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| lbt | PSA : Mer git is going down soonish (5mins) for update | 18:33 |
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| locusf | just when I was doing the OE build :p | 19:02 |
| bencoh | OE build? | 19:16 |
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| locusf | openembedded | 19:20 |
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| bencoh | locusf: right, but what are you doing with mer stuff in OE? migrating? | 19:22 |
| locusf | bencoh: fun and profit :p | 19:30 |
| locusf | mostly because of new Qt | 19:30 |
| bencoh | locusf: do you have a meta layer available somewhere? | 19:30 |
| bencoh | because that sounds quite interesting | 19:30 |
| locusf | bencoh: I will in a moment | 19:31 |
| locusf | hmm | 19:32 |
| locusf | not tonight | 19:32 |
| locusf | my back is killing me | 19:32 |
| locusf | + with mer git down its a tad difficult | 19:32 |
| bencoh | indeed | 19:32 |
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| TemeV | What would be main advantages on moving to OE? | 19:39 |
| locusf | don't know yet : | 19:40 |
| locusf | p | 19:40 |
| TemeV | :) | 19:40 |
| M4rtinK | my guess would be that an advantage would be someone (other than Jolla) actually using it | 19:44 |
| M4rtinK | #unlike Mer | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | well, mer is actually used elsewhere | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:44 |
| M4rtinK | at least as far as I can tell | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | it's just not being very contributed back to | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | (i know of at least 2 commercial users) | 19:44 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC there was some settopbox project | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | well that one is dead | 19:45 |
| M4rtinK | also the KDE tablet and modular board project by Aaron "I talk a lot" Saigo (sorry :P) | 19:45 |
| M4rtinK | in that case it would certainly be a good idea to market that a bit | 19:46 |
| M4rtinK | eq. at least a section about "Mer users" | 19:46 |
| M4rtinK | etc. | 19:46 |
| M4rtinK | well, at least as long as they agree | 19:46 |
| M4rtinK | as otherwise Mer seems to be pretty much a Jolla only affair to external observers | 19:47 |
| M4rtinK | which might make potential users choose a different (meta) distro | 19:48 |
| bencoh | honestly contributing to mer wit the obs stuff is exactly hangy | 19:50 |
| bencoh | isnt* | 19:50 |
| bencoh | handy* damnit | 19:50 |
| bencoh | (it least that's my point of view) | 19:50 |
| M4rtinK | it certainly is not very straightforward or well documented | 19:51 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, I think there is a GitLab instance now ? | 19:51 |
| M4rtinK | OBS just builds it all | 19:51 |
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| M4rtinK | also I'm thinking more and more about the idea of just running a normal distro | 19:56 |
| M4rtinK | or a distro remix | 19:56 |
| M4rtinK | on mobile devices | 19:56 |
| M4rtinK | why create and maintain a special distro if you can just use an existing one and get package updates & (security!) fixes for free | 19:57 |
| M4rtinK | at least in theory that could help actually "get stuff done" rather than just getting bogged down in redoing all the maintenance drudgery a distro has to do, but "on a mobile device!" | 19:58 |
| M4rtinK | so, just an idea :) | 19:58 |
| bencoh | M4rtinK: because you sometimes just cant (thus far) | 19:59 |
| TemeV | I guess being stuck on a kernel from the stone age is one problem? | 19:59 |
| bencoh | probably not the worse one | 20:00 |
| M4rtinK | kernel & blobs is the biggest issue IMHO | 20:00 |
| bencoh | userland blobs yes; kernel isn't (distro-wise) | 20:01 |
| bencoh | building a kernel package isn't that hard once you have a working compiler :) | 20:01 |
| M4rtinK | well, there might be features the distro needs missing from the outdated kernel | 20:01 |
| M4rtinK | probably could be patched around though | 20:01 |
| M4rtinK | it really depends on how much you want to remix | 20:02 |
| M4rtinK | vs running a stock distro | 20:02 |
| bencoh | well, if you have linux < 2.6.32 and need a recent libc, yeah; you'll have to patch around a bit | 20:02 |
| M4rtinK | of course in an ideal case there could be official support and deliverables | 20:03 |
| bencoh | or if your alsa api is too old, that kind of stuff | 20:03 |
| M4rtinK | and there are for example official Fedora images for various arm boards | 20:03 |
| M4rtinK | but that requires the board to be supported in mainline | 20:04 |
| M4rtinK | and it must be able to boot without blobs | 20:04 |
| bencoh | I dont know many modern arm devices with full mainline support ;) | 20:04 |
| M4rtinK | unfortunately no mobile device so far really satisfies this | 20:04 |
| bencoh | (euphemism inside) | 20:04 |
| M4rtinK | well, it needs to at least boot | 20:04 |
| M4rtinK | well, these are officially supported as of F23: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM#Fedora_23 | 20:06 |
| M4rtinK | also some ultra hacky guide for other not officially supported devices: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM/F22/Installation | 20:07 |
| faenil | M4rtinK: something as easy as adding Fedora's URL as repo in the kickstarter? :D | 20:09 |
| faenil | so that all newer packages are taken from there, there rest from Mer :D | 20:09 |
| faenil | implosion almost guaranteed | 20:10 |
| faenil | but it could kind of work! :D | 20:10 |
| bencoh | :D | 20:10 |
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| bencoh | hello deps hell | 20:10 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, a colleague wrote the Kickstart parser used in MIC (it uses an a really old bundled version) :) | 20:11 |
| TemeV | I just stole some .spec files from fedora to build stuff for Sailfish, didn't cross my mind I could just steal whole packages :) | 20:11 |
| M4rtinK | and we kinda maintain the Kickstart format and it default parser under the Fedora/RHEL installer umbrella :) | 20:11 |
| M4rtinK | TemeV: I have generally had a good experience with grabbing stuff directly from the Fedora build system with fedpkg and putting in OBS | 20:13 |
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| M4rtinK | a lot of stuff worked out of the box or with minor changes | 20:13 |
| locusf | hmm | 20:13 |
| M4rtinK | and generally better than when I tried grabbing stuff from OpenSUSE | 20:14 |
| locusf | intereating | 20:14 |
| M4rtinK | I might not be objective | 20:14 |
| TemeV | M4rtinK: ok, I'll have to try that next time I'm doing something like that | 20:14 |
| M4rtinK | but the packaging quality in OpenSUSE generally felt inferior to Fedora packaging | 20:14 |
| M4rtinK | as for using binary packages directly | 20:15 |
| M4rtinK | there will probably be issues with dependencies in many cases | 20:15 |
| M4rtinK | especially due to the generally older (sometimes due to GPLv2) packages in Mer/Sailfish | 20:15 |
| M4rtinK | but there indeed are amv7hf packages for Fedora | 20:16 |
| M4rtinK | that should be at least ABI compatabile with the platform | 20:16 |
| TemeV | Propably I'll still play it safe and build in OBS | 20:17 |
| M4rtinK | I think it would be relatively easy to automate it | 20:19 |
| M4rtinK | eq. make a script that takes a Fedora source package name and target OBS project name | 20:20 |
| M4rtinK | and does the rest automatically | 20:20 |
| TemeV | Yeah, shouldn't be too hard | 20:22 |
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