Sunday, 2013-09-29

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DarkSimHow is Sailfish doing?00:14
Yanielswimmingly AFAIK00:15
DarkSimSo no real bubbles lately?00:16
Yanielbeen a low tide00:18
DarkSimDon't be shellfish00:19
Yanielnah, I expect quite a wave once they release the first device00:19
DarkSimI hope it will make a splash00:19
Yaniel..or if they released an image for say some nexus, but that isn't floating around...00:20
DarkSimThat won't be easy sailing...00:21
Yanielyeah, too many rocks under the surface00:27
DarkSimI hope they don't end up sleeping with the fishes00:29
Yanielso do I, would be a pity to see the most promising system of the decade sink00:29
DarkSimWould be sad to see Sailfish end up in Davy Jones' Locker00:30
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YanielI don't think we will, since Jolla said that it floats without aegis.00:38
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DarkSimI'm sorry if I can't continue to talk about this vast topic, but I have a voyage to attend to00:53
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m4g0ghello16:08
m4g0gI have error on ,y code: "FirstPage.qml:65: ReferenceError: enrtyTags is not defined" when roleNames [PocketEntriesModel::Tags] = "entryTags"; In what does this problem may be?16:09
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artemmacreated my first ever public repo on github. Primitive Wikipedia app for Sailfish for now :) https://github.com/amarchen/Wikipedia17:48
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ottulothis could be handy, thanks!18:02
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ottuloI'm a real noob when it comes to Qt-programming (or programming in general), and I like to look at examples :)18:02
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artemmathen you may like to have a look at https://github.com/sailfishapps18:05
ottuloyeah, I've skimmed through that but it was a while ago - might be more to study now18:06
artemmaI am not sure who exactly maintains it ( SfietKonstantin?), but they gather there some demos18:06
artemmahalf of them I fail to build on the latest SDK, but the other half works :)18:06
ottuloas soon as I actually have some spare time I can use to practise :/18:06
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Almindorhey18:13
Almindoris it known how apps are going to be packaged?18:13
Almindorhow will extra libraries be handled (e.g. if your app needs some non-by-default installed qt5 thing for example)18:13
rcgAlmindor, if your "non-by-default qt5 thing" is open source, i'd try to get it into mer or nemo18:15
AlmindorI am :)18:16
artemmaRecalling harmattan times, you basically could package in whatever you wanted18:16
rcgi.e. create a package for that lib and then ask e.g. Sage if it's possible and if yes how to add it18:16
Almindorartemma: but as "RPM" or just the lib.so files ??18:16
artemmathat is in the user space18:16
Almindoralso is there any sandboxing?18:16
artemmaI think as lib.so.. but the whole topic is beyond me actually18:17
rcgor better, ask before you package it :)18:17
Almindorwell I packaged it (for i486 so far) :D18:17
rcgAlmindor, that's a good start :)18:17
rcgdo you have access to obs at build.merproject.org?18:18
Almindoryep it's in home:Almindor:qwt18:18
rcggreat :)18:18
AlmindorI'm currently trying to figure out if all the deps can be met for the package itself18:19
Almindorit's a graph/plotter qt5 library18:19
rcgi'd ask Sage then if it is possible to add that to mer or nemo18:19
AlmindorI couldn't find any available for sailfish18:19
rcgthe cool thing, if it is added to mer or nemo is, that we all can benefit from your work then :)18:21
Almindorwell, best test if it even works first :D18:21
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rcghehe, sure :)18:22
ottulowhich database format would be the easiest to pick up to use in a sailfish app in your opinion?18:22
ottuloI don't need anything very advanced, just something simple I can play around with18:23
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artemmaisn't there a LocalStorage already?18:23
ottulowell, in one of the examples it mentioned it needs to be separately installed in the new SDK version18:24
artemmaactually I think from QML/JavaScript you can access two DBs: QtQuick's LocalStorage and HTML5 WebDatabase18:25
artemmaboth might be the same engine underneath..18:25
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artemmahmm, if QtQuick.LocalStorage is not available, you might still be able to use HTML5 one18:26
ottulowell, I guess I'll read up on those18:26
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Almindorrcg: so when is Sage usually around? (also who is he? :D)18:29
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Almindorseems the package is installable in both mer SDK and nemo/emulator18:31
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rcgAlmindor, i think he's more around during the week than on weekends.18:32
rcgAlmindor, so far, whenever i wanted to add/push something to mer/nemo he was always very helpful18:33
rcghttps://sailfishos.org/community.html <- Almindor see Marko there18:33
Almindorthanks, I'll pop in during the week18:33
rcgyw :)18:34
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artemmaQt.openUrlExternally doesn't seem to work18:48
artemmawell, unsurprisingly probably as emulator doesn't have a browser app18:48
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Morpog_MobileInstall cutefox-qt518:53
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artemmaActually open web view inside app could even be better in my case19:02
artemmajust showing links inside the About dialog19:03
artemmaor maybe not :)19:03
artemmaLooking at how pages render inside WebView I wonder how it identifies itself. google.com for example, serves desktop version to it19:04
artemmanot that it was so interesting that I'd actually checked, just wondering19:04
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artemmaDo you know if there is a set of some system string constants somewhere (planned for theme maybe?)19:17
artemmaFor example right now I am doing a search box for the Wikipedia app, sure I replace Enter button with Search or Go! and it works great except if user switches to non-US keyboard19:18
artemmait would be cool to have a localized source of some standard OS constants like this one of for various OK-Cancel-Accept dialogs19:19
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artemmaCan you have a system provided cover? If I have nothing special to show, I'd be fine with system just showing a screenshot.19:48
artemmaAt the moment emulator shows cover with text "Default cover" if cover is not set. I wonder if it will become a screenshot on a real device19:49
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M4rtinKwell at least I have expected a live feed from the application window would be the default20:02
M4rtinKor at least configurable20:03
M4rtinKquite often a cover would not be needed and just a live view would be better20:03
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m4g0ghi21:19
m4g0ghow I can transfer data between 2 pages?21:19
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artemmaM4rtinK: live feed can be computationally expensive even for 1 app, imaging you are running many tasks22:14
artemmaScreenshot is a compromise22:15
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M4rtinKwell, Harmattan managed quite fine22:15
M4rtinKand you are usually not looking at the task switcher for extended periods of time anyway22:16
artemmadid it? I don't remember :)22:16
M4rtinKwell even Fremantle does that :)22:16
M4rtinKon the N900 no less22:17
M4rtinKand Nemo22:17
artemmaFunny how I don't remember that. Anyway, my point was it would be cool to have some default useful active cover when you don't have anything special to show there22:18
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