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r0kk3rz | tbr: did you think much on the security aspect of mqtt notifications? | 10:46 |
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r0kk3rz | i think ive figured out a reasonable way of doing it anyway | 11:00 |
r0kk3rz | you can use the notificationcategories folder as a subscription list, so if you have x.nemo.irssi.conf the client will subscribe to /sailfish/[devid]/notifications/x.nemo.irssi | 11:01 |
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tbr | r0kk3rz: I was thinking of several approaches, one would be to relegate MQTT completely to being a transport layer and doing the message routing client side, e.g. by mapping them to dbus | 12:27 |
r0kk3rz | tbr: yeah i guess, i was thinking specifically as a push notifications service | 12:28 |
r0kk3rz | since with a small amount of rejigging your python script can be service agnostic | 12:28 |
r0kk3rz | by including the x-nemo.ident in the packet | 12:29 |
tbr | one thing that also needs to be taken care of is end to end encryption | 12:32 |
tbr | transport layer encryption is nice, but still the server has access to all messages in plain text | 12:32 |
r0kk3rz | tbr: yeah i guess MQTT doesnt do anthing like that and so you'd have to handle it out-of-band by encrypting the payload | 12:34 |
tbr | I'd want to have public keys for the end points, so that the messages can be encrypted securely | 12:36 |
r0kk3rz | yeah i guess being dbus call agnostic wouldnt be super hard to do either really | 12:40 |
r0kk3rz | the scope is creeping a bit, but i think i have a reasonable direction to get something started and functional | 12:44 |
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taaem | r0kk3rz: out of curiosity what are you trying todo with MQTT? | 14:35 |
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r0kk3rz | taaem: theres been an idea (mostly tbrs) of having a push notifications service that uses MQTT | 14:36 |
r0kk3rz | more recently there has been some discussion on the sailfish devel mailing list about it | 14:37 |
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taaem | r0kk3rz: nice idea, will check mailing list | 14:37 |
r0kk3rz | taaem: people have been using a proof-of-concept for irssi notifications for some time now | 14:38 |
tbr | it was very good to validate the concept and it works really well for most of us | 14:39 |
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taaem | r0kk3rz: tbr wouldn't the target be a open-source push receiver application installed by default on sailfish (or through dependencies) and that gets all notifications for one device and forwards them through dbus to the respective services/apps? | 14:45 |
r0kk3rz | taaem: currently all sailfish notifications are dbus calls, so the service just needs to translate mqtt packets into dbus calls | 14:46 |
r0kk3rz | but yes, thats the general idea | 14:47 |
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tbr | yes, there is a 1+ years old architecture diagram somewhereâ„¢ in my twitter feed | 14:48 |
tbr | ah, search engines remember: https://twitter.com/tbr23/status/496372581419982848 | 14:49 |
taaem | tbr: so either the the mqtt client directly post a notification in the name of a service or it could forward the message to the service and then it could to some processing and then notify the user | 14:52 |
tbr | yes, those are two possible cases | 14:53 |
taaem | essentially this would improve battery and the need for devs to background services to their apps | 14:53 |
taaem | its like google cloud messaging and i think apple has a similar service | 14:53 |
tbr | correct | 14:53 |
tbr | it is not reinventing the wheel, but should base on existing concepts | 14:54 |
w00t | https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-webpush-protocol-02 may be worth a read | 14:55 |
taaem | tbr: and opensource would also be nice | 14:55 |
tbr | taaem: all my efforts are in various repositories in my github account: github.com/dm8tbr/ | 14:56 |
tbr | as you would know, if you'd read the mailing list thread | 14:56 |
r0kk3rz | taaem: theres no reason why you couldnt run the same service for gnome desktop notifications, or anything using the freedesktop standard | 14:57 |
taaem | tbr: just read it | 14:57 |
tbr | yes, people have used multiple clients, including desktop notifications (sailfish is a slight variation of that) and windows notifications | 14:58 |
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r0kk3rz | hmm, i guess i should also factor in asteroid into this | 14:59 |
faenil | :) | 15:09 |
tbr | w00t: yeah, need to look at that. Also I want to try mqtt over websockets, as mosquitto supports that now. | 15:10 |
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r0kk3rz | ok, as a rudimentary service agnostic notifications script that works reasonably | 16:33 |
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r0kk3rz | w00t: is there anything brewing in Qt land wrt push notifications? | 17:43 |
tbr | I think they even had something, but it was part of their subscription package | 17:56 |
mal- | how accurate is this https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier ? I was thinking about doing some contribution but need to think what to do | 17:59 |
tbr | https://blog.qt.io/blog/2014/04/03/qt-cloud-services-introduces-real-time-communication/ | 18:00 |
r0kk3rz | mal-: best speak to faenil, its probably accurate enough but i think there was some reinvigoration to get it finished | 18:01 |
tbr | also the downside of the Qt thing is that it's per application, not per platform AFAIU | 18:05 |
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r0kk3rz | tbr: yeah it a bit of a shame they didnt open it up as something you can run yourself | 18:07 |
tbr | well, for them it's a vehicle to sell their cloud offering | 18:08 |
r0kk3rz | you can still sell a cloud offering whilst allowing people to run their own version of the same thing | 18:09 |
r0kk3rz | i thought the whole point of cloud things was 'have money so its not my problem' | 18:10 |
tbr | who knows what damagement thought | 18:10 |
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tbr | maybe 'oh, we'll keep this shiny IPR, so that we can have it as an asset in our books' | 18:11 |
tbr | I'm still not sure if the canonical push message service is fully open source. they were awfully secretive or at least intransparent about it | 18:11 |
r0kk3rz | ive had a look at the developer docs for it, but im still not sure | 18:12 |
w00t | https://github.com/qtcloudservices/mws | 18:13 |
w00t | that stuff is all shutting down, so shrug | 18:13 |
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faenil | mal-: awesome :) so, the current plan is to rework Glacier Components to be qtquickcontrols2-based | 18:23 |
faenil | mal-: I haven't started yet because I wanted to wait for the OE recipes by kido and locusf to get a working nemo image with qt5.6 before starting, but I think it would make sense to even start by developing them on Desktop right now | 18:25 |
mal- | ok | 18:26 |
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faenil | vgrade: any luck with the build? | 21:18 |
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r0kk3rz | tbr: FYI https://github.com/r0kk3rz/mqtt-notify | 21:56 |
r0kk3rz | incase you wanted to get notifications from something other than irssi | 21:57 |
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