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filippz | morning | 06:17 |
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sandsmark | moin moin | 06:18 |
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locusf | morning | 06:49 |
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locusf | my first ever blind port: https://twitter.com/marianoflotron/status/540607583124717569?s=09 | 06:55 |
locusf | ie. I don't have a nexus 5 to test with | 06:55 |
locusf | but he asked and I just delivered the adaptation | 06:55 |
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locusf | this is of course based on situ, vgrade, alin, dmt, sledges hard work | 06:57 |
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situ | locusf: Awesome! | 07:02 |
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iekku_ | locusf, cool! | 07:27 |
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Morpog_PC | the nexus 5 screenshot tshows me the urge for U-scaling :D | 07:51 |
stephg | happy friday nemo-peeps | 07:59 |
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iekku_ | stephg, same to you | 08:23 |
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locusf | tbr: hey | 12:20 |
locusf | tbr: could you create a mako directory for me on devaamo and link me the hammerhead as well for nemo releases | 12:20 |
locusf | ? | 12:20 |
tbr | ok | 12:22 |
locusf | tbr: thanks :) | 12:23 |
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tbr | locusf: you should have access to those now in the SFA directory. you might need to log in again to get that | 12:26 |
locusf | tbr: ok thanks | 12:27 |
locusf | I get a permission denied on scp though | 12:28 |
tbr | locusf: sorry, was missing one chown | 12:29 |
locusf | tbr: ok np :) | 12:30 |
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SK_work | pvuorela: ping | 15:19 |
SK_work | are you the maliit expert right ? | 15:19 |
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filippz | locusf: I'm playing with ngfd settings and bunch of effectes there refer to ivt (haptic definitions) files - problem is that we don't have any of those in any of our packages AFAIK | 15:55 |
locusf | filippz: hmm ok | 15:56 |
locusf | I wonder where those come from then | 15:56 |
filippz | I'm not sure if we should just package files from Harmattan or even from here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85940 | 15:57 |
filippz | Also we do have sound files installed (sound-theme-freedesktop) just ngfd doesn't use them. I don't know why we have that package in our ks | 15:59 |
locusf | it was in the original packages list | 16:04 |
locusf | thus in the working patterns | 16:04 |
filippz | on Harmattan ivt files come from m-ringtones & meego-ui-tones - can't find license info for them ATM | 16:06 |
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silver_hook | Silly question from a guy ...but is anyone working on a menstrual calendar yet? | 16:27 |
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stephg | there were some for harmattan iirc | 16:28 |
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silver_hook | stephg: I could not find any... | 16:38 |
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SK_work | silver_hook: a menstrual calendar is fun | 16:43 |
SK_work | silver_hook: are you writing one ? | 16:44 |
silver_hook | SK_work: Nope, i suck at coding ...but it sounds simple and useful enough if noone else wants to do it. | 16:44 |
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SK_work | silver_hook: do you want to learn ? | 16:45 |
SK_work | coding :) | 16:45 |
silver_hook | SK_work: it *would* be fun, but i do not have time for it until may or so... | 16:46 |
silver_hook | otherwise, sure | 16:46 |
SK_work | Oo | 16:46 |
SK_work | ok | 16:46 |
SK_work | ping me again in may :) | 16:46 |
silver_hook | ok, will do ;) | 16:52 |
silver_hook | thanks | 16:52 |
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filippz | locuf: it seems Jolla doesn't use immvibe plugin of ngfd anymore - they moved all to ffmemless- so I'll skip those ivt files, and use ffmemless effects :) | 17:02 |
filippz | trouble is they have NGF_PULLEY NGF_PWROFF and NGF_TOH that are not upstreamed to ngfd, so I'll just copy some existing ones for now | 17:03 |
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phaeron | filippz: who is upstream ? | 17:04 |
phaeron | other than us | 17:05 |
filippz | yup we are, but downstream is Jolla - and those 3 NGF_* are not here :) | 17:06 |
phaeron | where are are you looking ? | 17:06 |
filippz | https://github.com/nemomobile/ngfd/blob/master/data/plugins.d/ffmemless.ini | 17:07 |
phaeron | we use the same repo btw | 17:07 |
filippz | am I missing something - where is NGF_PWROFF defined then? | 17:07 |
phaeron | maybe a plugin ? | 17:08 |
filippz | it's mentioned in /usr/share/ngfd/events.d/pwroff.ini from ngfd-settings-sailfish | 17:09 |
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phaeron | so just a settings file | 17:09 |
filippz | ah, yes you are right, ffmemless.ini is there also :) | 17:09 |
filippz | and it's different than the one on github | 17:10 |
phaeron | yeah our settings may differ | 17:10 |
filippz | I guess it's not OK to use those files in nemo settings package? | 17:11 |
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locusf | filippz: okay | 17:15 |
phaeron | filippz: should be ok | 17:18 |
filippz | phaeron: thanks! | 17:19 |
filippz | IMHO we need all the files copied from ngfd-settings-sailfish and modify them to use sounds from meegotouch-theme-darko | 17:19 |
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pvuorela | SK_work: pong, yes. | 17:30 |
SK_work | pvuorela: maybe we should move | 17:31 |
SK_work | to #sailfishos | 17:31 |
pvuorela | sure. | 17:31 |
SK_work | because I would love to know how input handling is done from maliit to aliendalvik | 17:31 |
SK_work | and if you know about external keyboard integration part | 17:31 |
SK_work | kimmoli: ^ | 17:31 |
pvuorela | SK_work: aliendalvik just implements the same maliit d-bus interface qt input context plugin does. | 17:32 |
SK_work | hum ... | 17:33 |
SK_work | maliit dbus interface ? | 17:33 |
SK_work | qt input context plugin ? | 17:33 |
SK_work | so, to ask the question more straigntforwarly | 17:33 |
SK_work | how is the input arch done ATM, and how / where would you put the physical kbd integration | 17:33 |
SK_work | (speaking for the TOHKBD) | 17:34 |
pvuorela | SK_work: so, there's maliit-server that runs the UI for virtual keyboards, it connects to application with p2p d-bus, application side integrates to qt with a QPlatformInputContext plugin. | 17:35 |
SK_work | ok | 17:35 |
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SK_work | so 2 entry points: 1. QPlatformInputContext, 2. maliit | 17:35 |
pvuorela | SK_work: physical keyboard likely has some lower level handling, normal key events generated on the window system level. | 17:36 |
SK_work | maybe a 3rd: libinput or wayland level ? | 17:36 |
SK_work | do you know if we can transfer some low level handling key-press to maliit-server ? | 17:37 |
pvuorela | SK_work: maliit input context plugin can then also forward key events to maliit server which can implement more complex handling. like error correction on words, exotic input methods and such. | 17:37 |
SK_work | and if maliit-server can operate in a vkb-less environnement ? | 17:37 |
pvuorela | yea, maliit has special mode for handling hardware keyboard, those can even have some UI parts if wanted. | 17:38 |
SK_work | pvuorela: can you give me some pointers on how to do this ? | 17:38 |
pvuorela | SK_work: if you've seen N950 keyboard handling, it got key events to qt plugin, forwarded those to maliit, and maliit sent back composed input. did things like different characters for long press on keys etc. | 17:38 |
SK_work | pvuorela: ha interesting | 17:39 |
SK_work | but I have never seen N950 keyboard handling | 17:39 |
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SK_work | I think that this will interest kimmoli a lot :) | 17:39 |
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pvuorela | so, code for maliit framework side is there: https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/maliit-framework | 17:40 |
pvuorela | possibly interesting bits: https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/maliit-framework/blob/master/maliit-framework/src/mimhwkeyboardtracker.cpp | 17:41 |
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SK_work | pvuorela: the sending keys part to maliit-server + compose management would be interesting too | 17:42 |
SK_work | if you know where to look at ? | 17:42 |
pvuorela | https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/maliit-framework/blob/master/maliit-framework/input-context/minputcontext.cpp | 17:42 |
pvuorela | that's the qt application plugin side. filterEvent() etc. | 17:43 |
SK_work | you mean QPlatformInputContext ? | 17:44 |
pvuorela | yea. | 17:44 |
SK_work | thanks | 17:44 |
SK_work | ok | 17:44 |
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filippz | phaeron: (maybe you know) seems that canberra plugin has hardcoded theme name (jolla-ambient) - is this expected to be configurable (dconf) at some point? | 17:44 |
pvuorela | SK_work: the hw keyboard detection with contextkit was working to some extend, but had some problems i haven't gotten time to look into. | 17:44 |
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SK_work | ok | 17:45 |
SK_work | pvuorela: well, this can "wait" | 17:45 |
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pvuorela | SK_work: key composition, that can be done then on maliit plugin side, i.e. jolla-keyboard or maliit-keyboard. | 17:47 |
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SK_work | so you have to expect that jolla-keyboard (in this case) exports an API for composition and key sending ? | 17:48 |
pvuorela | SK_work: well, jolla-keyboard should rather internally handle the input. | 17:49 |
SK_work | pvuorela: what if we need to support our own layout ? | 17:50 |
pvuorela | SK_work: there's also possibility to add a separate hw keyboard handler plugin to maliit-server. though that code hasn't necessarily been run lately that much :) | 17:50 |
pvuorela | SK_work: own layout likely goes to wayland level. | 17:50 |
SK_work | should we have a daemon that perform transalation and send you the preformatted letter ? | 17:50 |
SK_work | hum | 17:50 |
SK_work | about the key-presses, how can we send them to the jolla-keyboard maliit server ? | 17:52 |
SK_work | compositing and layout can be another question for later | 17:52 |
pvuorela | application receives key events in normal windowing system manner. qt input context plugin can do the forwarding from there. | 17:53 |
SK_work | hum, I'm a bit lost | 17:53 |
pvuorela | for basic support maliit is not really needed. that's more for the advanced stuff of doing something more than keypress -> insert character. | 17:53 |
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SK_work | pvuorela: maliit is only needed for composing then ? | 17:54 |
pvuorela | ye. | 17:54 |
SK_work | ok | 17:54 |
SK_work | now, how it is done on low level wayland to send key-presses ? | 17:55 |
pvuorela | or well, suppose there could be a maliit plugin that takes input from anywhere. but if possible, could be nicer if application just got normal key pressses with wayland. | 17:55 |
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SK_work | thanks for the info :) | 17:56 |
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pvuorela | SK_work: on that level i don't know too much. | 17:57 |
SK_work | I guess it is about libinput and stuff | 17:58 |
SK_work | kimmoli did make something work iirc | 17:58 |
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kimmoli | wut | 19:01 |
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