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| mfulz | hi I just ordered a jolla phone today and downloaded the sdk for a quick look | 00:46 |
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| mfulz | now I'm wondering on how I could compile / deploy projects without the qt creator? Does anybody know about a tutorial or something? | 00:46 |
| wmarone_ | have you signed up for the mailing lists? | 00:48 |
| mfulz | not till now | 00:48 |
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| mfulz | now :) | 00:54 |
| mfulz | I'll send my request to it - thanks | 00:54 |
| wmarone_ | yeah, more likely to be seen there | 00:57 |
| wmarone_ | activity here is really cyclical due to how much focus is in EU | 00:57 |
| mfulz | ok np | 00:57 |
| mfulz | so gn8 wmarone :) | 00:58 |
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| kontio | TheBootroo: you packaged a x86 intel binary... that does not install on device, harbour-citybikeme-0.4-1.armv7hl.rpm will be rejected... | 08:31 |
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| TheBootroo | kontio: nope, it's ARM deploy method | 08:48 |
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| TheBootroo | unless the sdk has bugged badly | 08:48 |
| kontio | TheBootroo: the sdk can mess up... if the binary is already there, then make wont build it again... | 08:49 |
| kontio | so you should always first clean the project | 08:49 |
| TheBootroo | erf damned | 08:49 |
| TheBootroo | i'm at work | 08:49 |
| TheBootroo | i can't rebuild it | 08:49 |
| TheBootroo | SDK won't work here becuase of corporate poroxy | 08:49 |
| TheBootroo | *proxy | 08:50 |
| TheBootroo | kontio: do you have SDK ? could you rebuild it ARM for me | 08:50 |
| kontio | TheBootroo: sorry I'm quite busy here atm... but if I find some time I would ping you... | 08:51 |
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| TheBootroo | kaltsi: hi ! | 09:16 |
| TheBootroo | kaltsi: i fixed my rpoxy issue i think | 09:16 |
| TheBootroo | kaltsi: simply using sudo ssh -D 80 6N from inside the mer sdk VM myuser@myproxy | 09:17 |
| * artemma looks at harbour dashboard. 27 apps submitted yesterday. So maybe next iteration my Flashlight has chances to be reviewed before the sales start | 09:17 | |
| artemma | it would be so cool to have two apps published on the day one | 09:17 |
| locusf | artemma: go go go :) | 09:18 |
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| artemma | locusf: that's more like kontio: go go go :) | 09:19 |
| artemma | meaning that he's the closest guy to harbour I know here | 09:19 |
| locusf | hehehe :) | 09:19 |
| artemma | and the ball is on their side now | 09:19 |
| locusf | you'll get em through :) | 09:20 |
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| TheBootroo | well in fact it didn't fixed the main issue " | 09:21 |
| TheBootroo | i f***ckin hate proxies | 09:21 |
| TheBootroo | :-( | 09:21 |
| TheBootroo | ruins my job on daily basis | 09:21 |
| kaltsi | TheBootroo: try this.. login as root to the emulator and set the http_proxy and/or https_proxy environment vars.. then run zypper ref | 09:23 |
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| TheBootroo | kaltsi: still doesn't work | 09:31 |
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| TheBootroo | still have "System management is locked by the application with pid 4266 (zypper)." | 09:32 |
| TheBootroo | kaltsi: and then "Project ERROR: Could not connect to MerSDK Virtual Machine. Timeout waiting for reply from server." | 09:32 |
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| kaltsi | :( | 09:33 |
| kaltsi | did the zypper refresh work? | 09:33 |
| TheBootroo | nope | 09:33 |
| kaltsi | what happened there? | 09:33 |
| kaltsi | so you set the env variables and.. | 09:33 |
| TheBootroo | i think it don't care about env vars | 09:33 |
| kaltsi | zypper does read them | 09:33 |
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| TheBootroo | kaltsi: zypper blocks ~30sec and then "Timeout on 'http://releases.sailfishos.org/sdk/latest/nemo/adaptation-x86-common/i486/repodata/repomd.xml'." | 09:35 |
| kaltsi | can you access that file with your browser? | 09:37 |
| TheBootroo | kaltsi: yeah but only with the proxy setup correctly | 09:38 |
| TheBootroo | contains checksums and timestamps | 09:38 |
| kaltsi | zypper uses libzypp which uses libcurl.. afaik, curl handles the http_proxy envs correctly | 09:38 |
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| kaltsi | if you want to try to debug it, you could try playing with 'curl' in the emulator to see if you can set the environment vars correctly in order to download that file | 09:38 |
| kaltsi | once the environment is good for curl, it should be good for zypper too | 09:39 |
| TheBootroo | kaltsi: curl -G doesn't work | 09:39 |
| TheBootroo | but adding the -x http://myproxy:port works | 09:39 |
| TheBootroo | so i think curl doesn't read HTTP_PROXY env var | 09:40 |
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| TheBootroo | kaltsi: setting proxy=http://myproxy:port in .curlrc works fine now i can curl -G without -x option, but zypper still blocks | 09:47 |
| kaltsi | it doesn't probably read .curlrc which is for the curl commandline client | 09:48 |
| TheBootroo | kaltsi: are you sure it uses curl ? | 09:48 |
| kaltsi | yes | 09:48 |
| TheBootroo | erf | 09:48 |
| TheBootroo | kaltsi: libcurl doc says "libcurl respects the environment variables http_proxy, ftp_proxy, all_proxy etc," | 09:49 |
| TheBootroo | which seems not being the case | 09:49 |
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| cos- | hello, what's the remedy for "Fatal: This specfile does not have the qtc_* macros defined"? | 09:53 |
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| TheBootroo | kaltsi: where does rpm build create rpm inside the VM ? | 09:57 |
| TheBootroo | kaltsi: maybe i can copy them manually, cause it seems they are created but QtC can retreive them | 09:58 |
| TheBootroo | ok resubmited, i think i got the packages | 10:01 |
| TheBootroo | Tomáš Drastich is here ? | 10:03 |
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| artemma | Flashlight is for 18 hours in QA. Still hoping for review before the launch moment.. | 10:13 |
| TheBootroo | finally received my invite to webshop | 10:14 |
| TheBootroo | you know what ? i'm happy | 10:15 |
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| hardcodes | Already had the invite for the webshop but can't checkout :-/ | 10:18 |
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| kaltsi | cos-: when you open a project which has a yaml file with qt creator, it will create a spec file that has the qtc_* macros | 10:46 |
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| lukedirtwalker | Hi guys as i could finally order my Jolla I started to port an app, here comes my first question: How can I enable links in a TextArea ? | 12:07 |
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| artemma | Flashlight app was rejected, because light is stable enough only if "the finger covers the cam lens"! Yes, and there's big label on screen telling that flashlight works in dark conditions! And app descriptor says it too! And it does work well in dark conditions! | 12:27 |
| * artemma frustrated | 12:27 | |
| stephg | boo | 12:27 |
| artemma | shall I resubmit app as "DARK ENVIRONMENT flashlight"? :) | 12:28 |
| artemma | kontio: do you think it could make a difference? | 12:29 |
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| kontio | artemma: I doubt, sorry | 12:30 |
| artemma | oh well.. | 12:30 |
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| artemma | oh well, I was anyway going to tune numbers for better functioning even in a light environment once I get device to hands.. just not on a day one then | 12:31 |
| * artemma doesn't even have a shop login info yet though.. 2nd wave | 12:31 | |
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| artemma | Could somebody, please, try http://bit.ly/flashlight14 | 14:36 |
| artemma | That's no new build, I am just trying to figure the version for promotion that works best (despite being rejected from harbour). This version should have flashlight controllable from app cover | 14:37 |
| kaltsi | artemma: tried on device, works nicely from app cover | 14:39 |
| artemma | kaltsi: thanks! Then I promote it to twitter :) | 14:40 |
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| kaltsi | :) | 14:40 |
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| Fleda | artemma: how do you build the rpms? deploying as rpm for the i486 target creates a .i586.rpm but building for armv7hl doesn't seem to be creating any rpm files | 14:49 |
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| artemma | Fleda: it does for me :) | 14:49 |
| artemma | Switch to mer, clean, build deploy | 14:49 |
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| TheBootroo | Fleda: don't use deploy as RPM for ARM, use "Deploy ARM method", and don't forget to clean/rebuild before deploy | 14:51 |
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| nodevel | Hello. I have following problem with deploying my app in the SDK: | 15:35 |
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| nodevel | I have freshly installed SDK, my app set for armvhl target. When I run the emulator and click Deploy (as rpm), it fails with "Fatal: deploy must have a valid --device" | 15:37 |
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| TheBootroo | nodevel: don't use it | 15:38 |
| TheBootroo | they should do a BIG disclaimer about this | 15:38 |
| TheBootroo | "We must not use 'deploy as rpm' unless we have a real device, for harbour use 'deploy arm method' | 15:39 |
| TheBootroo | i spent 2 hours of my life yesterday for this | 15:39 |
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| nodevel | TheBootroo: Thank you very much! I have literally spent hours trying to figure this out last week. | 15:41 |
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| TheBootroo | nodevel: i know, i tried many thing too | 15:42 |
| nodevel | in my case it resulted in rpm's with 'armvhl' in the name, later rejected from the harbour for being non-arm | 15:43 |
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| TheBootroo | yeah cause you must clean directory before build esle it takes the emulator x86 binary | 15:46 |
| TheBootroo | i had the same issue, my app VityBike was rejected today | 15:47 |
| TheBootroo | *CityBike | 15:47 |
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| nodevel | I figured it was something like that, but couldn't find the workaround. I'd have to submit it again anyways because of the new app naming scheme. | 15:50 |
| nodevel | thanks again, you saved my day :) | 15:50 |
| TheBootroo | you're welcome | 15:53 |
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| hardcodes | Has anyone successfully completed the purchase in the online store? | 18:07 |
| Bysmyyr | yep | 18:07 |
| Bysmyyr | but maybe #jollamobile is better channel to that guestion | 18:08 |
| hardcodes | Ah, I will change | 18:08 |
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| thesignal | hi there. i got rejected because of: Desktop file ./usr/share/applications/harbour-ohm.desktop is missing | 18:13 |
| thesignal | where do i need to change something, so this file will be included? | 18:14 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | thesignal: hum ... did your generated RPM package contains the desktop file | 18:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because it should with the template | 18:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if not, use a desktop.files = myfile.desktop / desktop.path = /usr/share/applications/ | 18:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and INSTALLS+=desktop | 18:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | in the .pro file | 18:17 |
| thesignal | ok | 18:18 |
| thesignal | thanks, i'll try that Sfiet_Konstantin | 18:18 |
| thesignal | ah, Sfiet_Konstantin i already have this in y .pro file | 18:18 |
| thesignal | desktop.files = harbour-ohm.desktop | 18:19 |
| thesignal | desktop.path = /usr/share/applications | 18:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | thesignal: tried compiling an RPM, and uncompressing it to see if the file is in ? | 18:19 |
| thesignal | no | 18:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | checked if INSTALLS have desktop in it ? | 18:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | thesignal: please do that | 18:19 |
| thesignal | it has | 18:19 |
| thesignal | kk | 18:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the best is to do this to see | 18:19 |
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| thesignal | Sfiet_Konstantin: it's in the rpm | 18:23 |
| thesignal | in /usr/share/applications/ | 18:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | thesignal: try submitting again | 18:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or contact developer-care | 18:24 |
| thesignal | ok, thanks | 18:24 |
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| piggz | what are the chances of soon after todays announcement that we will get sailfish on n9[50] (for device testing only ofcourse ;)? | 18:28 |
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| thesignal | i'm using the same filename as before, but now i get invalid file name?? | 18:36 |
| thesignal | harbour-ohm-1.0.0.rpm | 18:36 |
| thesignal | isn't that valid? | 18:36 |
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| thesignal | okay. figured it out. i renamed my package to | 18:40 |
| thesignal | harbour-ohm-1.0.0-r1.rpm | 18:40 |
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| coderus | piggz: zero | 19:34 |
| piggz | coderus: why so low? | 19:35 |
| piggz | i already had limited success using the jolla arm repo on top of nemo | 19:36 |
| coderus | piggz: first demo image uses x11 sailfish version. | 19:36 |
| coderus | piggz: currend wayland-nemo status isnt okay | 19:36 |
| piggz | its not too bad is it? its broken atm for input tho | 19:36 |
| coderus | piggz: most of hw drivers and acceleration | 19:37 |
| coderus | piggz: it really needs official work to have sailfish port | 19:37 |
| FabianS | Hm. How current is the Jolla SDK you can download? | 19:37 |
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| piggz | sure | 19:37 |
| FabianS | Is it far behind the version of sailfish shipped on the phones? | 19:37 |
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| coderus | piggz: only jolla have drivers for harmattan, but most are x11 blobs and should be rewritten for wayland | 19:38 |
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| coderus | FabianS: it have only development content | 19:38 |
| coderus | FabianS: its SDK | 19:39 |
| FabianS | meh. | 19:39 |
| FabianS | Well, it contains an emulator and a version of the OS. | 19:39 |
| coderus | FabianS: no | 19:39 |
| FabianS | It definitely did the last time I checked. | 19:39 |
| coderus | FabianS: ARM target contains only build target | 19:39 |
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| FabianS | Well, my laptop is not ARM. | 19:40 |
| coderus | FabianS: it doesnt dontain any platform data | 19:40 |
| FabianS | I would like to see something of the OS. | 19:40 |
| coderus | FabianS: you comparing with Jolla Phone or your laptop? | 19:40 |
| FabianS | Not just some sample apps. | 19:40 |
| FabianS | Does sailfish have an app sandboxing concept like Android has? | 19:41 |
| coderus | FabianS: well, x86 contains some core OS things | 19:41 |
| coderus | but not ARM | 19:41 |
| FabianS | With methods for IPC and data sharing? | 19:41 |
| coderus | FabianS: i dont think so it have something similar in current release | 19:42 |
| Eztran | IIRC Dalvik apps are sandboxed at least. Doubt native ones are. | 19:42 |
| FabianS | Meh, that's bad. | 19:42 |
| coderus | FabianS: it should be added after Harbour can accept paid apps | 19:42 |
| FabianS | I think the intents-system is the best thing about Android. | 19:42 |
| coderus | *(actually Harbour will accept paid apps AFTER this will be done, obliviosly)* | 19:43 |
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| piggz | maybe nemo will be good enough for testing plain qml apps | 19:44 |
| coderus | piggz: well, i hope we can install most of sailfish arm repository packages on nemo | 19:46 |
| piggz | coderus: i presume all packages shipped with phone will be in the repos? | 19:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | right | 19:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | started planning here | 19:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ... | 19:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | someone already installed the SDK version on a nemo N950 | 19:47 |
| piggz | Sfiet_Konstantin: i did once | 19:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so I won't be surprised to have a quick n dirty "port" since the product is available | 19:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and since we have Faenil as our nemo trojan horse / infiltrate at Jolla | 19:48 |
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| coderus | piggz: sure. | 19:51 |
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| piggz | lo jstaniek! | 19:55 |
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| wentknweqt_ | can the jolla phone record phone calls? | 21:06 |
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| ZogG_laptop | and new channel ah? | 21:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | wentknweqt_: don't know | 21:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not out of the box | 21:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | maybe an app | 21:14 |
| wentknweqt_ | Sfiet_Konstantin, do you have one? | 21:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | wentknweqt_: I used one | 21:15 |
| wentknweqt_ | i'm going to the #jollamobile chan. didn't know there was one. ty | 21:15 |
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| sharpneli | Good evening. | 21:18 |
| sharpneli | I'm trying to deploy a nice test app on my brand new shiny Jolla phone but it seems that the current sailfish SDK cannot really produce arm binaries as of this moment, is this correct? | 21:18 |
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| sharpneli | Ah cancel that. The SDK just bugged out after selecting the target. | 21:23 |
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| sharpneli | Aaand first simple test proggie deployed and working. Way faster and simpler for normal desktop linux guy compared to Android/iOS. | 21:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sharpneli: you can't compare to iOS: iOS sdk don't work onlinux :D | 21:30 |
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| sharpneli | True :) | 21:31 |
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| union[] | when is jolla making available the sources of the opensource components of sailfishos? | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | a lot of it is already available in Mer and Nemo | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | as git trees, already today | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | sailfishos = mer core + nemo mobile mw + sailfish ui + hardware adaptation | 21:51 |
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| w00t | (github.com/nemomobile, github.com/nemomobile-packages, github.com/mer-packages) | 21:57 |
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| union[] | yes, but Jolla might have applied patches to mer packages... take debian for instance, they add some patches to the software they are using and they make available the full sources ('original' upstream sources + patches) | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | nop, pretty stock | 22:01 |
| union[] | are sailfish ui and silica ui components proprietary software? | 22:05 |
| FabianS | union[]: Yes. | 22:05 |
| w00t | union[]: the patches we make are generally in those repositories. we don't take open stuff closed, as a general rule of thumb | 22:05 |
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| aknight | mer/nemo packages as you see them are what sailfish uses. they do sometimes have patches on top of the upstream, but all patches are in github (and pushed upstream at best-effort intervals) | 22:06 |
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| sharpneli | Is the android compatibility stuff part of Sailfish or an addition by Jolla? | 22:07 |
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| Yaniel | neither | 22:07 |
| sharpneli | Licensed by Jolla then? | 22:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | indeed | 22:09 |
| union[] | FabianS: if Silica components are proprietary software, it means software written for SailfishOS won't work "as is" on Nemo mobile | 22:12 |
| FabianS | Yes. | 22:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | union[]: indeed | 22:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | though if you have splitted view and logic enough it should work | 22:15 |
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| prometoys | hi, what happens when you switch the white cover with the orange first-one-cover? | 22:20 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | prometoys: magic ? | 22:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I don't know :D | 22:30 |
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| prometoys | i saw a video, where nothing happened after the user switched the cover | 22:32 |
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| wentknweqt_ | what phones can i run sailfish on? | 23:09 |
| Yaniel | the jolla | 23:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | wentknweqt_: there is no way right now | 23:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | except on jolla | 23:11 |
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| wentknweqt_ | shut up and take my money | 23:15 |
| artemma | thesignal: ping | 23:16 |
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| SaleIntend | hi all. Any docs about Sailfish security ?? | 23:18 |
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| Venemo | wow, that was quick | 23:26 |
| Yaniel | I've seen worse | 23:27 |
| prometoys | anybody with a jolla here? | 23:30 |
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| lpotter | yes | 23:36 |
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| prometoys | lpotter: mhh, forgot my question ?!? | 23:37 |
| * prometoys is confused | 23:37 | |
| prometoys | lpotter: ahh, did you try to install a android app without the yandex.store? | 23:38 |
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| lpotter | I have yes | 23:38 |
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| lpotter | other android stores will work, and clicking on apk download installs | 23:40 |
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| DonkeyHotei | is there a way to build a sailfish os image for random hardware, for testing? | 23:42 |
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| prometoys | lpotter: thanks, and how is the yandex,store? | 23:43 |
| Yaniel | and does this infamous other half do anything interesting? | 23:44 |
| lpotter | yandex is ok. better if you are in Russia. | 23:46 |
| lpotter | Yaniel: it has the potential to, but the cover that comes with it only has an nfc tag that downloads an ambience | 23:47 |
| Yaniel | okay | 23:48 |
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| prometoys | thx | 23:54 |
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