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| Bloob | ah, nvm the brain always finds the solution a moment after asking, apparently "native" is not a acceptable context property | 05:28 |
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| rcg | huzza to sdk update :D | 11:28 |
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| Nicd- | sdk update? | 11:29 |
| Nicd- | was there a new one? | 11:29 |
| rcg | just received an e-mail via the sailfish list that the sdk will be updated today 13:00utc | 11:29 |
| cybette | https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-October/000845.html | 11:30 |
| sledges | that explains the sailors' dead silence :D | 11:30 |
| rcg | :D | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | it's not dead silence, it's more like tired mumbling | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:30 |
| Nicd- | oh, nice | 11:31 |
| rcg | Stskeeps, lol | 11:31 |
| sledges | ;) | 11:31 |
| sledges | well, well done! | 11:31 |
| Nicd- | nice of you to release it while I'm in an exam so I can spend my time reading for it and not playing with the sdk :) | 11:31 |
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| artemma | SDK will now have two targets available.. made me realize I was building with i486 kit so far | 11:37 |
| artemma | how is it even possible if emulator is ARM machine? | 11:37 |
| artemma | it is ARM, isn't it? | 11:37 |
| kaltsi | nope | 11:37 |
| kaltsi | it's i486 :) | 11:37 |
| artemma | so it's not a hardware emulation then, but i486 port that just happens to run inside a tightly controlled VM environment? | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | artemma: it's sailfish for i486 running with LLVMpipe opengl es | 11:38 |
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| fk_lx | jake9xx: hi! Thanks for annoucement! | 11:48 |
| sledges | happy with release notes fk_lx ? ;) | 11:50 |
| sledges | i.e. changelog | 11:50 |
| fk_lx | sledges: hehe, of course ;-) | 11:51 |
| sledges | looks nice :) | 11:51 |
| sledges | indeed | 11:51 |
| jake9xx | fk_lx: np, the good stuff is on the way as well :) | 11:51 |
| sledges | :Q__ | 11:52 |
| fk_lx | btw. JollaHQ twitter account is silent about that :-) cybette and jukkaeklund are probably both busy | 11:54 |
| fk_lx | :-D | 11:54 |
| jukkaeklund | busy lurking :p | 11:55 |
| fk_lx | jukkaeklund: :-D | 11:56 |
| jukkaeklund | we have a Plan, as always | 11:56 |
| fk_lx | jukkaeklund: yeah, yeah .... :-P | 11:57 |
| cybette | ^_^ | 11:58 |
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| saildev | Oh, nice.. Finally we get the correct resolution. ;) | 12:00 |
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| saildev | Let's see how my applications look like after the resolution change.. That's the frighten part ofthe update I suppose. *crossed fingers* | 12:02 |
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| faenil | inspiration for Jolla marketing team | 12:10 |
| faenil | https://www.pathofexile.com/purchase/ | 12:10 |
| sledges | faenil: tl;dr ;) | 12:11 |
| faenil | sledges, don't read, see | 12:11 |
| faenil | supporter packages with very cool additions | 12:12 |
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| faenil | based on how "supportive" you are ehehe | 12:12 |
| sledges | other halves :D | 12:12 |
| faenil | who knows... | 12:12 |
| faenil | I also suggested to use their updates model | 12:13 |
| faenil | weekly blog post from developers | 12:13 |
| fk_lx | hehe :-) | 12:13 |
| faenil | with technical details | 12:13 |
| Yaniel | seriously | 12:13 |
| faenil | but it seems that hasn't made its way within jolla :( | 12:13 |
| Yaniel | somebody just take an hour per week to write about what has been done etc and post it to blog.jolla.com for example | 12:14 |
| Yaniel | you could even take turns writing | 12:14 |
| faenil | exactly | 12:14 |
| faenil | I mean, it's not like it takes days | 12:14 |
| Yaniel | and the community has been asking for it since.. ever | 12:15 |
| Nicd- | opera does that with their browser, I quite liked it | 12:15 |
| Nicd- | not every week but every dev release which was pretty often | 12:15 |
| jake9xx | Yaniel: good idea, it actually somewhat happens but here and there is always information that is not to be shared yet.. so some kind of filtering should be done :) | 12:15 |
| * faenil pew-pews jukkaeklund and cybette | 12:15 | |
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| Yaniel | I know | 12:15 |
| Nicd- | does the SDK have location APIs yet? or a way to fake them easily | 12:16 |
| Yaniel | but even if it was just a summary of patches submitted to mer and nemomobile | 12:16 |
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| Yaniel | as those are clearly public | 12:16 |
| faenil | exactly | 12:16 |
| Yaniel | it is something | 12:17 |
| Yaniel | specifically something YOU have done | 12:17 |
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| faenil | and something that keeps public interested in what you're doing | 12:18 |
| jukkaeklund | faenil, Yaniel, I don't disagree (bloggin etc.) | 12:18 |
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| jukkaeklund | except I'd like blog.sailfishos.org more | 12:19 |
| Yaniel | maybe some highlights from twitter or irc, depending on who writes | 12:20 |
| faenil | jukkaeklund, sure, whatever | 12:20 |
| Yaniel | it is jolla that people expect things from atm | 12:20 |
| Yaniel | but why not | 12:20 |
| faenil | though Yaniel has a point | 12:20 |
| Yaniel | but then there should be a link to it on jolla.com | 12:20 |
| jukkaeklund | because what goes into sailfish is also more than just Jolla | 12:21 |
| Yaniel | one that you can't miss | 12:21 |
| Yaniel | sure | 12:21 |
| Yaniel | but sailfish progress is something that I know you can publish without problems (to a great extent at least) | 12:22 |
| Yaniel | and it is still mostly considered a Jolla thing | 12:23 |
| Yaniel | (and sailors probably know more Jolla-specifics that may or may not make sense to mention in a blog) | 12:23 |
| saildev | I love the idea for blog.sailfishos.org. Easier way to get in touch with the updates and changelogs even for the smallest ones. | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | fwiw there's rpm changelogs in the images if you guys are bored | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:25 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, I think you're failing to see what we mean :P | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | yes, sorry, didn't read entire conversation :) | 12:27 |
| faenil | :) | 12:27 |
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| jake9xx | Nicd-: location api is currently part of the beta sdk, but it is tied to licensing stuff which need to be agreed etc.. | 12:29 |
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| Nicd- | jake9xx: ok, thanks for the response | 12:31 |
| Nicd- | been thinking about a geocaching app for sailfish... | 12:31 |
| saildev | Nicd-: You won't steal my idea for the application once we get the location API. >:) | 12:32 |
| jukkaeklund | that would be awesome | 12:32 |
| jake9xx | Nicd-: you should look how Qt 5.2 location API's work, that's pretty much same story on c++ level. Also you can already make QML property bindings to them. | 12:32 |
| jukkaeklund | geocaching | 12:32 |
| Nicd- | saildev: huh? | 12:32 |
| Nicd- | jake9xx: ok, I'll take a look | 12:33 |
| saildev | Nicd-: Don't take it in a bad way.. But I've been thinking to create same kind of application. :) | 12:35 |
| Nicd- | then we should do it together :P | 12:36 |
| saildev | ;) | 12:36 |
| Nicd- | I'm also quite content even if someone else does it, but someone needs to. geocaching is usually the app I use most on my phones | 12:37 |
| Nicd- | if you don't count the builtin basic apps | 12:37 |
| saildev | I've worked alone for my other applications and I think I prefer it that way. Besides I have done some sketching for it and designing it for few weeks and doing my homework for the research part to get the most of it. | 12:38 |
| saildev | But I don't even have time to start making it within a few month because I think that my music library application takes a lot of my time - and wine cellar as well. | 12:39 |
| saildev | What do you mean if I count the buil-in basic applications? | 12:39 |
| Nicd- | I mean that excluding the builtin basic apps (phone, contacts, calendar etc) and probably the browser, geocaching is usually the app I use most | 12:41 |
| saildev | Ah, I see. Yeah well geocaching ain't the most important one for me but I like challenges and create something people need. I try to do everything for this community to help it grow. :) | 12:42 |
| Nicd- | as long as it's open source and I can contribute, I'm happy | 12:44 |
| saildev | Let's see where it goes. ;) | 12:45 |
| saildev | But now I'm off to eat and after it it's time to install the update. | 12:45 |
| saildev | See ya! | 12:45 |
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| Nicd- | downloading... | 13:06 |
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| jake9xx | ok, website updated (sailfishos.org that is) | 13:13 |
| jake9xx | we had interesting situation with my local computer's git being out of sync with our git repository | 13:14 |
| jake9xx | I'm sorry for the extra delay & possible confusion. Now the links work ok. | 13:14 |
| faenil | jake9xx, so, manual removal of old alpha is still needed? | 13:14 |
| Nicd- | situations with git are always interesting | 13:14 |
| jake9xx | faenil: no, if you have Alpha-Qt5. If you still have Alpha for some reason, then yes | 13:15 |
| faenil | jake9xx, what about some hint here ;) https://sailfishos.org/ | 13:15 |
| faenil | as that is written nowhere in the website :) | 13:16 |
| jake9xx | feanil: true, it's on known issues list (lame reply, sorry for that) | 13:16 |
| faenil | jake9xx, np, just trying to give useful feedback ;) not a problem for me :) | 13:17 |
| faenil | if one visits website now he thinks he has to remove the alpha, even if he already has qt5, as it's still Alpha | 13:17 |
| fk_lx | jake9xx: is the newest version still called Alpha SDK? | 13:17 |
| fk_lx | faenil: good point | 13:18 |
| fk_lx | faenil: that might be indeed confusing | 13:18 |
| jake9xx | fk_lx: it's Alpha still, Alpha-Qt5 to be exact. The WIP was 'update2' but we did not want too long filename there. | 13:19 |
| jake9xx | fk_lx: there is a Beta coming u know :) | 13:19 |
| fk_lx | jake9xx: hehe :-) | 13:20 |
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| faenil | jake9xx, do you have a CI system for the website as well? :D | 13:24 |
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| Nicd- | hmm, if I quit Qt creator while the build VM is still running, the VM is left on | 13:28 |
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| kaltsi | Nicd-: which qtcreator build do you have 'About qt creator and revision from there' | 13:32 |
| kaltsi | help/about qt creator that is | 13:33 |
| locusf | hmm has anyone else ran into trouble with openssl-devel not being installable? | 13:34 |
| Nicd- | From revision 88f905a914 | 13:34 |
| Yaniel | cool, the updater started looking more sailfish-y | 13:34 |
| kaltsi | Nicd-: that is the correct one.. and which host environment linux/mac/win? | 13:34 |
| simbrown | what have I missed with the following. When trying to update the i486 toolchain in the sdk I get: | 13:36 |
| simbrown | File './oss/noarch/sdk-target-configs-0.50-10.15.2.jolla.noarch.rpm' not found on medium | 13:36 |
| kaltsi | locusf: which sdk version.. installs for me | 13:37 |
| simbrown | in the sdk control centre I'm trying to update SailfishOS-i486-x86 | 13:38 |
| kaltsi | simbrown: did you start the updater from qtc.. help/start updater.. it will replace your build engine | 13:38 |
| Nicd- | kaltsi: mac | 13:39 |
| simbrown | kaltsi: Yes, this is after doing that | 13:39 |
| Nicd- | os x 1.6.8 | 13:39 |
| kaltsi | simbrown: mm there should not be updates available for the toolchain :P | 13:39 |
| kaltsi | simbrown: where are you geographically, I wonder if some caches have not been updated | 13:40 |
| jake9xx | faenil: well, somewhat yes | 13:40 |
| simbrown | kaltsi: Sorry not toolchain, Targets | 13:40 |
| jake9xx | targets & the whole package is built from recent jolla baseline | 13:41 |
| simbrown | kaltsi: UK | 13:41 |
| locusf | kaltsi: newest SDK updated today | 13:41 |
| locusf | kaltsi: refreshing repos helped | 13:41 |
| kaltsi | ok | 13:42 |
| kaltsi | Nicd-: it should prompt if it notices that the mersdk VM is running when you close qtc, but maybe it doesn't notice it always | 13:42 |
| Nicd- | kaltsi: the first time I ran mersdk, it used 100 % cpu for around 10 minutes before I killed it, after that it has started fine | 13:43 |
| Nicd- | but when building I got various errors. don't have time to look through them now, sorry, I have to head for my exam | 13:44 |
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| Nicd- | I'll try to get back to you later, maybe tomorrow, when I have more time | 13:46 |
| kaltsi | ok | 13:46 |
| Nicd- | if I still have issues | 13:46 |
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| kaltsi | sure | 13:46 |
| kaltsi | simbrown: I don't see updates to the two targets (SailfishOS-*) here.. so, interesting :) | 13:50 |
| simbrown | kaltsi: Okay I'll forget about it for a while and see what happens then | 13:50 |
| kaltsi | simbrown: almost looks like your Sailfish* targets have not been refreshed or reinstalled.. because the latest sdk-target-configs is 0.57-* | 13:50 |
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| kaltsi | simbrown: but it's a good idea to wait a while and check the situation then | 13:55 |
| locusf | so no deployment on ARM devices yet? | 13:56 |
| kaltsi | yep, no sailfish device out there yet :) | 13:56 |
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| locusf | I do have my N9 primed for Qt5 + Wayland | 13:56 |
| saildev | locusf: Still Jolla doesn't support N9 - at least not yet. :) | 13:57 |
| locusf | saildev: the technologies are already there though and working | 13:58 |
| locusf | we just needs Jolla's lipstick home | 13:58 |
| kaltsi | there might be a hackish way to do the deploy, but it's not in the official sdk release | 13:58 |
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| kaltsi | simbrown: yep that version of the sdk-target-configs you see is the old version.. so it seems that your sdk sees the updated repositories because the repo urls use 'latest', but your repository index files have not been refreshed | 14:12 |
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| simbrown | kaltsi: so su | 14:12 |
| kaltsi | i.e. 'zypper refresh' has not been run | 14:12 |
| simbrown | bah, fat fingers | 14:12 |
| kaltsi | one thing to check.. do you now see two targets Sailfish* armv7hl and i486? | 14:12 |
| simbrown | so ssh to the sdk andrun zypper refresh? | 14:13 |
| simbrown | kaltsi: Yes, the arm target is uptodate | 14:13 |
| kaltsi | ssh to sdk and run: sdk-manage --refresh-all | 14:13 |
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| kaltsi | you can run that as mersdk or root | 14:14 |
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| simbrown | kaltsi: I've restarted the sdk and I'm no longer prompted to update the i486 target, must have been some temporary glitch. | 14:17 |
| kaltsi | ok .. good/bad :) | 14:17 |
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| jake9xx | simbrown: also these are the wonders of internet cloud services... everything "should" be all right but then you discover that some remote replica of x.y.z did not have up-to-date-cache | 14:37 |
| simbrown | jake9xx: I'll try and temper my enthusiasm next time and wait a few hours :-) | 14:42 |
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| jake9xx | simbrown: actually you one of our best testers - you spot immediately something we have propably so many times over and over so we cannot react to it anymore... | 14:53 |
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| Morpog_PC | 349 points in html5test.com on webview | 15:36 |
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| saildev | Hey guys.. After the update I'm not able to run my application. | 16:20 |
| saildev | First of all I'm not able to run the emulator if I've chosen ARM and if I try i486 and use "Debug as RPM package" (I have imported QtQuick.XmlListModel 2.0 so that's why) it won't start the application and gives me an error on Compile output. | 16:22 |
| saildev | The errors I get (three last rows) are: "19:17:13: The process "/home/saildev/.config/SailfishAlpha2/mer-sdk-tools/MerSDK/SailfishOS-i486-x86/deploy" exited with code 7." / "Error while building/deploying project qt5_musiclibrary (kit: MerSDK-SailfishOS-i486-x86)" / "When executing step 'Rpm'". | 16:23 |
| saildev | Any ideas? | 16:23 |
| saildev | And I'm using Ubuntu 13.10 32-bit. | 16:23 |
| Jonni | saildev: have you added "Requires: qt5-qtdeclarative-import-xmllistmodel" in your spec file? | 16:24 |
| saildev | Jonni: In my .yaml file. | 16:24 |
| saildev | And I have installed the package. | 16:25 |
| Jonni | then Im out of ideas, other than restart qtcreator and it vm's | 16:26 |
| Jonni | and rsync deploy works? | 16:27 |
| saildev | Hmm.. Maybe I try to restart the whole computer. :) | 16:28 |
| saildev | Hold on a sec.. | 16:28 |
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| saildev | I still haven't been able to run my application after the update. | 17:09 |
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| saildev | 'm not capable to start the emulator if using ARM and with i486 I get errors. | 17:11 |
| saildev | I've uninstalled the whole SDK and did a fresh install but haven' helped. | 17:12 |
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| saildev | Does any other have a kind of a red circle if using ARM build? | 17:17 |
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| saildev | I can start the Mer VM but not the actual emulator. | 17:18 |
| Jonni | have you clicked shadow build option in arm vs i486? | 17:21 |
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| Jonni | if you havent, then you need to clean the build tree when switching targets | 17:22 |
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| saildev | what do you mean by shadow build option? | 17:22 |
| Jonni | projects->build->general-> box of shadow build | 17:23 |
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| Jonni | if you dont build in different dir then your mixing up arm and x84 object files and you end up in a mess | 17:24 |
| saildev | And how do I clean the build tree? | 17:25 |
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| Jonni | Build->CleanAll | 17:27 |
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| saildev | Okay, thank you. | 17:27 |
| saildev | And do I need to save this after I've ticked Shadow build? | 17:29 |
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| saildev | Or do I need to change the directory of it? | 17:30 |
| saildev | It says "A build for a different project exists in /../, which will be overwritten." | 17:30 |
| Jonni | usually you make a new dir for the build, like project_shadow_arm or something | 17:32 |
| Jonni | and project_shadow_x86 | 17:32 |
| saildev | Okay.. And how do I save it? If I just leave it and come back it's vanished. | 17:33 |
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| saildev | It doesn't matter what directory I place in it it still gives me the same notification. No matter I just created it and it holds absolutely nothing in it. | 17:36 |
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| Jonni | its a bug. Well anyways, as there are no public arm devices out there that you can run stuff on yet, you are better of just by using x86 and clean all. | 17:42 |
| saildev | Well, the i486 gives me an error that I can not use it. | 17:42 |
| saildev | Like I said I use XmlListModel so I need to run it as a RPM package. | 17:43 |
| Jonni | even when you run clean all 1st? | 17:43 |
| saildev | Hmm, let me try again. | 17:43 |
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| saildev | No matter I tried Clean all it still gives me the same errors. | 17:50 |
| saildev | And I'm using i486, RPM and I have installed qt5-qtdeclarative-import-xmllistmodel and placed it in .yaml file. | 17:51 |
| Jonni | saildev: might be that old project are not compatible anymore, you might need to create a new project and copy files over from old one. | 17:53 |
| saildev | Done that. | 17:53 |
| Jonni | and you have checked that yaml file also copied the required field to .spec file? | 17:54 |
| Jonni | as .spec file is the one which really generates the rpm depencies, yaml is just a helper for generating the .spec | 17:54 |
| saildev | Yup, it's right there. | 17:55 |
| Jonni | then pastebin the whole compile log with errors so someone can make better quesses. | 17:56 |
| Jonni | if you login as root in emulator (left-crtl-f2 and do "zypper se xmllist" do you see xmllistmodel as installed (i-letter in the beginning of row)) | 17:57 |
| saildev | "PackageKit is blocking zypper. This happens if you have an updater applet or other software management application using PackageKit running." | 17:59 |
| saildev | Gives me that one. | 17:59 |
| saildev | Here's the complete output: https://www.dropbox.com/s/zzae8gfhnv2v8zu/SailfishSDK_Error.txt | 18:00 |
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| Jonni | saildev: well your problem is here Fatal error: nothing provides qt5-qtdeclarative-import-xmllistmodel needed by qt5_musiclibrary-0.1-1.i586 | 18:05 |
| Jonni | so either something wrong in yaml or in spec. Maybe copypaste spec file next | 18:05 |
| saildev | 7th line of the code: import QtQuick.XmlListModel 2.0 | 18:05 |
| saildev | Okay, hold on | 18:06 |
| saildev | It's the same file, just updated it. I added the .spec file in the end. :) | 18:07 |
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| saildev | Jonni: Can you find anything? | 18:14 |
| Jonni | you must be somehow unlocky, I just tested to add Requires line to my helloworld and it found and installed xmllistmodel when I deployed helloworld | 18:15 |
| saildev | Hmm.. I just don't get it. I've tried twice to delete the old projectand create a new one and copying the content from my file into it. Not working. | 18:17 |
| saildev | Before the update it worked without any problem | 18:17 |
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| Jonni | one thing that you could try: left-crtl-f2 and login as root, and run "zypper ref" | 18:19 |
| Jonni | as if you have new vm it might be that repository caches have not been updated and thus it doesnt find any packages | 18:19 |
| itbaron | Have you tried to install it directly to the target machine? | 18:20 |
| saildev | Just tried that zypper ref. | 18:23 |
| saildev | If that doesn't work I'll try itbaron's advice. | 18:24 |
| saildev | Ah, that zypper ref helped. | 18:24 |
| saildev | Thank you very much, it is working now like a charm! :) | 18:24 |
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