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| faenil | hellooooo | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | hello faenil | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | now you have all the time in the world to code? | 14:55 |
| faenil | and play videogames :D | 14:55 |
| Morpog_PC__ | no videogames for faenil :D | 14:55 |
| faenil | (actually, I'm quite sure at least one VRAM module of my GPU died the day before my graduation....grr) | 14:56 |
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| faenil | Morpog_PC__: aw :( | 14:56 |
| iekku | ahoy faenil | 14:56 |
| faenil | iekku: sis! ahoy! | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: https://build.merproject.org/project/show/mer-core:i486:devel:gcc49 | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:56 |
| faenil | Stskeeps: ahahah great :) | 14:56 |
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| locusf | hey faenil :) | 14:59 |
| faenil | locusf: o/ | 15:00 |
| locusf | congrats again on graduation | 15:00 |
| faenil | thanks mate :) I'm so relieved.. | 15:00 |
| Morpog_PC__ | faenil, we got a small discussion today on 18utc abiut glacier dialer app btw | 15:00 |
| faenil | yeah I read the tweet about the meeting, but couldn't join | 15:01 |
| faenil | logs? | 15:01 |
| Morpog_PC__ | couldn't? it's in the future | 15:01 |
| faenil | oh! | 15:01 |
| Morpog_PC__ | today, lol | 15:01 |
| faenil | I thought it was yesterday! | 15:01 |
| locusf | today | 15:01 |
| faenil | lol | 15:01 |
| locusf | at least no-one joined yesterday | 15:01 |
| faenil | ok, my friends' gonna kill me, we're about to start playing :D | 15:01 |
| faenil | I see | 15:02 |
| Morpog_PC__ | well you are not forced to :D | 15:02 |
| faenil | haha sure ;) | 15:02 |
| iekku | faenil, you have other friends than we here? | 15:02 |
| hedayat | :)) congratulaions faenil; but I should leave now. :P | 15:02 |
| iekku | ;) | 15:02 |
| faenil | hedayat: thanks, have a nice day :) | 15:02 |
| faenil | iekku: hahaha, this is my family, they're my friends ;) (touché) | 15:02 |
| iekku | :D | 15:02 |
| faenil | Just back from a chinese-japanese buffer, I'm stuuuffed | 15:04 |
| phaeron | buffer overflow ? | 15:04 |
| SK_work | hehe | 15:04 |
| SK_work | buffet overflow I guess | 15:05 |
| faenil | haha | 15:06 |
| giucam | faenil: congrats! | 15:07 |
| Morpog_PC__ | haha :D got that by myself yesterday evening in a chinese buffet | 15:07 |
| Morpog_PC__ | I skipped breakfast today ;) | 15:07 |
| giucam | in the north we use to sing a little song to newly graduates, but i'm not sure you know it | 15:07 |
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| faenil | giucam: does it have something to do with "ass" ? :D | 15:10 |
| giucam | faenil: yep :P | 15:10 |
| faenil | giucam: ahahha yes yes, same here ;) | 15:10 |
| faenil | Morpog_PC__: hehe | 15:10 |
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| faenil | downloading F21... | 15:18 |
| faenil | looking forward to being back into linux world :D | 15:18 |
| tbr | faenil: how was the party? you had a big celebration party, right? also congrats! | 15:19 |
| netvandal | faenil: even in italy we have a nice song for newly graduates, but i think you know it :) | 15:19 |
| faenil | tbr: yeah, it was great ;) | 15:19 |
| netvandal | anyway congrats :) | 15:19 |
| faenil | netvandal: ehm...I'm italian :P | 15:19 |
| netvandal | faenil: i know :) | 15:19 |
| netvandal | faenil: quoting myself " but i think you know it :)" | 15:20 |
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| SK_work | faenil: didn't you always had a Linux install ? | 15:21 |
| faenil | SK_work: nope, I did a format when started working on my thesis ;) | 15:22 |
| SK_work | format to get rid of all these games :D | 15:22 |
| faenil | haha | 15:24 |
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| qwazix | Hello! | 18:05 |
| locusf | hey qwazix | 18:05 |
| qwazix | hi locusf | 18:06 |
| qwazix | So, everybody here? Shall we get started? | 18:07 |
| locusf | well if everybody is just you and me :D | 18:07 |
| locusf | Morpog_PC__: ping | 18:07 |
| qwazix | (Sorry for making it more of a formal meeting this time, but time is limited on my side) | 18:08 |
| locusf | ah ok :) | 18:08 |
| Morpog_PC__ | here, but we can wait for more people joining? | 18:08 |
| Morpog_PC__ | oh time | 18:08 |
| SK_work | I won't stay for long, so I will probably just read the logs | 18:08 |
| qwazix | still, it's good to get some things decided to avoid duplicate work | 18:08 |
| * Morpog_PC__ is unfortunately a bit busy, but tries to follow | 18:09 | |
| qwazix | hopefully starting end of this week we can return to normal, "just ping me" style | 18:09 |
| qwazix | Anyway, the dialer brings an interesting topic | 18:10 |
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| qwazix | that of reuse of screens as component (think android intents) | 18:10 |
| Morpog_PC__ | I like the first design you made, just needs some fintuning | 18:10 |
| qwazix | thx, we'll get to it in a minute or two | 18:11 |
| Morpog_PC__ | my first thought was using glacier keyboards buttons as dial buttons, but i like qwazix idea more | 18:12 |
| qwazix | So, including whole pages helps consistency and reuse of code. One such page is obviously the people list page | 18:12 |
| qwazix | Different filters apply (those that have phone, email, etc) in various apps, but the list should be the same | 18:13 |
| qwazix | It has to allow selecting a number/address, search, etc. | 18:14 |
| qwazix | The question is: how do we do that? | 18:14 |
| locusf | indeed | 18:14 |
| locusf | the underlying models are always different from the middleware perspective | 18:14 |
| qwazix | SK_work, faenil, locusf, please give it a thought and propose ideas (doesn't have to be today) | 18:15 |
| locusf | sure | 18:15 |
| qwazix | just sharing a ContactModel is not enough, as we want to share a consistent UI too (avatar positions, best practices for smooth scrolling, name/surname/nickname user preferences etc | 18:16 |
| qwazix | ) | 18:16 |
| SK_work | agreed | 18:16 |
| SK_work | can't the middleware be wrapped in a model that expose the same properties ? | 18:16 |
| SK_work | so that the UI can be the same ? | 18:16 |
| qwazix | I suppose it does, don't really know. | 18:17 |
| qwazix | Also, at what level do we want this wrapper? I said page before, but I was probably wrong | 18:18 |
| qwazix | I think ListView would be a better candidate | 18:18 |
| qwazix | ContactList{ filter: blabla; height: 500; ... } | 18:19 |
| SK_work | ContactList { model: blabla; height: ... } | 18:20 |
| SK_work | ? | 18:20 |
| qwazix | better | 18:20 |
| qwazix | Someone might want to apply contactlist layout to a list of buddies in his app, should be possible | 18:21 |
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| qwazix | but, this requires model blabla to adhere to specific API | 18:22 |
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| locusf | I wonder if libcommhistory would be enough | 18:23 |
| qwazix | does libcommhistory provide a list of contacts? | 18:24 |
| qwazix | Anyway, just food for though at this time. locusf, have in mind that the contact list qml might be split away when coding the dialer | 18:24 |
| locusf | nope contacts are nemo-qml-plugin-contacts | 18:26 |
| sandsmark | hmm, is the yaml file that this is generated from available somewhere?: https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/maliit-plugins/blob/master/rpm/maliit-plugins.spec | 18:28 |
| locusf | anyways | 18:28 |
| locusf | sandsmark: https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/maliit-plugins/commit/ad299e84df2528792327020a2c44f95d47cf5c89 | 18:29 |
| sandsmark | locusf: ah, thanks :D | 18:29 |
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| qwazix | sorry for pause, let's go to the dialer design topic | 18:31 |
| qwazix | Morpog_PC__, locusf here's the same image as yesterday, with explanations: http://play.qwazix.com/shared/dialer.pdf | 18:31 |
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| locusf | qwazix: still puzzled about the call circle there :) | 18:32 |
| qwazix | I'm stealing a little from google this time :P | 18:33 |
| qwazix | It's just a circular button | 18:33 |
| Morpog_PC__ | call circle should be hidden with no numbers entered | 18:33 |
| locusf | ah which activates the call | 18:33 |
| qwazix | I ran out of space wanting to keep all the avatars square, so I decided to overlay the call button | 18:33 |
| Morpog_PC__ | maybe remove the black framing | 18:34 |
| Morpog_PC__ | and not sure about the cursive font | 18:34 |
| qwazix | from the bottom? | 18:34 |
| Morpog_PC__ | nope, framing around each picture/numberpad | 18:34 |
| qwazix | Morpog_PC__, ok just a sec | 18:35 |
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| qwazix | http://play.qwazix.com/shared/dialer2.pdf | 18:38 |
| qwazix | still vertically spaced | 18:39 |
| qwazix | and no spacing at all | 18:40 |
| qwazix | http://play.qwazix.com/shared/dialer3.pdf | 18:40 |
| Morpog_PC__ | I'm all for no spacing at all | 18:40 |
| qwazix | For the other pages, I didn't have much time to do a mockup but I'm thinking a big listView appropriately laid out | 18:40 |
| locusf | yup looks better | 18:41 |
| Morpog_PC__ | qwazix, yep sounds legit | 18:41 |
| locusf | just noticed that the header is supposed to be tabbed? | 18:41 |
| locusf | we won't use TabView etc? | 18:41 |
| Morpog_PC__ | not implemented yet, or? | 18:41 |
| qwazix | locusf, we do have | 18:42 |
| qwazix | sorry | 18:42 |
| Morpog_PC__ | instead of fading to black when selecting a speeddial, i think it would be better to have opacity 0.2 or 0.1 | 18:42 |
| qwazix | I checked the header sources and I didn't see a tabbing option as specced so I thought let's scrap it and use a regular header with three buttons as tabbed | 18:42 |
| Morpog_PC__ | with black we would use the button layout | 18:42 |
| Morpog_PC__ | use = loose | 18:43 |
| qwazix | If the tabbed view is already there but somewhere else, and Glacier styled, by all means, let's use it | 18:43 |
| locusf | well its not yet styled :) | 18:43 |
| Morpog_PC__ | *nod* | 18:43 |
| Morpog_PC__ | argh :D | 18:43 |
| locusf | but definitely possible | 18:43 |
| qwazix | Morpog_PC__, yeah that's what I meant | 18:43 |
| locusf | http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qml-qtquick-controls-styles-tabviewstyle.html | 18:45 |
| locusf | sorry offtopic, lets continue :) | 18:47 |
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| qwazix | and http://play.qwazix.com/shared/dialer4.pdf here's the faded state, with another style | 18:50 |
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| qwazix | (ok my alignment isn't too good, but I did these in a hurry, I promise I'll fix'em | 18:51 |
| Morpog_PC__ | looking good | 18:51 |
| locusf | yeah | 18:52 |
| qwazix | I still prefer the other, smaller numbers though | 18:52 |
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| qwazix | and I think I like the vertical spacing (dialer2.pdf) | 18:52 |
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| qwazix | no strong feelings either way though | 18:53 |
| Morpog_PC__ | i like both | 18:53 |
| Morpog_PC__ | vertical styling could be also great with some finetuning | 18:53 |
| qwazix | So the edit mode is similar to the home screen edit mode (no mockup yet) | 18:53 |
| qwazix | every number fades out and gets a pencil, x and pin button | 18:54 |
| Morpog_PC__ | yeah, thought so | 18:54 |
| qwazix | pencil: change the contact assigned (the new one is automatically pinned) | 18:55 |
| Morpog_PC__ | pin for unpinning | 18:55 |
| qwazix | x: dismisses this contact and the next most popular fills it's place | 18:55 |
| qwazix | pin: pins a contact to a place even if it's not the most popular (see firefox speed dial) | 18:55 |
| locusf | how do we define popular? | 18:56 |
| locusf | number of calls and texts? | 18:56 |
| qwazix | locusf, number of calls only | 18:56 |
| locusf | ok | 18:56 |
| qwazix | how to enter edit mode? pls vote: | 18:56 |
| qwazix | 1. menu item in header: leaves room for direct dialing of contact by long press | 18:57 |
| qwazix | 2. long press: user needs to press 1 then CALL to speeddial | 18:57 |
| qwazix | I first suggested (1) but now I vote (2) | 18:58 |
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| qwazix | ok I declare number 2 a winner due to absense of voters :P | 18:59 |
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| locusf | rah | 19:00 |
| locusf | was thinking :p | 19:00 |
| qwazix | okay np, you can still vote | 19:00 |
| locusf | 1 | 19:00 |
| qwazix | Morpog_PC__, your vote is the deciding one | 19:01 |
| Morpog_PC__ | reads :D | 19:01 |
| Morpog_PC__ | 1 | 19:02 |
| Morpog_PC__ | too much clicks annoy | 19:02 |
| Morpog_PC__ | we could wait for more input from sledges faenil hedayat filippz or others? | 19:03 |
| qwazix | Morpog_PC__, we could, but let's have 1 unless massive outrage breaks out | 19:04 |
| Morpog_PC__ | yep | 19:04 |
| locusf | btw its not possible to raise a call window in Glacier dialer | 19:05 |
| qwazix | so that locusf has things to work on. Anyway coding-wise it isn't a huge change to make afterwards in case people call accidentally or sth | 19:05 |
| locusf | it is possible in Jolla dialer as it assigns special category "alarm" to it | 19:06 |
| qwazix | hmm... | 19:06 |
| qwazix | no idea about that... | 19:06 |
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| locusf | just wanted to point this out :) | 19:07 |
| qwazix | which brings the call ui into consideration | 19:07 |
| qwazix | I'd put a textarea on that so that you can just take notes while in call | 19:09 |
| Morpog_PC__ | nice idea | 19:10 |
| qwazix | Notes can be attached to the call history, and then saved with the contact, or in a special folder in the notes app | 19:10 |
| locusf | yeah there is a note field in the contact | 19:11 |
| Morpog_PC__ | perfect | 19:12 |
| qwazix | anyway, I think we covered most things, I will refine the main dialer screen and start working on the other two and edit mode | 19:13 |
| locusf | scratch that | 19:13 |
| qwazix | btw, do you like straight-up numbers better than italicized ones? (dialer.pdf vs dialer2.pdf and later) | 19:13 |
| locusf | its not available to qml | 19:13 |
| qwazix | note field in contact? | 19:14 |
| locusf | yup | 19:14 |
| qwazix | that's not a problem, we can edit it through C++, but anyway might be better to store seperately | 19:15 |
| Morpog_PC__ | not sure about italiced, as we got it nowhere else | 19:15 |
| qwazix | there might be important things there that can be erased in the hurry of a call | 19:15 |
| qwazix | a new blank note for each call in a seperate folder of the notes app sounds better to me | 19:16 |
| qwazix | (and notes should be plain text files in the filesystem, I'm sick of sqlite db's to store ****in notes) | 19:16 |
| ryukafalz | I'm curious what dialer4 would look like with non-italicized text but otherwise the same style | 19:17 |
| qwazix | Morpog_PC__, ok, normal it is then | 19:17 |
| qwazix | ryukafalz, just a sec | 19:17 |
| locusf | and thats not really our textedit it is using, right? | 19:17 |
| locusf | for the numbers? | 19:18 |
| qwazix | locusf, no it's not | 19:18 |
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| qwazix | I thought of that, but it's a very special textfield, and having a border is really redundant | 19:19 |
| qwazix | ryukafalz, dialer5.pdf | 19:19 |
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| qwazix | without the shading too (i.e. normal view) | 19:19 |
| locusf | where is dialer5? | 19:19 |
| qwazix | http://play.qwazix.com/shared/dialer5.pdf | 19:20 |
| ryukafalz | hm, doesn't work as well as I thought it might | 19:20 |
| qwazix | let's go with dialer2 or dialer3 IMO | 19:21 |
| qwazix | btw, I submitted a talk for the Open Source Design Devroom in FOSDEM | 19:22 |
| Morpog_PC__ | cool | 19:22 |
| ryukafalz | I have to agree with that - the blue background for the numbers could also help readability as it's possible someone's contact pic could be a problem for dialer4 or dialer5 | 19:22 |
| locusf | excellent :) | 19:22 |
| Morpog_PC__ | locusf is also there iirc | 19:22 |
| qwazix | don't know if it's gonna be accepted yet but let's hope | 19:22 |
| * ryukafalz wishes he lived in Europe for FOSDEM | 19:22 | |
| qwazix | Morpog_PC__, you coming? | 19:22 |
| Morpog_PC__ | nope :( | 19:23 |
| qwazix | :( | 19:23 |
| qwazix | ok, so meeting adjourned? anything else? | 19:25 |
| locusf | probably not | 19:25 |
| locusf | I'll start hacking | 19:25 |
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| qwazix | good! I'll be around but probably busy. See you around | 19:25 |
| locusf | ok see ya :) | 19:26 |
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| ryukafalz | So what do you guys use for making nemo concept art? | 19:42 |
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| qwazix | ryukafalz, inkscape mostly | 19:48 |
| ryukafalz | ah, hmm | 19:49 |
| ryukafalz | the background images are raster though right? | 19:49 |
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| qwazix | usually yeah | 19:50 |
| qwazix | photos | 19:50 |
| qwazix | though the one with the circles I think it was vector initially | 19:50 |
| ryukafalz | right | 19:50 |
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| ryukafalz | I suppose vector for the UI components is good for scalability | 19:51 |
| qwazix | yeah, but its bad for performance, so we convert them to raster | 19:51 |
| qwazix | now on compile time, but the plan is to do this at install time | 19:52 |
| qwazix | to cater for different device ppi's | 19:52 |
| ryukafalz | oh right I think I heard talk about the performance issue before | 19:52 |
| ryukafalz | I guess it makes sense as it has to be converted to raster in the end to be displayed | 19:54 |
| qwazix | I didn't think that it would be an issue, given that S60v1 used svg icons but people that know better insist | 19:54 |
| ryukafalz | so converting it before then is like a form of caching | 19:54 |
| qwazix | yeah, something like that | 19:54 |
| qwazix | then the device just needs to map pixel to pixel | 19:55 |
| * ryukafalz nods | 19:55 | |
| ryukafalz | doing that at install time will be nice right now though, right now glacier home looks really small on my n4 :P | 19:55 |
| ryukafalz | s/right now// | 19:56 |
| qwazix | install time is for the apps, for devices that would be already converted in the image (i.e. at image creation time) | 19:56 |
| qwazix | s/devices/base OS/ | 19:56 |
| ryukafalz | well, could be install time if you install glacier home on a device that didn't initially have it, right? | 19:57 |
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| sandsmark | how can I select the keyboard plugin maliit loads? | 19:58 |
| qwazix | ryukafalz, didn't think of that yeah, glacier home as an app is different than glacier home in an image | 19:58 |
| qwazix | or I don't really know if rpm postinstalls are being honored when an image is created | 19:59 |
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| ryukafalz | Ah, I see - I'm not sure what the mer image creation process is so I don't know | 19:59 |
| ryukafalz | actually, I think it uses kickstart, so it should | 20:01 |
| qwazix | it uses that AFAIK yeah | 20:02 |
| ryukafalz | so you're basically just giving it a list of packages to install among other things | 20:02 |
| qwazix | Ah, ok that solves it then. Install time for everything. | 20:03 |
| ryukafalz | qwazix: actually no that might not work | 20:07 |
| ryukafalz | the machine you're building the image on isn't typically the phone... hmm | 20:07 |
| ryukafalz | so can't just detect the ppi in the postinstall script | 20:07 |
| qwazix | no, but you can have a fallback parameter in the .ks file | 20:07 |
| ryukafalz | oh, so specify the ppi in the .ks file for the device? | 20:08 |
| qwazix | when it detects this is not actually nemo device, just read the envvar or sth | 20:08 |
| qwazix | yeah | 20:08 |
| ryukafalz | that could work | 20:08 |
| ryukafalz | I'd be curious to see how Jolla does it for sfos | 20:08 |
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| Stskeeps | same way practically | 20:09 |
| * ryukafalz needs to run through the HADK at some point | 20:09 | |
| ryukafalz | aha, nice | 20:09 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | qwazix, jolla is planning to do a similar approach for it's scaling, icons in future need to be SVG, so they can get rasterixed for the right scale (tablet / phone, etc.) | 20:21 |
| Morpog_PC__ | if it's open, we can use it, after all it was our idea :D | 20:21 |
| * Stskeeps patents | 20:22 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:22 |
| Morpog_PC__ | prior art by irc logs :D | 20:22 |
| * Stskeeps looks at where the logs are.. :p | 20:22 | |
| Morpog_PC__ | lol :D | 20:22 |
| Morpog_PC__ | Stskeeps, maybe intersting read for you? http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2014/12/09/multi-process-embedded-systems-with-qt-for-device-creation-and-wayland/ | 20:26 |
| qwazix | Morpog_PC__, ofc | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC__: yeah it's on my list | 20:26 |
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