| T4 | <deedend> Wow, what's this Volla thing? | 06:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | oh thats those randoms | 06:51 |
| T4 | <abranson> are they in here? | 07:03 |
| r0kk3rz | yes | 07:03 |
| r0kk3rz | its that leif_ericsson character and m_aurel | 07:03 |
| T4 | <abranson> aha | 07:05 |
| T4 | <locusf> the fff....... | 07:05 |
| T4 | <neochapay> @locusf [the fff.......], https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymNFyxvIdaM | 07:08 |
| T4 | <locusf> wow | 07:09 |
| T4 | <locusf> oldie but goldie | 07:09 |
| T4 | <neochapay> @locusf [oldie but goldie], https://youtu.be/-a7juHUq-GY | 07:10 |
| T4 | <locusf> (Document) http://3das7vpgt73yxclb6agz4sz2a2bt7bqqfjucjhhbb5jnndxcd4o4lfid.onion/xjdmaZ9RF4.mp4 | 07:12 |
| T4 | <locusf> my god ... | 07:13 |
| T4 | <locusf> positively suprised :) | 07:13 |
| T4 | <neochapay> @locusf [positively suprised :)], if you want translate i can ^_^ | 07:15 |
| T4 | <neochapay> Strawberries appeared even in the steppe! … Strawberries grew even in the steppe! … Cute girls! … Who would know your dignity! … Opa opa yee! … Do you love me? … Throwing everything you marry me? | 07:15 |
| T4 | <locusf> you know kyrgyz? | 07:16 |
| T4 | <locusf> nice :) | 07:16 |
| T4 | <neochapay> @locusf [you know kyrgyz?], google know anythink | 07:16 |
| T4 | <locusf> hahaha | 07:17 |
| r0kk3rz | thats amazing | 07:21 |
| T4 | <m_aurel> Hello together. I have seen, that our blog post was already linked here: http://volla.online/blog/files/community-days.html | 09:39 |
| T4 | <m_aurel> I would be happy to meet some of the Nemo Mobile community. The last discussion here about Sailfish and Nemo Mobile was very interesting. | 09:40 |
| T4 | <m_aurel> I have a question: Do you think, it's possible to ship a device with Nemo Mobile with an option to upgrade the os to a community port of Sailfish OS? It is (almost?) the same Mer base system. So an upgrade could be possible without flashing the device. | 09:41 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> why not | 09:42 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> maybe only licensing issues | 09:43 |
| T4 | <m_aurel> It would be compliant to the Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported license. That's the interesting point. | 09:45 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> in my vision you should have two .ks files with common mw packages | 09:46 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> but yeah, that will not help with the problem of flashing | 09:46 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> but I think it can be solved by simple shell scripts | 09:47 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> which uninstall (maybe even not) Glacier and install Silica | 09:47 |
| T4 | <m_aurel> Do think, that flashing would be necessary, if the device would come with Nemo Mobile? | 09:47 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> once I suggest here UI switcher | 09:47 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> I think it can be solved without flashing with scripts | 09:48 |
| T4 | <m_aurel> Ok, sounds interesting. | 09:48 |
| T4 | <abranson> you could always give your users the option of buying their own sailfish license, like sailfish x? then they'd get the os updates from jolla etc | 09:49 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> I think you can start production without those feauture, only with working upgrade mechanism. and add that ability later. | 09:51 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> start with Nemo | 09:51 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> but you need own infrastructure | 09:51 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> for distributing packages | 09:52 |
| T4 | <m_aurel> We definately want to collaborate with Jolla. I'm looking for options for the startup stage. Planet Computer did also start with a community port and is now officially offered by Jolla. | 09:53 |
| T4 | <abranson> yep. that required a reflash though because the partition struction can differ between community ports and official sailfish | 09:54 |
| T4 | <abranson> ^ structure! | 09:54 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> I would use official structure | 09:54 |
| T4 | <abranson> yes - i think the reason they used the stowaway scheme is they wanted it to share with debian | 09:55 |
| T4 | <m_aurel> @abranson This could be ok, if an update from Nemo Mobile to a community port would be convenient. | 09:55 |
| T4 | <abranson> but I don't think anyone's done that before, so there may be gotchas that end up requiring reflash. hard to guarantee in advance. | 09:56 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> I mean you can prepare such image with Nemo which would nod require reflash. | 09:56 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> not* | 09:56 |
| T4 | <abranson> has anyone done that before? | 09:56 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> dont know | 09:56 |
| T4 | <abranson> i'm just saying that unless you test that in advance, it's really hard to guarantee that you won't find it too difficult to do when the time comes. | 09:57 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> I agree. anyway it can be solved later with updates. | 09:57 |
| T4 | <abranson> yeah | 09:57 |
| r0kk3rz | dont ship a device with nemo... | 10:01 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> why? | 10:02 |
| r0kk3rz | because its nowhere near ready for that | 10:02 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> yep | 10:02 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> but who prevent from do that? | 10:03 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> s | 10:03 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> doing* | 10:03 |
| r0kk3rz | nobody | 10:04 |
| r0kk3rz | its open source | 10:04 |
| r0kk3rz | still a bad idea | 10:04 |
| T4 | <abranson> or put the effort into getting it ready for that, then ship it | 10:06 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> yep, that's my point | 10:06 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> if someone planning to do that I have some code for MR into Settings (Wi-Fi section)... | 10:09 |
| r0kk3rz | these guys quite plainly have no idea wga | 10:12 |
| r0kk3rz | t they're doing | 10:12 |
| T4 | <m_aurel> Interesting discussion. I think it's worth to have a closer look at the idea to startup up with Nemo Mobile and an upgrade option. Flashing a device is a no-go for consumer. | 10:34 |
| T4 | <m_aurel> Otherwise we have to start up with UBports on our first products. Not our preference. | 10:35 |
| T4 | <m_aurel> r0kk3rz: Yes, our homepage is just a draft to announce the event. We haven't yet published information about our product development and roadmap. Our focus is not a mobile operation system. We will to choose the an appropriate platform. In a perfect world a consirtium of companies and foundations would invest in a shared free open source | 10:46 |
| T4 | platform. | 10:46 |
| T4 | <Chipiguay> @m_aurel [Hello together. I have seen, that our blog pos …], You ask for the output of the hackathon to be released under MIT/BSD license, is that correct? | 12:26 |
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