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| dcthang_ | why you need 2 virtual machines for emulator?:-) | 10:28 |
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| auri__hm | dcthang_: there is only one VM for emulator | 10:31 |
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| Yaniel | dcthang_: the other VM is for building | 11:14 |
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| Morpog_PC | am I late, or am I the first who notices that Win and MacOS SDK is out? | 16:28 |
| GentSir | Morpog_PC, Nobody else cared :) | 16:28 |
| Morpog_PC | lol | 16:28 |
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| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: first on this channel, congrats, you win a cookie :) | 16:32 |
| Morpog_PC | :-) | 16:32 |
| Yaniel | w00t | 16:34 |
| Yaniel | they are | 16:34 |
| Yaniel | yay \o/ | 16:35 |
| Yaniel | the sailfishos page could use a little css love around the dl links though | 16:35 |
| Morpog_PC | no more SSD hotswapping to boot Ubuntu :-) | 16:35 |
| Yaniel | :3 | 16:35 |
| GentSir | Morpog_PC, you use a mac? | 16:35 |
| Yaniel | *_PC does not exactly imply that IMO :D | 16:36 |
| GentSir | I thought he had least had some self respect :/ | 16:36 |
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| GentSir | I like how the site says "Using" Windows, as if it's implying you don't have a choice in the matter. | 16:37 |
| Morpog_PC | Nah, Windows, just because I'm used to it.... shame on me ;) | 16:39 |
| GentSir | A moment of silence for our fallen brother | 16:39 |
| Yaniel | well, I have found win7 quite usable... | 16:39 |
| Yaniel | ...for gaming | 16:39 |
| Morpog_PC | and surfing and video editing and photo editing.... | 16:40 |
| Yaniel | meh | 16:40 |
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| Morpog_PC | If I could use all my favorites applications on any Linux, I would change instant. | 16:41 |
| Morpog_PC | Ubuntu was really a pain to use and so slow and laggy compared to Win7. But I'm sure that was Ubuntu's fault. | 16:42 |
| Morpog_PC | and Nvidia's | 16:42 |
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| GentSir | I can't stand ubuntu | 16:43 |
| GentSir | I use Crunchbang | 16:43 |
| GentSir | Debian + Openbox, it's beautiful | 16:43 |
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| lbt | Yaniel: we're supposed to be updating the site entirely. patches welcome though :) | 17:27 |
| Yaniel | cool | 17:27 |
| lbt | Morpog_PC: Congrats on noticing btw :D | 17:27 |
| Yaniel | I'm practically drowning in schoolwork atm so can't really do anything about that | 17:28 |
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| Morpog_ | hmm, MerSDK and emulator VM don't start when clicking the icons in QT Creator | 19:39 |
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| Morpog_ | I feel kinda being spyed on by stkeeps, lbt and co., because my my webcam starts when opening the emulator :-) | 19:53 |
| lbt | does it? | 19:53 |
| Morpog_ | yeah, did on ubuntu as well btw | 19:53 |
| GentSir | It's to get demographic information | 19:54 |
| Yaniel | :D | 19:54 |
| lbt | Morpog_: how much RAM do you have? | 19:54 |
| Morpog_ | 16gb | 19:54 |
| lbt | hmm - tight then.... | 19:55 |
| fk_lx | so the camera turns on because of excess of RAM, it's a feature to check who is so insane to have so much memory :-D | 19:55 |
| * lbt wants an mb that can take 16Gb | 19:56 | |
| lbt | stuck on 8Gb and in swap hell | 19:56 |
| Morpog_ | rofl, I could need more when doing video editing and doing photoshop parallel | 19:56 |
| Morpog_ | HD video cut eats RAM for breakfast | 19:56 |
| * lbt sets up another package build worker in anticipation of many, many apps being built ;) | 19:58 | |
| Yaniel | why would anyone photoshop and edit video in parallel | 19:58 |
| Morpog_ | any clue why the mer sdk and emulator VMs do't start when clicking the icons in QTCreator on Windows? | 19:59 |
| lbt | import images into a video? | 19:59 |
| Morpog_ | exactly | 19:59 |
| lbt | Morpog_: no - and sadly I don't have a windows test box yet | 19:59 |
| Yaniel | well I guess you can eat ram with some VST plugins and midi too | 19:59 |
| lbt | can you start them manually ? | 19:59 |
| Morpog_ | mmmkay, will try to figure out, maybe I shouldn't have changed default installation path | 19:59 |
| Morpog_ | yep manually works, thats why I felt spyed on ;) | 20:00 |
| lbt | Yaniel: the real question is what's wrong with gimp and avidemux ! | 20:00 |
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| Morpog_ | lbt, also doesn't work with default installation path. | 20:29 |
| Morpog_ | damn, shouldn't have formated my SSD with Ubuntu and running SDK on that quick :-) | 20:31 |
| lbt | Morpog_: in what way? | 20:33 |
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| Morpog_ | that I cannot start emu and SDK from QTCreator | 20:34 |
| Morpog_ | also can't build from it | 20:34 |
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| lbt | Morpog_: not good | 20:36 |
| lbt | so you can start the VMs manually ? | 20:37 |
| Morpog_ | yep | 20:37 |
| lbt | and even when you do, you can't build ? | 20:37 |
| Morpog_ | from virtualbox | 20:37 |
| Morpog_ | yep | 20:37 |
| lbt | do the QtC tests work? | 20:37 |
| Morpog_ | tells me VM isn't running | 20:37 |
| lbt | I knew windows support was a bad idea ;) | 20:38 |
| * lbt feels completely useless :/ | 20:38 | |
| Morpog_ | searching that tests, where were they again? | 20:38 |
| lbt | tools options mer/devices | 20:39 |
| Yaniel | hmm maybe I should really give the osx sdk a try | 20:39 |
| lbt | Yaniel: please do - if we can identify any issues that would help | 20:39 |
| lbt | obviously we tested internally but equally obviously it worked there :) | 20:39 |
| Morpog_ | there is no tools menu :-) | 20:40 |
| lbt | Morpog_: are you on VisualStudio ? | 20:40 |
| Morpog_ | errr no, qtcreator | 20:40 |
| lbt | OK, do any menus have 'options' ? | 20:41 |
| Morpog_ | nope | 20:41 |
| Morpog_ | extras | 20:41 |
| lbt | what menus are there? | 20:41 |
| Morpog_ | all german, i try to translate :-) | 20:41 |
| Morpog_ | file, edit, create, debugging, analyze, extras, windows, help | 20:42 |
| lbt | extras sounds good | 20:42 |
| lbt | bottom one there? | 20:42 |
| Morpog_ | preferences | 20:42 |
| Yaniel | almost 1GB at "only" 1MB/s :( | 20:42 |
| lbt | Morpog_: that'll do | 20:42 |
| Morpog_ | there is mer | 20:43 |
| Morpog_ | but no tests | 20:43 |
| lbt | Yaniel: it's a CDN so it should get *much* quicker | 20:43 |
| lbt | Morpog_: 2 buttons - authorize/test ? | 20:43 |
| Morpog_ | http://www.abload.de/img/unbenanntyruft.jpg | 20:44 |
| lbt | ah, and the button at the top right ? | 20:45 |
| lbt | doesn't work and so won't let you test the connection ... | 20:45 |
| lbt | fun | 20:45 |
| Morpog_ | hehe | 20:45 |
| Morpog_ | was it maybe only tested on x86 hosts? | 20:46 |
| lbt | mmm ? | 20:46 |
| Morpog_ | 32bit | 20:46 |
| Morpog_ | x86-64 = 64bit | 20:46 |
| lbt | oh, it's supposed to work on both | 20:47 |
| Morpog_ | supposed ;) | 20:47 |
| lbt | yep - I'm afraid I don't do windows | 20:47 |
| lbt | this is part of the downside of being open with early developement stuff | 20:48 |
| Morpog_ | lets see if others fail too | 20:49 |
| Morpog_ | maybe it's an localization problem with my german Win7 | 20:50 |
| Morpog_ | but such problems should be gone since vista | 20:50 |
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| lbt | there's a tool called merssh included with it | 20:51 |
| lbt | see if you can find that | 20:51 |
| lbt | also check to see what the shared folder settings are | 20:51 |
| Morpog_ | ah great, I tried to ssh in with putty, but it didn't accepted the ssh key | 20:51 |
| lbt | the ssh key is in the SailfishOSSDK folder | 20:51 |
| Morpog_ | i know, but it didn't accept it | 20:52 |
| Morpog_ | wanted a ppk key | 20:52 |
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| lbt | ah, putty may use diffeerent filenames | 20:53 |
| Morpog_ | hmm that merssh.exe doesn't give that many options which help | 20:55 |
| lbt | it's an internal ssh tool | 20:55 |
| lbt | wrapper around Qt ssh code | 20:56 |
| Morpog_ | C:\SailfishOS\bin>merssh -help | 20:57 |
| Morpog_ | merssh usage: | 20:57 |
| Morpog_ | merssh <options> <command> | 20:57 |
| Morpog_ | -sdktoolsdir directory with Qt Creator's target helpers | 20:57 |
| Morpog_ | -mertarget the mer target name | 20:57 |
| Morpog_ | -commandtype ['standard'|'sb2'] | 20:57 |
| Morpog_ | All options are mandatory. | 20:57 |
| Morpog_ | oops | 20:57 |
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| lbt | yeah - pastebin :) | 20:58 |
| rem | guys, really, QT SDK complains that my project is outside of home folder in Windows. What is that ? | 20:58 |
| Morpog_ | rem, can you start the mer sdk and emulator VM from inside QTCreator? | 20:59 |
| Morpog_ | home folder should be your users directory | 20:59 |
| lbt | rem: yes, that's a limitation at the moment - we will fix it | 20:59 |
| rem | yes, I can start VM from QT creator | 20:59 |
| Morpog_ | english windows? | 21:00 |
| Morpog_ | which virtualbox version? | 21:00 |
| lbt | rem: actually - it's not so much a limitation as we haven't written the ui to manage the setup for you | 21:00 |
| Morpog_ | need to find something that differs here | 21:00 |
| rem | english windows, Oracle VM | 21:00 |
| Morpog_ | version? | 21:00 |
| Morpog_ | from Oracle VM? | 21:00 |
| Morpog_ | i got 4.2.6 | 21:01 |
| rem | 4.2.10 | 21:02 |
| Morpog_ | hmm will try to get a newer one then | 21:02 |
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| Morpog_ | rem, thx for info | 21:03 |
| rem | NP, I can also start emulator from QT Creator | 21:03 |
| lbt | rem and does build work ? | 21:03 |
| Morpog_ | sailfishos.org says, minimum required is 4.18, maye that counts for linux only | 21:04 |
| rem | no building fails in example app for the home folder issue, I wonder how I can overcome that | 21:04 |
| Morpog_ | move example app to your user folder? | 21:04 |
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| rem | Compilation goes fine after I moved to home folder | 21:09 |
| Morpog_PC | lbt, you should change the prerequisites on sailfishos.org. With latest Virtualbox version it works | 21:10 |
| rem | Deployment to emulator fails first time, but then goes fine after second try, Looking good so far | 21:10 |
| lbt | Morpog_PC: excellent, ty | 21:10 |
| lbt | rem: OK, good to know that | 21:10 |
| Morpog_PC | hmm, but it doesn't see the emulator running | 21:12 |
| Morpog_PC | building fails then :-( | 21:12 |
| rem | it fails, the first time, second time succeeds. Might be some out of sync with VM | 21:13 |
| Morpog_PC | now it works | 21:14 |
| Morpog_PC | i tested connection to emulator in preferences | 21:14 |
| rem | I wonder if you have some default apps in the emulator, at least a browser ? | 21:14 |
| Morpog_PC | after that the icon got red, which shows that it sees the emulator running | 21:15 |
| Morpog_PC | you can get QMLMozBrowser | 21:15 |
| Morpog_PC | mozilla based QML browser | 21:15 |
| rem | how ? | 21:15 |
| Morpog_PC | you need to get all rpm files for it and install the rpm | 21:16 |
| Morpog_PC | https://build.merproject.org/project/packages?project=home%3Arozhkov%3Abranches%3Anemo%3Adevel%3Aapps | 21:16 |
| Morpog_PC | embedlite-components, nspr, nss, qmlmozbrowser, qtmozembed and xulrunner | 21:17 |
| rem | sounds good, need to try over the weekend | 21:17 |
| Morpog_PC | after all are installed you got a new icon on home screen | 21:17 |
| rem | BTW the SDK fails when trying to update it over Help menu | 21:17 |
| Morpog_PC | on ubuntu i scp'ed em all to the emulator and installed it via ssh with zypper in *.rpm | 21:18 |
| rem | perfect | 21:18 |
| Morpog_PC | not sure how to do it now in windows :-) | 21:18 |
| vgrade | Morpog_PC: zypper ar <qmlmoz_location>.repo then zypper in qmlmoz* | 21:20 |
| Morpog_PC | will try that, but first i try to get winscp and putty to work. need to convert the rsa key | 21:21 |
| rem | http://jolla.cachefly.net/SailfishOSSDK/alpha/repository/windows/Updates.xml?545429700 | 21:21 |
| Morpog_PC | ok, puttygen cannot import the key :-( | 21:22 |
| rem | so when u say you copy the rpms to emulator, you need console to that VM | 21:23 |
| Yaniel | sdk on osx works nicely :3 | 21:23 |
| Morpog_PC | yep, via ssh | 21:24 |
| Morpog_PC | but I fail to do that on windows atm, was easy on linux | 21:24 |
| rem | I wonder why we need a VM for Mer and VM for emulator ? | 21:25 |
| Morpog_PC | mer builds | 21:26 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe easier to debug? | 21:27 |
| Morpog_PC | omg, no copy paste to emulators console | 21:27 |
| Morpog_PC | that repo path is damn long :( | 21:27 |
| rem | yep, I guess was safer to guarantee that all developers would have same environment | 21:27 |
| lbt | Morpog_PC: you'd rarely use the console, ssh makes more sense | 21:31 |
| Morpog_PC | can't get ssh to work :( | 21:31 |
| Morpog_PC | at least not with putty | 21:31 |
| lbt | I'm sure it's doable somehow :) | 21:31 |
| Morpog_PC | will try openssh | 21:32 |
| lbt | rem the build engine is a minimal copy of the exact same build environment we run on our servers and internally - it supports building for a range of arm and even MIPS ports | 21:32 |
| lbt | as well as having numerous tools that can be used by OEMs and advanced hackers | 21:33 |
| rem | lbt: cool stuff | 21:33 |
| lbt | it's also pretty much identical on every single platform that supports virtualisation | 21:33 |
| lbt | which is most of them nowadays | 21:34 |
| rem | how do I get to home screen in emulator ? | 21:35 |
| lbt | have you seen: https://sailfishos.org//core-article.html | 21:36 |
| lbt | https://sailfishos.org//develop-firstapp-navigation.html to | 21:36 |
| lbt | too | 21:36 |
| lbt | or is there a problem? | 21:36 |
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| rem | well yes, I pressed CTRL+F1 | 21:37 |
| rem | and I got to terminal mode, but do not know how to get back to Graphical | 21:38 |
| lbt | hehe | 21:38 |
| lbt | ctrt+f2 ? | 21:38 |
| Morpog_PC | ctrl+f1 should be graphical and ctrl+f2 terminal | 21:38 |
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| lbt | err, yes, that's the right way round | 21:39 |
| rem | perfect, thanks | 21:39 |
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| Morpog_PC | openssh, tells me i got too much rights on the private key feile :-( | 21:41 |
| lbt | on windows side? | 21:41 |
| Morpog_PC | yep, but it tells me that in a unix way | 21:42 |
| Morpog_PC | permissions 0644 | 21:42 |
| lbt | ah | 21:42 |
| Morpog_PC | cygwin based | 21:42 |
| lbt | yep, good system that | 21:43 |
| Morpog_PC | hmm, gave the directory ready only rights for all users, still complains :( | 21:44 |
| lbt | yes, it must not be readable by others | 21:45 |
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| Morpog_PC | hmm, i can't give myself less rights now, or i won't be able to see or read the file | 21:46 |
| Morpog_PC | is that a correct repo format? | 21:49 |
| Morpog_PC | http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/rozhkov:/branches:/nemo:/devel:/apps/latest_i486/home:rozhkov:branches:nemo:devel:apps.repo | 21:49 |
| lbt | yes, should work with : zypper ar | 21:50 |
| Morpog_PC | tellms its not found on medium | 21:52 |
| Morpog_PC | tells me* | 21:52 |
| Morpog_PC | a | 21:53 |
| Morpog_PC | http://www.abload.de/img/unbenanntfiuli.jpg | 21:55 |
| lbt | did you type that by hand? | 21:58 |
| Morpog_PC | yes.... | 21:58 |
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| lbt | apps:/latest should be apps/latest | 21:59 |
| Morpog_PC | omg, I tripple checked it and didn't see it :( | 21:59 |
| Morpog_PC | thx | 21:59 |
| lbt | the : are the obs project structure ... ie his home and a branch of a main repo | 22:00 |
| lbt | then /latest_i486 is the target (ie latest mer, generic x86) | 22:00 |
| Morpog_PC | i'm relatively new to all that linux stuff, but your explanation helps understanding | 22:02 |
| vgrade | Morpog_PC: done that som many times, I ssh in to devices not so I can copy paste | 22:02 |
| lbt | vgrade: we need to find out how to do that with putty and cygwin ssh clients | 22:02 |
| vgrade | those repo addys are a nightmare to type | 22:02 |
| Morpog_PC | vgrade, thats why I tried to get ssh to work in windows | 22:02 |
| vgrade | ah, sry, missed you were on W$Doze | 22:03 |
| Morpog_PC | yeah, on ubuntu it was easy to scp or ssh in | 22:03 |
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| vgrade | I'm using putty here fine for work access | 22:04 |
| vgrade | from work laptop | 22:04 |
| lbt | vgrade: did you miss https://sailfishos.org/ ? | 22:04 |
| Morpog_PC | ah qmlmozbrowser works great :-) | 22:04 |
| lbt | we kinda didn't announce it ... :) | 22:04 |
| Morpog_PC | vgrade, how do you use putty with ssh keys from linux? | 22:05 |
| vgrade | ah windows and mac support cool | 22:05 |
| vgrade | Morpog_PC: not using keys | 22:05 |
| Morpog_PC | well, not an option here :-) | 22:06 |
| vgrade | connection->ssh->Auto gives option for private key | 22:07 |
| Morpog_PC | on putty or qtcreator? | 22:09 |
| vgrade | putty | 22:09 |
| Morpog_PC | auto or auth? :-) | 22:09 |
| vgrade | auth not auto, sry | 22:09 |
| Morpog_PC | that only supports ppk keys | 22:09 |
| vgrade | you've lost me now | 22:10 |
| vgrade | puttygen | 22:11 |
| Morpog_PC | tried to convert the keys from sdk via puttygen, but it doesn't recognize the key format | 22:11 |
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| Morpog_PC | i also tried to use openssh, which complains my key files are not secure, as they have too much permissions. Reduced NTFS rights till readonly and only my own user, but that still failed | 22:13 |
| rcg | Morpog_PC, with respect to permissions | 22:14 |
| rcg | try to also reduce the permissions on the dir the keys are in | 22:14 |
| Morpog_PC | did that | 22:14 |
| rcg | may sound silly but iirc there was something related to that | 22:14 |
| rcg | hmm ic | 22:15 |
| rcg | anyway, gotta get off | 22:16 |
| rcg | good luck with your experiments :) | 22:16 |
| rcg | cya | 22:16 |
| Morpog_PC | thx | 22:16 |
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| Morpog_PC | will also continue on weekend, need to stay up in 5 hours :( | 22:17 |
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