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| locusf | morning | 06:44 |
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| deztructor | spiiroin: basically we can establish suitable State set now because it was not used actively yet | 07:27 |
| deztructor | except states [charging, discharging, full, low] | 07:27 |
| spiiroin | deztructor: but it is currently emitting "unknown", right? | 07:27 |
| spiiroin | so for transitional period at least "unknown" == "" ? | 07:28 |
| deztructor | spiiroin: for upower provider I should check, it seems I did it now in the staging branch of the udev provider only, checking | 07:29 |
| spiiroin | cat /run/state/namespaces/Battery/State | 07:29 |
| spiiroin | unknown | 07:29 |
| deztructor | yes, I checked code - unknown | 07:30 |
| spiiroin | so "unknown", "", or both? | 07:30 |
| spiiroin | I kind of like having it spelled out, i.e. "unknown" vs. need to know what it means "" | 07:31 |
| deztructor | spiiroin: maybe, I don't have any strong opinion. It looks like currently it uses "unknown" so we can stick to it | 07:33 |
| spiiroin | ok | 07:33 |
| spiiroin | but still need to handle unexpected values, now mce just keeps the previous recognized state ... assuming "unkown" & emitting warning might be better | 07:33 |
| deztructor | spiiroin: also we should handle "empty" state somehow, it is not reflected now anywhere | 07:33 |
| deztructor | because "empty" is needed by QBatteryInfo, now it decides what is it itself | 07:34 |
| deztructor | and this is quite wrong | 07:34 |
| spiiroin | so. both "" and "unknown" -> UNKNOWN (without spamming journal), values not found from the look up table -> still UNKNOWN but emit something to journal | 07:35 |
| spiiroin | does that look sane? | 07:35 |
| deztructor | in provider I'll use environment var to get limits and also maybe dsme can use the same var (dunno how to keep the same env for all of 'em with systemd, need to check) | 07:35 |
| deztructor | spiiroin: it looks sane | 07:36 |
| spiiroin | deztructor: ok, I'll augment the pullreq | 07:36 |
| deztructor | spiiroin: so maybe we should also introduce also "empty"... | 07:37 |
| * deztructor be out for ~1h now | 07:37 | |
| spiiroin | deztructor: I thought "empty" is already in use. If it is bumped into, it is mapped to BATTERY_STATUS_EMPTY within mce. | 07:38 |
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| faenil | morning | 08:44 |
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| deztructor | spiiroin_: you are right, I need to clarify again: I took values to be similar to ones used by upower. Basically in the low battery end we should have low and empty states, isn't it? | 09:42 |
| deztructor | I mean both states | 09:42 |
| spiiroin_ | That would ok too. I kind of assumed that the reason for having a separate "low"property was used for signaling something like "charging but still low" | 09:45 |
| deztructor | spiiroin_: or discharging but still low? :) like if device reaches the state when it is recommended to charge it asap it is "low", when device should be shutdown, it is "empty" | 09:46 |
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| spiiroin_ | I was thinking more in terms of bme style "too low for bootup". at least n900 stopped mid boot even if charger was connected if battery was too low | 09:47 |
| deztructor | spiiroin_: currently dsme should make decisions based on the level. imo, it'd be good if it gets this limits from its source (statefs or whatever) and source has limits taken from the env var, so it can be tweaked | 09:48 |
| deztructor | spiiroin_: so, too low for bootup - "low" (and also when it reaches this state - recommended to connect to charger) and too low ("empty") to continue w/o charger | 09:49 |
| spiiroin_ | that is just the legacy; dsme uses just level for policy decisions -> low/empty special cases for discharging are probably useless. or maybe ui uses the low state to trigger those "charge now" notifications? | 09:51 |
| spiiroin_ | i.e. from my pov it does not hurt if low/empty shows up somehow -> I can map those to bme legacy states still used my mce; but even mce does not really use those for anything | 09:54 |
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| deztructor | spiiroin_: currently dsme uses levels but it can switch to use states, so understanding of events going to happen would be the same across the whole system | 09:58 |
| spiiroin_ | deztructor: sure. if we plan for something like that then empty/low should be possible even when charging, or at least if charging can't provide enough current to actually charge (100mA usb1.1 for example) | 10:01 |
| spiiroin_ | and possibly the low should be split into "generic low" & "too low for booting" | 10:02 |
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| qwazix | locusf, ping | 10:03 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi guys | 10:16 |
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| locusf | qwazix: pong | 10:25 |
| qwazix | hey | 10:25 |
| qwazix | how is it going? | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | moo qwazix | 10:26 |
| locusf | hi | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | qwazix: when are you in town? | 10:26 |
| qwazix | hey Stskeeps! | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | in fosdem | 10:26 |
| qwazix | I'm flying friday | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | ok, landing when? | 10:26 |
| qwazix | (IIRC, lemme check) | 10:26 |
| locusf | it going good, screen lock is implemented and dialer has basic contacts capability | 10:27 |
| qwazix | yeah, friday evening | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | oki | 10:27 |
| qwazix | 20:40, but I can't see here if it's local time | 10:27 |
| qwazix | locusf, does the widget gallery work? | 10:28 |
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| Stskeeps | see you at the bar then, perhap | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | s | 10:28 |
| qwazix | Stskeeps, bar? | 10:28 |
| locusf | qwazix: widget gallery? | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | qwazix: https://fosdem.org/2015/news/2015-01-23-beerevent/ | 10:29 |
| qwazix | locusf, the one that has all the controls | 10:30 |
| qwazix | don't remember the name right now, sec | 10:30 |
| locusf | qwazix: ah sure that works | 10:30 |
| qwazix | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B3rznDuIMAAFYn0.jpg:large | 10:31 |
| qwazix | next to terminal | 10:31 |
| qwazix | good | 10:31 |
| qwazix | the second part of the talk is about mobile UI that allows production instead of content consumption | 10:32 |
| qwazix | I will be showing a few UI's used in other platforms in the slides for apps like office etc. | 10:32 |
| faenil | hey qwazix o/ | 10:33 |
| qwazix | and it would be nice if you could spend a minute showcasing the *header* component when showing off nemo | 10:33 |
| qwazix | hey faenil | 10:33 |
| qwazix | heard you'll come to fosdem | 10:33 |
| faenil | header components reminds me of headaches xD | 10:33 |
| locusf | sure I can do it | 10:34 |
| qwazix | faenil, worth the headaches IMO | 10:34 |
| faenil | getting that to work decently was tricky :) | 10:34 |
| qwazix | locusf, perfect | 10:34 |
| faenil | qwazix, great, glad to hear that | 10:34 |
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| locusf | the header is integrated to the gallery, it doesn't have a separate gallery item like buttons and buttonrows do | 10:35 |
| locusf | but I guess its not a problem | 10:35 |
| qwazix | locusf, yeah but it's not a problem, no | 10:36 |
| qwazix | just make sure to open a page that has both portrait and landscape | 10:36 |
| * faenil should really get nemo running on my jolla, he cries looking at how slow the n950 is | 10:36 | |
| faenil | on his* | 10:37 |
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| locusf | faenil: full nemo or just homescreen + apps? | 10:38 |
| faenil | full | 10:38 |
| faenil | and we should reall fix n950 :/ if we have someone with the time/knowledge | 10:39 |
| locusf | right okay | 10:39 |
| faenil | qwazix, so are you joining us at the beer event? | 10:39 |
| qwazix | I'll try. My flight lands 20:40 and I know nothing about brussels | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | qwazix: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Delirium+Caf%C3%A9/@50.8484555,4.3542827,17z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x47c3c380bd49e851:0x359fdd52c21b1c44 | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | but no clue where your hotel is - don't bring laptop | 10:40 |
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| faenil | qwazix, I can come get you ;) as long as your hotel is in the city centre :) | 10:41 |
| qwazix | Stskeeps, thanks | 10:41 |
| qwazix | It is, lemme find it | 10:41 |
| faenil | bit worried about my hostel, they haven't replied to my email yet, after 2 days :P | 10:42 |
| dr_gogeta86 | faenil, I'm waitn' for approval for friday | 10:42 |
| faenil | dr_gogeta86, great | 10:42 |
| qwazix | faenil, Stskeeps https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Delirium+Caf%C3%A9,+Brussels,+Belgium/Zoom+Hotel,+Rue+De+La+Concorde+59-61,+1000+Brussels,+Belgium/@50.8406689,4.3493856,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x47c3c380bd49e851:0x359fdd52c21b1c44!2m2!1d4.353875!2d50.848469!1m5!1m1!1s0x47c3c4897b9bc5d9:0x4e7d2e8a05a300cf!2m2!1d4.35987!2d50.8324 | 10:44 |
| faenil | mmm | 10:45 |
| faenil | it's like 20min fast walk | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | or take the metro | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | or bus | 10:46 |
| faenil | yeah probably better | 10:46 |
| qwazix | yeah, that's no issue | 10:47 |
| qwazix | the issue is to arrive on time, get to the hotel unload, and still make it to the bar before you're all gone :P | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | that'll take a while | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:48 |
| faenil | :D | 10:48 |
| qwazix | usually what time does everybody go home? | 10:49 |
| faenil | dunno | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | past midnight probably | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | enough time to get sanely up in morning | 10:51 |
| qwazix | ah, good. I should be able to make it then | 10:52 |
| locusf | I'll be at kabouki on coss.fi dinner nearby | 10:53 |
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| qwazix | I need a presentation-proof way to show video on the laptop from a camera. I thought I would use a phone but it might be best to just go buy a webcam | 10:53 |
| faenil | I'm sure there are tons of apps to do that | 10:54 |
| qwazix | faenil, yeah but I fear they will depend on stable wifi | 10:54 |
| faenil | mm | 10:55 |
| qwazix | and it's rarely true in conferences | 10:55 |
| faenil | qwazix, https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=usbwebcam.application&hl=it | 10:55 |
| faenil | for instance | 10:55 |
| faenil | don't know what OS you're using atm thoug | 10:55 |
| faenil | h | 10:55 |
| qwazix | I got a spare android device with decent camera, no prob | 10:56 |
| qwazix | oops windows pc | 10:56 |
| qwazix | faenil, I see that I can do streaming over usb networking, which is probably good enough | 10:58 |
| faenil | :) | 10:59 |
| locusf | I'll probably see you guys on saturday at lbt's talk | 10:59 |
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| locusf | or are you seeing that talk qwazix ? | 11:00 |
| faenil | locusf, awww | 11:01 |
| qwazix | locusf, I haven't planned anything, so probably I'll be there yeah | 11:01 |
| locusf | the bar is probably so croded that I can't fit in :) | 11:02 |
| faenil | giucam, it has happened a few times already now, the android app is in portrait, but the gestures are landscape...known issue? | 11:02 |
| giucam | faenil: uhm.. not to me | 11:02 |
| faenil | giucam, ok, I got it a couple of time in the last 3 days, not sure how to reproduce it though | 11:02 |
| faenil | locusf, I'm sure we can find a solution! come on :) | 11:03 |
| giucam | faenil: but hang on, do you mean the system gestures or all touch input? | 11:03 |
| faenil | giucam, system gestures | 11:03 |
| faenil | I have the app in portrait but I have to swipe for the right to close it | 11:03 |
| giucam | faenil: ok, and does turning the phone fix it? | 11:04 |
| faenil | yes, turning to landscape and then back to portrait fixes it | 11:05 |
| qwazix | faenil, Stskeeps it's 8:40 not 20:40 so I'll definitely make it :) | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | oh | 11:11 |
| faenil | qwazix, haha :) | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | what airport? | 11:11 |
| qwazix | CRL | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:12 |
| faenil | qwazix, crap, I land at 11 something, we could have met there | 11:12 |
| qwazix | faenil, we can meet for coffee in the center | 11:12 |
| faenil | sure | 11:13 |
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| locusf | coffee would work too, my hotel checkin is at 14.00 so I've got plenty of time to spend at the centre :) | 11:17 |
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| locusf | I mean I arrive at 9:20 or something | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | ah, we can probably meet up early then | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | how do you get from airport to centre? | 11:19 |
| qwazix | no idea... | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | if brussels airport, non-charleoi | 11:19 |
| locusf | I was thinking about the train | 11:20 |
| locusf | hmm maybe taxi would work better :p | 11:22 |
| faenil | :) | 11:22 |
| faenil | I checkin at 15, so.. :) | 11:22 |
| qwazix | locusf, remember that printing press we were talking about? Did we find one? | 11:23 |
| locusf | qwazix: I remember that Nokius did find one but I gotta check out my twitter stream for it | 11:24 |
| tbr | locusf: < Crofton> rumours of snow at FOSDEM | 11:24 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: accuweather claims so too | 11:25 |
| locusf | shite | 11:25 |
| qwazix | locusf, I remember the same thing but I can't see it in my twitter history, maybe you have better luck | 11:25 |
| tbr | locusf: let's see what I see once I arrvie | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | but not necessarily friday | 11:25 |
| Stskeeps | locusf: we can probably meet up nearby gare de bruxelles central, a lot of stuff in reach from there | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | it's foggy season here in warsaw so when exactly i land is a bit unclear | 11:26 |
| locusf | aaagh | 11:26 |
| locusf | I can't find it, I even checked tweettunnel or something | 11:27 |
| locusf | yeah all gone | 11:29 |
| locusf | Stskeeps: sure I was planning on exiting the train there | 11:29 |
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| faenil | artemma, o/ | 11:39 |
| SK_work | so better take waking shoes for fosdem ? | 11:43 |
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| Stskeeps | the places get really slippery | 11:44 |
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| kimmoli | faenil: SK_work: https://together.jolla.com/question/39900/no-sound-through-speaker/?answer=62574#post-id-62574 | 13:07 |
| SK_work | kimmoli: SW issue :D | 13:08 |
| SK_work | something related to gpodder it seems | 13:08 |
| SK_work | will investigate | 13:08 |
| kimmoli | solderware yes | 13:08 |
| faenil | kimmoli, cool | 13:10 |
| faenil | so that speaker fits, at least we know | 13:11 |
| faenil | :) | 13:11 |
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| kimmoli | faenil: this was the reference i was looking for, but remembered it was on TMO | 13:12 |
| faenil | ok | 13:12 |
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| filippz | faenil: hey, did you manage to get WiFi working on N950 ? | 17:50 |
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| faenil | filippz, haven't looked into it yet | 17:55 |
| filippz | ah, ok I'm about to push kernel with CONFIG_WATCHDOG_NOWAYOUT unset (fixes reboot instead of shutdown), and was thinking of including n950 support - I guess it's still to early then | 17:56 |
| filippz | ^push it to obs, that is | 17:57 |
| faenil | filippz, why? as long as it's better than what was there.. | 17:59 |
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| filippz | I guess you are right about that :) | 18:00 |
| filippz | you'll make a PR against my repo, or I'll just pull it in? | 18:00 |
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| faenil | filippz, https://github.com/filippz/kernel-adaptation-n950-n9/pull/1 | 18:02 |
| filippz | I'll try to build it first and see if N9 boots with your changes, and merge this if it does | 18:03 |
| faenil | cool, thanks ;) | 18:04 |
| filippz | maybe we'll poke locusf to make an image after that :) | 18:04 |
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| faenil | :) | 18:08 |
| locusf | okay :) | 18:09 |
| locusf | I'll take a look if I get to create one this week, it looks quite busy | 18:10 |
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| faenil | I can do that if you can't | 18:10 |
| faenil | we'll sync tomorrow evening ;) | 18:11 |
| filippz | and if we could get sensorfw (Stskeeps) to be webhooked - that would be awesome since we have a couple of fixes there :) | 18:13 |
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| filippz | faenil: did I just see it webhooked by you? You are not on obs user list for that project/package - how's that working?! | 18:17 |
| faenil | filippz, I temporarily updated sensorfw in mer-core, though you have to ask lpotter to tag a new release, so that the changes file is updated as well | 18:17 |
| faenil | filippz, I have temporary god powers :D | 18:18 |
| filippz | faenil: nice, it will do just fine! | 18:18 |
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| faenil | build successful, I'm safe! | 18:22 |
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| filippz | faenil: well it boots, and dmesg seems to be as usual - so I'll give it lgtm, but to be honest that whole board-rm680.c looks anything but good :/ | 18:23 |
| faenil | filippz, indeed | 18:24 |
| faenil | filippz, is there anything we can do though? start splitting it? XD | 18:24 |
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| filippz | faenil: lets keep our mouths shut, and probably no one will notice :) | 18:24 |
| faenil | lol | 18:24 |
| faenil | well it's not us who decided to do one big file | 18:25 |
| filippz | also splitting would mean two separate packages, so it seems to be efficient solution, at least for now | 18:26 |
| faenil | yeah...though it's a mess | 18:26 |
| faenil | nah it wouldn't need two packages, just compile all | 18:27 |
| faenil | (which is what Nokia did with its kernel, I guess) | 18:28 |
| faenil | or did it have 2 kernels? I don't remember anymore :) | 18:28 |
| faenil | anyway, I've got to focus now :) bbl | 18:28 |
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