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r0kk3rztbr: did you think much on the security aspect of mqtt notifications?10:46
r0kk3rzi think ive figured out a reasonable way of doing it anyway11:00
r0kk3rzyou can use the notificationcategories folder as a subscription list, so if you have x.nemo.irssi.conf the client will subscribe to /sailfish/[devid]/notifications/x.nemo.irssi11:01
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tbrr0kk3rz: I was thinking of several approaches, one would be to relegate MQTT completely to being a transport layer and doing the message routing client side, e.g. by mapping them to dbus12:27
r0kk3rztbr: yeah i guess, i was thinking specifically as a push notifications service12:28
r0kk3rzsince with a small amount of rejigging your python script can be service agnostic12:28
r0kk3rzby including the x-nemo.ident in the packet12:29
tbrone thing that also needs to be taken care of is end to end encryption12:32
tbrtransport layer encryption is nice, but still the server has access to all messages in plain text12:32
r0kk3rztbr: yeah i guess MQTT doesnt do anthing like that and so you'd have to handle it out-of-band by encrypting the payload12:34
tbrI'd want to have public keys for the end points, so that the messages can be encrypted securely12:36
r0kk3rzyeah i guess being dbus call agnostic wouldnt be super hard to do either really12:40
r0kk3rzthe scope is creeping a bit, but i think i have a reasonable direction to get something started and functional12:44
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taaemr0kk3rz: out of curiosity what are you trying todo with MQTT?14:35
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r0kk3rztaaem: theres been an idea (mostly tbrs) of having a push notifications service that uses MQTT14:36
r0kk3rzmore recently there has been some discussion on the sailfish devel mailing list about it14:37
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taaemr0kk3rz: nice idea, will check mailing list14:37
r0kk3rztaaem: people have been using a proof-of-concept for irssi notifications for some time now14:38
tbrit was very good to validate the concept and it works really well for most of us14:39
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taaemr0kk3rz: tbr wouldn't the target be a open-source push receiver application installed by default on sailfish (or through dependencies) and that gets all notifications for one device and forwards them through dbus to the respective services/apps?14:45
r0kk3rztaaem: currently all sailfish notifications are dbus calls, so the service just needs to translate mqtt packets into dbus calls14:46
r0kk3rzbut yes, thats the general idea14:47
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tbryes, there is a 1+ years old architecture diagram somewhereâ„¢ in my twitter feed14:48
tbrah, search engines remember: https://twitter.com/tbr23/status/49637258141998284814:49
taaemtbr: so either the the mqtt client directly post a notification in the name of a service or it could forward the message to the service and then it could to some processing and then notify the user14:52
tbryes, those are two possible cases14:53
taaemessentially this would improve battery and the need for devs to background services to their apps14:53
taaemits like google cloud messaging and i think apple has a similar service14:53
tbrcorrect14:53
tbrit is not reinventing the wheel, but should base on existing concepts14:54
w00thttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-webpush-protocol-02 may be worth a read14:55
taaemtbr: and opensource would also be nice14:55
tbrtaaem: all my efforts are in various repositories in my github account: github.com/dm8tbr/14:56
tbras you would know, if you'd read the mailing list thread14:56
r0kk3rztaaem: theres no reason why you couldnt run the same service for gnome desktop notifications, or anything using the freedesktop standard14:57
taaemtbr: just read it14:57
tbryes, people have used multiple clients, including desktop notifications (sailfish is a slight variation of that) and windows notifications14:58
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r0kk3rzhmm, i guess i should also factor in asteroid into this14:59
faenil:)15:09
tbrw00t: yeah, need to look at that. Also I want to try mqtt over websockets, as mosquitto supports that now.15:10
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r0kk3rzok, as a rudimentary service agnostic notifications script that works reasonably16:33
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r0kk3rzw00t: is there anything brewing in Qt land wrt push notifications?17:43
tbrI think they even had something, but it was part of their subscription package17:56
mal-how accurate is this https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier ? I was thinking about doing some contribution but need to think what to do17:59
tbrhttps://blog.qt.io/blog/2014/04/03/qt-cloud-services-introduces-real-time-communication/18:00
r0kk3rzmal-: best speak to faenil, its probably accurate enough but i think there was some reinvigoration to get it finished18:01
tbralso the downside of the Qt thing is that it's per application, not per platform AFAIU18:05
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r0kk3rztbr: yeah it a bit of a shame they didnt open it up as something you can run yourself18:07
tbrwell, for them it's a vehicle to sell their cloud offering18:08
r0kk3rzyou can still sell a cloud offering whilst allowing people to run their own version of the same thing18:09
r0kk3rzi thought the whole point of cloud things was 'have money so its not my problem'18:10
tbrwho knows what damagement thought18:10
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tbrmaybe 'oh, we'll keep this shiny IPR, so that we can have it as an asset in our books'18:11
tbrI'm still not sure if the canonical push message service is fully open source. they were awfully secretive or at least intransparent about it18:11
r0kk3rzive had a look at the developer docs for it, but im still not sure18:12
w00thttps://github.com/qtcloudservices/mws18:13
w00tthat stuff is all shutting down, so shrug18:13
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faenilmal-: awesome :) so, the current plan is to rework Glacier Components to be qtquickcontrols2-based18:23
faenilmal-: I haven't started yet because I wanted to wait for the OE recipes by kido and locusf to get a working nemo image with qt5.6 before starting, but I think it would make sense to even start by developing them on Desktop right now18:25
mal-ok18:26
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faenilvgrade: any luck with the build?21:18
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r0kk3rztbr: FYI https://github.com/r0kk3rz/mqtt-notify21:56
r0kk3rzincase you wanted to get notifications from something other than irssi21:57
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