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| filippz | spiiroin: can you take a look at the log showing the reason for shutdown problem on n9: http://pastie.org/pastes/9846716/text ? | 07:18 |
| * spiiroin looks | 07:19 | |
| filippz | Seems that dsme is quicker to exit than mce, and mce (only after dsme exits) tries to call dsme in order to disable wd (resulting in results in timeout/reboot) | 07:19 |
| * filippz admires how spiiroin is quick to take a look :) | 07:19 | |
| filippz | What would be reccomended course of action to remedy this? | 07:19 |
| spiiroin | filippz: yes, known hiccup - does not cause anything serious, just annoying | 07:20 |
| spiiroin | there are two ways to do ipc with dsme; custom unix socket & dbus | 07:20 |
| filippz | It results in reboot on n9 - not exactly a hiccup :) | 07:20 |
| spiiroin | okkee, I'll take a closer look | 07:21 |
| spiiroin | hmm.. It should be still a hiccup, but ... | 07:21 |
| filippz | I can compile kernel with(out) "nowayout" (can't remember atm) and it works :) | 07:22 |
| spiiroin | N9 hw wdd at least did not really support nowayout | 07:22 |
| spiiroin | so it might be that shutdown after dsme exit takes > 14 secs -> wd reboot | 07:22 |
| spiiroin | ... or less if dsme fails to do the final wd kick on exit | 07:23 |
| filippz | ^ that's it than - I did use reccomended settings for kernel, but maybe that one should be "ignored" | 07:23 |
| filippz | at least for N9(50) | 07:23 |
| spiiroin | IIRC the wd is hw protected, bootloader might need to do something before kernel can disable it for good | 07:25 |
| spiiroin | i.e. the r&d flags in cal | 07:25 |
| spiiroin | getting dsme to exit later might be problematic under systemd (exits with dbus) | 07:27 |
| spiiroin | if everything else fails, might be that dsme needs to tolerate (once again) running without dbus for a while | 07:27 |
| spiiroin | ... or arrange something else to do the wd kicking during exit | 07:29 |
| filippz | seems that simply compiling without CONFIG_WATCHDOG_NOWAYOUT should be OK - no need loose a lot of time on that :) | 07:29 |
| spiiroin | but if kernel can't stop the wd (due to bootloader leaving it to some state) -> kernel / user space mods do not help | 07:30 |
| spiiroin | but I really do not remember the details, so testing wont hurt | 07:31 |
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| filippz | It was already tested (and worked) but I was under impression that's not the right solution (due to another bug nemo has on shutdown: not supporting "ACTDEAD") | 07:32 |
| spiiroin | hmm.. so jolla has act dead, but "normal" nemo does not? | 07:33 |
| filippz | when something is plugged in usb some systemd service restart (namely lipstick + glacier...) and I was under impression that systemd is to blame (well it's not :) | 07:34 |
| tbr | IIRC jolla decided only to implement it for sailfish | 07:34 |
| filippz | so we have two distinct shutdown problems, one related to n9 wd (wehn no charger is connected), and the actdead one (when charger is connected) | 07:36 |
| spiiroin | separate act dead charging & alarm uis are needed | 07:37 |
| spiiroin | that works completely differently from how it used to be in, say n900 | 07:38 |
| spiiroin | and even the jolla solution is bit of a hack that happens to work | 07:38 |
| filippz | I'll leave actdead thing aside for now - It was really annoying to use 8 sec power press to shutdown n9, only to reboot by itslef some time after that (since dsme uses rtc alarms) | 07:40 |
| * filippz has "deep discharged" his n9 countless times | 07:41 | |
| spiiroin | actually yes, unless n9 kernel supports/needs suspend, the rtc stuff could be used just for clock alarms | 07:42 |
| spiiroin | config file from something n9 specific? | 07:43 |
| filippz | I'll just try CONFIG_WATCHDOG_NOWAYOUT and see - rtc alarms are cleared on normal shutdown and that should be OK (8 sec power press is not normal shutdown :) | 07:45 |
| spiiroin | yes, but in this case the side effects could be avoided. so maybe not critical, but worth doing sometime later | 07:47 |
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| faenil | a new wild pokemon appears, it's Aard ! | 09:57 |
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| faenil | bencoh, it's a quiet pokemon, we can do it! | 10:03 |
| bencoh | we just need to aim carefully | 10:04 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: re the multiple sim or rather DSDS DualSimDualStandby question, ofono supports multiple modems. I know people™ who have tested this for mobile phones. | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 16:18 |
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| coderus | what is repository with latest mer stuff? | 18:30 |
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| faenil | coderus, should be https://build.merproject.org/project/show/mer-core:armv7hl:devel | 18:44 |
| faenil | still work in progress due to the nemo-mer merge I think | 18:45 |
| faenil | Stskeeps surely knows more, I haven't got updates about the merge | 18:45 |
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| Stskeeps | http://live.theverge.com/microsoft-windows-10-event-live-blog/ suddenly turned interesting.. | 18:50 |
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