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| dinsdale247 | So is this where I would come to find out if I can put sailfish on an old lumia 800 I have? | 03:43 |
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| dinsdale247 | I've been pouring over whatever I can find. I can't find a kernel for the qualcomm processor | 03:44 |
| dinsdale247 | or reference on how to plug all the pieces together to make "sailfish" | 03:44 |
| dinsdale247 | I noticed that the Jolla "mark 1" has dual qualcomm plus a whole gig of ram | 03:46 |
| dinsdale247 | is that going to be a minimum spec? I hope not. I'd love to port this to a sony experia arc s as well | 03:47 |
| wmarone_ | dinsdale247: assume that anything running Windows is locked down hard | 03:48 |
| wmarone_ | that said, most devices are fair game for those willing to put in the effort. | 03:49 |
| dinsdale247 | I found a link to a device that reflashes the board on the lumias from 600 - 900 | 03:49 |
| wmarone_ | most android devices* | 03:49 |
| dinsdale247 | is there a how to yet? | 03:49 |
| wmarone_ | dinsdale247: reflashes with what though? I assume Winphone. | 03:49 |
| dinsdale247 | hmm... don't know. pretty new at this | 03:49 |
| wmarone_ | so | 03:50 |
| dinsdale247 | lemme see if I can find the link again | 03:50 |
| dinsdale247 | so the experia arc uses the same processor as the lumia | 03:50 |
| wmarone_ | what OS does the arc run? | 03:50 |
| dinsdale247 | andriod | 03:50 |
| wmarone_ | ok | 03:50 |
| wmarone_ | so there's no real "howto" because it's generally not trivial | 03:51 |
| wmarone_ | generally you start by getting merproject running on your target device | 03:51 |
| dinsdale247 | I'm a software developer at a company that makes arm devices... | 03:51 |
| wmarone_ | so you have an advantage :) | 03:52 |
| dinsdale247 | support for this is easy to come by but I need direction. :D | 03:52 |
| wmarone_ | ok | 03:52 |
| dinsdale247 | I do have an advantage | 03:52 |
| dinsdale247 | ;) | 03:52 |
| wmarone_ | so Sailfish isn't publicly available with ARM builds yet | 03:52 |
| dinsdale247 | okay, so that's step 1? | 03:52 |
| wmarone_ | yes | 03:52 |
| dinsdale247 | would I just use the kernel that is available for the platform. i.e from the vendor? | 03:53 |
| wmarone_ | sure | 03:53 |
| wmarone_ | it's a linux kernel | 03:53 |
| dinsdale247 | yes | 03:53 |
| dinsdale247 | I understood that much | 03:53 |
| wmarone_ | merproject doesn't use the Android-specific additions, but it'll work | 03:53 |
| dinsdale247 | does the kernel not need to be ported to the processor? | 03:54 |
| dinsdale247 | in this case a qualcomm ? | 03:54 |
| wmarone_ | presumably the kernel has already been ported | 03:54 |
| dinsdale247 | alright, I will keep looking for that. (step 1a. lol) | 03:54 |
| wmarone_ | merproject/sailfish don't supply a kernel | 03:54 |
| dinsdale247 | and then I should try and build mer | 03:54 |
| wmarone_ | the nice thing about Mer is that you don't need to build it | 03:55 |
| dinsdale247 | good news. :) | 03:55 |
| wmarone_ | so you'll want to request access to the community OBS server | 03:55 |
| wmarone_ | https://build.merproject.org/ | 03:55 |
| dinsdale247 | sweet | 03:55 |
| wmarone_ | it's a nice tool, albeit a bit confusing | 03:56 |
| wmarone_ | and building a kickstart file that compiles your device image | 03:56 |
| wmarone_ | can you boot off SD card? | 03:56 |
| dinsdale247 | haven' | 03:56 |
| dinsdale247 | haven't got that far yet | 03:56 |
| wmarone_ | ok | 03:56 |
| wmarone_ | that will simplify things greatly | 03:57 |
| dinsdale247 | k. | 03:57 |
| dinsdale247 | The Lumia and the experia seem to be built off the same chipset. I guess I should check at qualcomm? | 03:58 |
| dinsdale247 | find out if the reference design boots from sd? | 03:58 |
| wmarone_ | sure | 03:58 |
| dinsdale247 | k. | 03:58 |
| dinsdale247 | what about a bootloader? | 03:58 |
| wmarone_ | up to you | 03:58 |
| dinsdale247 | k. | 03:59 |
| dinsdale247 | So mer is the "framework layer" (?). Where do I get the sailfish UI from ? | 03:59 |
| wmarone_ | no ARM build of sailfish is available yet | 04:00 |
| wmarone_ | and I don't expect one to be until after their handset is released | 04:00 |
| dinsdale247 | I see | 04:00 |
| wmarone_ | mer is basically the entire linux stack between the kernel and the UI | 04:00 |
| wmarone_ | up to Xorg/wayland | 04:00 |
| dinsdale247 | I sort of understand that. | 04:01 |
| dinsdale247 | so that means I could get an OS running but wouldn't have the UI (i.e. shell only?) | 04:01 |
| wmarone_ | yup | 04:01 |
| wmarone_ | for the next step you could get nemomobile runnign | 04:01 |
| dinsdale247 | okay. | 04:01 |
| wmarone_ | which supplies a lot of the middleware sailfish uses | 04:01 |
| wmarone_ | and has its own UI based on qt quick as well | 04:02 |
| dinsdale247 | and nemomobile is based on qt | 04:02 |
| wmarone_ | yup | 04:02 |
| dinsdale247 | ah. thanks | 04:02 |
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| dinsdale247 | good, that gives me somthing to digest. very exciting to see this getting somewhere | 04:02 |
| dinsdale247 | I've been a huge nokia fan for a very long time so it's nice to see some of that innovation coming out again. | 04:03 |
| wmarone_ | cool | 04:03 |
| dinsdale247 | Thanks wmarone_. TTYL | 04:04 |
| wmarone_ | welcome | 04:04 |
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| dinsdale247 | You still around wmarone_? | 04:26 |
| wmarone_ | yup | 04:26 |
| dinsdale247 | This is the device for Lumias I saw: http://www.fonefunshop.co.uk/cable_picker/97171_Nokia_Lumia__610_/_710_/_800_/_900_JTAG_Test_Point_Cable_Set_For_ATF_%28Pre-Order%29.html#ordernow | 04:26 |
| wmarone_ | hmm | 04:27 |
| dinsdale247 | Anyway, I'm on the build server and I registered for Bugzilla. | 04:28 |
| wmarone_ | that's handy for flashing a bricked phone but I suspect it won't help you boot non-windows OSes on the devices | 04:28 |
| dinsdale247 | hmm. bummer | 04:28 |
| wmarone_ | yeah | 04:28 |
| wmarone_ | I hate locked down deviecs too | 04:28 |
| wmarone_ | though I'd LOVE to have one of those for messing around with device images | 04:29 |
| wmarone_ | perfect recovery | 04:29 |
| dinsdale247 | I wonder how I would find out how to crack a lumia? | 04:29 |
| wmarone_ | swap the CPU probably | 04:29 |
| dinsdale247 | ugh | 04:30 |
| wmarone_ | I'll wager they use TrustZone to sign the UEFI environment | 04:30 |
| dinsdale247 | that's no fun | 04:30 |
| dinsdale247 | ah. I've just started reading about uefi | 04:30 |
| dinsdale247 | k. lame | 04:30 |
| wmarone_ | I do driver work on it at my job | 04:30 |
| wmarone_ | albeit with PCIe devices | 04:30 |
| dinsdale247 | awesome. I'm a windows developer with a chip on my shoulder out to prove I can work with embedded systems and phones | 04:31 |
| wmarone_ | heh | 04:32 |
| dinsdale247 | so should I download mer for i586 and try to get that running in a vm first? | 04:32 |
| wmarone_ | don't know if that'll really help | 04:32 |
| wmarone_ | well | 04:32 |
| dinsdale247 | I can get my hands on a freescale reference board as well if that would be a better starter platform | 04:32 |
| wmarone_ | it would be handy for you to learn how kickstart files work and generate your own images | 04:32 |
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| wmarone_ | again, if you have an Android kernel ready to go for it, you can probably use it | 04:35 |
| dinsdale247 | k. I'll keep that in mind. stumped by something more mundane at the moment... | 04:37 |
| dinsdale247 | I've navigated to the build mer-core:i586:devel | 04:37 |
| wmarone_ | so | 04:37 |
| dinsdale247 | and I can get a listing of rpms. | 04:37 |
| wmarone_ | ok onesec | 04:38 |
| dinsdale247 | do I use my bugzilla account to ftp in and download all of them? | 04:38 |
| wmarone_ | nope | 04:38 |
| wmarone_ | one sec | 04:38 |
| dinsdale247 | thanks. :) | 04:38 |
| wmarone_ | so -you- want to start here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 04:39 |
| dinsdale247 | fantastic. Thank you so much! | 04:39 |
| wmarone_ | that will get you the build environment and walk you through building an image | 04:40 |
| wmarone_ | which is a good start | 04:40 |
| dinsdale247 | So this is what the Sailfish emulator that came with the SDK is built on? | 04:41 |
| wmarone_ | yup | 04:41 |
| wmarone_ | the SDK as well | 04:41 |
| dinsdale247 | awesome. k. page one... | 04:42 |
| dinsdale247 | :) | 04:42 |
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| dinsdale247 | Can I ask about getting my app running in qt creator? | 05:06 |
| dinsdale247 | :-1: error: Could not connect to MerSDK Virtual Machine. Connection refused | 05:09 |
| dinsdale247 | But it starts the emulator? | 05:10 |
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| dinsdale247 | If I leave the emulator running, it just starts a second instance and gives me the same error? | 05:10 |
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| dinsdale247 | Goodnight, thx again. | 05:17 |
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| asys3 | hi, can anyone help me, what's wrong with my sdk installation? I get a emulator connection error after compile/run while the emulator-vm itself is up, running and connection test passed in the qtcreator settings... | 07:57 |
| asys3 | qt-Creator-Buil-Error-Message: ":-1: Fehler:Could not connect to SailfishOS Emulator Virtual Machine." | 07:58 |
| asys3 | got it - was my fault. in qt creator the emulator button on the bottom left was not pressed. | 08:01 |
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| ericcc | hi lbt is here? | 13:48 |
| Yaniel | he's probably having fun since it's weekend | 13:52 |
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| ericcc | i forgot today is weekend | 13:58 |
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| Kondou | Is there any way to find out which icons are available (for covers)? | 15:55 |
| Kondou | I have an update coveraction | 15:55 |
| Kondou | and icon-l-repeat isn't the best one imo | 15:55 |
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| shiwu_kabigon | Hi everyone, how can I interact with the Phone contacts(read / write) with a sailfish os app ? | 17:08 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | hi shiwu_kabigon ! | 17:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | right now ... there is no API | 17:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but you might get interested in QtContacts | 17:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | wait a sec | 17:36 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | no doc :/ | 17:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sorry shiwu_kabigon | 17:38 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | maybe you should read Qt Mobility Qt Contacts doc | 17:38 |
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| shiwu_kabigon | okay, that's a good hint, thx Sfiet_Konstantin :) | 17:40 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | but sailfish will use Qt Contacts | 17:40 |
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