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| keithzg | What, all you europeans already asleep? ;) | 00:16 |
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| sledges | keithzg: haha | 00:33 |
| sledges | keithzg: if your IMEI is not displayed in Settings->About product, then yes | 00:34 |
| keithzg | sledges: So if I want to only *sometimes* have my SIM in there, I should add *two* SailfishOS installs to my device? ;) | 00:35 |
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| keithzg | Is it possible that if I first configure it with a SIM in it'll remember? | 00:36 |
| sledges | keithzg: if you don't have SIM, and IMEI is still shown, you are safe | 00:36 |
| keithzg | sledges: Ah, I see I see | 00:36 |
| sledges | which is what latest reports confirmed, but more tests are always welcome | 00:36 |
| keithzg | sledges: Fair enough, I'll see how it goes. Just wiped and OTA'd up from 4.2.2 to 5.0 on the primary ROM (was having issues otherwise installing a 5.0 ROM or upgrading the primary ROM) and about to reinstall multirom and see if it'll work fine when using the older radio still. | 00:40 |
| keithzg | Still using my Nokia N9 as my primary phone but it probably doesn't have too much life left in it! | 00:41 |
| sledges | roger that:) | 00:42 |
| sledges | keep us posted on lollipop and sf dualboot friendliness | 00:43 |
| keithzg | definitely | 00:44 |
| sledges | cool | 00:49 |
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| keithzg | sledges: sadly, WLAN appears to not work. Otherwise it's fine, but that kindof kills it. | 02:00 |
| keithzg | Also I do wish I could skip the tutorial, which I've done far too many times now, heh | 02:01 |
| keithzg | Hmm, both up and down on the volume rocker just tells me "muted". | 02:04 |
| keithzg | Note that this is EA4 I've installed. | 02:05 |
| keithzg | No luck with orientation either. | 02:09 |
| keithzg | Interestingly, Ubuntu Touch works fine. Hmm. | 02:32 |
| keithzg | I bet it can be *made* to work, then. They're even also using the 3.4.0 kernel, after all. | 02:38 |
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| keithzg | sledges: I'll be back online tomorrow, and if you or someone else is around I'd be very interested to try and find out what's failing with 5.0+multirom+sailfishos; in case it's of any use I've pasted my dmesg at http://paste.kde.org/p3ogpcrdb and my (unfiltered) journalctl at http://paste.kde.org/pmq7jxob4 in the meantime. | 02:55 |
| keithzg | Ironically enough, I see my IMEI in the Settings, so *that* will probably work fine, I just forgot my SIM tool at home, heh. | 02:56 |
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| _dinsdale | Good Evening, can someone give me the link to the latest HADK? | 05:12 |
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| _dinsdale | Ah, and hello Mr. vgrade! Have you moved any further along on with the OnePlus port? I'd still be interested in your notes if you ever get a chance. | 05:16 |
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| sledges | _dinsdale: it's in the topic | 09:10 |
| sledges | keithzg: we could only fake the firmware partition and ask sailfishos to mount that instead | 09:12 |
| sledges | from cm10.1, and all happy -- untested approach but theoretically feasible | 09:12 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 09:24 |
| lbt | o/ | 09:24 |
| locusf | hello | 09:27 |
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| stephg | 'lo | 10:11 |
| Guhl | hola | 10:12 |
| sledges | hoyla | 10:15 |
| lbt | so I think I have a fix for OBS applypermission thing | 10:17 |
| lbt | x86 symbols on arm | 10:17 |
| lbt | sledges: https://github.com/lbt/android_build/commits/hybris-ia-4.4.2_r1-ia2 | 10:18 |
| sledges | lbt: cool, needs a test run on a good ole armv7hl | 10:20 |
| lbt | yeah | 10:21 |
| lbt | https://github.com/lbt/droid-hal-device/commits/hybris-ia-4.4.2_r1-ia2 | 10:23 |
| lbt | so the last 2 could be cherry picked | 10:24 |
| sledges | lbt: commented on the last one | 10:30 |
| sledges | otherwise lgtm | 10:30 |
| lbt | oops | 10:30 |
| sledges | we'd just need to run them android_builds on e.g. mako (is what i meant by armv7hl) to see if nothing breaks | 10:31 |
| lbt | yep - I'll do that on buildbox | 10:31 |
| lbt | just remote updates to make sure ff works | 10:31 |
| sledges | thanks, I delve back to business (will linger around though) | 10:32 |
| lbt | I'll add my init-debug to the chain too | 10:33 |
| sledges | lbt: the https://github.com/mer-hybris/droid-hal-device/pull/63 one ? | 10:34 |
| sledges | (as in, from hybris-boot?) | 10:35 |
| lbt | yes | 10:36 |
| sledges | bril! | 10:36 |
| sledges | expect preinit troubles, but if it boots, we'll finally close that PR | 10:36 |
| lbt | ok | 10:37 |
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| beidl | what's up, guise? | 13:11 |
| sledges | everything:D | 13:12 |
| beidl | well not everything. | 13:14 |
| beidl | the big thing is not up yet | 13:14 |
| beidl | needs some viagra it seems | 13:14 |
| sledges | are you referring to a form factor? | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | viagra.. fantastic codename | 13:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:15 |
| beidl | of course | 13:15 |
| sledges | a gizmo shaped like a pill | 13:15 |
| tbr | reminds me of the butt-plug christmas tree in paris... | 13:15 |
| beidl | for enhancing the.. you know... gestures you can do on that thing | 13:16 |
| sledges | does freenode have #w? :D | 13:16 |
| SK_work | definitely belongs to #w | 13:18 |
| sledges | what does #w stand for btw, i could never find its origins (wasn't an avid irc user back in a day) | 13:19 |
| sledges | and googling results are vague | 13:19 |
| beidl | I wonder too. that's why I keep my reaction to a minimum :) | 13:19 |
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| beidl | not to confuse with... errection | 13:20 |
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| sledges | i know the designation of such channel, but it's naming etymology baffles | 13:20 |
| sledges | air-action? you mean chewing gum | 13:20 |
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| * tbr knows other channels that start with #w* on other networks... | 13:21 | |
| sledges | #windows? | 13:21 |
| beidl | sledges: hard gum? | 13:21 |
| tbr | not that I would have been to them... | 13:21 |
| beidl | LOL | 13:21 |
| sledges | beidl: breath mint | 13:21 |
| tbr | sledges: ends in house | 13:21 |
| beidl | wmilhouse | 13:21 |
| sledges | told you | 13:21 |
| sledges | WindowsMobILe -house | 13:21 |
| sledges | tbr: ok, but is this the etymology of #w, still makes me wonder | 13:22 |
| beidl | #what-a-house | 13:22 |
| tbr | sledges: no idea, just realized the similarity of topic and name... | 13:22 |
| beidl | R as in Robert Loggia | 13:25 |
| sledges | x) | 13:25 |
| beidl | srsly, if Jolla does not release a giraffe running SailfishOS tomorrow I'll be sad | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | danes kill giraffes. | 13:29 |
| beidl | I had to read up on that. bad danes, very bad. | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | .. and show it to kindergarden children | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:32 |
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| SK_work | I like windows mobile house :) | 13:35 |
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| Guhl | spiiroin, do you have time for a short design question | 14:17 |
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| * stephg wonders if giraffe is tasty | 14:38 | |
| Guhl | stephg, it is but i am vegetarian for more than 20 years now so my knowledge is a bit dated | 14:58 |
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| sledges | dated as in fruit? | 15:16 |
| beidl | sledges: having word play mania lately? :D | 15:21 |
| sledges | not lately, early | 15:22 |
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| stephg | boom | 15:28 |
| Guhl | dated as in überholt, veraltet :-P | 15:30 |
| Guhl | as spiiroin still seems to be busy has anybody else time (and is keen to) discuss some software-design question with me | 15:33 |
| Guhl | it's got something to do with mce, keyboar open/close switch and a daemon that is cloned from kimmolis tohkbd daemon | 15:34 |
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| Guhl | spiiroin, did you hear you name? | 15:35 |
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| sledges | sadly not :} | 15:37 |
| Guhl | :-( | 15:38 |
| sledges | you missed the tail:) | 15:39 |
| Guhl | i thought he might me doing it as i did mostly on the G2ROOT channel when at work - parse the log from time to time and if I was needed - appear | 15:39 |
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| Core2idiot | I'm having an issue trying to run the build script for nexus5, http://pastebin.com/5KXfMMg1 | 15:42 |
| sledges | hi | 15:42 |
| Core2idiot | Hello | 15:43 |
| sledges | Core2idiot: alin built it last time with (including his own repos): 12:57 < alin_> ./fullbuild.sh -mer-root /home/alin/lavello/NEXUS5/mer-oct3 -android-root /home/alin/lavello/NEXUS5/ubu-oct3 -branch hybris-11.0 -device hammerhead -vendor lge -dest /home/alin/lavello/nexus5 -sfrelease 1.1.0.39 -extraname ame -jobs 4 -dhdrepo "http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/alin:/lavello/latest_armv7hl/" -mwrepo x -extrarepo "http://repo.merproject | 15:44 |
| sledges | maybe it will give you a clue | 15:44 |
| Core2idiot | Thanks | 15:44 |
| sledges | -extrarepo "http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/alin:/extra/sailfish_latest_armv7hl/" | 15:45 |
| sledges | got cut-off | 15:45 |
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| JayBusch | Got a question about building hybris following the HADK, if anyone has a few minutes. | 15:49 |
| sledges | hello there | 15:51 |
| sledges | on IRC we have all the time in the world, to read your question, answer, and for you to find the answer in the logs ;) | 15:51 |
| JayBusch | Fair point. :) I'm following the HADK and trying to build hybris, but after I clone the git repo and try to build it with "mb2 -t $VENDOR-$DEVICE-armv7hl -s ../rpm/libhybris.spec build" | 15:53 |
| JayBusch | I get a build error that there is no such file or directory "libhybris-0.0.0.tar.gz2" | 15:54 |
| locusf | hmm wasn't this fixed? :) | 15:55 |
| sledges | it was | 15:55 |
| sledges | zypper dup should update your sdk JayBusch | 15:55 |
| sledges | with fixed sdk-utils | 15:55 |
| sledges | let's see | 15:55 |
| JayBusch | Aha! Thanks sledges, I'll run that | 15:55 |
| JayBusch | Ah you beautiful people. Thank you guys! Build now proceeds as proper. | 15:57 |
| sledges | \o/ | 15:57 |
| Guhl | spiiroin_, ? | 16:05 |
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| spiiroin_ | Guhl: pong | 16:17 |
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| Guhl | hi spiiroin_ do you have time for a short discussion? | 16:26 |
| spiiroin_ | Guhl: very short now, bit more in two hours or so | 16:26 |
| Guhl | thats ggod for me 3-4 hours would be even better | 16:27 |
| spiiroin_ | that should be fine for me to | 16:28 |
| Guhl | cool | 16:29 |
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| sledges | PSA: bug triage in less than one hour at #mer-meeting | 17:05 |
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| sledges | PSA: bug triage imminent 8) | 17:57 |
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| kimmoli | Guhl: my daemon got cloned? now there are two ? :) | 18:21 |
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| JayBusch | Well fudge. Tried to install rpms for qtscenegraph-adaptation and it's giving an error: "Unknown module in Qt: v8". | 19:05 |
| sledges | JayBusch: long shot, but try: https://github.com/qtproject/qtquickcontrols/commit/50d3556d5ebe33016bee809b5ae831bb47dee3f1 | 19:06 |
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| Guhl | sledges, i assume the bug triage is over already? | 19:09 |
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| JayBusch | Tried that before and it got past it to a failure about QImage. "'Format_RGBA8888_Premultiplied' is not a member of 'QImage'" and similar errors crop up. | 19:10 |
| sledges | Guhl: yep, i need at least one volunteer to consult with, but everyone's mostly busy with slush today | 19:10 |
| sledges | Guhl: so postponed to next week | 19:10 |
| Guhl | sledges, i do my best to be there next week | 19:10 |
| sledges | JayBusch: something cardinally wrong | 19:10 |
| sledges | Guhl: thanks! | 19:10 |
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| sledges | JayBusch: best bet: use qtscenegraph-adaptation which is already built on Mer OBS | 19:11 |
| sledges | (if there isn't one for update9, make one, I can show you around) | 19:11 |
| JayBusch | sledges: Thanks! I'll go try to pull that. | 19:11 |
| sledges | JayBusch: eerm, no pulling involved if you ask me ;) | 19:11 |
| Guhl | kimmoli, well i striped down the clone a lot so theres only 1.25 now | 19:12 |
| JayBusch | sledges: :p I'll try that out and report back. | 19:13 |
| sledges | JayBusch: coolio :) | 19:14 |
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| JayBusch | sledges: plopped the normal package from maguro in, and mic got passed it, thanks! | 19:28 |
| JayBusch | sledges: Question about maguro vs toro, do you know of anything that would be different between them beyond the phone radio? Or any reason I shouldn't rebuild qtscenegraph-adaptation? | 19:29 |
| sledges | JayBusch: good enough, hopes up ;) | 19:29 |
| sledges | qtscenegraph should be good enough | 19:29 |
| sledges | for all | 19:29 |
| sledges | maybe beidl_ could shed more light tho? | 19:30 |
| JayBusch | sledges: Thanks! | 19:31 |
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| Guhl | spiiroin_, i am here if you got time | 19:36 |
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| spiiroin_ | Guhl: me too ;-) | 20:03 |
| Guhl | cool | 20:04 |
| Guhl | well let me explain what i want to discuss | 20:04 |
| Guhl | i cloned the tohkbd daemon and striped it down, cause the only thing i want to use from it is to change the virtual kbd layout (to nothing) when the hwkbd is out | 20:05 |
| Guhl | my design question is: | 20:05 |
| Guhl | should mce signal somehow (dbus?) that the keyboard is out/in | 20:06 |
| Guhl | or should the daemon read the evdev itself | 20:06 |
| Guhl | i personally like signaling more | 20:06 |
| Guhl | but it would like to know how you would approach this | 20:07 |
| spiiroin_ | Guhl: the preliminary plan is something like: mce and/or evdev -> statefs -> some qt/qml properties -> ui -> vkb | 20:07 |
| Guhl | yes that make sense | 20:08 |
| spiiroin_ | so that when a) slider keyboard is opened, or b) bt keyboard is plugged in -> virtual keyboard would switch to less space consuming layout | 20:09 |
| Guhl | i know that a daemon solution would be just a workaround for now | 20:09 |
| spiiroin_ | so autocomplete etc would still be usable | 20:09 |
| Guhl | yes autocomplete and paste should still be there | 20:10 |
| Guhl | is there a timeline for that implementation? | 20:10 |
| Guhl | i think for now i'll implement something like mce -> statefs or dbus signal-> hwkbd (my daemon) | 20:12 |
| spiiroin_ | not really planned yet, but something like: unlikely this year, possibly jan/feb | 20:12 |
| spiiroin_ | for the full chain | 20:13 |
| Guhl | ok | 20:13 |
| spiiroin_ | the mce part (and possibly statefs too) would be earlier | 20:13 |
| Guhl | k, i'll do some intermediate implementation then for now | 20:14 |
| spiiroin_ | as a workaround: it should be easy to make mce emit event on slider. and I believe kimmoli has made some dconf hacks to make vbk smaller | 20:14 |
| spiiroin_ | (for the tohkbd daemon) | 20:15 |
| Guhl | yes, i think i have everything ready for that | 20:15 |
| Guhl | i just was about to implement a dbus signal in mce | 20:15 |
| spiiroin_ | I could do something like that right now. | 20:16 |
| spiiroin_ | the details would probably change, but better than nothing etc, or ? | 20:16 |
| Guhl | thats nice of you, if you got time | 20:16 |
| Guhl | otherwhise i'll fork your fork and do it | 20:17 |
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| Guhl | but it would be interesting to see where you will implement the signal :-) | 20:17 |
| Guhl | spiiroin_, i also have another question | 20:17 |
| spiiroin_ | sure | 20:18 |
| Guhl | did you read the message i left for you some days ago about the current status of the keyboard slide? | 20:18 |
| spiiroin_ | I read something about display (or backlight) staying powered up | 20:18 |
| spiiroin_ | but no graphics shown | 20:19 |
| Guhl | yes it happens in the case: open app like sms app | 20:19 |
| Guhl | power key to sleep | 20:19 |
| Guhl | open keyboard -> phone hangs | 20:20 |
| spiiroin_ | the keybd open should not be that different, i.e. it would be nice to know if you can | 20:21 |
| Guhl | in the sense that you can see the led-back light is on but the screen is dark and i found no way to make it react again | 20:21 |
| spiiroin_ | get the same problem appear either with power button, or making display state requests via mcetool | 20:21 |
| Guhl | i just wanted to know if you have an idea out of the box before i go debugging | 20:22 |
| Guhl | but i'll try to do what you said | 20:23 |
| spiiroin_ | "mcetool --unblank-screen --set-tklock-mode=unlocked" = slide open | 20:23 |
| spiiroin_ | "mcetool --set-tklock-mode=locked --blank-screen" = slide close | 20:23 |
| Guhl | and my last question for tonight would be: is there a config way to disable the proximity sensor | 20:24 |
| spiiroin_ | yes | 20:24 |
| spiiroin_ | mcetool --set-ps-mode=disabled | 20:24 |
| Guhl | does this also work as a cli parameter to mce itself? | 20:25 |
| spiiroin_ | no, it does dbus ipc with mce and changes settings | 20:26 |
| spiiroin_ | the values persist over mce restarts (and device reboots) | 20:26 |
| spiiroin_ | but, you can have the default values come from hw-dependant adaptation package | 20:27 |
| spiiroin_ | then mce will use those values already on 1st boot | 20:27 |
| Guhl | OK i'll try that as currently the ps-sensor is not helpfull | 20:28 |
| kimmoli | for me the autocomplete doesnt work atm. | 20:29 |
| kimmoli | copy/paste yes (ctrl-c,v too) | 20:29 |
| Guhl | OK spiiroin_ are you doing the dbus signal? if yes in which branch? | 20:31 |
| spiiroin_ | Guhl: need to do it 1st ;-) I'll ping you when done | 20:32 |
| Guhl | yeah cool | 20:33 |
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| keithzg | sledges: Alrighty, mounting cm 10.1.3's firmware sounds quite doable, is that just a matter of grabbing the right .so's in cm's system/lib, or? | 20:54 |
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| sledges | keithzg: just modifying system.mount to mounta loopback device (I hope firmware partition is moutned readonly) | 20:54 |
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| sledges | and loopback device simply being a firmware img | 20:55 |
| sledges | file | 20:55 |
| keithzg | sledges: system.mount, no love for /etc/fstab these days eh? ;) Hmm, I had been poking around in the cm 10.1.3 zip for anything that looked like the firmware image file and I hadn't seen anything. I do have it already using the 4.2.2 radio img. | 20:57 |
| sledges | keithzg: radio.img is what i mean | 20:57 |
| sledges | cm does not ship those | 20:57 |
| sledges | that's why we're talking about stock factory rom | 20:58 |
| sledges | and fstab - well, it's systemd world now :P | 20:58 |
| sledges | keithzg: my bad | 20:58 |
| keithzg | Right, right, PoetteringOS is coming along nicely :P | 20:58 |
| sledges | not system.moutn | 20:58 |
| sledges | but firmware.mount | 20:58 |
| sledges | boycottsystemd.org :P | 20:59 |
| keithzg | heh | 20:59 |
| keithzg | In all seriousness I do worry that they're taking a "replace ALL the things!" approach when oftentimes it isn't justified. But that isn't to say that overall systemd doesn't seem pretty nice. | 21:00 |
| keithzg | (and it's Poettering himself who has been vocal about wanting to create "GnomeOS", which sounds awkwardly close to what the rabid haters accuse him of.) | 21:00 |
| sledges | as it's complex by its structure, i guess then it suits complex systems in the same fashion ;) i.e. you can do complex stuffs | 21:01 |
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| sledges | for a simple IoT sensor surely buildroot is the way | 21:01 |
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| keithzg | sledges: Hmm, I had already tried with MultiROM setting the radio img *and* not setting it. I guess I should make sure it's set again now and check to see if it is indeed mounting it or not. | 21:03 |
| sledges | keithzg: multirom has no clue what happens inside sfos | 21:04 |
| sledges | so via multirom it won't work | 21:04 |
| keithzg | Or rather, that it's in place for SailfishOS to see, since I guess MultiROM is theoretically taking care of that beneath sfos. | 21:04 |
| keithzg | Huh, fair enough, I guess I just assumed it'd work since there's an explicit option for it, and it knows it's a sfos rom. | 21:04 |
| sledges | a foreseeable hack could be for sfos firmware.mount to source that .img file from /data/mrom//(where it is)/... | 21:04 |
| sledges | nope, explicit option is for any mrom, just left-over, but we could put it to submission ourselves ;) | 21:05 |
| keithzg | ahhh I see I see | 21:05 |
| sledges | for first proof-of-concept, just put that .img somewhere in rootfs, and see if it work at all | 21:05 |
| keithzg | Sounds like a plan. | 21:05 |
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| beidl_ | JayBusch: no, qt scenegraph related sources shouldn't be recompiled | 21:08 |
| beidl_ | only kernel and hal layer should be affected | 21:08 |
| beidl_ | on the other hand, I don't know how adaptations with LTE work, or what is needed there (damn you, Meizu!!) | 21:10 |
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| keithzg | sledges: So is editing firmware.mount as simple as just replacing the current "What=/dev/mmcblk0p1" line with a "What=/path/to/firmware.img" (specifically What=/opt/radio-mako-m9615a-cefwmazm-2.0.1700.48.img for me, then)? It does mount fine as vfat on my desktop here so that wouldn't need changing I think. | 21:21 |
| sledges | yes | 21:22 |
| sledges | if fails, add loop to Options | 21:22 |
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| keithzg | Success! | 21:26 |
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| keithzg | I have sound, wireless, orientation, and it no longer pauses for a bit (not accepting touch inputs for about a second or two) when turning the screen back on! | 21:28 |
| sledges | keithzg: wlan works? | 21:28 |
| sledges | OH YEAS! | 21:28 |
| sledges | :D | 21:28 |
| sledges | the theory has been proved right! thanks! | 21:28 |
| keithzg | no problem, thank you in return! | 21:28 |
| sledges | no the tidying up will take most time ;) | 21:29 |
| keithzg | heh it always does | 21:31 |
| sledges | iirc we do mount /data somewhere too | 21:32 |
| sledges | so you could track where mrom places .img files | 21:32 |
| sledges | and check for its existance | 21:32 |
| sledges | now i wonder does systemd support conditionals :D | 21:33 |
| sledges | (possibly does the laundry too!) | 21:33 |
| keithzg | hehe | 21:34 |
| keithzg | hmm, I don't see any obvious candidates for /data, although I do see "/dev/mmcblk0p23 on /data type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)" | 21:34 |
| keithzg | but "/dev/mmcblk0p23 on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,data=ordered)" is also there, so... | 21:34 |
| sledges | so that's it ;) | 21:34 |
| sledges | yes | 21:35 |
| sledges | those are mount --binds | 21:35 |
| sledges | and switch_roots | 21:35 |
| sledges | so all good | 21:35 |
| keithzg | ah fair enough | 21:35 |
| sledges | you got your /data on the palm of your hand | 21:35 |
| sledges | (pun intended) | 21:35 |
| keithzg | haha | 21:35 |
| spiiroin_ | Guhl: still there? code is here https://github.com/spiiroin/mce/tree/wip_keypad_slider_signaling | 21:40 |
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| Guhl | spiiroin_, thanks will look at it immediately | 21:41 |
| spiiroin_ | adds on top of the previous evdev stuff, but I made a separate branch because I | 21:41 |
| spiiroin_ | probably need to put them in separately | 21:41 |
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| Guhl | sure you commitd? | 21:42 |
| spiiroin_ | now that you mention it ... | 21:42 |
| Guhl | hehe | 21:42 |
| spiiroin_ | try now | 21:43 |
| Guhl | yes that looks very good | 21:46 |
| Guhl | and by far more complete than what i would have done | 21:46 |
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| spiiroin_ | Guhl: would be nice if you can check that it works too | 21:50 |
| spiiroin_ | but I need to go get some sleep now | 21:50 |
| Guhl | of course i'll build it tonight but probably testing will be done tomorrow | 21:51 |
| Guhl | thanks again, and good night | 21:51 |
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| keithzg | Yeesh, I always forget to do "ssu ar mer-tools" on a fresh install and then I act all confused that I can't get libsailfishapp and such :P | 22:44 |
| sledges | he:) | 22:51 |
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