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locusf | moaning | 03:09 |
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Oksana | Moin | 03:31 |
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IgorSK | Hello, everyone. | 07:42 |
IgorSK | Is this guide https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Wayland_Nemo_VM_Image still valid? | 07:43 |
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faenil | morning | 09:28 |
faenil | how is it going peopleeeee | 09:28 |
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IgorSK | Trying to build Wayland VM image according to https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Wayland_Nemo_VM_Image | 10:06 |
IgorSK | Made it to: Error <creator>: Unable to find pattern: Nemo Complete Wayland | 10:06 |
IgorSK | Any ideas how to proceed? | 10:06 |
faenil | IgorSK, yeah patterns are not working anymore | 10:07 |
faenil | sorry about that | 10:07 |
faenil | you need a new ks file | 10:07 |
faenil | without pattern | 10:07 |
faenil | locusf, do you have a VM ks for IgorSK ? | 10:07 |
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locusf | faenil: yeah, I'll get one for him once I get back home | 10:33 |
locusf | it just dosn't work | 10:33 |
IgorSK | locusf: thanks | 10:39 |
locusf | IgorSK: you can't do much wth the image though | 10:41 |
IgorSK | No worries. Just getting to know my ways around nemo and mer, so I guess it will do for starters. | 10:45 |
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locusf | IgorSK: http://pastie.org/9867989 | 11:25 |
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qwazix | anybody present with commit rights to nemo github? I was thinking we could point people to nemomobile.github.io at the end of the presentation at FOSDEM but it would be nice if we had at least the WIP page there. (https://github.com/nemomobile/nemomobile.github.com/pull/1) | 11:46 |
IgorSK | locusf: Got that. Now complains: "repo problem: nothing provides kernel-adaptation-pc ... needed by virtualbox-guest-modules" | 11:53 |
locusf | IgorSK: oh yeah one of the repositories broke the last time, sorry | 11:54 |
IgorSK | ... and if I remove virtualbox* thing from KS-file? Will the image be ok to run? | 11:55 |
locusf | IgorSK: well you could try it | 11:55 |
locusf | but you lose things like mouse etc | 11:56 |
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locusf | qwazix: at least I can't do anything about it, let me check history on whos involved | 11:56 |
locusf | w00t: ping | 11:57 |
IgorSK | locusf: Trying right now to see what's going to happen. | 11:57 |
locusf | IgorSK: okay good luck | 11:57 |
w00t | locusf: pong | 11:57 |
qwazix | locusf, thanks. Ping me if you find something. | 11:57 |
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locusf | w00t: could you please merge that PR qwazix is talking about? | 11:57 |
locusf | https://github.com/nemomobile/nemomobile.github.com/pull/1 | 11:58 |
locusf | w00t: thank you! | 11:58 |
qwazix | locusf, w00t many thanks | 11:58 |
w00t | no problem :) | 11:59 |
locusf | w00t: could qwazix have commit rights to that repo or better yet, add entire nemomobile-ux team there? | 12:00 |
w00t | i can look at that a bit later, in the middle of something atm | 12:00 |
qwazix | something is not right | 12:00 |
locusf | w00t: okay no problem :) | 12:01 |
locusf | qwazix: whats up? | 12:02 |
qwazix | sorry I messed up the PR, will make a new one in a few minutes | 12:03 |
qwazix | w00t, sorry to bother again, could you please one more? https://github.com/nemomobile/nemomobile.github.com/pull/2 | 12:06 |
qwazix | thanks | 12:07 |
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qwazix | locusf, what phone are you going to show nemo on? | 12:20 |
locusf | qwazix: on a Jolla | 12:21 |
locusf | I got device locking to work on it so its a bit safer to show | 12:21 |
qwazix | perfect | 12:22 |
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locusf | qwazix: I was originally planning to bring maguro but I had time to reinstall Nemo on my Jolla so I chose that now | 12:34 |
locusf | qwazix: maguro would be an example of a non-Jolla hybris build but thats only interesting to hw adapters | 12:35 |
qwazix | yeah, and I think that nemo is better adapted to the smaller jolla resolution | 12:37 |
locusf | it is really | 12:37 |
locusf | 720p is a tad too large | 12:37 |
dr_gogeta86 | lucky yours | 12:38 |
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locusf | http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2015/01/27/qt-weekly-24-high-dpi-qtwayland/ <- it seems that we probably won't have to worry about the scaling of UI in the near future | 12:45 |
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dr_gogeta86 | locusf, i'm listening that period many many times | 12:49 |
dr_gogeta86 | and up today we aren't resolution independant yes | 12:49 |
dr_gogeta86 | *yet | 12:49 |
faenil | dr_gogeta86, we have 2 devs, and you want to also be res independant? :D | 12:50 |
dr_gogeta86 | generally speaking | 12:50 |
locusf | don't we have 3? | 12:51 |
locusf | you, me and sk_work | 12:51 |
faenil | dr_gogeta86, ah ok | 12:52 |
faenil | locusf, yeah just saying :) | 12:53 |
locusf | ok :) | 12:53 |
dr_gogeta86 | OT: copying iOS/Osx flatness make me bored and dreaming about ANSI menus under MS-Dos | 12:53 |
dr_gogeta86 | http://bbs.ninja/pack/2003/asshol-0/u3-hh.ans | 12:54 |
locusf | lol that looks awesome | 12:58 |
faenil | lol | 12:59 |
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dr_gogeta86 | locusf, faenil nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd_28_01_2015.tar.bz2 | 13:05 |
dr_gogeta86 | fresh | 13:05 |
dr_gogeta86 | from mic create | 13:05 |
faenil | :) | 13:05 |
dr_gogeta86 | faenil, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeHXKUGaLOQ | 13:09 |
dr_gogeta86 | while flashing | 13:10 |
faenil | haha | 13:10 |
dr_gogeta86 | eng subtitle soon | 13:10 |
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Stskeeps | locusf: weather forecast is starting to look a bit better | 13:35 |
locusf | Stskeeps: okay, its alright as it can't possibly be as bad as it is here in Finland :) | 13:35 |
dr_gogeta86 | faenil, booted fine | 13:37 |
faenil | dr_gogeta86, good | 13:37 |
dr_gogeta86 | i can see missed call | 13:38 |
dr_gogeta86 | but not the ringing part | 13:38 |
filippz | dr_gogeta86: can you use ngf-client and issue play sms? | 13:39 |
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dr_gogeta86 | apipa on sdk mode | 13:42 |
dr_gogeta86 | :-( | 13:42 |
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filippz | sound is working here, which ks did you use for image building? | 13:43 |
dr_gogeta86 | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/filippz/NemoWaylandKickstart/master/nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd.ks | 13:43 |
dr_gogeta86 | but i think is mine problem | 13:43 |
dr_gogeta86 | time to setup usb0 | 13:43 |
filippz | hm, that should work, or at least it does for me | 13:44 |
dr_gogeta86 | filippz, plays | 13:45 |
dr_gogeta86 | low volume | 13:45 |
filippz | \o/ | 13:45 |
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dr_gogeta86 | is just a routing problem | 13:46 |
dr_gogeta86 | filippz bt4 works also | 13:47 |
dr_gogeta86 | tested with weloop | 13:47 |
filippz | cool, didn't touch this myself, but great news :) | 13:48 |
dr_gogeta86 | filippz, but the get back x11 performance ... is improbable | 13:49 |
filippz | I was looking at wayland-wsegl, PVR2DCreateFlipChain is returning "generic" error, and is not being used - I'm playing with that on & off for the whole day... | 13:51 |
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locusf | damn we really need glesplash on Jolla and other hybris implementations :) | 14:05 |
filippz | ^yup, it looks awesome IMHO | 14:07 |
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dr_gogeta86 | locusf, i can't develop an hybris for dory | 14:08 |
dr_gogeta86 | can we do that step my step | 14:08 |
dr_gogeta86 | once droid-init-hal | 14:08 |
dr_gogeta86 | i can use opengl | 14:08 |
dr_gogeta86 | but sometimes reboot the machine | 14:09 |
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locusf | dr_gogeta86: okay | 14:14 |
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dr_gogeta86 | filippz, | 15:52 |
filippz | dr_gogeta86: ? | 15:53 |
dr_gogeta86 | https://github.com/filippz/upower/commit/b644f8fa8c8c5f8afa4a39534aeb19118629da7c | 15:53 |
dr_gogeta86 | this add battery support ? | 15:53 |
filippz | it's just a temp solution, since mce was using upower backend | 15:53 |
filippz | mce now uses statefs, but QBatteryInfo still uses upower | 15:54 |
dr_gogeta86 | so you need twice ? | 15:54 |
dr_gogeta86 | statefs + mce | 15:54 |
filippz | once QBatteryInfo goes statefs way, we'll stop using upower(-bme) | 15:54 |
SK_work | locusf: ping | 15:55 |
SK_work | do you know if in Qt 5.2 we have hidpi support ? | 15:55 |
SK_work | cf twitter discussion | 15:55 |
filippz | dr_gogeta86: upower will go away in less than a month (IIRC) | 15:55 |
locusf | SK_work: No I don't sorry | 15:55 |
SK_work | locusf: :( | 15:55 |
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SK_work | I really don't want to do "u" without having something from the system | 15:56 |
SK_work | "u" is at best, a hack | 15:56 |
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locusf | yeah | 15:59 |
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SK_work | maybe we should start building "Qt nightlies" in Nemo ? | 16:00 |
SK_work | or some higher version of Qt, and check how it works under nemo | 16:00 |
locusf | so break off from mer qt? | 16:01 |
locusf | we could do that | 16:02 |
SK_work | locusf: maybe Stskeeps would be happy if we experiment new Qt | 16:03 |
SK_work | at least we catch bug for him earlier :P | 16:03 |
faenil | first we have to clear all the mess that there is around us... | 16:03 |
faenil | *then* we can start experimenting | 16:03 |
SK_work | faenil: :D | 16:03 |
SK_work | ok | 16:03 |
faenil | once we have finished UI components, core apps... | 16:03 |
SK_work | what mess | 16:03 |
faenil | let's say in 2 years? :D | 16:03 |
faenil | or am I being too positive :P | 16:03 |
SK_work | well, what about ... using new Qt to help doing ui components | 16:04 |
SK_work | faenil: too positive, it is a neverending work : | 16:04 |
SK_work | :P | 16:04 |
faenil | :) | 16:04 |
dr_gogeta86 | can I help with anything ? | 16:04 |
faenil | we need the situation to settle a little...updating packages manually one by one is crazy | 16:04 |
dr_gogeta86 | is an afternoon play with nemo | 16:04 |
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faenil | dr_gogeta86, I don't know :) if you like playing with QML I'm sure there are UI components which need work | 16:05 |
dr_gogeta86 | but is quiet ... i don't wanna say futile | 16:05 |
dr_gogeta86 | but settings part need some cleanup | 16:05 |
locusf | yeah we need the nemo-mer merge to happen first and then the migration to gitlab and the webhooks on | 16:05 |
faenil | dr_gogeta86, ? | 16:05 |
faenil | dr_gogeta86, settings part has to be rewritten from scratch... | 16:06 |
SK_work | faenil: what about taking advantage of Jolla's settings module ? | 16:07 |
SK_work | they have done some pretty nice stuff with JSON enabled modules etc. | 16:07 |
faenil | sure | 16:07 |
faenil | we can look into that | 16:07 |
* SK_work thinks about "reverse engineering" how they did it | 16:07 | |
faenil | there's a lot of stuff that needs work in nemo, one just has to do something, if he's willing to :) | 16:07 |
SK_work | indeed | 16:07 |
faenil | port apps to Glacier components | 16:07 |
faenil | complete UI components | 16:08 |
faenil | those are the top priorities imho | 16:08 |
faenil | except the merge of course, which we have no power on at the moment | 16:08 |
dr_gogeta86 | faenil, is an important milstone | 16:08 |
SK_work | faenil is an important milestone :P | 16:08 |
faenil | dr_gogeta86, so, if you want to help, just pick one :D | 16:08 |
dr_gogeta86 | *mile | 16:08 |
faenil | SK_work, haha lol | 16:08 |
SK_work | sorry, just read that | 16:08 |
faenil | xD | 16:08 |
faenil | dr_gogeta86, so, just pick something :D | 16:10 |
faenil | if you're more into kernel and you have an n950, we still have some pieces missing there | 16:10 |
faenil | like wifi and audio | 16:10 |
dr_gogeta86 | sorry just n9 | 16:11 |
dr_gogeta86 | and wifi and sound works | 16:11 |
dr_gogeta86 | sound at low level | 16:11 |
faenil | ok | 16:11 |
faenil | we also have terribly outdated wiki pages | 16:11 |
faenil | guys, there's a lot of stuff to do :D | 16:12 |
locusf | yup | 16:12 |
locusf | sorry for not being active in the wiki, I hate literary work, coding is more fun :) | 16:12 |
faenil | locusf, recruit a few more thesists :D | 16:12 |
faenil | locusf, who doesn't :D | 16:12 |
SK_work | I do wonder if we can do something better than this wiki | 16:12 |
* SK_work thinks of the Mer bot | 16:13 | |
SK_work | tasks in a bz | 16:13 |
SK_work | bot changing bug state | 16:13 |
faenil | SK_work, not talking about tasks, wiki | 16:13 |
faenil | as in guides to dev, that kind of stuff | 16:13 |
dr_gogeta86 | first how to build from scratch for n9 | 16:13 |
faenil | for instance.. | 16:13 |
faenil | ^ | 16:13 |
SK_work | faenil: ah | 16:16 |
SK_work | I see | 16:16 |
SK_work | because tasks is also somewere we lack visibility | 16:16 |
SK_work | (not to say all mer / nemo lacks visibility) | 16:16 |
dr_gogeta86 | who is mer | 16:16 |
dr_gogeta86 | who is nemo | 16:16 |
dr_gogeta86 | ? | 16:16 |
dr_gogeta86 | to not say some blasphemy | 16:17 |
faenil | SK_work, indeed | 16:18 |
dr_gogeta86 | I'm in | 16:18 |
faenil | mm? | 16:18 |
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dr_gogeta86 | if I find something into wiki i'll update it | 16:18 |
locusf | thanks dr_gogeta86 :) | 16:19 |
faenil | :) | 16:19 |
faenil | just pick a random page and you're done :D | 16:19 |
SK_work | hope that what jolla people done will improve situation | 16:20 |
SK_work | as faenil said: coming back to open developement | 16:20 |
dr_gogeta86 | locusf, faenil and SK_work drink some gueze for me | 16:22 |
faenil | dr_gogeta86, what's that? will do :D | 16:22 |
SK_work | dr_gogeta86: you won't be there ? :( | 16:22 |
faenil | ah, so you're not coming :/ | 16:22 |
dr_gogeta86 | acid kind of beer | 16:22 |
dr_gogeta86 | simply i can't | 16:22 |
faenil | mm :( | 16:23 |
dr_gogeta86 | I'm a bit in overheating | 16:23 |
dr_gogeta86 | thermald not works very well :-D | 16:23 |
faenil | lol | 16:23 |
locusf | we should really have a project manager | 16:30 |
dr_gogeta86 | tbr, how can I upload some file to formeego ? | 16:31 |
SK_work | locusf: isn't faenil the manager ? :D | 16:34 |
faenil | me? no way haha | 16:34 |
locusf | tbr is probably flying to brussels now | 16:34 |
locusf | SK_work: lol :) | 16:34 |
faenil | locusf, let's not start with managers :P | 16:34 |
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locusf | faenil: well ok not a manager but a shotcaller | 16:36 |
faenil | do we need one? | 16:37 |
locusf | hmm we (at least me) don't do organization really well, we should prioritize things and make sure the things get done | 16:38 |
locusf | this would mean that we get serious, meaning it turns to a job and then its no longer fun :/ | 16:38 |
faenil | exactly :P | 16:39 |
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locusf | so lets continue self-organizing, even though its inefficient | 16:39 |
locusf | but its fun that way, at least for me :) | 16:40 |
faenil | :D | 16:40 |
faenil | we just need to actually work on it...you're the only one doing something :D | 16:41 |
faenil | and filippz, of course | 16:41 |
locusf | yeah and hedayat :) | 16:41 |
faenil | and hedayat | 16:41 |
faenil | yes | 16:41 |
faenil | :) | 16:41 |
locusf | if we could get fsf approval for hybris distribution we could get a lot more attention | 16:43 |
locusf | I've been talking about in private as an idea from marxistvegan | 16:43 |
locusf | we _are_ free software, but only when hybris builds are considered | 16:44 |
locusf | n9/50 is full of proprietary stuff | 16:44 |
locusf | so we would have to abandon our "roots" if we want that approval | 16:44 |
faenil | locusf, mm I see | 16:46 |
tbr | locusf: that's tomorrow. right now at a workshop | 16:46 |
faenil | I have no problem with that, honestly | 16:46 |
tbr | dr_gogeta86 / locusf - so what's up? | 16:48 |
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dr_gogeta86 | I wanna upload an updated n950 image | 16:51 |
faenil | dr_gogeta86, feel free | 16:51 |
dr_gogeta86 | http://www.nrg-lab.com/nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd_28_01_2015.tar.bz2 | 16:51 |
faenil | not sure what's the current solution we're using for nemo images | 16:52 |
locusf | we use devaamos hosting space | 16:52 |
dr_gogeta86 | on wiki | 16:52 |
dr_gogeta86 | http://images.formeego.org/n950/nemo/nemo-n950-rnd-20140224.tar.bz2 | 16:52 |
dr_gogeta86 | from this wiki page | 16:52 |
dr_gogeta86 | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#N9.2FN950 | 16:52 |
faenil | ah ok | 16:52 |
faenil | then maybe we should keep using that ? :) | 16:52 |
locusf | woah its that old in the wiki | 16:52 |
dr_gogeta86 | made out from this kickstart | 16:53 |
dr_gogeta86 | https://github.com/filippz/NemoWaylandKickstart/blob/master/nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd.ks | 16:53 |
dr_gogeta86 | see later | 16:53 |
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tbr | if you want something uploaded ping me tomorrow | 17:04 |
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locusf | well I can download it and then upload it :) | 17:08 |
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locusf | just remembered to start uploading .. | 17:43 |
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filippz | vakkov: ping - can I ask you a couple of questions about this: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23sailfishos-porters/%23sailfishos-porters.2014-10-12.log.html#t2014-10-12T18:47:40 ? | 18:02 |
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vakkov | filippz: i was going to continue with this in the comming days ... after reversing n900's bootlaoder jsut to find out that what i need is signed ... | 18:03 |
vakkov | you need to add something to your kernel | 18:03 |
vakkov | something with the vsync if i remember correctly | 18:03 |
vakkov | so that it supports the hwc :D | 18:04 |
vakkov | and also implement the drivers from the sgx ddk | 18:04 |
vakkov | that lg is also using a 3630 soc | 18:04 |
vakkov | has some differences though ;) | 18:05 |
filippz | can we use existing powervr driver? | 18:06 |
vakkov | what do you mean by existing? | 18:06 |
vakkov | the one in the 3.5 kernel? | 18:07 |
filippz | this one: https://build.merproject.org/package/show/nemo:devel:hw:ti:omap3:n9xx-common/ti-omap3-sgx | 18:07 |
vakkov | no, use the android ones | 18:07 |
vakkov | from the ddk | 18:07 |
filippz | problem is... I don't know anything about android :) | 18:08 |
vakkov | i'll try in the comming days | 18:08 |
vakkov | too much stuff lately ;D | 18:08 |
vakkov | what you need to know - all them sgx drivers are crappy ;D | 18:08 |
vakkov | android included | 18:08 |
filippz | I've figured that out, on more than one occasion | 18:09 |
filippz | (wayland_wsegl, glesplash...) | 18:09 |
vakkov | wsegl was written by the community | 18:10 |
vakkov | before hybris | 18:10 |
vakkov | so it misses some stuff | 18:10 |
locusf | vakkov: coming to fosdem? | 18:10 |
filippz | vakkov: can you ping me, so we can work side by side when you start doing it for n900? | 18:10 |
vakkov | no :( have to study @ uni | 18:10 |
locusf | okay :/ | 18:10 |
vakkov | filippz: i bought an n9 :) | 18:11 |
vakkov | have them both now ;D | 18:11 |
vakkov | actually 2 n900s, an n9 and the maguro | 18:11 |
vakkov | all the TI crap on my desk | 18:11 |
vakkov | all three of them with some kind of sgx problems | 18:12 |
filippz | vakkov: so we can count on you in the near future! | 18:13 |
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filippz | If you have some more info what needs to be done in kernel for N9/N950 just ping me :) | 18:14 |
vakkov | filippz: check what the cm huys did in the lge kernel | 18:17 |
filippz | this: https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_device_lge_p970/blob/cm-10.1/hwc/hwc.c ? | 18:18 |
ryukafalz | I'm reviewing prolog for a computer science class, and I remember hearing that the audio policy was written in prolog. Is there any work on that that still needs to get done? | 18:20 |
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vakkov | ryukafalz: sledges can answer that. i am also interested | 18:55 |
locusf | jusa_ is the pulseaudio guy | 18:56 |
sledges | ^ | 18:58 |
locusf | it was ohm | 18:59 |
locusf | just read on mer wiki | 18:59 |
sledges | ryukafalz: bluetooth speakers needs proper audio routing on nexus4, as of today;) | 18:59 |
sledges | i wonder if that involves any prolog though.. | 18:59 |
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ryukafalz | sledges: Doesn't bluetooth need to work on Nexus 4 first? Or does that work now? :P | 19:11 |
sledges | ryukafalz: as of today;) | 19:11 |
ryukafalz | :D :D :D | 19:11 |
ryukafalz | That is the one big thing I've been missing on my phone | 19:11 |
ryukafalz | I suppose I'd need to build an image with HADK to actually get it though eh? ;) | 19:11 |
sledges | ryukafalz: nope, we had a release | 19:14 |
sledges | but if you want nemo, you'll need to speak to locusf | 19:15 |
ryukafalz | Sailfish is fine as it's what I've been using - I can install Glacier if I want :P | 19:15 |
locusf | we have no gui whatsoever for bluetooth :p | 19:15 |
ryukafalz | Aha, fair enough | 19:16 |
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locusf | in nemo that is | 19:16 |
locusf | sfos has and it doesn't depend on glacier homescreen | 19:16 |
ryukafalz | sledges: Was this a Sailfish release or a new community image? | 19:16 |
locusf | its embedded to settings | 19:16 |
sledges | well, good old obex and INSERT_ANOTHER_BT_COMMAND pairing ): | 19:16 |
sledges | ryukafalz: yes | 19:16 |
ryukafalz | eheheh | 19:16 |
ryukafalz | Hm, topic title for community port thread on XDA still says [11Dec], but I do see the info in the post - wonder if topic titles are editable there | 19:18 |
sledges | thanks, passed on | 19:20 |
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ryukafalz | sledges: Do you know what had to be done to get bluetooth working? I thought the blocker was lack of device support in Bluez 4, but mer-core:devel/bluez still seems to be 4.101 so I suppose that wasn't it. | 19:21 |
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sledges | jolla SoC is nearly 1:1 to nexus4 | 19:22 |
sledges | just a kernel flag was missing, and a hacky way to write to sysfs at a right time | 19:22 |
sledges | a guy from Canada did it | 19:22 |
sledges | really cool | 19:22 |
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ryukafalz | Huh, is there a commit somewhere that I could look at with the fix? I'm interested in learning more about how it works in general | 19:23 |
ryukafalz | wasn't able to find a bug report for it previously, so I wouldn't really be sure what to look for | 19:24 |
* ryukafalz is eagerly looking forward to using his Pebble again | 19:25 | |
sledges | lge-kernel-mako repo | 19:26 |
sledges | and droid-hal-device | 19:26 |
sledges | look into closed PRs made by zanac | 19:27 |
ryukafalz | thanks :) | 19:28 |
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