Saturday, 2015-07-11

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mer0vingianport sailfish to xperia z3 please03:15
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sledgesmal-: awesome, rebuilt your geoclue on obs, we'll see (updating bug too)06:52
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locusfmorning07:05
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sledgesgood moaning (cc tbr)07:10
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alinmorgen07:13
alinsledges: geoclue on dhd are you sure got rebuilt?07:14
alinsledges: also is package=version07:14
tbrgood moaning!07:14
sledgesalin: it got removed, back to upstream07:28
sledgesalin: mind commenting the bug about = pls?:)07:28
Nokiusmorning07:38
Nokiusmal-: see the same events with a fix07:41
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bluesleesledges: bug 839 solved?08:39
merbotNemo bug 839 in Hybris-ing "[hammerhead][alpha12][gps] gps does not work properly due to a wrong gps status" [Normal,New] https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83908:39
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bluesleesledges installed geoclue version 0.12.99.5-1.6.208:40
sledgesblueslee: tell me if it worked for you:)08:41
sledgesblueslee: and if you still get out-of-sync behaviour08:41
bluesleesledges: the only change is that gps processes are killed properly after closing the app08:44
bluesleesledges: the behaviour is the same when starting gpsinfo08:44
bluesleesledges: it seems that gps hybris dies every time now when activating or deactivating gps from gpsinfo08:45
sledgesblueslee: very peculiar..08:45
bluesleegive me two minutea08:46
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sledgesblueslee: how often does it happen, from fresh reboot?08:46
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bluesleesledges no change after reboot08:49
mal-blueslee: so it still does not work for you?08:49
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mal-blueslee: you have installed 0.12.99.5.3 of geoclue-provider-hybris-community?08:51
bluesleemal- it does not work, now gps dies immediately08:51
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bluesleemal- no08:52
bluesleemal 0.12.99.5.3-10.13.1.jolla08:53
bluesleemal- okay, probably the same:-)08:53
mal-and that version still dies?08:54
mal-pastebin some logs08:54
bluesleemal- i need a pc for that, will do it later08:55
sledgesblueslee: install pastie app ;)08:55
bluesleemal- but now deactivating gps does not help to see the geoclue-hybris process on console08:55
bluesleesledges: its hard to copy / paste within sfos on n5, sometimes itvdrives me crazy as browsers do not behave correctly08:57
mal-sledges: did you already try that version on n5?08:57
sledgesblueslee: https://twitter.com/LiKimmo/status/60510708963204710508:57
sledgesjust sayin' :)08:57
sledgeswe need jolla store back :D (soon(tm)), hope that app is in warehouse too08:58
sledgesmal-: nop, out of time08:58
mal-I just want some other n5 users to try that also, since even in previous version only alin and blueslee complained about problems08:59
bluesleesledges: pastebin is not the issue, i can also use the bugtracker and attachments, the smaller screen is an issue, its much easier with a pc08:59
bluesleemal- it worked for me once by the way09:00
alinsledges: which app?09:00
bluesleemal- but since then i am in this nirvana state09:00
bluesleetalk to you later09:01
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sledgesblueslee: sure, a quick paster app is still more convenient than bugtracker through browser etc09:02
sledgesalin: click on twitter link09:02
alinsledges: yes I see not link09:02
sledgesalin: 11:57 < sledges> blueslee: https://twitter.com/LiKimmo/status/60510708963204710509:02
alinsledges: yes there is not link to a git or something09:02
alinsledges: just the usual twitter bragging09:02
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sledgesalin: name of the app09:03
alinsledges: not to say the apps is probably for sailfishos09:03
alinsledges: yes... but I donot want to stay in  a greek hotel09:03
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sledgesalin: contact the developer09:06
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sledgesmal-: app works just fine, found 1 satellite, shutdown and icon stopped flashing09:08
sledges(i shut the app donw)09:08
mal-sledges: ok09:09
alinsledges: do you want kladi in common?09:32
sledgesalin: ok09:34
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alinsledges: lbt something is funny with the obs https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:alin:extra/kladi09:49
alini called the package as the name of the spec09:50
alinthere is tar.bz2 as source09:50
alinthe only thing I see is the name inside which is listed as harbour-kladi09:50
sledgesalin: _service should read .git at the end of repo url09:52
alinsledges: does not matter09:59
alinsledges: I had it like that09:59
alinsledges: and no  change09:59
sledgesalin: it's harbour-kladi10:03
sledgesrename your project (create new project) as that10:04
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kimmoli?10:09
sledgesName: harbour-kladi10:09
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sledges(from https://github.com/kimmoli/kladi/blob/master/rpm/kladi.spec )10:09
sledgeskimmoli: all good, thank for awesom app ;)10:09
kimmoliaha10:10
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alinsledges: tis is what I noticed too10:13
alinsledges: same issue10:17
kimmoliCRLF ?10:18
sledgesalin: kimmoli: maybe .spec file also needs to be called harbour-kladi.spec?10:19
kimmolino.10:19
kimmoliit is just that spec has CRLF EOLs10:19
kimmoliERROR: Source filename in .spec must end in .tar.gz, .tgz, .tar.bz2 or .tar.xz10:19
kimmoliif this is the problem10:19
kimmoliobs wants to have LF EOLs10:20
sledgesook10:21
kimmolihttps://github.com/kimmoli/kladi/commit/30b16b4ed76f90be7e7d0a51ada163d732ee8cb910:26
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alinkimmoli: if you change the name to harbour-kladi.spec10:31
alinkimmoli: would be perfect10:31
alinkimmoli: also seems to miss some requires10:31
kimmolii'm just setting it up to obs too to see what is wrong10:32
alinkimmoli: I am fixing it10:32
alinkimmoli: fixed you can check my fork10:34
alinkimmoli: pull created10:35
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alinkimmoli: you need to login?10:40
alinsledges: ok I think I will add susepaste in the common too... commandline and no login needed10:40
alinkimmoli: added to common10:42
kimmoliah, remembered why i did not build it in OBS. it needs api key which is not in github10:46
alinkimmoli: can't you amke it to download the api key after install?10:48
alinkimmoli: also I suspect there is no cli for it10:48
alinkimmoli: for uploading file content directly10:48
kimmolidon't remember..10:52
kimmoligtg10:52
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alinkimmoli: seems to be I will check it once the api is in11:35
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kimmoliok11:36
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mer0vingianI want to port sailfish to z3c via HADK but I don't know where to begin, any tips?17:31
tbris there e.g. a CM port for it?17:31
mer0vingianI think I will have to start from scratch17:32
mer0vingianyes, it can run CM 1217:32
tbryou'll have to ask the others here about getting HADK to work with CM1217:34
locusfits still WIP17:34
locusfonly aosp 5.1 done17:35
locusfno cm 12 yet17:35
locusfit requires a sailfish upgrade to work17:35
locusfso umm, wait for the next release :)17:35
mer0vingianargh! hopefully soon, thanks locus17:39
Nokiusmal-: so fore me it works if I kill gpsinfo icon (satalite) is gone too17:44
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mgroverNexus 5, when I try to start the hotspot I get an error of Unable to bind TCP port. I get the same again for UDP17:56
mgroveris there any chance its just using ports that are already being used?17:57
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Ford_PrefectIs the oneplus one a reasonable device to try to use one's primary phone with Sailfish? (and does the Android emulation work?)18:09
mgroverif its in the same state as the Nexus 5 then yes18:10
mal-sledges: Nokius I did a test to see how long it takes for my device to get a gps lock, right after reboot it took 70 seconds to get a lock when I was outside with no high buildings near18:11
Ford_PrefectOn the support matrix, I saw that mostly the GPS and camera were the main difference w.r.t. what's hooked up18:11
mal-joo, juuri nyt olen lahdessa mutta ensi viikolla taas espoossa happen18:12
mal-oops18:12
tathhu:D18:12
tathhuhups18:12
mal-no android program support yet on ported devices, there is ongoing work to make that18:12
Nokiusmal-: did try a cold fix with the new version I will go out to some open Air party later and test it there18:13
NokiusFord_Prefect: tcalling is not working18:13
mal-at least my message history did not contain anything bad :D18:14
Ford_PrefectNokius: oh right, I missed that18:14
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NokiusFord_Prefect: u are welcomed to provied some logs so we can get it working18:17
Ford_PrefectNokius: trying to figure out what device to buy/borrow, if I can't get a Nexus 4/5, might end up buying a OPO and in that case will help sort it out18:20
sledgesFord_Prefect: nexus5 is a better bet atm..18:21
Ford_PrefectKinda hard to justify buying one, since I'm not sure there'll be support for long18:22
Ford_PrefectElse I'd have just done that18:22
Ford_PrefectI do have a z3 compact, but don't think it's likely I'll have time to try to do a port18:22
sledgesFord_Prefect: ask locusf about feasibility of new sonys18:22
Ford_PrefectAnd a moto g, but the hardware is incredibly slow18:22
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Ford_Prefectwould be good to know what locusf thinks about doing a port of the z3c18:29
Ford_PrefectThe firefox os folks have a 5.1 based build pretty much going, and more or less blob free (other than modem and some binaries sony distributes)18:30
locusfFord_Prefect: if you didn't follow my conversation with mer0vingian, I said to him that in order for Sailfish to work on Z3C, it would have to happen with the next release :)18:33
locusfFord_Prefect: I'm essentially trying to achieve a AOSP based build18:33
sledgesnext sf release is just around the corner (aka soon) ,p18:36
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bluesleesledges, mal- i stopped sensorfwd and gps started to work correctly here:-) but i cant reproduce the issue?!18:49
bluesleesledges, mal- sensorfwd was in a stopped state for several days here as i was checking battery life without sensors18:50
bluesleesledges, mal- i can't reproduce it18:52
bluesleealin: if gps is still an issue for you try 'systemctl stop sensorfwd', you can start it afterwards18:53
bluesleealin: solved the issue for me18:53
Nokiusframe18:54
Nokiussorry18:54
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just486hai18:56
just486I read in the release notes, that Jolla Store does not work at the moment, but it will after sailfish 2.0 is released18:56
just486can anybody tell me the reason of it?18:57
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Nokiusjust486: as fare as I know the store use the IMEI for a handshake19:00
mal-blueslee: wow, that's odd19:01
bluesleesledges, mal-, alin: forget it, after a reboot gps stopped working again and stopping sensorfwd does not help anymore19:01
just486so that's been implemented with an update to sailfish 1.x, and will be changed with sailfish 2.0?19:02
sledgesjust486: jolla tablet introduces 2nd official jolla device, jolla store will then have to work properly with multiple devices19:02
sledgesjust486: that's why store is undergoing an overhaul19:02
bluesleemal- i will try gps on sn underlying  cm, just to be on the safe side19:02
mal-blueslee: ok19:03
sledgesblueslee: make sure you disable agps, to feel like at sfos19:03
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bluesleemal- never used cm before19:03
mal-blueslee: btw, just to be sure, when using the latest hybris-provider do you have gps enabled in settings?19:04
bluesleemal- but stopping sensorfw and switching dynamic/portrait orientation kicked gps once:-)19:04
bluesleemal- yes it was enabled from settings19:05
bluesleemal- talk to you later19:05
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just486sledges I think I got it.19:07
just486and what about this whole "jolla goes software-only" line? isnt this a bad thing?19:08
just486i really liked their hardware... in about 2-3 generations i think i would choose jolla as a device19:10
ZeDestructorI was really hoping to go Jolla once they had a 1080p screen in the phones19:15
ZeDestructor:(19:15
ZeDestructorI'm hoping the blackberry slider will be unlockable19:15
nh1402my guess is that the reason why they're spinning off the hardware division is the same reason why Google don't make phones directly.19:16
nh1402licensing Sailfish to ODM's19:17
Nokiussledges: had today the idea to look into *.rc but i did't comment out any modem part19:17
nh1402th Blackberry Venice has been rumoured for a while to be Blackberry's first Android phone which looks like it borrows heavily from the S6 Edge. Could also be the first blackberry to be ported to Sailfish.19:18
sledgesjust486: a new jolla company will be created that makes hw19:18
nh1402the*19:18
nh1402weirdly Blackberry stated that if they can make Android secure enough they'd make an android phone. But Sailfish is more secure, heck Sailfish Secure has the word Secure in the name why won't they license Sailfish instead?19:19
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nh1402ZeDestructor: More news coming from Jolla this coming week, hopefully a new device or devices will be announced with Sailfish then, with up to date specs19:21
Nokiusis't BB teaming up with Samsung19:21
nh1402that's whats rumoured19:21
ZeDestructor720p killed the first jolla phone more than availability for me19:21
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nh1402but if they were, why wouldn't they license Tizen instead19:21
Nokiushaha19:21
ZeDestructorif the venice is android, and unlockable, I will learn how to port AOSP and sailfish to it19:21
ZeDestructorsomehow19:22
ZeDestructorif I have to19:22
ZeDestructortizen has no marketshare19:22
ZeDestructorpeople want android19:22
ZeDestructorat the high-end19:22
ZeDestructorthey want that Xperia Z*/Galaxy S*/HTC One M* market19:22
nh1402I've read somewhere that it's gaining ground in India19:22
ZeDestructornot the piddly mid/low-end19:22
ZeDestructorit is, but only on lower end aims I think19:23
ZeDestructorfor  people who don't use the smart part of smartphones19:23
Nokiusis there a way to change to change back to backcam via CLI cam+ fails to start19:23
ZeDestructorthey care about camera, calls and SMS19:23
nh1402yh I don't know why they don't just release a high end phone. Just load it onto one of their current flagships.19:23
nh1402make it cheaper, as an incentive.19:23
ZeDestructorthey all do it, no exceptions.. "We wanna try launching a new OS.. I know! let's use a shitty mid-range device for it!"19:24
ZeDestructoreven  Jolla did that19:24
Nokiusfound it19:24
Nokiusthank19:25
Ford_Prefectlocusf: good to know, let me know if I can help (don't have much time, but I'd like to), currently doing some audio porting work on the z3c19:25
nh1402well at least Sailfish can be ported to High end phones, like the Nexus 519:25
ZeDestructoronly mostly19:25
ZeDestructorafaik GPS is still useless19:25
nh1402not seen anyone port Tizen to a high end android device.19:25
ZeDestructorafaik Tizen source is MIA19:25
ZeDestructorand/or hard to work with19:25
ZeDestructorand honestly, given Smasung's track record with software quality... I wouldn't bother19:26
* Nokius nice gps tags works in camer+ or the gps icon is not flashing lets go out and do some field testing 19:26
nh1402ZeDestructor: It's a group effort with Intel, Samsung aren't doing it alone.19:27
nh1402having said that haven't heard of an intel powered tizen phone19:27
ZeDestructortechnically so is the SGS* firmware nh1402, collab with Google19:27
nh1402sounds like Intel are going to have a Sailfish powered device before Tizen19:29
nh1402XD19:29
ZeDestructorlol19:33
ZeDestructorgot a link?19:33
locusfFord_Prefect: you could test my images once the release has been done and the target released19:34
nh1402The Jolla tablet is intel powered19:35
Ford_Prefectlocusf: absolutely19:35
ZeDestructoryeah19:35
ZeDestructorI'm excited to get mine19:35
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just486sledges: so jolla will be devided into two separate parts, but both will remain jolla? what's the point?20:27
Stskeepsit'd certainly be a lot clearer if one of them was renamed into sailfishos corp or something like that20:28
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alin_Stskeeps: os without hardware... smells of a silly idea... at least in phone market...20:38
Stskeepsalin_: it's a silly idea if you don't have hardware first20:38
Stskeepsalin_: nobody believes you before you ship one or two devices that pass through operator channels, get certified, validated with consumers, etc20:38
Stskeepsafter that, licensing to scale makes a lot of sense20:38
alin_Stskeeps: to be honest with you when you find the jolla phone on amazon at 240pounds and on shop.jolla.com at 250 euro20:39
alin_i suspect does not help too much20:39
Stskeepsalin_: hardware business is hard.20:39
Stskeepsbut it doesn't mean it isn't sustainable20:39
Stskeepswhat's not sustainable is getting investors into a SW+HW mix20:39
StskeepsSW only - easy20:40
StskeepsHW only - easy (other types of investors)20:40
alin_Stskeeps: 64bit intel hardware20:40
StskeepsSW+HW - totally unstable20:40
Stskeeps:P20:40
alin_Stskeeps: i do not know about that... i know the story of a big hw producer... who once started outsourcing the sw20:41
alin_is in kinf of big merdre to deliver any new stuff20:41
alin_Stskeeps: android success was a fluke20:43
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Stskeepswell, android success happened as a start because google paid off HTC to even ship an android device..20:44
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Stskeepsand indemnify them against the loss of business with microsoft20:44
alin_Stskeeps: yes but that would not have been enough if other lucky stuff would not happen20:44
alin_Stskeeps: and nokia not getting into the smart phone business20:45
Stskeepsnod20:46
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alin_Stskeeps: i look at ubuntu touch... by far the worst linux os for phones... played with sailfish and tizen in addition20:46
Stskeepstried firefox os too?20:47
alin_Stskeeps: nope20:47
tathhualin_: why ubuntu is bad? :(20:48
Stskeepsubuntu's not bad, it's just..20:48
Stskeeps:P20:48
Stskeepsit's not taken terribly serious out in the field20:48
Stskeeps:P20:48
alin_tathhu: on that hardware... I have to wait apps to start20:48
alin_tathhu: luck of apps20:48
alin_tathhu: if no internet half of the webcraps do not work20:49
alin_tathhu: not to say about sharing connections and other things which are worst than android...20:49
alin_tathhu: no jabber client20:49
alin_tathhu: is like they targeted to 1999 people when only sms was available20:50
alin_tathhu: and if you add the fact that you cannot dual boot on it.... makes me sad20:51
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alin_Stskeeps: the only good thing is to put sailfish on it20:52
alin_tathhu: and forgot to say... if you have few scopes open... you can start frying things20:52
* Nokius|mobile the wifi sharing is working 3G on find5 irc on jolla 20:52
alin_Nokius|mobile: e?20:53
Nokius|mobilegot the the tcp udp failures to20:53
Nokius|mobile*too20:53
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Nokius|mobilealin_: backlog from to day someone told about this20:54
Nokius|mobilemal-: tried camer+ is working with glue well20:55
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alin_Nokius|mobile: about wifi sharing working ok let me see20:55
alin_Nokius|mobile: I see nothing20:57
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mal-Nokius|mobile: there is no reason why it shouldn't work with all other programs if it works with gpsinfo20:59
Nokius|mobilemal-: sure20:59
mal-Nokius|mobile: but good to know anyway21:00
Nokius|mobilehaha21:00
alin_here is the mounts on ubuntu mx4 http://paste.opensuse.org/5517718321:03
alin_if anyone tempted21:03
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Nokius|mobilealin_: how is it21:07
alin_Nokius|mobile: I will tell you when you get a normal nick and I can send messages in private21:08
alin_Nokius|mobile: sledges will ban me if I say my opnion21:08
Nokius|mobilealin_: ok21:09
Nokius|mobileping Nokius just mobile atm21:09
alin_Nokius_:21:09
Nokius|mobilealin_: oh oky i will go home soon21:11
alin_Nokius|mobile: you in pub?21:11
alin_Nokius|mobile: or whatever you call watering holes in .de?21:11
Nokius|mobilealin_: no open air party in my town and yes crowed is drinking here21:12
alin_Nokius|mobile: which town?21:13
sledgesalin_: are you booking flight tickets to .de atm? ;)21:14
alin_by the way if you hear of anyone not wanting to buy the tablet21:14
alin_put him/her in line with me21:14
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alin_sledges: nope... they had an open air party in here too21:14
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alin_sledges: english way walking and drinking21:15
Nokius|mobilealin_:  may use twitter for this21:15
* Nokius|mobile music getting beter 21:16
Nokius|mobilealin_: check dm21:20
alin_Nokius|mobile: what the hell is dm21:20
Nokius|mobilealin_: a private message I not brodcasting my location =)21:21
nh1402dm - direct message21:21
Nokius|mobilethanks nh140221:22
alin_Nokius|mobile: nothing iin there21:23
sledgesnight night, tomorrow - cars event!21:23
alin_sledges: night21:23
alin_Nokius|mobile: did not get any... are you sure you did not send to someone else21:24
Nokius|mobilealin_: nope may the sailfish irc client has a bug ?21:25
alin_Stskeeps: with this soc http://www.gsmarena.com/lenovo_p90-6920.php21:27
alin_things shall be easier21:27
alin_i think is the same as the jolla tablet21:32
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Nokius|mobilealin_: was not  there some intel based phone rumors after mwc someone at Intel booth 'spolerd' it21:52
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mer0vingiantbr and locusf are you guys here right now?22:13
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mer0vingianalright, I'll ask this to any sailfish porter out there who can potentially help me....22:17
mer0vingianI want to port SF to an Xperia Z3C, I just found out that there is a port of CM 11 that is available, so I would like to ask if anyone can give me any tips on how to begin, I do have the SF HADK22:18
mer0vingianactually, it is CM 1222:20
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* Nokius home alin gone haha22:22
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