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| SergeyChupliginT | https://github.com/neochapay/qtquickcontrols-nemo/blob/theming/src/controls/theme.h add theming prototype | 05:56 |
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| eetuTelegram[m] | 👌Nice !:) | 06:44 |
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| locusf | good :) | 06:53 |
| kimmoli | what's the e5 ? | 06:55 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | Copypaste accident ?:D | 06:59 |
| SergeyChupliginT | ooops | 07:03 |
| SergeyChupliginT | fix :) | 07:06 |
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| FabioIsgrTelegra | good morning all | 08:36 |
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| mal | @SergeyChupliginT after that there is the huge task of replacing the hardcoded values everywhere in the current code | 08:58 |
| SergeyChupliginT | yeap...not huge...just big :)))) | 09:07 |
| NeoChapay | why on matrix show my nick show as "SergeyChupligin" i have normal alias @neochapay like irc.... | 09:08 |
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| locusf | its due to the matrix integration to telegram | 09:43 |
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| locusf | https://asteroidos.org/wiki/porting-guide/ if anyone likes to take a try at porting with open embedded to regular mobile devices, kido has made a swell tutorial | 09:52 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | Nice ! | 09:52 |
| stephg | cool | 09:55 |
| locusf | the process is potentially 1:1 | 09:56 |
| qwazix | SergeyChupliginT, yep, will do | 09:59 |
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| qwazix | mal, I'd do last view visible as default | 09:59 |
| qwazix | be back in a while | 10:01 |
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| mal | @SergeyChupliginT should the themeing also contain the background image support or something | 11:19 |
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| NeoChapay | qwazix: i did not forget any constants | 11:28 |
| NeoChapay | ? | 11:28 |
| NeoChapay | mal: i thnik background set in setting application not in theme...or not ? | 11:29 |
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| mal | NeoChapay: could be | 11:39 |
| qwazix | NeoChapay, about what? | 11:46 |
| qwazix | theme.h? | 11:47 |
| mal | I think that | 11:51 |
| qwazix | I think that the text constants should be QML elements with size, weight and transform set, instead of using size as a constant | 11:53 |
| qwazix | so that you just use NormalText { text: "Hello World!" } instead of having to remember to set Text { text: "Hello World!"; font.pointSize: theme.fontSizeMedium; font.weight: Font.Light } | 11:56 |
| mal | qwazix: well we should normally use Label which should have the default values set already and then if user wants something different then that can be set | 11:57 |
| qwazix | okay, maybe I'm suggesting too much abstraction. Then it seems fine. We can always add values later. | 11:59 |
| mal | https://github.com/neochapay/qtquickcontrols-nemo/blob/theming/src/controls/Label.qml | 11:59 |
| qwazix | yep, no need for another level | 12:00 |
| qwazix | This was an early idea for a dialer (before glacier was a thing) http://play.qwazix.com/grog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/newNemoFirstGlance.png | 12:05 |
| qwazix | I'd really like to have an option to neural-style all the contact avatars (https://github.com/jcjohnson/neural-style) | 12:09 |
| mal | qwazix: did you ever make any message app design or mockup | 12:11 |
| qwazix | mal, don't think so. Let me search though | 12:13 |
| mal | I think it's quite important to have at least a working apps for calling and messages so the basic usage of a mobile phone can be achieved | 12:15 |
| qwazix | You are right, I'm starting work on those right away. | 12:16 |
| mal | qwazix: at least some kind of preliminary design to use for initial implementation, the dialer app work already but has no proper appearance | 12:19 |
| qwazix | mal, won't take long | 12:25 |
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| mal | as I was investigating the permission issues yesterday I was thinking if we should have the needed permissions included for each glacier app separately or in some central file with all of the base apps? | 13:14 |
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| qwazix | mal, I was giving a thought to that and I think that what we really need to do is fix the underlying issue. Treat the device as a phone, not as a server. On phones (and personal computers for that matter) controlling the hardware is done by the user depending on the circumstances, there must be a way to allow the user to turn bluetooth on and off without requiring giving privileges to the settings app. | 13:34 |
| mal | qwazix: well the issue is here https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/bluez/blob/master/bluez/plugins/jolla-dbus-access.c#L59 | 13:35 |
| qwazix | Not only being unable to allow settings applets in an open OS is sub-optimal, but I'm sure there will be a security issue some time in the future from that design choice. The settings app has a huge attack surface | 13:35 |
| mal | unless we rewrite a custom dbus plugin | 13:35 |
| qwazix | by privileged I was assuming root am I correct? | 13:38 |
| mal | not sure exactly, maybe it's not a real root | 13:38 |
| mal | we can define in configs which permissions each app needs | 13:38 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | Im concerned about security of giving priviledged access to settings app | 13:39 |
| mal | there is only certain set of permissions | 13:39 |
| mal | eetuTelegram[m]: but not having any control is even worse imo | 13:39 |
| qwazix | eetuTelegram[m], I was expressing the same thing but if it's a special uid which has a bit more power that the uid running other apps it might be okay | 13:39 |
| mal | qwazix: I think it's gid not uid | 13:39 |
| qwazix | mal, yep, I can see that now | 13:40 |
| qwazix | do we know how jolla is handling the granular permissions thingie? | 13:41 |
| mal | qwazix: "Each line consists of the full path to an application followed by a comma and then a list of permissions. Valid permission categories are: a = accounts/signon data, c = calendar data, e = email data, h = communication history data, i = image data, l = location/gps data, m = messaging data, n = events/notifications data, p = people/contacts data, r = rpm packages data, s = settings data, u = multim | 13:41 |
| mal | edia/music/video data" | 13:41 |
| mal | so quite limited stuff can be made with those afaik | 13:42 |
| qwazix | mal, implementation-wise, running everything under different uid/gid? | 13:42 |
| qwazix | I never thought I'd say that but was aegis OSS? | 13:42 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | How permissions are checked? DAC is not 'enough' imo :D | 13:48 |
| mal | qwazix: those apps run as the normal nemo user but with a separate group | 13:49 |
| qwazix | mal, got it | 13:49 |
| qwazix | eetuTelegram[m], if the settings gid isn't root and just gives access to wifi/bt on off then it's not too bad, is it? | 13:51 |
| mal | qwazix: we also need to give it some other of those permissions I listed but none are really bad | 13:52 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | qwazix, yeah just got it. It is not that bad, always could be better:) i can study this | 13:53 |
| qwazix | mal, and there are enough groups to address all possible combinations of those permissions? | 13:54 |
| qwazix | (I just think that a 50yo permission system is starting to be inadequate for modern uses) | 13:56 |
| mal | qwazix: just one groups afaik, something is checking if the permissions for that specific feature are set in the configuration | 14:05 |
| qwazix | ah, okay, let's not speculate more if eetuTelegram[m] is willing to study it. Though if it's not terrible I'm not inclined to deviate from jolla's implementation. More work for us and possible compatibility nightmare with sailfish apps | 14:08 |
| mal | qwazix: I think it would cause a lot of changes to move to some other permission method | 14:09 |
| qwazix | yep | 14:10 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | Reply to qwazix (IRC): | 14:16 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | >qwazix (IRC): (I just think that a 50yo permission system is starting to be inadequate for modern uses) | 14:16 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | MAC ?;D | 14:16 |
| qwazix | mac as in macOS or am I missing something? | 14:22 |
| qwazix | also, http://qwazix.com/shared/nemo/dialer.pdf | 14:22 |
| mal | qwazix: looks good, what is the point of that top part if there is a separate log? | 14:25 |
| qwazix | autocomplete | 14:26 |
| mal | ah | 14:26 |
| qwazix | default state is empty | 14:26 |
| NeoChapay | qwazix: add to wiki :) | 14:33 |
| qwazix | NeoChapay, it's just a first draft. I have two more pages to do and I'm sure there will be some revision. I'll add to wiki once done. | 14:34 |
| qwazix | for now please share comments/ideas | 14:35 |
| NeoChapay | qwazix: on top tabs or some else ? | 14:36 |
| qwazix | whatever. If we discuss it now we won't have to change it later | 14:37 |
| SamTelegram[m] | So is Swordfish OS & Turing Phone boiling snake oil? | 14:39 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | Reply to Sam (Telegram): | 14:50 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | >So is Swordfish OS & Turing Phone boiling snake oil? | 14:50 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | Seems like that:D | 14:50 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | qwazix: Mandatory access control :) | 14:54 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | There should be seperate keyboard made for numbers | 14:55 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | I have been boing nemo maliit keyboard:) scaling mainly | 14:56 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | Seperate keyboard layout for numbers* Like in that dialer | 14:57 |
| mal | does that need to be a maliit keyboard | 14:58 |
| mal | since that is supposed to be always visible | 14:58 |
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| qwazix | mal, it shouldn't be IMO, but a number layout is needed anyway. | 15:05 |
| qwazix | I think we should just steal one though. No need to innovate there. | 15:05 |
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| mal | qwazix: yes, we could have some generic number layout for that and pin query for example? | 15:07 |
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| qwazix | mal, pin query is also static, could use the dialer layout (i.e. not maliit), but maliit still needs a number layout for numeric inputs | 15:09 |
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| mal | qwazix: yes, that's what I meant | 15:11 |
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| qwazix | so, I'll rip out the keypad from the dialer and commit it to glacier-controls-spec as static-numpad | 15:12 |
| mal | qwazix: the current dialer is very bad looking so needs to be fixed before that | 15:13 |
| qwazix | I meant from the dialer mockup | 15:13 |
| mal | sure | 15:13 |
| mal | misread the glacier-controls-spec as the actual implementation repo :) | 15:14 |
| qwazix | :nod: | 15:14 |
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| qwazix | http://qwazix.com/shared/numpad-static.pdf | 15:42 |
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| qwazix | and updated phone mockup http://qwazix.com/shared/phone.pdf | 15:59 |
| SamTelegram[m] | I dig it :) | 16:06 |
| SamTelegram[m] | I think we could use iconography on the top instead of words though | 16:06 |
| SamTelegram[m] | And I think there's enough room to put the entire phone number without affecting visibility | 16:07 |
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| SamTelegram[m] | maybe like this | 16:07 |
| SamTelegram[m] | I don't know how we could present the icons on the top nicely giving a feedback to swipe though | 16:07 |
| SamTelegram[m] | I also liked the faint gray color you had in some of your concepts | 16:08 |
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| SamTelegram[m] | Gives a nice sense of UI hierarchy | 16:11 |
| SamTelegram[m] | where's the call button though? | 16:14 |
| qwazix | SamTelegram[m], there is, I just thought I'd emphasize the last few digits as usually that's what people use to distinguish phone numbers | 16:15 |
| SamTelegram[m] | Ah | 16:15 |
| mal | well most people would select the numbers from contact list and not from that | 16:15 |
| qwazix | You're right. There's no way to call the number as typed :P | 16:16 |
| mal | and use dialer only for unknown numbers | 16:16 |
| SamTelegram[m] | how will we deal with SIP and multiple simcards? | 16:16 |
| qwazix | good questions. That's why we need discussion. Let me think about that... | 16:17 |
| mal | probably some setting in settings app to determine which sim to use for calls or something | 16:17 |
| mal | like on jolla phone | 16:17 |
| mal | *jolla c | 16:18 |
| qwazix | Why did you change little milo's name? | 16:18 |
| qwazix | :-) | 16:18 |
| SamTelegram[m] | N9's solution to that seems pretty elegant but I don't know if we have room for it | 16:18 |
| mal | no idea what SIP is :) | 16:18 |
| qwazix | mal Voip | 16:18 |
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| SamTelegram[m] | You tap the top and you change between SIP, skype or mobile data | 16:18 |
| qwazix | i.e. phones that are chars, not digits | 16:18 |
| SamTelegram[m] | mobile call* | 16:18 |
| qwazix | there's lots of space, the numpad is huge, we can make it smaller | 16:20 |
| mal | the numpad could be something like half of the screen | 16:20 |
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| SamTelegram[m] | maybe less than that | 16:22 |
| SamTelegram[m] | there's still enough padding | 16:22 |
| qwazix | /home/qwazix/projects/glacier/glacier-apps/phone/phone.pdf | 16:24 |
| qwazix | sorry | 16:24 |
| qwazix | http://qwazix.com/shared/phone.pdf | 16:24 |
| SamTelegram[m] | I think maybe a drop down button right before the dialer | 16:26 |
| SamTelegram[m] | besides the dialer* | 16:26 |
| mal | we also need to check how the sim card for example is even selected in code level | 16:27 |
| qwazix | And for typing text there should be a (universal) way of forcing the keyboard up | 16:28 |
| qwazix | gtg, seeya later | 16:30 |
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| SamTelegram[m] | aye | 16:30 |
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| SamTelegram[m] | padding is really unoptimal but I was thinking something like this | 16:43 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | Also messaging app should have support different telepathy accounts/plugins :) | 16:49 |
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| locusf | whaa.. | 17:12 |
| locusf | its done already? | 17:12 |
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| mal | @eetuTelegram[m]: let's not make it too complex at first | 17:24 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | Well it should be designed that in mind :) | 17:31 |
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| SamTelegram[m] | What are we using for the backend of the messaging app | 17:33 |
| mal | qwazix: for the numpad there wuold have been another option, having the letter below the number | 17:53 |
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| SamTelegram[m] | SIP uses numbers | 18:05 |
| SamTelegram[m] | other VOIP services should call numbers by default, only use names if they are in your contact list | 18:06 |
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| qwazix | SamTelegram[m], SIP uses both and sometimes it's useful to be able to use names (in case you don't remember the number) | 18:55 |
| qwazix | mal, yep but I find it more elegant like this | 18:57 |
| mal | qwazix: ok | 18:57 |
| SamTelegram[m] | I like your design a lot | 18:58 |
| qwazix | thanks, I'll play with it a bit more to iron out rough edges | 18:58 |
| SamTelegram[m] | But I think that the font between contact name and location should have the same font size, just different height | 18:58 |
| SamTelegram[m] | makes padding symmetrical | 18:58 |
| SamTelegram[m] | different font weight* | 18:58 |
| SamTelegram[m] | and use icons on the top instead of text | 19:00 |
| qwazix | the tabbed view of the header isn't implemented yet is it? | 19:02 |
| locusf | should be | 19:03 |
| locusf | ok I suppose not | 19:04 |
| qwazix | ok, good. We're ditching it :P | 19:06 |
| SamTelegram[m] | http://ionicons.com/ | 19:13 |
| SamTelegram[m] | Do we have a set of icons for contexts of the interface yet? | 19:14 |
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| qwazix | those icons look good, I suppose we could modify some of them if they are OSS | 19:35 |
| qwazix | check this out again http://qwazix.com/shared/phone.pdf | 19:35 |
| qwazix | yeah it says MIT up there | 19:36 |
| qwazix | This approach also solves the problem of which account is used to call when on the other pages, since the header is independent of the pages | 19:41 |
| qwazix | It also solves the problem of adding more settings if required | 19:41 |
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| SamTelegram[m] | the license is pretty neat, MIT | 19:49 |
| SamTelegram[m] | a small icon besides the dialer textbox would be more ideal | 19:50 |
| SamTelegram[m] | the average user would almost never really change that | 19:50 |
| SamTelegram[m] | putting contacts/log/etc on the top would be hard to reach for such a essential feature if we drop swipes | 19:51 |
| SamTelegram[m] | small icon besides the dialer for changing simcards/services* | 19:52 |
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| mal | qwazix: there is some tabbed view already but it has the tabs under the header | 19:58 |
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| qwazix | mal, in this mockups the tabs are controlled by the buttons on the header | 20:23 |
| qwazix | do you think that's easy to do? | 20:23 |
| qwazix | also I'd like everybody's opinion on this: should the contacts page in the phone app and the contacts app be one thing or two separate things? | 20:24 |
| qwazix | http://qwazix.com/shared/phone.pdf | 20:25 |
| qwazix | this one supposes they are two different things, and so keeps things focused on voice | 20:25 |
| qwazix | gtg, talk later | 20:26 |
| mal | qwazix: that's a good question, the phone app would become quite complex if it would contain the contacts app also | 20:26 |
| qwazix | SamTelegram[m], that's why it's in the header: it's closed by default. I'm just showing it open here. | 20:27 |
| qwazix | also I don't think we need to drop swipes with this layout | 20:28 |
| qwazix | anyway, later | 20:28 |
| SamTelegram[m] | contacts app would also contain contacts from other services that are not telephony | 20:37 |
| SamTelegram[m] | email contacts, etc | 20:37 |
| SamTelegram[m] | they can share the same mobile, just use a simple attrib to query contacts with phone in the phone app | 20:37 |
| SamTelegram[m] | share the same module* | 20:37 |
| mal | something like that probably | 20:42 |
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