | 16:16 |
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| fonix232 | Marenz, it's just a freetime project for me | 16:53 |
| fonix232 | but there is an option for Sailfish devices, as soon as Sailfish gets a proper desktop or smartTV like interface | 16:54 |
| fonix232 | and in proper I mean usable on those devices, as our products are mostly targeting those segments | 16:54 |
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| fonix232 | sledges, while many would be happier for an image, I think I'm speaking for all developers when I say we'd like a guide better ;) | 16:55 |
| sledges | sorry: s/image/image+guide/ | 16:58 |
| sledges | :) | 16:58 |
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| fonix232 | ah okay | 17:01 |
| fonix232 | well, I wanna try my hand at it as soon as possible | 17:01 |
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| sledges | great! and tell your fellow developers ;) | 17:02 |
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| miksuh | Jolla phone does not have hdmi output :-( So does anyone know if thwew is, or will be, something like VNC server for the Sailfish? | 17:19 |
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| juke | if anyone is wondering where all the nice things of qt4 webview went: http://rschroll.github.io/beru/2013/08/21/qtwebview.experimental.html | 17:23 |
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| miksuh | I hope next Jolla device will have hdmi output | 17:26 |
| coderus | dschoepe: hack /usr/bin/lipstick | 17:26 |
| coderus | it have compiled qrc inside | 17:26 |
| coderus | features you want are inside compoqitor.qml | 17:27 |
| dschoepe | coderus: thanks, I'll take a look | 17:27 |
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| dschoepe | coderus: I found some QML files inside by opening it with vim, but no way to connect it to file names. are there some specific tools that are useful for this? | 17:28 |
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| coderus | dschoepe: you cant just edit it. you need to hack inary to extract qml content | 17:40 |
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| dschoepe | coderus: are there already tools available for that? I suppose one could just inject some code that calls QFile::copy() and reuse that to extract stuff from any binary | 17:49 |
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| fonix232 | so sledges, what's the target for this release? Either specific or generic | 18:19 |
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| john24 | hey guys | 18:25 |
| john24 | got an SQL question | 18:25 |
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| john24 | I made an update for my app which before had 4 values in the datatase now and it has 5 | 18:26 |
| john24 | and obviosuly it work anymore as databse ios complaining | 18:26 |
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| john24 | is the only way to make it work is to delete it? | 18:27 |
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| jupaja | can someone help me have some truble with my spec :( | 18:36 |
| tbr | john24: you should be able to check for the layout and convert the database | 18:37 |
| john24 | so fheck if it has 5 collums? if it does do nothing if not add a collumn? | 18:37 |
| fonix232 | john24 there's an SQL command to update the database to a newer layout | 18:38 |
| fonix232 | http://www.w3schools.com/sql/sql_alter.asp | 18:38 |
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| fonix232 | a simple Google search reveals this hidden feature ;) | 18:38 |
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| john24 | ahhh i see, so what to check for number or collums or something else? | 18:40 |
| john24 | of | 18:40 |
| tbr | sqlite? | 18:40 |
| john24 | yes import QtQuick.LocalStorage 2.0 as Sql | 18:41 |
| john24 | I am storing user settings | 18:41 |
| john24 | implemented a feature and no need to store 5 values instead of 4, but obviously the current datase that users have only has 4 collums | 18:42 |
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| john24 | So i am looking for a way when they update to update the database as well | 18:42 |
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| john24 | I already have a function to drop a table would it be possible to run on when installing? to remove the old table? | 18:50 |
| coderus | dschoepe: no ready tools. you shoul ddo it yourself. | 18:51 |
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| fonix232 | hey coderus long time no talk | 18:56 |
| coderus | fonix232: hello :) | 18:57 |
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| hoelzro | just submitted my first application to the Harbour! \o/ | 19:03 |
| stephg | congrats | 19:04 |
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| dschoepe | coderus: thanks, I'll give it a try when I have time | 19:20 |
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| jupaja | <— to geeky to get the .spec to work :( try to understand the error | 19:28 |
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| cos- | i still have wakeup issues with my app. when i tested it, it ran with ~50 wakeups but harbour qa says it uses >80 | 19:36 |
| cos- | but yes, there is probably something wrong as it should be idle when nothing happens. those are really difficult to debug. | 19:36 |
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| Hartzi | Sigh.. Can someone tell me how I can get geogoordinates from a mouseclick according to this: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/QtLocation.MapMouseEvent/ | 20:10 |
| Hartzi | I really don't get it ;| | 20:10 |
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| mhall119 | Hartzi: keep in mind those docs are for Ubuntu, even the Qt ones may not align perfectly with what's in Sailfish | 20:14 |
| Hartzi | mhall119: Doesn't matter in this case | 20:15 |
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| jupaja | may some one has an idea http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92495 | 20:36 |
| jupaja | Thanks | 20:36 |
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| dschoepe | Is it me or is Jolla using some kind of obfuscation in their binaries? For instance, I keep seeing a pattern like this when loading string addresses into a register: http://pastebin.com/zYnV6JZD -- or is this some ARM idiom I'm unaware of? | 21:20 |
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| Acce | Does someone know how to make the BusyIndicator work in an app cover? setting running to true makes it visible but it's frozen | 21:27 |
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| coderus | dschoepe: what wrong? just regular addressing | 21:47 |
| coderus | Acce: running: visible | 21:48 |
| dschoepe | coderus: Why does it use that address with something subtracted from it and then add pc to it to inverse the subtraction? | 21:49 |
| dschoepe | wouldn't "ldr r1, aDesktop" work jsut as well? | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | dschoepe: i think we can fairly well say that we haven't had time for obfuscation | 21:50 |
| dschoepe | coderus: oh, I see, it's needed to get to the actual address in memory, nevermind. | 21:50 |
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| dschoepe | Stskeeps: yeah, sorry, my mistake. | 21:50 |
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| artemma | Do you know if Sailfish uses same lipstick as nemo? | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | as in, library? | 21:56 |
| artemma | Stskeeps: yes | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | it does, though sometimes it may be held back at an earlier commit | 21:56 |
| artemma | Thing is QuickLauncher uses same library (well, slightly modified), but apparently start apps in different way | 21:56 |
| artemma | comments in store claim that invoker isn't used | 21:56 |
| artemma | and exactly Browser crashes when I try starting it via LauncherItem::launchApplication | 21:58 |
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| artemma | Though.. hmm, maybe exactly LauncherItem::launchApplication is obsolete and Sailfish uses something else in fact? | 21:58 |
| Hartzi | does anyone know how I can use this on QML: Coordinate MapMouseArea::mouseToCoordinate(MouseEvent event). I want to tranform mouse coordinates to geocoordinates but I don't know the syntax | 21:59 |
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| artemma | hmm.. | 22:00 |
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| * artemma goes to have a look at Browser crashlog and see how Browser is started | 22:00 | |
| artemma | Stskeeps: how do I decode .lzo crashlogs? | 22:02 |
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| artemma | Stskeeps: and BTW crashlogs I've sent to you. Anything useful there? Makes sense to continue sending? | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | artemma: lzop -d i think it was | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | artemma: there's been some good stuff but we're not there yet | 22:03 |
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| artemma | lzop.. some mer specific tool I guess? | 22:04 |
| artemma | ah there's some file compressor called lzop | 22:04 |
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| artemma | hmm, I am trying to launch browser using Exec line from its desktop: "invoker --type=silica-qt5 -s /usr/bin/sailfish-browser %U" | 22:13 |
| artemma | and it doesn't start | 22:13 |
| artemma | libxpcom.so is not found, in /usr/share/applications/libxul.so | 22:13 |
| artemma | invoker: error: Can't send signal 11 to application [31899]: No such process | 22:13 |
| artemma | How does real lipstick start browser then? | 22:14 |
| AL13N | DBUS? | 22:14 |
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| artemma | AL13N: I am looking at lipstick code right now | 22:14 |
| AL13N | or maybe just ENV vars needed | 22:14 |
| artemma | LauncherItem::launchApplication seems to just run that invoker line | 22:15 |
| valdur55 | AL13N: why you don't just type sailfish-browser into terminal | 22:15 |
| artemma | well, that's what my quick launcher does too, using same code, but it doesn't work | 22:15 |
| AL13N | artemma: but, does it use launchApplication? | 22:15 |
| artemma | valdur55: typing sailfish-browser to command line worked | 22:16 |
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| artemma | AL13N: that's the question, I don't know for sure how lipstick starts apps | 22:16 |
| AL13N | maybe strace can tell you | 22:16 |
| artemma | LauncherItem was my guess, but it might be some obsolete way | 22:16 |
| AL13N | or gdb with breakpoints | 22:16 |
| artemma | I can't debug lipstick me thinks | 22:17 |
| artemma | strtace.. never used it before | 22:17 |
| artemma | well, maybe it's time to learn | 22:17 |
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| artemma | AL13N: but don't I need to strace actual lipstick then? Can I do it if it's running already? | 22:18 |
| AL13N | good question | 22:18 |
| AL13N | perhaps gdb is easier to attach it | 22:18 |
| artemma | well, now that Stskeeps confirmed sailfish os uses non-modified nemo lipstick, maybe I ask on nemo channel | 22:18 |
| artemma | I used gdb maybe a couple of times in the past.. | 22:19 |
| AL13N | good idea | 22:19 |
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| artemma | and I don't have ailfish version of lipstick anyway | 22:19 |
| AL13N | asking nemo or a jolla dev would be quite faster | 22:19 |
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| AL13N | or maybe Venemo knows | 22:20 |
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| Venemo | AL13N: sorry, what do I know? | 22:20 |
| AL13N | if apps are launched with lipstick's LauncherItem::launchApplication or not | 22:22 |
| artemma | I am asking at nemo already, I guess that's the proper channel | 22:22 |
| coderus | artemma: xdg-open /usr/share/applications/sailfish-browser.desktop | 22:22 |
| AL13N | artemma: you could perhaps "strace -f xdg-open file.desktop" if you want to find out the inner function calls | 22:24 |
| artemma | coderus: thanks, xdg-open works | 22:24 |
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| artemma | will try stracing it now | 22:24 |
| AL13N | btw: anyone got a VLC build someplace? | 22:24 |
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| artemma | I am still puzzled why lipstick's LauncherItem doesn't actually start app though. Whole idea of reusing lipstick was to reuse launching method that is 100% identical to real lipstick | 22:25 |
| AL13N | i guess you'll find out soon enough | 22:26 |
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| * artemma just found that real lipstick uses same method for detecting whether it's android icon as I do. Checks for presence of "/" in icon id. And I thought that was a silly quick solution :) | 22:29 | |
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| artemma | hmm, lipstick-colorful-home delegates seem to call same launchApplication as I do… maybe some environment differences? | 22:30 |
| artemma | Reading error message when trying to start browser using exec line again: libxpcom.so is not found, in /usr/share/applications/libxul.so | 22:32 |
| artemma | what does this libxpcom do? | 22:32 |
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| AL13N | maybe the LD_LIBRARY_PATH has been set | 22:34 |
| AL13N | and you didn't | 22:34 |
| AL13N | have you tried to find where the libxpcom.so is? | 22:35 |
| artemma | AL13N: doing it now.. | 22:35 |
| artemma | and googling. So far googles only that it's some mozilla object comms model | 22:35 |
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| AL13N | artemma: it's probably a required library for libxul.so | 22:44 |
| AL13N | this means the xpcom.so isn't in the ld.conf paths | 22:45 |
| artemma | AL13N: doesn't tell much to me :/ | 22:45 |
| AL13N | so it can't find it | 22:45 |
| artemma | and I am not sure why it's needed at all | 22:45 |
| AL13N | so you need to find out where that library is | 22:45 |
| artemma | though though.. maybe launcheritem loads it dynamically | 22:45 |
| AL13N | and see if LD_LIRBRARY_PATH is set before execution | 22:45 |
| artemma | find is still running from root | 22:45 |
| AL13N | or from a certain working directory | 22:46 |
| artemma | harbour doesn't allow setting it anyway. Though RPATH might get the same effect | 22:46 |
| * artemma wonders why exactly Browser launching is different | 22:46 | |
| AL13N | no, i doubt that, i'm pretty sure it's a direct symbol requirement | 22:46 |
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| AL13N | if you had ldd you could check with ldd libxul.so | 22:47 |
| * artemma is reading launchApplication code again | 22:47 | |
| AL13N | artemma: ld.so.conf might have relative paths | 22:47 |
| artemma | heck, everything is does is QProcess::startDetached | 22:47 |
| artemma | libxpcom.so is not found on device :/ | 22:48 |
| artemma | ah, it's actually invoker error | 22:49 |
| artemma | and indeed it seems to be using libxul.so | 22:49 |
| artemma | libxpcom.so is not found, in //libxul.so | 22:49 |
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| AL13N | well, xul is pretty important for a gecko browser :-) | 22:50 |
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| AL13N | it would be odd if it didn't have that | 22:50 |
| artemma | so I might need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the process environment that launches browser... | 22:50 |
| AL13N | artemma: you could strace both ways to find out eh differences | 22:50 |
| artemma | ah, so it is a browser crash indeed then, not the invoker's | 22:50 |
| AL13N | strace will tell you for sure | 22:50 |
| * artemma went to search for strace tutorial | 22:50 | |
| AL13N | just run "strace -f command" | 22:51 |
| AL13N | be prepared for a lot of stderr output | 22:51 |
| AL13N | so better redirect to a file | 22:51 |
| AL13N | 2>strace.log | 22:51 |
| AL13N | etc... | 22:51 |
| AL13N | gotta go sleep | 22:51 |
| artemma | trying | 22:51 |
| artemma | AL13N: thanks a lot! | 22:51 |
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| artemma | hmm, strace isn't present on device | 22:52 |
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| artemma | okay, then a working guess is that lipstick uses a particular set of environment variables, that my app doesn't copy, but xdg-open does | 22:53 |
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| Hartzi | okay I found a solution to my problen that I mentioned earlier: map.toCoordinate(Qt.point(mouse.x, mouse.y)) | 23:01 |
| Hartzi | and it took 4 f*cking hours. Some parts of the QT documentation are totally useless sh*t.. | 23:03 |
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| artemma | arrgh, I'll just call xdg-open from the launcher | 23:31 |
| artemma | still don't get what's the environment difference that matters | 23:31 |
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| artemma | maybe difference is in that real lipstick is run by root | 23:41 |
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| artemma | though can't see why it would change how libraries are searched | 23:41 |
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| artemma | no real lipstick is run also by nemo | 23:44 |
| artemma | just with some extra command line arguments about keyboard | 23:45 |
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