Wednesday, 2013-06-12

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chriadammvogt: quick question about pagestack push/pop transitions: when the transition occurs, is the frame grabbed (so the content of the pages is static during the transition)?06:22
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mvogtchriadam: no, the positions are animated, that's all06:31
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DracHi guys, where can I find information on building Sailfish on custom hardware?10:08
sledgesDrac, for now Sailfish is only x8610:09
chriadamyou can build the Mer core and Nemo stuff on other archs10:09
sledgesgetting basic bring-up is trivial if you have an Intel device10:09
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Dracso intel atom would be the best bet?10:10
sledgesany Intel really10:10
sledgesas long as it's not i386 :D10:10
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sledgesDrac, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Sailfish#Devices10:12
DracI'm working on an robotics project and the pilot will be using multiple touch screen, joysticks, etc. to control it. Would Sailfish be the best option for this if I strip out the non essentials?10:13
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sledgessailfish is a UX, under the bonnet there is Nemo and Mer10:14
sledges(Nemo MiddleWare)10:14
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sledgeswill your robot have an LCD to display UI ?10:14
t7"Sailfish is only x86"10:15
t7wut10:15
t7i thought jolla phone was arm10:15
sledgest7, *publicly available for the time being10:15
t7why is arm build private ?10:15
Dracthere are a few touch screen, one 17", 2 12" and several 10" ones.10:16
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sledgest7, I can't anymore answer this - a good10:20
sledgesquestion! :D10:20
sledgesDrac, sailfish is an OS for interactive devices, think mobile phones and the like10:20
t7the reason i didnt like android is because the development process wasnt very open10:20
t7seems this is the same...10:20
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Dracwhat would you recommend I use then?10:22
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sledgessailfish is appealing because of its looks (their qt-components called 'silica')10:23
sledgesmaybe it's possible to strip out the middleware and still get the ui10:23
sledgesthe slimmest solution for you Drac is to take mer image with qml-viewer to start with10:24
sledges(qmlviewer that is)10:24
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sledgesbut that won't give you silica look'n'feel10:27
sledgesonly a qt/qml (Nemo-ish) UI10:27
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sledgest7, jolla massively contributes to Nemo, which is 100% opensource and crossplatform10:31
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DracI'll do some investigation on that, but what I know from QT it can be styled.10:32
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t7sledges: still doesnt change the situation10:32
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sledgesandroid has 100% opensource playground: AOSP and community ROMs (cyanogenmod etc)10:34
Stskeepswell10:34
Stskeepsthere's still closed source fwiw10:34
sledgesHA bits, they're closed source everywhere10:34
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sledgesSailfish being open on x86 means only app devs are happy. Porters to other devices arent..10:35
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sledges(also including app developers who want it on an arm phone in their pocket; emulator isn't quite enough, don't you think so?..)10:37
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sledgesso the question is, will the sailfish arm port ever be released? as I'm getting the impression it might not be..10:38
Yanielif jolla expects the community to port it to N9 they kind of have to, no?10:39
Stskeepswell, if you guys weren't hardcore enough to get it running with qemu-dynamic-x86.. ;p10:39
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sledgesthe challenge is that sailfish stack will start depending on new kernel features10:41
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sledgesand n9 open kernel is not maintained - community's kernel hackers will need to do lots here firstly10:42
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sledgesbut I'm sure as soon as this is announced, many of those will step up!10:42
dm8tbrwell, the good thing is, that there is the kernel checker to see what's missing10:43
sledgesdm8tbr, what about kernel API (CONFIG_ is there, but ways of talking to it have changed etc)10:43
dm8tbralso I think I saw someone mentioning wayland recently, that could be interesting too10:43
sledgesat any rate, mer-kernel-checker will do come handy (pointing out how many man hours of forward-porting to come :D)10:44
dm8tbrAFAIU kernel never intentionally breaks userspace and should always be backwards compatible10:44
sledgesthat's what I wanted to hear :))10:44
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sledgeswell, wayland is the only way to go for qt5 iiuc10:45
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dm8tbryeah10:45
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sledgeshmm what `mcompositor` alternative is sailfish using?10:45
sledges:D10:45
sledgesor is it still the good old mcompositor? :)10:45
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Stskeepsyou can see that in emulator10:46
sledgesyes10:46
Stskeepsit was mcompositor, too10:46
sledgeswas?10:46
sledges:)10:46
Stskeepsyes, in the emulator published it was/is mcompositor10:47
sledgesroger10:47
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sledgesso if sailfish is to go qt5 (as nemo is doing), it needs to go wayland, as mcompositor won't do qt5; probably that's what's delaying sailfish arm release10:53
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jake9xxthere might be another compositor?14:24
jake9xxwho is resp. of systemd in mer project in general?14:24
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Stskeepsjake9xx: plundstr has done a lot of work14:30
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jake9xxStskeeps: yeah, I am asking on his behalf actually. It seems the core configs of systemd are not up-to-date14:39
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Stskeepsjake9xx: patches welcome, it's a joint effort14:43
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Stskeeps(as in we dont have dedicated package maintainers)14:45
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jake9xxStskeeps: ok, thing is that this has been going on for some time so chaning it needs a complete testing to pass14:59
jake9xxotherwise something else might break14:59
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Stskeepsjake9xx: yes, we do suitable tests when changes come in, many are caught in build already, others can be tested with localdep15:03
Stskeepshappy to help patches and work along15:03
Stskeepsbbl15:03
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jake9xxsure, we'll put stuff in, let's see15:24
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