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| locusf | good morning | 06:31 |
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| filippz | morning o/ | 06:41 |
| filippz | locusf: I've tested N9 with glacier. Homescreen is rotated, but other things are not - do I need to rotate framebuffer like in sailfish? | 06:43 |
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| mkosola | filippz: Morning, you have now image for N9 where lipstick is starting properly? | 06:47 |
| filippz | mkosola: yes - I had to give session dbus a little kick to start - from there on user service (including lipstick) do get started | 06:49 |
| mkosola | filippz: nice | 06:49 |
| filippz | mkosola: took me some time, but now I have one more thing I don't like: systemd | 06:50 |
| mkosola | heh | 06:50 |
| mkosola | yeah, that is sometimes quite complex | 06:51 |
| filippz | I noticed that jolla is using autologin binary for starting user session - do you know a reason for that? | 06:52 |
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| mkosola | filippz: I don't know much about it but as far as I know it is systemd way of start user session, that is new since we updated to systemd 208 | 07:00 |
| filippz | mkosola: OK, thanks - I managed without it, but I was wondering if something more is needed that may be a problem in the future | 07:02 |
| locusf | filippz: the homescreen is stuck at landscape because of qqcn components used | 07:04 |
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| filippz | locusf: I noticed that glacier also doesn't respond to rotation (while colorful does) - is it intended to be portrait only? | 07:06 |
| locusf | filippz: you are correct, t doesn't respond to rotation events | 07:07 |
| locusf | filippz: portrait is the rotation target for glacier yes | 07:07 |
| filippz | locusf: if I'm reading it correctly - we need to make N9 to use portrait display? | 07:08 |
| locusf | filippz: yes | 07:08 |
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| filippz | I can do that form kernel, but I cant rotate touchscreen in it. We'll have to use QT_QPA_EVDEV_TOUCHSCREEN_PARAMETERS="rotate=90" in 60-n9-n950-ui.conf | 07:10 |
| locusf | ok | 07:10 |
| locusf | I used the same variable on p3110 as well | 07:11 |
| filippz | Then we can drop fbset-N9.service and kernel boot paramters (vram=6m omapfb.vram=0:6M) | 07:11 |
| filippz | I'll ty to do that this evening. In the meantime I'll try to catch some time to see why mce is not working for us | 07:12 |
| locusf | ok thanks :) | 07:13 |
| filippz | np, locusf - thank you! | 07:14 |
| locusf | now some multivariate analysis, ttyl | 07:15 |
| filippz | I'm also getting back to work (sql'n'stuff) | 07:18 |
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| filippz | locusf: seems my systemd/dbus troubles are far from over - does your dbus session die (user@100000.service operation timed out. Terminating.) and takes lipstick with it? | 16:08 |
| locusf | filippz: I'm not 100% sure its that but it definately does die after a while | 16:08 |
| filippz | I remembered you mentioning that it froze - probably lisptick just died without cleaning framebuffer | 16:09 |
| locusf | it was frozen on the waking up stage | 16:10 |
| locusf | it didn't react to touch input | 16:10 |
| filippz | well | 16:11 |
| filippz | my dbus dies taking all user services with it | 16:11 |
| filippz | I just don't understand "systemd --user" should call "systemdctl --user" and start dbus user session - but I have to do it myself (obviously in the wrong way) | 16:11 |
| filippz | can you check journal for "operation timed out" on user@.service? | 16:12 |
| locusf | sure | 16:13 |
| filippz | In https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/User it states "Systemd user instance should be started automatically on first login" | 16:15 |
| filippz | If I'm reading it right - we should somehow start "login" and maybe using "systemd --user" from start_user_session script is not enough | 16:17 |
| filippz | Jolla has it's own autologin binary - this is probably the reason for that binary | 16:17 |
| locusf | I have one occurence of operation timed out happening | 16:18 |
| locusf | but just that one and its exactly for user@100000.service | 16:20 |
| filippz | have you been using it for more than a couple of minutes at a time? | 16:20 |
| locusf | hmm not really no | 16:21 |
| filippz | OK, this is just making me mad - I'll now try to copy over autologin from jolla and set service files like jolla does - just to see how is that working | 16:23 |
| locusf | now I got a reboot after a lipstick starting for a second or two | 16:24 |
| locusf | but ok I'll copy over autologin and service files | 16:24 |
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| filippz | you will - I think we need some scripts in /usr/libs/startup also | 16:25 |
| locusf | where is that autologin | 16:26 |
| filippz | jolla-session-qt5 package | 16:26 |
| filippz | it has /etc/pamd. file too - and a service file for it | 16:26 |
| filippz | also start-user-session@.service is different on jolla and without @ in it's name | 16:27 |
| filippz | ^ /etc/pam.d/ | 16:27 |
| filippz | and /usr/lib/systemd/user has pre-user-session.wants to dbus.session that nemo doesn't have | 16:28 |
| filippz | It's not that simple, but it should be doable | 16:29 |
| filippz | jollas user@.service has a line TTYPath=/dev/tty7, that could be important - it seems that autologin uses it | 16:32 |
| locusf | nothing happens, installed the entire jolla-sessions-qt5 package on n9 :) | 16:33 |
| locusf | I'll reinstall my image now | 16:33 |
| filippz | hm, good idea - but there could be some clashes with nemo-session-wayland and friends | 16:34 |
| filippz | din't installing jolla-sessions-qt5 complain about any dependencies? | 16:35 |
| locusf | it did but I ignored them | 16:35 |
| locusf | *facepalm* right? | 16:36 |
| filippz | not really, I would do that also | 16:36 |
| filippz | I once tried to put it in my ks file - din't work because of dependencies | 16:37 |
| filippz | could you just take a look at journal before reinstalling? | 16:38 |
| locusf | too late, sorry | 16:38 |
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| filippz | np, I'll try to do the above changes by hand | 16:39 |
| locusf | its also strange that you don't have any graphical glitches on your installation | 16:40 |
| filippz | no glitches? https://www.dropbox.com/s/mz964f8p7yzgppn/20141020%20002.jpg?dl=0 | 16:41 |
| locusf | lol ok I'll take it back :D | 16:41 |
| filippz | that's my attempt to change orientation from kernel - obviously it will require some more work :) | 16:42 |
| filippz | but not until I have working dbus | 16:42 |
| filippz | I can use fixes from sailfish but they are without double or even triple buffering, so I'm trying to do it "right" this time | 16:44 |
| locusf | ok now it shut down lipstick after a while and rebooted | 16:46 |
| filippz | probably that timeout thing | 16:48 |
| locusf | yes | 16:48 |
| locusf | pvr: lipstick: IOCTL 70 failed | 16:49 |
| locusf | lots of those | 16:49 |
| filippz | uh, I din't get any of those | 16:49 |
| locusf | my n9 might be dying though | 16:49 |
| filippz | I'll try to sort out that dbus/systemd/autoplogin mess first and see what works and what doesn't | 16:50 |
| locusf | ok | 16:50 |
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| faenil | evening | 17:12 |
| locusf | hey | 17:13 |
| faenil | it seems like someone has been having fun today | 17:13 |
| filippz | faenil: o/ | 17:16 |
| faenil | filippz: \o | 17:17 |
| filippz | the other day we were probably talking about different environment vars - I was referring to the ones related to dbus startup | 17:17 |
| faenil | my adsl has been so broken today that I'm at my gf's now :D | 17:17 |
| faenil | filippz: ok :) | 17:17 |
| faenil | filippz: I was generally speaking about those in /var/lib/environment/ folders...I'm quite we'll need at least a few of those | 17:18 |
| faenil | quite sure* | 17:18 |
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| filippz | faneli: of course, but we still have issuse starting/sustaining systemd user session - those vars will come in handy once this is sorted out | 17:20 |
| faenil | filippz: I hoped some of them could help here as well :) since there are EGL/WAYLAND/etc vars in there ^_^ | 17:20 |
| faenil | but nvm | 17:20 |
| filippz | faenil: what about that adsl thing - what will you do? | 17:21 |
| faenil | filippz: did you follow my story in the last months? :D | 17:21 |
| filippz | yes - I know the joys of living in countries on Adriatic sea ;) | 17:22 |
| faenil | ahah | 17:22 |
| faenil | anyway, I sent the letter TODAY to cancel my phone number today, and stop any contract with the current ISP | 17:23 |
| faenil | (whoops, 2 todays) | 17:23 |
| filippz | in recently purchased "daughter" company I had to use 3G router instead of ADSL - that about sums it regarding the infrastructure | 17:23 |
| faenil | next step is make a contract with the main ISP, which offers FTTS/FTTC plans | 17:24 |
| faenil | filippz: hehe...the problem is, max you can find here is 10Gb/month 3G...that really isn't enough for 4 computer scientists | 17:24 |
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| faenil | (maybe even 15/20Gb? stil...) | 17:25 |
| filippz | yeah, I used some crazy "group" plan of 50GB - with 1 member of the group :) | 17:25 |
| filippz | go figure - 1 = group | 17:25 |
| faenil | hehe | 17:25 |
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| faenil | and now I'm using a 100mb/100mb connection..... | 17:28 |
| faenil | I'll miss uni ... :D | 17:28 |
| faenil | 100mbps/100mbps | 17:29 |
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| faenil_ | whoops, router cable is a bit loose :D | 17:34 |
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| kimmoli | Just pasted a lot, see here http://pastebin.com/pQ2SqkG2 | 18:38 |
| kimmoli | lbt: ping ^ | 18:38 |
| lbt | pong | 18:38 |
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| kimmoli | i did push new branch to bucket (devel), and it did trigger build on master ?? | 18:39 |
| lbt | [20/10/2014 19:33] <Merbot> Tag 0.3.0 by kimmoli in master branch of https://bitbucket.org/kimmoli/toholed_daemon.git, which will trigger build in project home:kimmoli:tohs package toholed-daemon (https://build.merproject.org//package/show/home:kimmoli:tohs/toholed-daemon) | 18:39 |
| lbt | in #mer-boss | 18:39 |
| kimmoli | yes | 18:39 |
| lbt | so is that all good now? | 18:39 |
| kimmoli | no | 18:40 |
| kimmoli | it works, yes. | 18:40 |
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| kimmoli | but i didnt push to master. | 18:40 |
| lbt | you pushed to devel and it trigged a build in master | 18:40 |
| kimmoli | yes | 18:40 |
| * lbt suggests using github or git.merproject.org :) I know phaeron has had issues keeping up with bb events | 18:41 | |
| kimmoli | maybe it was just the new branch. | 18:42 |
| kimmoli | did push again to devel, just a commit, and not triggered anything as it shouldnt | 18:43 |
| lbt | looking at the detailed debug logs atm | 18:43 |
| lbt | it seems that webhook noticed an empty event and then built 0.3.0 | 18:45 |
| kimmoli | ok | 18:46 |
| lbt | tbh the logic behind webhooks is a bit odd | 18:46 |
| lbt | the hook/event content has evolved over time and some of the guesses that used to be made may no longer makes sense | 18:46 |
| lbt | afaict it wasn't actually the devel push that caused the build | 18:47 |
| kimmoli | some shadow of it them | 18:49 |
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| lbt | so... | 18:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | kimmoli is using bitbucket and not github? :P | 18:55 |
| lbt | kimmoli: http://pastebin.com/aTrH9db2 | 18:55 |
| lbt | so something happened at 18:33 and then the push at 18:42 | 18:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | kimmoli: and you use windows as well ;) | 18:56 |
| lbt | the 18:33 one caused the build - but the payload is a no-op as far as I can see | 18:56 |
| kimmoli | oo what timezone :) | 18:56 |
| kimmoli | +0 | 18:56 |
| kimmoli | ok | 18:56 |
| kimmoli | "just a test" did not do anything (as it shouldnät) | 18:56 |
| kimmoli | 18:42 | 18:57 |
| kimmoli | the first, 18:33, i did just create branch and push it to bucket (w/o commits) | 18:57 |
| lbt | it could just be a bug in how we handle the bb events | 18:58 |
| kimmoli | or maybe i should make a commit before pushing new branch | 18:59 |
| kimmoli | ZogG_laptop: there is nothing wrong to be different ? | 18:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | kimmoli: different by using bitbucket? | 19:00 |
| kimmoli | and windows | 19:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | it hass better free plan afaik that github | 19:00 |
| kimmoli | yes, can have few private | 19:01 |
| kimmoli | but e.g. you can't tag on web interface | 19:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | but as git is not only about tracking code but also cooperation (social thing in some degree) — you would prefer github | 19:01 |
| kimmoli | i'm mostly on github. but some in bucket | 19:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | i need to follow you at both so you'll be happy? :P | 19:02 |
| lbt | I'm not unhappy that we have bb users - dunno how phaeron feels about it though :) | 19:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | who cares what git repo at the end :P | 19:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | or you mean coz of bots and hooks and so on? | 19:03 |
| kimmoli | ...if you look the webhook list, i'm kinda alone there | 19:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | why do you need those? | 19:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mean what is the purpose? | 19:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | so it would be rebuild on mer repos? | 19:09 |
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| locusf | basically its a ci thing + automagic packager + free repository | 19:15 |
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| kimmoli | i like automation | 19:17 |
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| ZogG | faenil, is here to ban ppl | 20:21 |
| * ZogG hides | 20:22 | |
| faenil | ZogG: hiding won't save you :p | 20:22 |
| hedayat | faenil: excuse me, sailfish port for N9 is discussed here or at #sailfish or #sailfishporters, or none of them (just TMO?)? :P | 20:40 |
| faenil | hedayat: #sailfishporters ;) | 20:41 |
| hedayat | faenil: :D Yeah, it should be! Thought that it might be somewhere else sine I didn't find much in its logs (but I didn't investigate more than a few days) | 20:43 |
| faenil | hedayat: well not many are interested in n9...there's more effort on <insert your android device here> sailfish ports | 20:44 |
| hedayat | faenil: And what is the state of Nemo? I'm using the latest available image but it seems that you are discussing much more newer here, right? | 20:44 |
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| hedayat | faenil: yeah... :( | 20:44 |
| faenil | hedayat: yup, filippz and locusf are working on making the latest packages boot | 20:45 |
| faenil | the thing is, Nemo has been a bit inactive for, like, a year | 20:45 |
| faenil | as we've all been too busy with studies | 20:45 |
| faenil | in the meanwhile jolla implemented a lot of stuff in Nemo middleware and Mer core, they also updated many system packages | 20:46 |
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| faenil | so now Nemo (which was already mostly broken after the move from X11 to Wayland) is even more broken :D | 20:46 |
| hedayat | faenil: :) | 20:46 |
| faenil | but those guys are trying to resurrect it :) I'm trying to give a hand from the outside, when I have an idea | 20:46 |
| faenil | (I can't afford falling into the temptation myself as I have my master thesis to work on ^^ ) | 20:47 |
| hedayat | faenil: As I finally installed Nemo and Sailfish, I hope to be able to help. However, my time is also very limited | 20:47 |
| faenil | hedayat: great! don't bother, whatever you can do is appreciated...sometimes we just need the people with the right knowledge or passion (even if they have little time) to overcome issues :) | 20:48 |
| hedayat | faenil: :) yes, it can kill your time. like how I've spent a lot of time on getting these 2 working in about 3 days... | 20:48 |
| faenil | hehe | 20:48 |
| hedayat | faenil: I'll be glad to help if I can | 20:49 |
| faenil | hedayat: awesome :) | 20:49 |
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| hedayat | faenil: Does glacier (if spelled correctly) has any visual feedback when you touch an application icon? Currently, I can't understand if my touch is recognized or not! | 20:56 |
| hedayat | faenil: if I've understood correctly, I'm currently using lipstick | 20:57 |
| faenil | hedayat: no, no. Stop now. We're way beyond that | 20:57 |
| faenil | kidding | 20:58 |
| faenil | yes there should be an animation ;) | 20:58 |
| hedayat | faenil: :) | 20:58 |
| faenil | which image are you using btw? | 20:58 |
| hedayat | nemo-n950-rnd-20140224.tar.bz2 | 20:59 |
| hedayat | the latest image I found | 20:59 |
| faenil | ok, so, that was the last image before the new migration | 20:59 |
| faenil | that one is not reliable | 20:59 |
| faenil | the homescreen has changed in the meanwhile | 20:59 |
| faenil | locusf is building the new Glacier homescreen | 21:00 |
| hedayat | new migration? what's that? it is already using systemd/wayland. Is the new migration about Glacier or something else? | 21:00 |
| faenil | and I am (was) working on the Glacier UI components set, with a few other people (sorry guys, I forgot who helped :/ ) | 21:00 |
| faenil | hedayat: moving to Qt5.2 and systemd 208 | 21:00 |
| hedayat | Alright. | 21:01 |
| faenil | it's quite a migration, trust me ^_^ new renderer, and, well, different systemd | 21:01 |
| faenil | new everything | 21:01 |
| hedayat | faenil: Yes I do! | 21:01 |
| faenil | 8months worth of upgrades from jolla, are now packed into Nemo | 21:01 |
| faenil | and we can't get it to boot anymore ^_^ | 21:01 |
| faenil | plus, yes, the transition to Glacier homescreen | 21:01 |
| hedayat | Is the latest images available somewhere or I should build myself? | 21:02 |
| faenil | the UI components are not finished yet, so we can't start designing and coding the core applications (which are currently written using Meego's Qt Components) | 21:02 |
| faenil | hedayat: build it | 21:03 |
| faenil | but, as I said, it probably won't boot | 21:03 |
| faenil | (or it will reboot soon,read the log of the last few days to get a better picture :D ) | 21:03 |
| hedayat | faenil: :( ok.. so I should setup the complete environment... | 21:04 |
| hedayat | faenil: Yes, I've seen already :) | 21:04 |
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| faenil | yes, you need mer sdk (either on Linux or on Windows via a Linux vm) | 21:05 |
| hedayat | I might be able to help specially since my OS is already using systemd-208 | 21:05 |
| faenil | you desktop OS you mean? | 21:05 |
| hedayat | yes | 21:05 |
| faenil | awesome! | 21:05 |
| faenil | you should get in touch with filippz and locusf when they're around then ;) | 21:06 |
| faenil | (and don't grow my temptation!) | 21:06 |
| hedayat | faenil: ok ok | 21:06 |
| hedayat | faenil: :) | 21:06 |
| faenil | :) | 21:06 |
| hedayat | Me too. I should get to do what I should have done in these days. | 21:08 |
| hedayat | :P | 21:08 |
| faenil | eheh | 21:08 |
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| hedayat | Tomorrow I'll post the solution to boot Nemo/Sailfish without re-partitioning. It has some interesting consequences, like the ability to have multiple versions of them simultaneously. | 21:12 |
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| faenil | hedayat: cool stuff | 21:16 |
| hedayat | faenil: yeah :P | 21:17 |
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