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| T4 | <faenil> @samzn [Offtopic: We are almost releasing our game: ht …], congrats man! | 07:57 |
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| Leif_Erikson | Hello together. One of our motivations to invest in a mobile device with an alternative OS is to protect the user's privacy ... | 15:24 |
| Leif_Erikson | ... Sailfish OS is partly closed source. This could be compared with Android .... | 15:25 |
| Leif_Erikson | .... Android is based on open source with AOSP ... | 15:26 |
| Leif_Erikson | ... Nobody knows, what Jolla is doing in the closed source components .... | 15:26 |
| Leif_Erikson | ... Further more the hardware adaption requres an Sndroid source tree and closed source drivers ... | 15:27 |
| Leif_Erikson | ... How do think about this? Is this a critical issue in your opinion? | 15:28 |
| mal | Leif_Erikson: getting a completely open device without closed source stuff is very difficult, device manuafactures mostly just care about android and do not make linux drivers | 15:43 |
| Leif_Erikson | mal: Inderd, companies and foundations should collaborate for an open base system even if they are competitors. | 15:45 |
| Leif_Erikson | What do you think about the reliabiliy of the Dailfish stack? | 15:46 |
| Leif_Erikson | Nemo Mobile is completely transparent but not as mature as Sailfish for a successful commercial product. | 15:47 |
| mal | what do you mean with reliability in this context? | 15:48 |
| Leif_Erikson | The trust, that the system respects privacy and doesn't contains modules for suveillance. | 15:56 |
| Leif_Erikson | I don't know the law of Finnland, but in some countries like USA and Uk, companies selling electronics like smartphones are forced to offer governemtal organisations a backdoor. | 15:57 |
| mal | finland doesn't do such things | 16:03 |
| guhl | And there is no evidence that the USA or UK are doing this | 16:05 |
| guhl | of course everybody would be happier with totally open sources firmware and drivers | 16:06 |
| Leif_Erikson | Even in Germany a polititian of the government coalition suggested this law. | 16:06 |
| guhl | Well suggesting is one thing | 16:07 |
| guhl | I can send you my openmoko phone (still have 2 of them) | 16:08 |
| Leif_Erikson | guhl: What's about the Sailfish specific layer and apos? Has someone checked the network traffic of Sailfish? | 16:09 |
| Leif_Erikson | Google is minitoring users even if they switched of location services, for example. | 16:10 |
| guhl | well I did not but I am sure someone has | 16:10 |
| guhl | i did develop a security and spoofing enabled modifies android framework for 4 year until i gave up | 16:11 |
| guhl | because google moved by far to much functionality into the playservices | 16:11 |
| guhl | if you use google services and software you pay a price | 16:12 |
| guhl | so i dont | 16:12 |
| Leif_Erikson | guhl: Purism is promising, also Necuno. | 16:12 |
| Leif_Erikson | Is it possible to adapt Mer respectively Nemo Mobile or Sailfish on Hardware without Android source tree? | 16:14 |
| T4 | <locusf> yes | 16:14 |
| T4 | <locusf> I've done it on rpi2 | 16:15 |
| Leif_Erikson | We asked our ODM for linux drivers. | 16:15 |
| Leif_Erikson | T4: What did you need for the afaption? | 16:15 |
| T4 | <locusf> mesa basically | 16:16 |
| T4 | <locusf> erm not mesa on that one | 16:16 |
| Leif_Erikson | guhl: What do you think about Copperhead? | 16:16 |
| T4 | <locusf> rpi2 needed the proprietary libraries | 16:16 |
| T4 | <samzn> Sailfish also works fine on the N9 without hybris 🙂 | 16:16 |
| Leif_Erikson | T4: You mean the drivers compiled for linux? | 16:17 |
| T4 | <locusf> yeah | 16:17 |
| guhl | Leif_Erikson, I don't like copperheads, they are hard to place, and mostly hold your body weight. It's in general very hard to trust them. | 16:18 |
| guhl | (thats the only copperhead I know and have a rack of in my gear cupboard) | 16:19 |
| T4 | <Chipiguay> @samzn [Sailfish also works fine on the N9 without hyb …], do you mean last release? | 16:20 |
| Leif_Erikson | T4: Sound good. I will push this to the ODM. | 16:20 |
| T4 | <samzn> @Chipiguay [do you mean last release?], Should do with the new kernel | 16:20 |
| T4 | <samzn> https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Nokia_N9 | 16:21 |
| T4 | <samzn> Throw the Nemo rootfs, configure some stuff and use that kernel and it should just work | 16:22 |
| T4 | <Chipiguay> its 4" looked very nice from the distance | 16:22 |
| Leif_Erikson | T4: What was the SoC vendor? | 16:22 |
| T4 | <Chipiguay> I never had one on my hands | 16:23 |
| T4 | <samzn> TI | 16:23 |
| T4 | <locusf> and sgx gpu | 16:23 |
| T4 | <samzn> Old OMAP, but hardware was optimized to the last sweat towards it | 16:23 |
| T4 | <Chipiguay> I think they no longer build that kind of chips, right? | 16:23 |
| T4 | <samzn> Nope, iMX is the way to go for a free HW nowadays | 16:23 |
| T4 | <locusf> ti quit mobile socs quite early | 16:23 |
| T4 | <samzn> Qualcomm's monopoly fucked them hardly | 16:23 |
| T4 | <locusf> and broadcom? | 16:23 |
| T4 | <samzn> Mostly Qualcomm, you can't compete on the US market without them | 16:24 |
| T4 | <locusf> naturally :) | 16:24 |
| T4 | <Chipiguay> rpi cores are from broadcom? | 16:24 |
| T4 | <locusf> yes | 16:24 |
| T4 | <Chipiguay> I think it's something related to network support, right? | 16:24 |
| T4 | <locusf> broadcom makes 95% of wifi/bluetooth chips though | 16:24 |
| T4 | <locusf> its the cpu too | 16:25 |
| T4 | <Chipiguay> There was something of that in a recent Nokia documentary | 16:25 |
| Leif_Erikson | T4: Indeen, it would be difficult to get linux drivers from Qualcomm. Maybe our ODM can convince them. | 16:25 |
| Leif_Erikson | Who is the manufacurer of iMX? | 16:27 |
| T4 | <NotKit> Leif_Erikson, I fear even if they can, that's going to cost fortune. Tizen had (closed-source/blobs) Linux drivers from Qualcomm for exactly one device - Samsung Z2 produced for Russia | 16:27 |
| T4 | <samzn> Freescale, i think? | 16:27 |
| T4 | <locusf> nxp | 16:27 |
| T4 | <Chipiguay> Wow, I'm reading Qualcomm was close to buy NXP | 16:30 |
| T4 | <Chipiguay> [Edit] Wow, I'm reading Qualcomm was close to buy NXP back in 2016 | 16:30 |
| Leif_Erikson | T4: Tizen is Mer based open source isn't it? But I think the drivers are limited for the use of Samsung and not availabe, aren't they? | 16:31 |
| T4 | <locusf> its not mer based, in the accurate sense | 16:31 |
| T4 | <locusf> I don't even know what tizen is nowadays | 16:31 |
| T4 | <samzn> It's a big mess | 16:32 |
| T4 | <samzn> But even though it's really messy, it's strategic to samsung | 16:32 |
| Leif_Erikson | T4: I think thr focus is on smart TV. | 16:32 |
| T4 | <samzn> They've reinvented the wheel for a lot of components that he dind't nee | 16:32 |
| T4 | <samzn> d | 16:32 |
| T4 | <samzn> Tizen would be an OS for every market | 16:33 |
| T4 | <samzn> They even use it as leverage against google | 16:33 |
| T4 | <NotKit> @Leif_Erikson [T4: Tizen is Mer based open source isn't it? B …], it's MeeGo derivative with lots changed, and yes, they are just for Samsung and that specific Soc. Gave that as example that if you're on a scale of Samsung, Linux drivers are possible. | 17:26 |
| T4 | <K31j0> @NotKit [it's MeeGo derivative with lots changed, and y …], Spreadtrum or smthin | 17:27 |
| T4 | <K31j0> I wonder which kernel is running on them | 17:27 |
| T4 | <NotKit> 3.10.x | 17:28 |
| T4 | <K31j0> ohshi | 17:28 |
| T4 | <K31j0> good luck maintaining that | 17:28 |
| T4 | <K31j0> maybe it's why it was forgotten and then some security researcher found some ~100 critical bugs | 17:28 |
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