| Leif_Erikson | Hello Nemo friends. I made a factory reset of my Sailfish developer device and updated it to release 2.2.1.18. Then I installed Glacier UX successfully. I tested phone calls and SMS successfully. After a reset this features a renot working any more, because the Glacier UX doesn't prompt a SIM unlock. | 10:13 |
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| Leif_Erikson | I tried to install the qmlpinquery app form Github. Unfortunately I get an error "qofono-qt5 development packe not found | 10:15 |
| Leif_Erikson | I think I have to add another repository on the build engine. Does someone know which one? | 10:16 |
| Leif_Erikson | I tried sb2 -t SailfishOS-2.2.1.18-i486 -R -m sdk-install zypper in qofono-qt5-devel but it doesn't work. | 10:52 |
| Leif_Erikson | I tried to duess the package name | 10:52 |
| Leif_Erikson | guess | 10:52 |
| T4 | <ssrssv2ray> A silent onlookers eating melons passing by | 10:53 |
| mal | Leif_Erikson: the package is libqofono-qt5-devel | 10:56 |
| mal | you know you can search for packages containing "ofono" with "zypper se ofono" | 10:56 |
| Leif_Erikson | I didn't. | 11:02 |
| Leif_Erikson | Thanks. | 11:02 |
| Leif_Erikson | I'll try | 11:02 |
| Leif_Erikson | The correct command was: sb2 -t SailfishOS-2.2.1.18-i486 -R -m sdk-install zypper in libqofono-qt5-devel | 11:10 |
| Leif_Erikson | Unfortunately I have build error. I think it is a very old project. | 11:10 |
| Leif_Erikson | Bad exit status from /var/temp/rpm-temp.JqgLWD (%install) | 11:12 |
| Leif_Erikson | cp: cannot stat '/home/mersdk/.../qmlpinquery.service': No such file or directory | 11:14 |
| Leif_Erikson | The qmlpinquery.service file is part of the project. I assume, some build settings are wrong. | 11:15 |
| T4 | <neochapay> Oh i think o need rewrite this :) | 11:47 |
| Leif_Erikson | Is there someone, who is using the Glacier UX? How is the SIM activation solved? | 14:23 |
| T4 | <eekkelund> IIRC this could help … https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/glacier-home/blob/devel/src/qml/statusbar/SimPanel.qml | 14:29 |
| Leif_Erikson | Thanks for your recommendation. This settings are available in the current dev branch? | 15:33 |
| Leif_Erikson | I think I have checked our the wrong git repository. I have switched to https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/glacier-home.git now. | 15:34 |
| NeoChapay | Leif_Erikson: settings in master branch | 15:35 |
| NeoChapay | glacier-home in dev | 15:35 |
| Leif_Erikson | Ok, so I will build and deploy first glacier-home and then glacier-settings, right? | 15:36 |
| Leif_Erikson | Unfortunately I can't build the first ine. | 15:36 |
| NeoChapay | yeap | 15:36 |
| Leif_Erikson | There is an RPM build error, because lipstick.service is missing | 15:36 |
| NeoChapay | Leif_Erikson: if you use sailfish you can use https://build.merproject.org/project/monitor/home:neochapay:nemo-ux | 15:36 |
| Leif_Erikson | Yes, I have checked out this repository before. But there, the SIM settings are missing. | 15:37 |
| Leif_Erikson | And I can't unlock the SIM on my device. | 15:37 |
| NeoChapay | i not use sim unlock yeat... | 15:38 |
| NeoChapay | maybe on next week i start work about this | 15:38 |
| Leif_Erikson | How can you make phone calls, if you can't enter the PIM? | 15:38 |
| Leif_Erikson | PIN | 15:39 |
| NeoChapay | Leif_Erikson: disable pin on another phone | 15:39 |
| Leif_Erikson | I assume my english is too limited. I mean the use case, that you have to enter a PIN, if you start a smartphone. This is missing with the Glacier UX. So I can't make or receive phone calls or send and receive messages. | 15:41 |
| NeoChapay | Leif_Erikson: you can disable pin on another phone. pin is not support on glacier now | 15:42 |
| Leif_Erikson | How is this possible? If I restart a phone or remove a SIM, I need to unlock the SIM again. | 15:45 |
| Leif_Erikson | I tried to install lipstick-qt5-devel on my build engine. But it was already installed. So this won't solve the build problem. | 15:48 |
| Leif_Erikson | What's about the post of T4. I conclude, that a SIM card is supported in the glacier settings. | 15:51 |
| Leif_Erikson | lipstick.service is in the rpm folder of the glacier home project. So I wonder, why the build error occures. | 15:54 |
| Leif_Erikson | a pure build works, but I get the warning desktop.path is not defined. | 16:04 |
| NeoChapay | Leif_Erikson: yea we know about this issue | 16:07 |
| Leif_Erikson | Is that the reason for the rpm build failure? | 16:14 |
| NeoChapay | Leif_Erikson: yea...rpm build fail on sdk but in obs all is well | 16:19 |
| Leif_Erikson | I never have used obs. I will search for instruction at the Mer Wiki. | 16:22 |
| Leif_Erikson | The Mer Wiki suggests to use the Sailfish SDK: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier#On_phone | 16:23 |
| Leif_Erikson | I assume, this is for the whole Nemo Mobile image, isn't it? | 16:23 |
| Leif_Erikson | Is there a simple way to install the newest devel version of Glacier? | 16:25 |
| Leif_Erikson | If I follow the link for the obs at the Mer wiki, it's not motivating: https://build.merproject.org/project/show/nemo:devel:ux | 16:25 |
| Leif_Erikson | It seems, that the newest builds are failing. | 16:26 |
| Leif_Erikson | If I follow this instructions, I get an outdated version of glacier: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier/Installing | 16:30 |
| Leif_Erikson | I think this Wiki page is related to the old glacier infrastructure, isn't it? | 16:30 |
| Leif_Erikson | What do you mean with: if you use sailfish you can use https://build.merproject.org/project/monitor/home:neochapay:nemo-ux | 16:52 |
| Leif_Erikson | How can I huse this link? Ot's not a link for the git repository. | 16:52 |
| Leif_Erikson | I can't find information about a build of glacier home with obx. | 16:53 |
| vknecht | Leif_Erikson, https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:neochapay:mer:nemo-devel-ux/lipstick-glacier-home-qt5 ? | 16:55 |
| Leif_Erikson | I mean, I can't find instructions how to create a build with obs. I only know how to create a build with the Sailfish app and platform sdk. | 16:59 |
| Leif_Erikson | You suggest to add a repository on the device like the command in the Mer Wiki: | 17:00 |
| Leif_Erikson | ssu ar nemo-devel-ux http://repo.merproject.org/obs/nemo:/devel:/ux/sailfish_latest_armv7hl/ | 17:00 |
| Leif_Erikson | I think I have to remove this repo and add another one you mentioned, right? | 17:00 |
| Leif_Erikson | Unfortunatelly I'm not able to map these two information. | 17:01 |
| vknecht | it's not all so clear to me neither, I'd also like to build a Nemo image for my port... | 17:02 |
| Leif_Erikson | I need an armv7hl build | 17:03 |
| vknecht | there's this reference, which afaik shows how to install latest & greatest nemo | 17:04 |
| vknecht | https://neochapay.ru/blogs/zapiski-utkonosa-programmista/instructions-to-update-nexus5-to-latest-.html | 17:04 |
| vknecht | so yes, it has to do with ssu ar | 17:04 |
| vknecht | I wonder about line 6 in the ssu section, it's a partial dupe of line 7, right ? | 17:05 |
| vknecht | also, does it mean one should add mer_latest target to one's port ? and I suppose remove all references to -jolla- packages in droid-config/patterns ? | 17:07 |
| Leif_Erikson | The blog article is good. Unfortunately it's for Nexus5. We have 1 Nexus5X, 2 Intex Aqua Fish, 2 Accione P and 1 Accione as developer devices here, but no Nexus 5. I'll look at Amazon, wether I can get the old Nexus 5 device. | 17:09 |
| vknecht | it should work for other devices to an extent, was able to get it on idol3 at that time ; too bad I didn't take exact notes, tried recently and didn't go well but maybe not compatible with 3.0.1.11 | 17:10 |
| vknecht | or perhaps because the "latest" from that time isn't the same as today | 17:11 |
| T4 | <meierrom> NeoChapay: do you have an idea why it fails on sdk and builds just fine on obs? | 17:56 |
| mal | depends on what the error is | 18:59 |
| Leif_Eri_ | This is an excerpt of my build log: https://pastebin.com/J86gZU7X | 20:37 |
| Leif_Eri_ | You can see the error at the end. | 20:37 |
| Leif_Eri_ | It would be nice to have a developer documentation for Nemo Mobile. | 20:45 |
| Leif_Eri_ | At first I would welcome how to create a pure Nemo Mobile system. | 20:45 |
| Leif_Eri_ | I assume, this instructions are outdated: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier | 20:46 |
| Leif_Eri_ | This Wiki page looks like a quick note, that requires a lot of background knowledge | 20:47 |
| Leif_Eri_ | The better the documentation is, the more this community can grow. | 20:51 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> you can update it | 20:57 |
| T4 | <meierrom> I think @akaWolf did some updates to the documentation. It still needs more work. | 20:57 |
| Leif_Eri_ | I'm currently try to follow the instructions of the quoted blog entry. I only skipped the deinstallation of Silica, because the script said, that the system would be broken. | 20:57 |
| T4 | <meierrom> Another problem may be that various channels are used for documentation. | 20:59 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Indeed, as soon I understand the process, I would really like to contribute to a documentation. | 21:00 |
| Leif_Eri_ | I only know the Mer Wiki. | 21:01 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Some parts of the Mer wiki about Nemo and Glacier seem to be outdated. | 21:01 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Ok, my device is stuck in the boot screen now. I think I need to do a factory reset. Then I'll try the steps, that are described in the blog a second time. | 21:04 |
| T4 | <meierrom> I don't think NeoChapay uses mer wiki. He has other ways. Migration and translation of stuff may improve things. | 21:04 |
| Leif_Eri_ | I only need to skip the parts for the hammerhead device. May this is the reason, that my device is broken. | 21:05 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Ok, maybe someone can link his documentation. An automized translation would also be sufficient a first step. | 21:06 |
| T4 | <meierrom> https://neochapay.ru/blogs/zapiski-utkonosa-programmista/instructions-to-update-nexus5-to-latest-.html | 21:07 |
| Leif_Eri_ | I referred exactly to this article. I followed the instructions, but may developer device was broken and is now doing a factory reset. This takes some time with all updates. | 21:15 |
| Leif_Eri_ | I skipped step 6.1, 6.6, 6.7 and 7 | 21:16 |
| Leif_Eri_ | 6.1, 6.6 and 6.7 are related to hammerhead | 21:16 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Next time I try to execute step 7 despite the warning, that this will break the system. | 21:17 |
| T4 | <meierrom> It will likely be easier for you to get a hammerhead. NeoChapay knows this device very well. | 21:20 |
| Leif_Eri_ | I'll check available devices at Amazon, but we already ordered a Necunos device with a pre-installed Nemo mobile. I just want to evaluate, wther Nemo Mobile supports the basic phone features like calls and short messages. | 21:22 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Later we need to know, how to create a Nemo Mobile image. We will try to hire people for this purpose. But Nemo Mobile and Mer skilled developers are extremely rare. So we need a documentation anyway. | 21:23 |
| Leif_Eri_ | So I see several needs: | 21:23 |
| Leif_Eri_ | 1. How to modify a Sailfish device to evaluate Nemo Mobile | 21:24 |
| Leif_Eri_ | 2. How to create a Nemo Mobile image and flash a Sailfish device without breaking the recovery partition. | 21:25 |
| Leif_Eri_ | 3. How to develop Nemo Mobile apps. | 21:25 |
| Leif_Eri_ | I think the last part could be the easiest one. | 21:25 |
| Leif_Eri_ | It should be similar to Sailfish apps. If Nemo Mobile will be our final platform decision, I could contribute with some tutorials. | 21:26 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Last but not least, we would need a hardware adaption guide. I think it is similar to a hardware adaption of Sailfish OS. | 21:27 |
| mal | depending on which kind of image you want to build, the community type or the official-type i.e. lvm-based | 21:29 |
| T4 | <meierrom> I believe you will find useful discussions we had a few months back in that regard. | 21:29 |
| mal | anyway only difference is the ui packages which can the done in patterns | 21:29 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Ok, is it possible to browse or search in the archive of this chat room? | 21:31 |
| T4 | <meierrom> Eg. regarding mapping of lipstick silica and the ui switcher. | 21:32 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Ymal, you mean the difference between Sailfish and Nemo Mobile? I was told, that Nemo Mobile is ahead of Sailfish because of a newer Qt version for example. | 21:32 |
| Leif_Eri_ | I think Necunos has updated Nemo Mobile in this way. I'M not sure, whether they have merged their code. | 21:33 |
| T4 | <meierrom> All IRC discussions are archived and available for research. Somewhere on freenode... | 21:34 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Dou have a keyword to search for. If the discussion took place several month ago, it will be a lot of text messages to browse through. | 21:36 |
| mal | http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/ | 21:36 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Thanks | 21:36 |
| Leif_Eri_ | A lot of text file. I'll try a site search with DuckDuckGo if I have some keyword. I'll play around with some. | 21:47 |
| T4 | <meierrom> At that time @akaWolf tried to push things a little. He has become a bit quiet since. :) | 21:48 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Back to the guide in the blog of neochapay. Which Sailfish version is recommended? I assume it is some Sailfish 2 release? | 21:49 |
| Leif_Eri_ | I just have passed the Sailfish tutorial after factory reset (if feels, that I have done that for 1000 times) and will move on with the update now. | 21:51 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | You know you can skip the tutorial | 21:54 |
| mal | before doing anything else in the tutorial touch the corners of the screen clockwise starting from top left corner | 21:56 |
| Leif_Eri_ | No. How? | 21:56 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Ah, Thanks | 21:56 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | I'm quite surprised you guys are still struggling with this | 22:05 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Today I learned, that the official project of glacier-home at https://github.com/nemomobile-ux can't be build and deployed with the platform sdk. This is only possible with glacier-home from https://github.com/neochapay/glacier-home. But the last project seems to be not up to date. The SIM unlock qml page, that was linked in this forum today is not part of this release. | 22:05 |
| Leif_Eri_ | It would be great, if someone can find a solution to build and deploy glacier-home and other glacier projects with the platform sdk or some can give advice, how to build and deploy the projects with obs. | 22:07 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | There would be builds on OBS already | 22:10 |
| Leif_Eri_ | r0kk3rz, It takes so much time to collect the pieces of information to become productive. Therefore it would leverage the community, if we have a good documentation. | 22:10 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | You just need to install them | 22:10 |
| Leif_Eri_ | It sounds easy, but one needs background knowledge. If you follow the instructions on this page, you get an outdated version of glacier UX: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier/Installing#Installing | 22:11 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | Outdated? That's pulls it off the Nemo OBS repo | 22:12 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | If it needs triggering a rebuild then that's easy to do | 22:13 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Yes. It is a version without the top pull down menu. If I build and deploy glacier-home from neochapays repository, I can see the top menu. | 22:14 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | Well that's neochapays repo | 22:14 |
| Leif_Eri_ | r0kk3rz, I'm pretty sure, that you are right, but one need to know the commands. | 22:15 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | You can't do it, someone with access to the obs repo can | 22:16 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | Bit neochapay does all kinds of stuff, and he will submit it to the main Nemo repo when he is ready | 22:16 |
| Leif_Eri_ | His code works for a platform sdk build and deployment. Hopefully his fix will be integrated soon in the main Nemo repo. | 22:18 |
| Leif_Eri_ | However, one post of this chat linked to a SIM unlock page, that is part of the devel branch. Therefore I'm confused. It's not part of glacier, if I wollow the installation instructions of the Mer Wiki. | 22:22 |
| Leif_Eri_ | I mean "follow" | 22:22 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | Well yes, that's the state of things at the moment | 22:25 |
| Leif_Eri_ | If we can't use obs, that we need indeed a solution to build glacier projects and finally Nemo Mobile with an internal build server. | 22:25 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | You can use obs | 22:27 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | Get yourself an account if you haven't done so already | 22:28 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | Setting up your own OBS is an epic journey on its own | 22:28 |
| Leif_Eri_ | I'm confused. Some lines ago, you wrote, that it's not possible to use obs. | 22:29 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | You misunderstood | 22:29 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Ok? | 22:30 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | Obs has different sections, each has permissions to access | 22:30 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | You can get an account, and have your own section for your stuff | 22:31 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | Talk to lbt in #mer to request an account | 22:32 |
| Leif_Eri_ | I see, each user makes his own builds but shares the infrastructure to execute the build process. | 22:33 |
| Leif_Eri_ | I will recheck the installation of glacier home following the Wiki installation instruction. If you are right I should find the SIM unlock, right? https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/glacier-home/blob/master/src/qml/statusbar/SimPanel.qml | 22:35 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | Ish, you can link things from other people's builds, like the Mer project or other Nemo projects so you just build the stuff you modify | 22:36 |
| Leif_Eri_ | I expected, that the status bar is the panel, that you can slide in from the top. Maybe this is my misunderstanding. | 22:36 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | That never used to be the case | 22:36 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Got it. This makes sense. | 22:36 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | But these days is a quasi-standard ux feature, so even sailfish modified their stuff to work like that | 22:37 |
| Leif_Eri_ | With your last sentence you mean: No one would build everything, just the modified stuff. | 22:37 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | Depends what you want to do | 22:38 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | Neochapays repos build everything | 22:38 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Coming from the Java world, it's comparable to Hudson? | 22:41 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Or like Nexus? | 22:42 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | No idea | 22:42 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | I don't java | 22:42 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Ok | 22:43 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Would you recommend to install glacier-home on Sailfish 2 or 3? | 22:44 |
| r0kk3rz[m] | Always use the latest | 22:48 |
| Leif_Eri_ | Ok. Thanks so much for you patient support. You make a great job. I hope, that I can give this support back with my contribution. | 22:56 |
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