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| marmistrz | Hi, bhushanshah! I'm just wondering: what's the reason to create kirigami when there's QtQuickControls2? | 07:31 |
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| T4 | <neochapay> omagad! How many messages in chanel ^_^ | 07:33 |
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| r0kk3rz | neochapay, apparently people are rallying against qml component sets for some reason | 07:49 |
| T4 | <neochapay> ha...ha...ha....okay...remove all and rewrite it! Again....no | 07:52 |
| T4 | <neochapay> if you have so much free time add plz wifi plugin to glacier settings.... | 07:53 |
| T4 | <neochapay> but no...we will talk about components and qcc qnd build system and about alot of unimporteamnt now things...while-three people write code | 07:55 |
| r0kk3rz | indeed | 07:56 |
| T4 | <faenil> They are just asking questions, which is perfectly welcome. Please keep it friendly :) | 07:56 |
| T4 | <neochapay> I`am so frendly I'm friendlier than a cat! Old evil cat.... | 07:58 |
| T4 | <faenil> :D | 07:59 |
| T4 | <neochapay> Second day i try build gcc5 https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:neochapay/gcc5 | 08:09 |
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| T4 | <ilyaishere> @marmistrz [<marmistrz> Hi, bhushanshah! I'm just wonderin …], Kirigami does not replace QQC2, it's built on top of them | 08:48 |
| bshah | Yeah what @ilyaishere said | 08:50 |
| bshah | Kirigami is built on top of qqc2, it supports some additional components which are not upstreamed for $reasons and also provides some convience navigation/command patterns | 08:50 |
| T4 | <neochapay> Who can say me - why we talk about Kirigami and QQC2 ? | 08:51 |
| T4 | <faenil> It might be someone who attended Fosdem, where we had a meetup with the guys from Purism, in order to share opinions and advices and provide them with experiences about why previous projects failed | 08:54 |
| T4 | <faenil> Or, did not have a great success | 08:54 |
| T4 | <faenil> One of the topics was the UI, since Purism doesn't have one yet for the their phone | 08:54 |
| T4 | <faenil> So the questions here might be people rightfully exploring the space :) | 08:55 |
| T4 | <neochapay> Oh...Because we allways try rewrite all ? :) | 08:55 |
| T4 | <faenil> We try not to...but that is what all Linux-related projects do a lot of times. 'I am missing that feature, so I will make my own fork or reinvent it because I am cool I can make a better one' | 08:56 |
| marmistrz | bshah, you mean that upstream doesn't accept your components? | 08:57 |
| bshah | marmistrz: well it does, sure there are lots of things upstreamed from kirigami | 08:57 |
| T4 | <faenil> marmistrz, probably that those components are specific to kirigami UI, not generic enough to make sense to upstream then | 08:57 |
| bshah | but basically sometimes due to release cycles it is best to have it for time being in our repo e.g | 08:57 |
| bshah | also what @faenil said | 08:58 |
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| T4 | <faenil> Which is fine, AS LONG AS you can still just run a barebone desktop/othermobileOS app written with QQC2 and run it unchanged with Kirigami styling | 08:58 |
| r0kk3rz | honestly qml component sets are the least of your worries when making cross platform apps :P | 08:59 |
| T4 | <neochapay> YEA! | 08:59 |
| T4 | <faenil> It's a psycological barrier, they dont' even try, if they know they need to write another UI | 09:00 |
| T4 | <neochapay> We have broken OBS - Who is doing this? No one. | 09:00 |
| bshah | but well just to clarify kirigami is not orthogonal to QtQuickControls | 09:00 |
| T4 | <neochapay> We don`t have images - Who is doing this? No one. | 09:00 |
| bshah | we do heavily depend on qtquickcontrols2 | 09:00 |
| T4 | <neochapay> But when we talk about QML-QCC2 and other....Everyone want talk :))) But write conde and do PR in github - nonono! We only talk :))) | 09:01 |
| T4 | <neochapay> Why we must use qtquickcontrols2 and kirigamy? Becouse it so sexy? not argument! Glacier components good simply and do their work. And sexy to...hehehe | 09:03 |
| T4 | <neochapay> I'm so angry that I broke my nexus4 :( | 09:04 |
| T4 | <neochapay> oh...it`s work :) | 09:06 |
| r0kk3rz | whats glacier based upon these days, could it work on sfos? | 09:07 |
| r0kk3rz | or is qt5.6 too old | 09:07 |
| T4 | <neochapay> yes it can work on sfos | 09:07 |
| r0kk3rz | nice, i might have to switch my matrix app to glacier then | 09:08 |
| T4 | <neochapay> https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier/Installing instructions | 09:08 |
| T4 | <eekkelund> No need to be angry @neochapay :) … The point here is that dev should be able to write app only with Qt.Quick.Controls and then it depends UI where app is run which Styling it will use. … IMO this should maybe be case in Nemo also, we don't need to rewrite anything, just move styling some how in clever way to other package. … Then if de | 09:08 |
| T4 | v wants to create more Nemo feeel&look app, the dev will use Qt.Quick.Controls.Nemo which has nemo specific controls. Same way for example with kirigami :) | 09:08 |
| T4 | <eekkelund> @r0kk3rz [<r0kk3rz> nice, i might have to switch my matr …], uuuuuuwoo, you could implement it straight to messages app?! | 09:11 |
| T4 | <ilyaishere> @neochapay [Why we must use qtquickcontrols2 and kirigamy? …], That's what @faenil said, in action: reinventing. … As for the real advantages, QQC2 are way lighter and faster. | 09:13 |
| r0kk3rz | eekkelund: is that a telepathy thing though? | 09:13 |
| T4 | <samzn> Current applications wouldnt need to be rewritten to make use of QQC2 | 09:23 |
| T4 | <samzn> But I see his point of concern | 09:23 |
| T4 | <samzn> And I don't see why we would use Kirigami, leave that to plasma mobile and to developers that want to integrate it separately, but not as a core component | 09:25 |
| T4 | <samzn> [Edit] Current applications wouldnt need to be rewritten to make use of QQC2, and most of Glacier code can be used to theme QQC2 | 09:27 |
| T4 | <faenil> Thanks @eetu, that is a better summary of what I meant | 09:32 |
| T4 | <faenil> @neochapay nobody is *working* on those subjects, no time is being on that. We are just chatting ;) | 09:33 |
| r0kk3rz | where is sauce for libglacierapp? | 09:37 |
| r0kk3rz | aha under nemomobile-ux | 09:39 |
| T4 | <neochapay> (Sticker, 512x512) http://silta.piraatit.fi:9090/Y4y82WtbaY.png | 09:42 |
| marmistrz | thanks for explanation. btw. I'll go ahead try running glacier on my phone... | 09:44 |
| marmistrz | :) | 09:44 |
| T4 | <faenil> marmistrz :) | 09:47 |
| NeoChapay | yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ^_^ | 10:05 |
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| marmistrz | xD | 10:10 |
| r0kk3rz | NeoChapay: so in theory i should be able to add your glacier OBS repo and install glacier-music on sailfish? | 10:11 |
| r0kk3rz | for eg. | 10:11 |
| T4 | <neochapay> Yeap but now it work not correct :) | 10:12 |
| r0kk3rz | thats ok :) | 10:12 |
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| T4 | <neochapay> What device will we consider reference? I suggest Nexus 5 :) | 10:52 |
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| T4 | <neochapay> [Edit] Which device will we consider reference? I suggest Nexus 5 :) | 11:04 |
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| T4 | <neochapay> Okay....gcc5 for x86 build correct on obs....next - will correct rpm packacing... | 11:35 |
| T4 | <NotKit> I'm in process of packaging for postmarketOS (feature/nemo branch), it has pretty much newest components compared to Mer | 11:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | NeoChapay: ah yes it crashed :) | 12:27 |
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| r0kk3rz | NeoChapay: maybe you need to borrow some of my sparql queries from sirensong :) | 12:30 |
| T4 | <eekkelund> sirensong for nemo ?:) | 12:30 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont use much of silica so it should be possible | 12:31 |
| r0kk3rz | but tbh it could probably do with a rewrite anyway, it was my first ever qt/qml app after all | 12:53 |
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| T4 | <ilyaishere> (Photo, 492x108) http://silta.piraatit.fi:9090/4KnXrohtUM.png | 13:43 |
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| luvspamchrono | WOW GUYS THIS PARTY @ IRC.SUPERNETS.ORG #SUPERBOWL IS STILL GOING ON!! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT??? CHRONO WANTS YOU TO JOIN THE FUN COME NOW!! | 21:57 |
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