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| Leif_Erikson | Hello | 16:18 |
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| Leif_Erikson | My company plans a smartphone with a pre-installed alternative to Android and iOS. | 16:19 |
| Leif_Erikson | Sailfish OS is one of the candidates OS. But we also think about Nemo Mobile, because we heared, that the Nemo Mobile community is working on a convergenc euse case. | 16:20 |
| Leif_Erikson | This convergence use case would be implemented with Glacier UI | 16:21 |
| Leif_Erikson | Is it possible to install Nemo mobile on a Sailfish OS? I would check the status of NEmo Mobile. | 16:22 |
| Leif_Erikson | Is it true, that the Glacier UI does or will support a convergence use case? | 16:22 |
| T4 | <neochapay> Yes you can but Nemo not ready to everyday use | 16:22 |
| T4 | <neochapay> It's still in alpha | 16:23 |
| Leif_Erikson | Is the status comparable to Plasma Mobile and Postmarket OS? The core phone features are not working on that plattforms, yet. | 16:24 |
| T4 | Marc (MISSING @USERNAME! telegram.org/faq#usernames-and-t-me) was added by: Marc (MISSING @USERNAME! telegram.org/faq#usernames-and-t-me) | 16:26 |
| T4 | <neochapay> @Leif_Erikson [Is the status comparable to Plasma Mobile and …], On Nemo you can call and read sms send not working | 16:26 |
| Leif_Erikson | Are there builds for Sailfish devices like Intex Aqua Fish, Accione or Xperia X? In the Wiki, I only was builds for a very old Nokia device. | 16:27 |
| Leif_Erikson | i would like to test Nemo Mobile. | 16:33 |
| T4 | <neochapay> @Leif_Erikson [i would like to test Nemo Mobile.], You can install Nemo on all sailfishos device | 16:41 |
| T4 | <samzn> Hey, don't call the N9 old 😞 | 16:41 |
| Leif_Erikson | I only saw N900. Is that the same device? | 16:42 |
| T4 | <samzn> Nemo Wiki needs some urgent updates | 16:42 |
| Leif_Erikson | Do I have to build the source code for a Sailfish device? I didn't find an installation guide in the Wiki. | 16:43 |
| T4 | <samzn> There are prebuilt packages on the openrepos store, not sure how up to date they are though | 16:44 |
| T4 | <neochapay> Read this | 16:44 |
| T4 | <neochapay> Fwd from neochapay: https://neochapay.ru/blogs/zapiski-utkonosa-programmista/instructions-to-update-nexus5-to-latest-.html | 16:44 |
| Leif_Erikson | T4: Thanks, I will do. | 16:48 |
| Leif_Erikson | Does someone know , that the people behind Glacier plan to support a convergence use case? | 16:49 |
| Leif_Erikson | someone told me in a Telegram group. | 16:50 |
| T4 | <samzn> I don't think so, but I had filled a issue on nemo bugtracker before I was involved in development asking for it | 16:50 |
| T4 | <samzn> And seems like lipstick has all resources to support it | 16:51 |
| Leif_Erikson | T4: Unfortuantely we have only a 5x developer device, some Intex Aqua Fish, Wiley Fox and Fairphones. But we could order a Nexus 5 | 16:52 |
| Leif_Erikson | T4: Do you tvink. Maybe Jolla can help us. We are already in contact with them, but they couldn't tell us any implementation approach yet. | 16:53 |
| T4 | <samzn> I have a lot of ideas on my head on how to support that properly | 16:55 |
| T4 | <samzn> Just haven't found the proper time to put them on paper | 16:55 |
| T4 | <samzn> There's a lot that we can borrow from Unity 8 and Plasma Mobile to support that | 16:55 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +v T4 | 17:04 | |
| r0kk3rz | Leif_Erikson: do you have a ux design for convergence? | 18:12 |
| Leif_Erikson | r0kk3rz: Yes, we have design and on the conceptual level for a different UX for both mobile and desktop. | 19:30 |
| T4 | <neochapay> You can publish it ? | 19:31 |
| T4 | <neochapay> Just send it on chat and we will think about it | 19:31 |
| Leif_Erikson | Tverefore we think of contributing to Nemo Mobile with Glacier. But, if Nemo Mobile needs too much effort to bring it on a stable release we may modify Sailfish. | 19:32 |
| Leif_Erikson | T4: it's a long paper. We are currently in the first prototype stage to evaluate the concept with a focus group. | 19:34 |
| Leif_Erikson | In addition we use this stage for a technical feasabiliy study. Therefore I'm looking for a way to drmonstrate tve convergence use case. | 19:35 |
| Leif_Erikson | So I've two questions: | 19:35 |
| Leif_Erikson | 1. How to install Nemo Mobile? | 19:35 |
| Leif_Erikson | 2. How could a convercence use case be implemented? | 19:36 |
| Leif_Erikson | If the Glacier team is working on tvat, we could share ressources. | 19:36 |
| Leif_Erikson | We first will simulate the new mobile UX with an app. | 19:38 |
| Leif_Erikson | The convergence use case is an open challenge. | 19:38 |
| Leif_Erikson | Jolla told us, that full Linux apos shoulf run on Sailfish, if they are build for Waylanf. | 19:39 |
| Leif_Erikson | The "desktop" is the real challange. | 19:40 |
| T4 | <NotKit> <Leif_Erikson> 1. How to install Nemo Mobile? - you can currently try it on Sailfish port with link provided by neochapay | 19:41 |
| T4 | <NotKit> as for full Linux apps, they should run, but beware that lipstick compositor isn't tailored for that and Sailfish userspace is a bit ancient compared to what desktop distros have now | 19:42 |
| Leif_Erikson | T4: Unfortunately the linked article describes an i.stallation for Nexus 5. I eill try to buy this device on ebay. | 19:46 |
| Leif_Erikson | I also found Glacier UX on Open Repos. I will read the article and check wether the Sailfish implementation of Lipdtick can be replaced by Glacier on a developer device. | 19:47 |
| Leif_Erikson | But Nemo Mobile has also different badic apps, hadn't it? | 19:48 |
| T4 | <NotKit> Leif_Erikson, this will work on any other device with Sailfish | 19:48 |
| Leif_Erikson | They are not part of Glacier, aren't they? | 19:49 |
| T4 | <NotKit> like Aqua Fish or Nexus 5X | 19:49 |
| Leif_Erikson | T4: Good news. Thanks. | 19:50 |
| Leif_Erikson | Back to the convergence use case. We are also talking witv KDE and UBPorts fozndation, but Nemo and Sailfish have a great usabiliy. | 19:51 |
| Leif_Erikson | And I line the ideas for Glacier, that are linked in the Wiki. | 19:51 |
| Leif_Erikson | An one hint in a Telecram grozp, the the Glacier team is working on convercence has motivated me to find tvese develipers. | 19:53 |
| Leif_Erikson | What do you thing about a boout camp to bring Nemo developers together. Our company cozld host one. | 19:54 |
| Leif_Erikson | Sorry for my typos. I'm currently usring my phone. | 19:59 |
| r0kk3rz | ubports already has convergence no? | 20:43 |
| Leif_Erikson | r0kk3rz: Yes. implementing the UI with Unity8 Shell and QtMir on UBPorts would the other option, thaz we evaluate. | 21:38 |
| Leif_Erikson | The mobile UX of Sailfish is on tve other hand much better. | 21:40 |
| Leif_Erikson | It would require just some customisation. | 21:40 |
| Leif_Erikson | There is the advanced gesture control, minimized apps for the overview, trancparency and minimalistic UI | 21:42 |
| Leif_Erikson | After I switched to Sailfish also for my productive phone iOS and Android feels anachronistic. | 21:43 |
| T4 | <samzn> TDesktop already runs beautifuly on sailfish, pure linux application 🙂 | 21:44 |
| T4 | <samzn> I will publish my design docs for Glacier Manhattan asap so we could discuss both of them | 21:45 |
| T4 | <samzn> Are you with a company? | 21:45 |
| Leif_Erikson | T4: TDesktop? Sounds interesting. on Open Repos? Is it an approach of a parallel installation, that shares services like accounts, addressbooj, etc? | 21:47 |
| Leif_Erikson | T4: Yes, we will pevelop a Smartphone with a pre-installed iOS and Android alternative for the European market. | 21:48 |
| Leif_Erikson | T4: I just searched for TDesktop. It's the Telegramm app. | 21:52 |
| Leif_Erikson | I'm looking forward to see the Glacier concepts. | 21:53 |
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