| T42 | <jmlich> I did some presentation with overview of alternative mobile systems which I am going to repeat this year and I want to update it. I am not sure what information I want right now. https://www.fit.vutbr.cz/~imlich/data/TAM/2018-Linux-na-MT.pdf | 04:30 |
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| *** verin0x40 is now known as verin0x | 06:20 | |
| PureTryOut[m] | jmlich: note, you capitalized postmarketOS wrong. Just the "OS" is capitalized, everything else is lower-case | 09:21 |
| PureTryOut[m] | Also, Plasma Mobile isn't an OS but just a DE. The OS I think you're referring to is just KDE Neon | 09:22 |
| PureTryOut[m] | Actually, that list is not just distros, nvm | 09:22 |
| PureTryOut[m] | Your info on "Ubuntu Phone" lists "Dead / Community driven". Please make clear while talking that it is not dead at all because of that community effort | 09:39 |
| PureTryOut[m] | Also, the Android kernel isn't required, it can run on mainline devices like the PinePhone perfectly fine | 09:40 |
| r0kk3rz | id say 'abandoned by canonical' rather than 'dead' | 09:40 |
| PureTryOut[m] | Ah a slide for Plasma Mobile. Not sure where you got the info from that it's based on Mer, because it's not. Besides being just a DE that is. | 09:40 |
| PureTryOut[m] | For postmarketOS, currently we do not ship LuneUI | 09:41 |
| PureTryOut[m] | Yeah that's better | 09:42 |
| PureTryOut[m] | As for "alternative Androids", Copperhead doesn't exist anymore | 09:42 |
| T42 | <jmlich> Yeah it needs a lot of updates (-; | 09:43 |
| r0kk3rz | PureTryOut[m]: there was an old old incarnation of plasma that was based on mer | 10:15 |
| r0kk3rz | but this is ancient history | 10:15 |
| r0kk3rz | and then was based on ubuntu touch images for a while | 10:16 |
| PureTryOut[m] | Yeah but that both was outdated even last year haha | 10:18 |
| r0kk3rz | yes | 10:18 |
| T42 | <jmlich> Well, first I am updating this since 2009. Obviously, I need to verify whole thing. Therefore I am looking for some resources (-; | 10:30 |
| sicelo | could i get official permission to plagiarize that :p | 12:24 |
| * sicelo is also giving a presentation on Monday about linux on phones | 12:24 | |
| T42 | <neochapay> https://twitter.com/LinuxPiter/status/1178927759877447680?s=19 | 12:26 |
| PureTryOut[m] | AuroraOS? 🤔 | 12:36 |
| T42 | <neochapay> @PureTryOut[m] [AuroraOS? 🤔], Sailfish OS Rus now named Aurora OS | 12:50 |
| T42 | <Icenowy> btw can nemo components run on a generic Linux distro now? | 12:51 |
| PureTryOut[m] | If that generic Linux distro still runs Qt 5.6, yes | 12:51 |
| PureTryOut[m] | Which is the main blocker for having it running on postmarketOS atm | 12:52 |
| T42 | <Icenowy> still 5.6? | 12:52 |
| T42 | <Icenowy> good bye | 12:52 |
| T42 | <Icenowy> we have 5.13 | 12:52 |
| PureTryOut[m] | Yeah, due to SFOS still using that | 12:53 |
| PureTryOut[m] | postmarketOS has 5.12.5 🤷♂️ so we're both out of luck | 12:54 |
| T42 | <neochapay> We can use 5.9 :) but who.... | 12:54 |
| PureTryOut[m] | Still nog good enough lol | 12:55 |
| T42 | <Icenowy> what blocks running it on newest Qt? | 12:56 |
| PureTryOut[m] | SailfishOS still being stuck on Qt 5.6 | 12:57 |
| PureTryOut[m] | And Qt 5.6 having tons of breaking differences with the newest Qt I guess | 12:57 |
| T42 | <Icenowy> I think there's little if no private API is used | 12:58 |
| T42 | <Icenowy> a major problem might be QtWebkit | 12:58 |
| T42 | <Icenowy> but it could be built independently | 12:58 |
| T42 | <eekkelund> Glacier-home / nemo components work well on qt 5.12 | 12:59 |
| T42 | <neochapay> @eekkelund [Glacier-home / nemo components work well on qt …], Yea try run glacier settings on 5.12 | 12:59 |
| T42 | <Icenowy> btw is framework from Meego necessary? | 12:59 |
| PureTryOut[m] | <T42 "<Icenowy> I think there's little"> Actually, it does use a private API that has been removed as part of Qt 5.11. Nemo uses Lipstick, and AsteroidOS has it ported to Qt 5.12. However, for that they need to revert a commit in Qt5Wayland removing a private API that they use | 13:00 |
| T42 | <neochapay> And you got so many pine in ass | 13:00 |
| T42 | <neochapay> @PureTryOut[m]> <T42 "<Icenowy> I think there's little" [Actually, it does use a private API that has b …], Asteroid lipstick different as mer lipstick | 13:00 |
| PureTryOut[m] | Oh, it's not a drop-in fork thing? So you can't have both AsteroidUI and GlacierUI running on the same compositor...? | 13:01 |
| PureTryOut[m] | That is dissapointing 😕 | 13:01 |
| T42 | <neochapay> You can but some features will be broken | 13:01 |
| T42 | <eekkelund> (Photo, 600x1084) https://irc.thaodan.de/.imgstore/uODIsOXXnr.png | 13:02 |
| T42 | <eekkelund> Ah replied to wrong message | 13:02 |
| T42 | <neochapay> @eekkelund [Ah replied to wrong message], I think many features broken on 5.12 as ssu and more | 13:03 |
| T42 | <neochapay> Qmf broken | 13:03 |
| T42 | <neochapay> Voicecallui broken | 13:03 |
| PureTryOut[m] | Hmm, are there plans to make them work on the same base again? | 13:03 |
| T42 | <eekkelund> @PureTryOut[m] [Hmm, are there plans to make them work on the …], Yeah | 13:03 |
| T42 | <eekkelund> https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/lipstick/merge_requests/88/commits | 13:03 |
| T42 | <neochapay> @PureTryOut[m] [Hmm, are there plans to make them work on the …], I work on new releases of my copy mer on 5.9 | 13:04 |
| T42 | <neochapay> But now i not have many free time for it | 13:04 |
| T42 | <eekkelund> @neochapay [I think many features broken on 5.12 as ssu an …], What do you want me to test? 😃 | 13:04 |
| T42 | <neochapay> @eekkelund [What do you want me to test? 😃], Glacier contacts ;) | 13:05 |
| T42 | <neochapay> Notifications | 13:05 |
| PureTryOut[m] | That MR has been open for a year without any changes 😕 Also, AsteroidOS uses Qt 5.12 as well | 13:05 |
| T42 | <neochapay> In first we must build qt 5.12 on obs | 13:06 |
| T42 | <abranson> PureTryOut: that's how far the qt5.9 migration got before the licensing got in the way. dunno yet whether it'll get resumed or used as a base for a later version | 13:07 |
| T42 | <abranson> but i bet collecting problems with later versions would be useful | 13:07 |
| T42 | <jmlich> @sicelo [could i get official permission to plagiarize …], You can use my presentation as you need. Right now, I am not aware about license restriction inside it. I have probably already plagiarized something (-; | 13:07 |
| PureTryOut[m] | Why exactly does Nemo care so much about the SFOS base? Can't you just upgrade to newer Qt without caring about SFOS? | 13:07 |
| T42 | <eekkelund> (Photo, 600x1084) https://irc.thaodan.de/.imgstore/TjADO04iwB.png | 13:08 |
| T42 | <eekkelund> old glacier-home in that image | 13:08 |
| T42 | <neochapay> @eekkelund [old glacier-home in that image], So old | 13:08 |
| T42 | <eekkelund> Yeah, but notifications works 😃 | 13:09 |
| T42 | <abranson> PureTryOut: better to cooperate really. lots of manpower at jolla maintaining mer/sfos-core. | 13:09 |
| T42 | <neochapay> @eekkelund [old glacier-home in that image], Ok if all works. Where i can get git with 5.12 and i start create new release with it | 13:09 |
| PureTryOut[m] | <T42 "<abranson> PureTryOut: better to"> Makes sense, but currently that means you're stuck with ancient technologies 😢 | 13:12 |
| T42 | <abranson> not for long apparently. the upgrade was slated for the first half of next year | 13:12 |
| T42 | <abranson> hope it jumps to 5.12. 5.9's already out of support isn't it? | 13:13 |
| T42 | <eekkelund> @neochapay [Ok if all works. Where i can get git with 5.12 …], thats the nemo image built with yocto-platform :) | 13:13 |
| T42 | <neochapay> @abranson [not for long apparently. the upgrade was slate …], Soon ™ | 13:13 |
| T42 | <abranson> well the block has been resolved last I heard | 13:14 |
| T42 | <neochapay> @eekkelund [thats the nemo image built with yocto-platform …], Nonono i whant stay in mer :) | 13:14 |
| T42 | <abranson> that's what has kept it back for over a year | 13:14 |
| PureTryOut[m] | <T42 "<abranson> hope it jumps to 5.12"> 5.9 is still supported till May 2020 | 13:16 |
| PureTryOut[m] | So yeah 5.12 or higher is required lol | 13:16 |
| T42 | <eekkelund> @neochapay [Nonono i whant stay in mer :)], Yeah, Mer/SFOS-Core is also important for OMP, right 😃 Or why is that? | 13:18 |
| T42 | <neochapay> @eekkelund [Yeah, Mer/SFOS-Core is also important for OMP, …], It's just my duckling syndrome | 13:19 |
| T42 | <neochapay> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.thaodan.de/.imgstore/aCXIrLNV4B.webp | 13:19 |
| T42 | <Icenowy> BTW how does Mer/Nemo integrate with HW? | 17:33 |
| T42 | <Icenowy> for things like LEDs, motors, etc | 17:34 |
| mal | leds and vibrator normally use sysfs controls, for vibrator also the ff-memless way is possible | 18:41 |
| T42 | <Icenowy> for vibrator can it use event device? | 18:56 |
| T42 | <Icenowy> for mainline gpio-vibrator driver | 18:56 |
| mal | yes | 19:30 |
| mal | that is the ff-memless way, i.e. event devices generated by kernel | 19:30 |
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