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| peppelakappa | someone must write a beginner's guide to sailfish + qml & c++ :-/ | 12:51 |
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| coderus | peppelakappa: is Qt Assistant lack of information? | 13:02 |
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| coderus | peppelakappa: or you want ot start developing with sailfish and never developed before? | 13:02 |
| peppelakappa | coderus: the second option | 13:03 |
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| peppelakappa | i worked with iOS and a little bit with android, never done anything with qt-like OSes | 13:03 |
| coderus | peppelakappa: you should read same guides for Qt5 and QML as desktop/any other platform uses | 13:04 |
| coderus | peppelakappa: its Qt | 13:04 |
| peppelakappa | coderus: mh, blackberry 10 docs are ok? | 13:04 |
| coderus | peppelakappa: any, but not BB :D | 13:04 |
| coderus | BB uses Cascades | 13:05 |
| coderus | start from reading Qt Assistant | 13:05 |
| peppelakappa | lol, isn't cascades like qt? | 13:05 |
| coderus | build hello world app | 13:05 |
| peppelakappa | i'll do | 13:05 |
| Bloob2 | there are plenty of examples with the Qt SDK (not sailfish) | 13:05 |
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| coderus | peppelakappa: BB made good Cascades, but it almost incompatible with other QML/UI techniques, no QApplication and etc. | 13:05 |
| Bloob | as for QML + C++, http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtqml/qtqml-cppintegration-topic.html | 13:06 |
| phlixi | Bloob: is this included within the sailfosh sdk? | 13:06 |
| Bloob | examples are available for the official Qt SDK, NOT Sailfish SDK (afaik) | 13:07 |
| peppelakappa | coderus: ok, i'll delete all my mental references to cascades lol | 13:07 |
| Bloob | but they are essentially the same, apart from the silica components | 13:07 |
| faenil | coderus, I recommend trying with local MerSDK, as I don't know the many restrictions that there could be in the VM | 13:08 |
| phlixi | what i mean, if i install the sailfish sdk, are the ones for qt (without silicia) included? | 13:08 |
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| peppelakappa | phlixi: as far as i see, no | 13:09 |
| phlixi | thanks, | 13:09 |
| phlixi | that means we have to install both, correct? ;-) | 13:09 |
| coderus | phlixi: you can build without silica, but for Sailfish/Nemo ;) | 13:09 |
| coderus | faenil: aaaaaaargh >.< | 13:10 |
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| faenil | ?? :O | 13:10 |
| peppelakappa | ragequit? lol | 13:10 |
| faenil | looks like that :D | 13:10 |
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| peppelakappa | looks like we'll have a stable version of sailfish for n9 and n950 too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEKKcKq1OEg | 14:03 |
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| sequantz | nice! | 14:13 |
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| raa70 | sweeet | 14:51 |
| raa70 | soo | 14:52 |
| raa70 | how long does it take to get one for noteII | 14:52 |
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| peppelakappa | raa70: *a lot* | 14:58 |
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| Frye | Hmm, I am trying to learn this UI stuff with the qt example samegame. When the game ends I push a dialog to catch the name of the player if he get's to "top scores" list. Once that is done I would like to display a list of current top scores. Both of these work separately fine. | 17:08 |
| Frye | Eg I can display the score list when the score was not high enough to get to the list | 17:08 |
| Frye | Or I can get the dialog to show if the player gets to the list. | 17:09 |
| Frye | But for some reason I cannot show the high scores after the username is been asked. | 17:09 |
| Frye | I think it is trying to push the high scores page too soon to the pagestack before the dialog is actually closed. | 17:09 |
| Frye | Is there a way to detect this delay? | 17:09 |
| Frye | And only push new page when the previous transition has been completed? | 17:10 |
| zuh | Frye: you can use onStatusChanged signal of the page to wait for the transition: https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-page.html#status-prop | 17:13 |
| zuh | or that of the dialog I guess: https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-dialog.html#status-prop | 17:14 |
| Frye | yeah, I need to figure out how to check that form the js. | 17:15 |
| Frye | I am opening the dialogs from javascript | 17:15 |
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| Frye | Ah, I think I might need to use the pageStack.replaceAbove. | 17:24 |
| Frye | But then again that does not seem to be available form .js | 17:26 |
| Frye | argh | 17:26 |
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| faenil | https://twitter.com/lbt_/status/409771709474934786 | 20:09 |
| faenil | have a look guys :) ^ | 20:09 |
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| sledges | yay! \o/ | 20:30 |
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| M4rtinK | wow, Mer OBS is crazy fast :D | 21:39 |
| M4rtinK | the old COBS interface was quite slow | 21:39 |
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| sledges | +1 | 21:44 |
| sledges | actually it downloads tarballs slower than it compiles | 21:44 |
| Yaniel | haha | 21:45 |
| sledges | (sadly tarballs do take quite an unexpected while of big projects (100MB takes 45min..) | 21:45 |
| * sledges is talking about the tar_git engine fwiw | 21:45 | |
| M4rtinK | btw, anyone having issues with "have choice for bluez-configs needed by bluez: bluez-configs-mer bluez-configs-sailfish" ? :) | 21:46 |
| M4rtinK | the package I'm trying to build (espeak) does not directly depend on bluez, so I guess this is some internal issue with the Sailfish target :) | 21:46 |
| sledges | (..continuing tar_git bit: and github might be the bottleneck tbh) | 21:50 |
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| M4rtinK | hmm, adding bluez-configs-sailfish to BuildRequires helped | 21:56 |
| M4rtinK | any body interested in trying out espeak ? :) | 21:57 |
| M4rtinK | http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/MartinK:/sailfish/sailfishos_1.0.0.5_latest_armv7hl/armv7hl/espeak-1.45.15-1.7.1.armv7hl.rpm | 21:58 |
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| phaeron | sledges: not sure if the cache is turned on in the backend. usually only first clone is slow | 22:03 |
| phaeron | ( for tar_git ) | 22:03 |
| phaeron | but yes I expect bandwidth to be the bottleneck | 22:04 |
| phaeron | sledges: if your tarball is big it might help if you use .gz compression not bz2 | 22:04 |
| phaeron | if your git -> tarball size that is | 22:05 |
| sledges | phaeron: qtbase it was, and took time on every rebuild.. | 22:07 |
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| sledges | *to get that .tar.bz2 to show up on files' list | 22:07 |
| phaeron | so cache is not enabled | 22:07 |
| * faenil has just realized who phaeron is... | 22:08 | |
| faenil | now I can to bed :D | 22:08 |
| phaeron | faenil: :) | 22:08 |
| ottulo | you accidentally the verb | 22:08 |
| faenil | ottulo, ? | 22:08 |
| phaeron | sledges: not sure if there is enough space to enable it on backend. I'll ask lbt | 22:08 |
| ottulo | faenil: read your line again and find the verb :) | 22:09 |
| faenil | ottulo, it is at the end, where it should be :) | 22:09 |
| ottulo | the line after that | 22:09 |
| faenil | ottulo, ah lol :D | 22:09 |
| ottulo | :P | 22:09 |
| ottulo | well, I guess I'll also to bed | 22:10 |
| faenil | ahaha | 22:10 |
| faenil | yeah | 22:10 |
| faenil | it's time to bed | 22:10 |
| ottulo | erm | 22:10 |
| faenil | hahah | 22:10 |
| ottulo | there that actually works as a verb | 22:10 |
| faenil | yes, intended ;) | 22:10 |
| ottulo | "#jollamobile - bedding you since 2013" | 22:10 |
| faenil | :D | 22:11 |
| ottulo | ack, wrong chan name | 22:11 |
| faenil | ottulo, this is sailifosh os btw | 22:11 |
| faenil | lol | 22:11 |
| faenil | ottulo, we'd better to bed I'd say :P | 22:11 |
| ottulo | I guess that just emphasizes my bedding need | 22:11 |
| faenil | yeah | 22:11 |
| ottulo | I agree, night o/ | 22:11 |
| faenil | bbl people | 22:11 |
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| piggz | using the alpha2 sdk...how to i actually make an arm rpm? seems like it refuses to do it for arm | 22:13 |
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| Nanodesu | Guys | 22:14 |
| Nanodesu | Is possible to install SailfishOS on VirtualBox? | 22:14 |
| Nanodesu | I want to try it | 22:15 |
| Frye | piggz, Select ARM target, Clean the project and then deploy. | 22:15 |
| Frye | I mean ARM target for the Deploy phase | 22:16 |
| Frye | So ARM->debug/release->ARM. | 22:16 |
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| Nanodesu | Frye: but I don't have the .iso | 22:20 |
| piggz | Frye: ah, thanks! | 22:20 |
| Nanodesu | where can I get it? | 22:20 |
| Frye | Nanodesu, if you install the SDK it will create the virtual machine for the emulator. | 22:21 |
| Frye | You just need to have the virtualbox binaries installed. | 22:21 |
| Frye | sdk can be found from https://sailfishos.org/develop.html | 22:21 |
| Nanodesu | woooo | 22:22 |
| Nanodesu | so awesome! | 22:22 |
| Nanodesu | thank you very much Frye | 22:22 |
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| sledges | thanks phaeron | 22:28 |
| sledges | long time no hear from you :) | 22:28 |
| sledges | wb | 22:28 |
| phaeron | thanks | 22:28 |
| Frye | I guess I need to look into OBS | 22:28 |
| phaeron | were hectic times | 22:28 |
| Frye | Absolutely no clue what it is :D | 22:29 |
| Frye | except that I think it's some kind of package build system but that's it. | 22:29 |
| sledges | all well what ends well | 22:29 |
| phaeron | hopefully :) | 22:30 |
| sledges | Frye: it's an awesome beast :) and gives you repos with packages/apps that go straight into your jolla/n9 | 22:30 |
| Frye | hehe | 22:31 |
| Frye | I think I looked some of it up few years back | 22:31 |
| Frye | but it was all new with the meego stuff and I just did not have the time | 22:31 |
| Frye | So basically if I want to publish a package without putting it to the stores OBS is the way to go? | 22:31 |
| sledges | opensuse ftw :) | 22:32 |
| sledges | yes | 22:32 |
| Frye | I have this samegame tuned for sailfishos. | 22:32 |
| Frye | Might end up in the obs then. Or as a free one to store. No idea yet. Or it might just stay as my learning project :D | 22:33 |
| sledges | and it compiles bloody fast and errorless (im getting errors when compiling big things with sdk's mb tool) | 22:33 |
| Frye | I'm having hard time with the ui stuff. I open a dialog. And when it closes I need to push a new page to pageStack, but it errors that transition is still ongoing. | 22:35 |
| Frye | And I cannot seem to figure out how to check/wait for the transition to complete on .js before pushing new page. | 22:36 |
| Frye | But I'm too tired now to look further. Maybe tomorrow. | 22:36 |
| sledges | can ask in #qml too, maybe you'll get answered overnight :) | 22:37 |
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| Frye | Ah, that's one place I'm not yet on. | 22:40 |
| Frye | I'll try there tomorrow. I'm too tired if someone responds me now. | 22:40 |
| Frye | And it IS something I should figure out. | 22:40 |
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| M4rtinK | hmm, looks like I've just built postgres... | 23:07 |
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| lbt_ | M4rtinK: so espeak hangs | 23:38 |
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| M4rtinK | lbt: you tried to run it ? | 23:39 |
| M4rtinK | lbt: (I'vefixed the build in the meantime) | 23:39 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/8538433 | 23:39 |
| M4rtinK | lbt: thanks! :) | 23:40 |
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| lbt | general PSA for on-device tools: ssu ar mer-tools; pkcon refresh; pkcon install strace | 23:41 |
| lbt | gets you most of mer-tools | 23:41 |
| lbt | well, all of it from some snapshot point :) | 23:41 |
| M4rtinK | good to know (well, once my device arrives :) ) | 23:42 |
| M4rtinK | first of all, I think I'll try to pull newer espeak | 23:43 |
| M4rtinK | could be some pulseaudio incompatibility | 23:43 |
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| lbt | new package also fails | 23:44 |
| M4rtinK | well, I've not uploaded it yet :) | 23:45 |
| lbt | :) | 23:46 |
| lbt | I'm off to bed now anyhow | 23:46 |
| lbt | I'll try it during the week if you let me know - also see if it works on SDK emulator | 23:47 |
| lbt | it should (provided you get some sound - the SDK's a bit borked with sound iirc) | 23:47 |
| M4rtinK | lbt: ok, good point :) | 23:48 |
| M4rtinK | lbt: and thanks a lot - for the target & for help ! :) | 23:48 |
| lbt | np ... I would really like to see some of this promoted to some kind of community repo | 23:48 |
| lbt | no idea how to manage it yet (it's quite complex) - but we can make a start | 23:49 |
| M4rtinK | lbt: yeah, it could work like a very nice community repo | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | lbt: should be much better & easier to use & more transparent than the old Maemo autobuilder | 23:52 |
| lbt | *nod* ... meego COBS was a good model I think | 23:52 |
| M4rtinK | lbt: yeah, I'Ve used it quite a lot | 23:53 |
| M4rtinK | lbt: learned to use OBS on it actually :) | 23:53 |
| M4rtinK | something like OBSized Maemo Extras would be really cool :) | 23:53 |
| lbt | yup | 23:54 |
| M4rtinK | or even just a community maintained repo one could submit packages | 23:54 |
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| lbt | meego cobs had an idea about community QA'ed area | 23:54 |
| M4rtinK | well, Apps4MeeGo kinda worked like that | 23:54 |
| M4rtinK | but was too unstable, not well known & generally not working well | 23:55 |
| M4rtinK | & probably too complicated for many developers & users | 23:55 |
| M4rtinK | now thinking about it, we might now even need Devel | 23:56 |
| M4rtinK | *not even | 23:56 |
| M4rtinK | as users can easily add individual developer repositories | 23:56 |
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| M4rtinK | just testing, where package would need to pass a build test (builds on vanilla extras), some rmplint & co | 23:57 |
| M4rtinK | and after passing community QA it would be admitted to Extras | 23:58 |
| M4rtinK | so that's my 2 € cents :) | 23:58 |
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