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| GentSir | Morning | 06:14 |
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| situ | Morning | 06:35 |
| iekku | morning | 06:57 |
| GentSir | I see europe is waking up | 07:02 |
| dm8tbr | good moaning | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | if this is awake, i don't want to be alive | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:02 |
| suosaaski | Waking up to yet another day without Sailfish on my phone :( | 07:03 |
| GentSir | suosaaski, amen | 07:04 |
| Stskeeps | you can get your fix from the emulator | 07:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:05 |
| GentSir | I can't wait to get a Jolla phone, though it'll likely be very expensive for me | 07:05 |
| darshak | I have loved Android, but I do have this same urge to get Sailfish as suosaaki and GentSir. | 07:06 |
| suosaaski | Stskeeps: it's out for windows 8 64-bit? ;) | 07:06 |
| Stskeeps | suosaaski: i think there's guides, but i'm unsure | 07:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:07 |
| GentSir | darshak, I use an Android phone just because I consider it the most "open", but it's a right pain to actually develop for. From what I've seen so far with Qt/QML and Sailfish Silica, it's very developer friendly. | 07:08 |
| suosaaski | GentSir: N9 ;) | 07:08 |
| dm8tbr | windows should be similar to what you can do on OSX | 07:09 |
| GentSir | I've owned a G1, Droid 1, Atrix 2, N9, and an e72 as far as smartphones go | 07:09 |
| GentSir | I currently use the Atrix 2 as my everyday device | 07:09 |
| darshak | Agreed! I'd rather say Android is the least closed than most open! :) | 07:10 |
| GentSir | Fair enough | 07:10 |
| GentSir | I thinking of a Blackberry q10 to hold me over until the first Sailfish phone | 07:10 |
| GentSir | and who knows, the "community" might just make a port for the q10 | 07:10 |
| suosaaski | I currently use N9, but am really tempted to get a new phone. Too bad Jolla phone is not out, so now I am considering between iPhone and Lumia... :o | 07:11 |
| GentSir | My mate up north has been using my N9 for the last year, he asked to borrow it after I started using the Atrix and I never bothered to ask for it back | 07:13 |
| darshak | How's N9? They never released it here in India. | 07:13 |
| suosaaski | N9 is too small for my taste, and it has a few bugs that never got fixed, so I really do want a new phone... | 07:14 |
| GentSir | The N9 was the perfect example of what a touchscreen phone should be | 07:14 |
| suosaaski | so, iPhone is the same size, which means that might not be the best option to replace it. | 07:14 |
| GentSir | I'm on at&t here in the US and they carry the Blackberry z10 already for $200, so the q10 will likely be the same when it's released in the next couple months | 07:15 |
| suosaaski | Lumia 920 is available nowhere. 820 might be ok. And I don't like Samsungs cos they are made of the same material as buckets. | 07:15 |
| darshak | lol | 07:16 |
| suosaaski | htc might be ok, but that is not available, either. At least the models I'd want. | 07:16 |
| GentSir | suosaaski, samsung manufactures plastic buckets as well? | 07:17 |
| suosaaski | GentSir: probably, that would explain why their phones feel like plastic buckets. | 07:17 |
| GentSir | I have a friend that had a samsung windows phone, kept it in a rubber slip-cover because he hated the feel of it | 07:18 |
| suosaaski | maybe they do feel better with some sort of protective case/cover, don't know, but at least without they do not feel as pricey as they are... | 07:18 |
| GentSir | I know the old nokias and blackberries felt great | 07:19 |
| GentSir | The e72 had that 'gentleman executive' look to it | 07:19 |
| GentSir | and the q10 looks great as well | 07:19 |
| GentSir | It's better than another slab of cheap plastic with a touchscreen | 07:19 |
| suosaaski | I do like the look and feel of N9. Just not the size. Lumia 920 would be ok, but it is out of stock everywhere. And if they eventually get it in stock some day, it will probably be outdated by then. | 07:20 |
| GentSir | I'm just saddened at the lack of phones with a hw keyboard | 07:22 |
| suosaaski | Lumia 920 is 20e/month, iPhone 5 16GB is 22e/month, Galaxy S4 is 27e/month. | 07:22 |
| GentSir | suosaaski, are you saying your contract price changes by phone? | 07:22 |
| suosaaski | no, that is the phone price | 07:22 |
| GentSir | So those prices are added onto your contract if you want to buy that phone? | 07:23 |
| suosaaski | then the contract price changes by what I want from it. For example around 600mins of talk time, 250sms and unlimited 4G at 21Mbps is 25e/month. About. | 07:23 |
| suosaaski | Yes. | 07:23 |
| GentSir | Here in the US the contract price never changes, you just pay a "down payment" on the phone. Some are $50, though mostly in the $100-200 range. | 07:24 |
| suosaaski | The contract thingy is very different to that in the us where you might pay like 99 dollars for a phone and then the contract only by month. | 07:25 |
| GentSir | So it's actually beneficial to pay that price and let them subsidize a new phone for you every 2 years | 07:25 |
| suosaaski | How much a similar contract be monthly in the us? or how are they priced? | 07:26 |
| GentSir | I'm still on my parents contract, and I pay $40 a month | 07:26 |
| wmarone_ | US contracts are very expensive | 07:26 |
| darshak | wmarone_, indeed | 07:26 |
| suosaaski | most contracts in here have a "package" of a set amount for call time/sms monthly, and then what goes over that is priced separately, for example 0,1e/min | 07:27 |
| wmarone_ | my minimalist service with AT&T is still $55/mo | 07:27 |
| GentSir | One minute, I'll price up an at&t contract that'll show how much I'd pay if I was on my own contract | 07:27 |
| suosaaski | yeah, that's what I though. | 07:27 |
| GentSir | My price on my own contract would be $110 a month | 07:28 |
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| suosaaski | :o | 07:29 |
| suosaaski | what would that contain? | 07:29 |
| suosaaski | (110 dollars is around 85 eur) | 07:30 |
| GentSir | 500 monthly minutes, 3gb of data(I have 2gb but it's changed for new customers), and unlimited texting | 07:30 |
| GentSir | But since I'm on a line added to my parents contract I pay $40 a month | 07:30 |
| suosaaski | ok... so for example if I were to buy a Lumia 920 for 20e/month, then get that 600min/250sms/4G with unlimited data, that would make it a total of 45e month. | 07:31 |
| suosaaski | or 1200min/1000sms/unlimited 4G at 21Mbps that would be 50e/month. | 07:32 |
| GentSir | suosaaski, that plan includes getting a brand new blackberry z10, that I'd pay $200 up front for and is "subsidized" by the contract price | 07:33 |
| GentSir | But the thing is, even if I continued with that phone after the 2 year lock-in I'd still be paying the $110 a month price | 07:33 |
| suosaaski | But I currently do not need such, so my contract is 13e/month with 250min/100sms/1GB limited. | 07:33 |
| GentSir | I barely ever hit 512mb of data a month, but the only option below 2gb was 200mb at $15 a month | 07:34 |
| GentSir | US cell pricing is absurd | 07:35 |
| suosaaski | the same for me, which is why I am just fine with my 1GB limit... :) | 07:35 |
| suosaaski | last month I got 170MB or so. | 07:35 |
| suosaaski | And it doesn't matter if it goes past that limit, it just gets slower. No extra cost. | 07:35 |
| GentSir | 200mb was $15 a month with $10 per 200mb if I went over. While 2gb was $25 a month and $10 per GB if I went over | 07:36 |
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| GentSir | The data is slightly old in this, but it shows just how freaking much US carriers overcharge for texting: http://weakonomics.com/2009/05/07/text-messaging-is-the-biggest-scam-of-the-21st-century/ | 07:40 |
| suosaaski | ok. | 07:43 |
| suosaaski | here when that 24month contract (or whatever you choose, 24 is the most common), the monthly charge of the phone stops and what remains is just the calls/sms/data payment. | 07:44 |
| GentSir | suosaaski, the price in the US stays the same after the 24 months is up | 07:45 |
| suosaaski | Yup | 07:45 |
| GentSir | A lot of familes actually bunch up on a "family" plan that includes extended relatives to offset the contract price. Most carriers limit it to 10 lines though | 07:46 |
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| GentSir | As for texting. It's $20 unlimited for the entire plan and we have 4 lines. That means my portion is $5 a month. I've used 3100 text messages this month, which is a tad over 0.41 megabytes of data | 07:49 |
| suosaaski | here you can just opt to get a fitting contract for everyone. Some carriers used to have some contracts that had quite a bit of mins (like 3000) and sms (3000) for like 4e/month, but those were only for calls or sms made to numbers that were customers of the same carriers. So just selecting that sort of contract and all relatives getting the same carriers contract would reduce the costs quite a bit. | 07:51 |
| GentSir | Now what would be really cool, is if Jolla implemented common messaging protocols right into the standard texting app... | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | heh, n9 did that | 07:52 |
| GentSir | Similar to the iPhone messenger | 07:52 |
| GentSir | Stskeeps, what does the Old Guard have to say about that? | 07:52 |
| Stskeeps | i still don't understand what you mean by the 'old guard' | 07:52 |
| GentSir | It means a veteran, someone with wisdom and experience | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | right, that's a lot of people here, :P | 07:53 |
| GentSir | Exactly, that's why I use the term | 07:53 |
| GentSir | It's respectful | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | and i don't know if they have any common opinions ;) | 07:54 |
| darshak | Great minds think alike? | 07:54 |
| GentSir | Is that your way of saying "We have ideas but I can't tell you them"? | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | nah, as in, "we're not the borg' | 07:55 |
| GentSir | An easy to use and "open" messaging standard that worked over data would be great. I would love to drop texting and use all data, far cheaper | 07:56 |
| suosaaski | By the way, what does that "dna" deal in Finland mean... does it mean I can only get a Jolla phone from dna when it arrives, or will it be available through other carriers, too? | 07:56 |
| GentSir | I hope they're offered to buy directly, or I'll never be able to get one | 07:57 |
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| suosaaski | they are usually cheaper via contract in here. For example, iPhone 5 16GB is 22e x 24 = 528e. If you buy it directly it is 680e. | 07:59 |
| GentSir | It's much more so here, since the contract price is the same anyway | 08:00 |
| suosaaski | yeah. | 08:00 |
| GentSir | If Jolla doesn't offer a way to directly buy their phone, I'll probably stick with getting a Blackberry q10 | 08:01 |
| suosaaski | I think it was said there will be ways to buy the phones in other countries than China and Finland, so probably there is a way to directly buy their phone. :) | 08:02 |
| GentSir | I'll get myself a subsidized q10 as well, I can sell it to finance getting a Sailfish phone :) | 08:02 |
| GentSir | Or just keep it | 08:02 |
| GentSir | But it's a waste to not subsidize a new phone | 08:03 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Subsidize is always a bad idea | 10:56 |
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| GentSir | Morpog_Mobile, it's a waste of money not to | 11:41 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Gentsir: in germany it's the opposite, just most ppl don't understand it | 16:30 |
| GentSir | Morpog_Mobile, most people just love to waste money | 16:31 |
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| m4g0g | hello | 20:53 |
| m4g0g | I have some questions about sailfish sdk. | 20:58 |
| vgrade | m4g0g: ask awy | 20:58 |
| m4g0g | I need to install latest version of qjson from git. How I can do this? | 20:59 |
| Yaniel | m4g0g: to the sdk? | 21:00 |
| Yaniel | and/or to the emulator | 21:00 |
| m4g0g | hm | 21:00 |
| m4g0g | I think "and" | 21:00 |
| Yaniel | there are two VMs, one for building and one for running | 21:00 |
| Yaniel | (or so I understood) | 21:00 |
| m4g0g | I try to create application for sailfish and I need latest qjson | 21:00 |
| m4g0g | yep. One - build and one - emulator | 21:01 |
| Yaniel | your safest bet would probably be to | 21:01 |
| Yaniel | package it and put it into a repo | 21:01 |
| Yaniel | so you can install it with zypper | 21:01 |
| Yaniel | or rather, via the sdk tab in qt creator | 21:01 |
| Yaniel | IIRC there are some people around here who have done that | 21:02 |
| vgrade | m4g0g: what version do you need, looks like mer has 0.8.1 | 21:02 |
| m4g0g | i need from git | 21:03 |
| m4g0g | because 0.8.1 has problem with cyrillca | 21:03 |
| m4g0g | >Everything is working fine with latest version of qjson (from master), - this is answer of developer of the library. | 21:04 |
| vgrade | m4g0g: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail | 21:04 |
| vgrade | shows hot to upgrade the version of a mer package | 21:04 |
| m4g0g | the main problem in this: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/23/plasma-desktopwN2559.png | 21:06 |
| m4g0g | cyrillic symbols become bold and I can't change this ( | 21:06 |
| vgrade | m4g0g: if you follwing the instructions above you can upgrade the version of qjson in Mer | 21:07 |
| m4g0g | hw. Is there any way to do this? Less complex. | 21:10 |
| vgrade | m4g0g: I don't think so | 21:14 |
| m4g0g | hm | 21:17 |
| m4g0g | may be I don't need this | 21:17 |
| m4g0g | because I have 0.8.1 on desktop and it works fine. | 21:17 |
| m4g0g | problem only in emulator | 21:17 |
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| m4g0g | may be I should use codec for text? | 21:22 |
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| m4g0g | What encoding does POSIX equal? | 21:27 |
| lbt | m4g0g: could it be the font we use | 21:28 |
| m4g0g | may be | 21:28 |
| m4g0g | but i am not sure | 21:28 |
| m4g0g | when I do qDebug () << data on desktop I get valid text in cyrillic but if I launch app in emulator I got empty strings in cyrillic in qDebug and bold text in list view | 21:30 |
| lbt | so we use Source Sans Pro | 21:30 |
| lbt | do you know if that displays the characters correctly elsewhere | 21:31 |
| lbt | https://github.com/adobe/source-sans-pro/issues/6 :/ | 21:32 |
| m4g0g | i don't know | 21:32 |
| m4g0g | fuck | 21:32 |
| m4g0g | can I change font in emulator or no? | 21:33 |
| lbt | not really - however you can assume that we'll include cyrillic as soon as it's available | 21:34 |
| lbt | I'm a bit surprised that qDebug isn't working | 21:36 |
| m4g0g | ok. | 21:36 |
| m4g0g | I am glad that the problem is not on my side. | 21:37 |
| lbt | do you have any reason to think qjson has an issue? | 21:37 |
| m4g0g | no. On my desktop all works fine. | 21:38 |
| lbt | OK, good | 21:38 |
| lbt | I suggest a quick post to the mailing list too | 21:38 |
| m4g0g | it's good idea. | 21:40 |
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