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| Oksana | So, what is happening with camera and Nemo Mobile Wayland? | 00:22 |
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| Oksana | Should I upgrade Nemo Mobile with zypper, or will pulse audio not work any more? | 00:26 |
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| faenil | env x='() { :;}; echo nemomobileRocks' bash -c "good morning world!" | 08:39 |
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| faenil | (I actually forgot echo in the last command, but please don't kick me on that :D ) | 08:43 |
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| locusf | :) | 08:57 |
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| iekku | faenil, hmmmm | 09:33 |
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| faenil | iekku: o/ | 09:37 |
| SK_work | \o/ | 09:37 |
| iekku | :D | 09:38 |
| iekku | \o | 09:38 |
| iekku | ahoy cubs | 09:38 |
| locusf | hey | 09:40 |
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| iekku | locusf, o/ | 10:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: it's not polite to have @ at freenode | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | it really depends on the channel | 10:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | mostlly all channels i visted no one uses it untill needed | 10:07 |
| ZogG_laptop | so bsh is pwned :( | 10:08 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps: btw s jolla uses btrfs it was choice coz of meego switching to btrfs? | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | no, meego actually switched back | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | to ext4 | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | in silence | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | i just got new ssd and wanted to try btrfs as fs for / and /home | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't personally recommend btrfs | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | i ended up using zfs on linux | 10:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | zfs is problematic | 10:10 |
| SK_work | still on ext4 here | 10:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's not natural | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | it has license issues but it is lovely | 10:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeah but i want "native" soolution :P | 10:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | i set root as btrfs | 10:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | and home as ext4 | 10:10 |
| SK_work | ZogG_laptop: dunno what's a native solution, but ext4 all the way isn't bad | 10:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | anyway you can convert both ways if you want | 10:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | SK_work: ZFS is not native, i mean coz of license problems it would not be in kernel | 10:11 |
| SK_work | ZogG_laptop: ha | 10:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | and as i use source based system and not stable branch, it can be unpleasent | 10:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | as i se it btrfs is going to be future system or at least it aims to | 10:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | so i wanted to try | 10:13 |
| faenil | yeah well it seems btrfs is getting better recently | 10:14 |
| SK_work | ZogG_laptop: you aren't afraid of btrfs rebalance ? | 10:15 |
| faenil | the problem is jolla has ancient btrfs :P | 10:15 |
| faenil | ancient as in, btrfs from kernel 3.4 more or less, afaik | 10:15 |
| SK_work | hum | 10:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: it get's one from kernel | 10:15 |
| faenil | and a loooooooooot of stuff happened since then | 10:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw is compression used on jolla? | 10:15 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop: mm? | 10:15 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop: afaik Jolla uses btrfs from, like, 3.4, with a few patches from newer btrfs on top...but still, it's very old, in btrfs stability life-time | 10:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: the problem you can't (actually you can but not on public phone system) update btrfs without updating kernel | 10:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think btrfs is announeced stable from 3.10 or something | 10:17 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop: exactly, well you can patch it a bit, as long as it doesn't require stuff from newer kernels | 10:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm gonna use 3.16.3 till 3.17 is out | 10:17 |
| faenil | Stskeeps: did you try the "new" btrfs, or only referring to the jolla experience? | 10:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | SK_work: what is the problem with rebalnce? | 10:17 |
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| SK_work | ZogG_laptop: rebalance on the Jolla took overnight | 10:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | rebalance* | 10:18 |
| SK_work | and before rebalance there were silent failures | 10:18 |
| SK_work | don't know if some desktop linux have "rebalance needed" detection embedded | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: all my existing data was zfs anyway | 10:18 |
| faenil | Stskeeps: yes, I mean, what is your current opinion based on, newer or older btrfs? | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | whatever we have on jolla, true | 10:19 |
| faenil | ok | 10:19 |
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| ZogG_laptop | SK_work: you mean if disk get's full when it really does not coz of metadata? | 10:20 |
| SK_work | ZogG_laptop: disk got not fully full, but the tree ~fills the disk | 10:20 |
| filippz | Hello, o/ | 10:26 |
| filippz | locusf, sletta was right all the time http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2014-05-29.log.html#t2014-05-29T17:18:09 | 10:27 |
| * faenil sees his name in the log | 10:28 | |
| ZogG_laptop | btw why there is no proper serch thru logs? | 10:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: you are celeb | 10:28 |
| sletta | filippz: does my proposed fix work as well? | 10:28 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop: search engines not enough? D: | 10:29 |
| filippz | adding && (!surface()->handle()->isFrontBufferReleased()) in QSGNode *QWaylandSurfaceItem::updatePaintNode after if (visible) prevents N9 from crashing | 10:29 |
| * faenil kisses filippz | 10:29 | |
| filippz | sletta: seems locusf tried it later on in code | 10:29 |
| sletta | ah | 10:29 |
| filippz | aaaaw, faenil | 10:29 |
| locusf | I don't unfortunately remember exactly on what I did to try to fix it | 10:30 |
| locusf | good job filippz | 10:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: where is it? | 10:30 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop: what | 10:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | excatly | 10:30 |
| faenil | the search engines? there are many :D | 10:30 |
| filippz | does it make any sense to patch it now, since we are waiting for move to Qt5.2 | 10:30 |
| faenil | filippz: not sure, I've also seen a PR which will move lipstick to QtWayland 5.4 | 10:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: btw what would you say about passport? | 10:31 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop: it's freaking awesome | 10:31 |
| faenil | that touch-sensitive keyboard... :Q___ | 10:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: i would get one but there are 2 things that stop me | 10:31 |
| faenil | and the audio experience, and the battery life... :Q___ | 10:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | not swappable battery | 10:31 |
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| faenil | mmm | 10:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | and keyboard is awesome but the problem is layouts | 10:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i loved the form and size | 10:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | and sppecs are good enuf | 10:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | for 600$ | 10:32 |
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| faenil | yeah, I have that 500€ coupon around, but it's 649€, and I can't afford the extra 150 | 10:33 |
| filippz | faenil: I suggest we sit on it for now - code in new qtwayland is very different from version currently used - we'll see what the switch brings us | 10:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: what coupon? | 10:36 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop: the one I won here http://devblog.blackberry.com/2012/06/blackberry-10-jam-world-tour-milan/ | 10:37 |
| faenil | that guy with the sport suit on stage is me, lol | 10:37 |
| faenil | that suit also had a hole on one knee, if I only think about it, I blush | 10:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: and it's coupon for blackberry? | 10:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | you can get it from USA as it's cheaper there | 10:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | 150 euro is nothing for that device imho though | 10:41 |
| SK_work | faenil: WP | 10:44 |
| SK_work | (not windows phone, well played) | 10:44 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop: coupon for shopblackberry europe | 10:45 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop: I should still add VAT to the USA price, so that doesn't help | 10:45 |
| faenil | SK_work: thanks :) | 10:45 |
| faenil | bbl guys, lunch | 10:45 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop: still waiting for you on nemo :P | 10:46 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps: busybox isn't really vulnerable | 12:06 |
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| Wikiwide | I am reading webpage https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Updating | 13:30 |
| Wikiwide | Wayland/Qt5 section | 13:30 |
| Wikiwide | I have no adaptation* repos, and running ssu ur does not add them. | 13:31 |
| Wikiwide | And yes, I am typing commands as root. | 13:31 |
| Wikiwide | How do I add these repos to zypper? Nemo Mobile Wayland, N950. Do I need to install any packages? | 13:32 |
| Wikiwide | ssu fl says devel. | 13:34 |
| Wikiwide | Are you migrating from ti to mesa? | 13:35 |
| Wikiwide | I want to make sure all the problems with repositories, dependencies and packages are resolved before I have to reboot the device. Otherwise, it may become not-working in a subtle way, and then I will have to re-flash it back to an old image. | 13:37 |
| Wikiwide | Is qmlcamera workable, or will it break something? | 13:43 |
| locusf | hey Wikiwide | 13:44 |
| locusf | currently updating won't necessarily work | 13:44 |
| locusf | and no, we are not migrating to mesa, its the lack of the adaptation repos which cause this | 13:45 |
| locusf | tbh I haven't updated in a long time | 13:45 |
| Wikiwide | Alright, how do I add adaptation repos if ssu ur does not add them? | 13:46 |
| locusf | good question :) | 13:46 |
| Wikiwide | If I cannot upgrade with zypper, then where can I find the latest working image to re-flash the device? | 13:46 |
| Wikiwide | Latest, as in, nightly. Or weekly, at least. | 13:47 |
| locusf | zypper ar http://repo.merproject.org/obs/nemo:/devel:/hw:/ti:/omap3:/n9xx-common/latest_armv7hl/nemo:devel:hw:ti:omap3:n9xx-common.repo | 13:48 |
| locusf | the latest image is from february | 13:48 |
| locusf | also zypper ar http://repo.merproject.org/obs/nemo:/devel:/hw:/ti:/omap3:/n950-n9/latest_armv7hl/nemo:devel:hw:ti:omap3:n950-n9.repo | 13:49 |
| Wikiwide | adaptation[01], right? ssu ar adaptation 0 and ssu ar adaptation1 | 13:51 |
| locusf | I guess so yes | 13:52 |
| locusf | ssu ar uses urls without that last repo file | 13:52 |
| Wikiwide | And then zypper ref says that repodata/repomd.xml not found for adaptation* repos. | 13:55 |
| locusf | hmm | 13:55 |
| Wikiwide | Device model is UNKNOWN. Why? | 13:57 |
| Wikiwide | ssu mo | 13:57 |
| locusf | no idea | 13:57 |
| locusf | also I seem to have lost my image from febraury | 13:58 |
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| Wikiwide | Alright, ssu ar n9xx-common http://repo.merproject.org/obs/nemo:/devel:/hw:/ti:/omap3:/n9xx-common/latest_armv7hl/nemo:devel:hw:ti:omap3:n9xx-common.repo worked. | 14:07 |
| Wikiwide | But typing the long url manually... I have to say, the virtual keyboard in terminal is miraculously comfortable. Even in portrait. | 14:08 |
| locusf | that fetches the repo with zypper now? | 14:08 |
| locusf | heheh :) | 14:08 |
| Wikiwide | No, does not. :( | 14:08 |
| locusf | just remove the .repo file from the end, entirely, so that latest_armv7hl/ is the last component of the url | 14:09 |
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| Wikiwide | Hooray! Now, same for n950-n9... | 14:12 |
| Wikiwide | zypper ref done! Now, zypper dup [shudders] | 14:14 |
| Wikiwide | Nothing to do? | 14:14 |
| locusf | interesting, did you already do it? | 14:15 |
| Wikiwide | What kind of metapackage should I install to make sure it does know what it is speaking about? Yes, I did zypper dup two times already. | 14:15 |
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| Wikiwide | The second time, it removed ti- packages and installed mesa-. You said it's because of lack of adaptation* repos. Now that adaptation* repos are back, I would have expected it to put ti- back, and remove mesa-. | 14:16 |
| locusf | if it didn't you gotta reinstall them | 14:17 |
| locusf | just zypper in -f ti-omap3-sgx-wayland-wsegl | 14:18 |
| Wikiwide | Where can I find mce >=1.31.0? zypper ve complains about lipstick | 14:19 |
| locusf | you can't find it | 14:21 |
| locusf | it doesn't exist for nemo | 14:21 |
| locusf | as the devel:mw repo is broken | 14:21 |
| Wikiwide | So will lipstick-qt5 work as is, or does it have to be uninstalled? | 14:22 |
| locusf | keep as is | 14:22 |
| Wikiwide | Alright. List of repos: mer-core, mer-qt, n950-n9, n9xx-common, nemo-apps, nemo-mw, nemo-ux | 14:24 |
| Wikiwide | Will qmlcamera work, or is it not wayland enough? | 14:26 |
| Wikiwide | Yes, ti installed and mesa removed. | 14:26 |
| locusf | I don't know, its probably not ported to qt5 | 14:27 |
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| Wikiwide | The device shut itself down. Possibly low battery. Hopefully, it will still work afterwards. | 14:34 |
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| Wikiwide | locusf: Nokia -> Green words -> Blue Nemo-Mer -> app-launcher and not interaction. No app can be opened, no gesture-scroll-pull is noticed. Like a picture: not changing at all. | 15:15 |
| Wikiwide | App launcher can rotate between portrait and landscape. | 15:16 |
| locusf | Wikiwide: interesting | 15:16 |
| Wikiwide | And now it is stuck in portrait... | 15:16 |
| locusf | oh yeah you are running colorful-home | 15:19 |
| Wikiwide | Tried to 'wake it up' by phone-calling it. Fail. | 15:20 |
| Wikiwide | And what about colorful-home? | 15:20 |
| Wikiwide | In the worst case, I could try to ssh into it. Requires waking up a Linux computer. | 15:21 |
| locusf | its the old homescreen | 15:21 |
| locusf | the freezing is due to an old package yet tobe fixed, I don't remember which one it is | 15:22 |
| Wikiwide | Oh, and once it goes into black screen, it does not exit the black screen of silence. Unless a reboot is done. | 15:25 |
| Wikiwide | So, if it is old homescreen, then how can it be replaced with new homescreen? | 15:26 |
| locusf | its just a simple installation of glacier-home from the ux repository | 15:26 |
| locusf | btw here is the latest image for n9/50 http://images.formeego.org/n950/nemo/nemo-n950-rnd-20140224.tar.bz2 | 15:27 |
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| Wikiwide | Thank you! zypper in glacier-home . Only, now I will have to ssh into colorful obelisk. | 15:34 |
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| Wikiwide | Unless there is a way to boot into bash instead of GUI? | 15:37 |
| locusf | nope | 15:39 |
| locusf | its really zypper in lipstick-glacier-home-qt5 | 15:39 |
| locusf | :) | 15:39 |
| locusf | its currently horizontal only | 15:39 |
| locusf | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Old_Images | 15:40 |
| locusf | check that page for the unfreeze package | 15:40 |
| Wikiwide | I will try zypper in lipstick-glacier-home-qt5 first. Then, if the problem persists, the unfreeze package... | 15:42 |
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| Wikiwide | Frustrating. Booted up the phone, USB connected it to the Linux computer, restart Linux-network-manager to enable USB networking... cannot ssh into it. | 16:10 |
| Wikiwide | By the way, on ths boot the screen was not frozen. But it froze on my way to Settings, when I hoped to enable WiFi network to get Internet connection for zypper. | 16:11 |
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| spiiroin | Wikiwide: there version deps are due to dbus api break in mce<-->lipstick; both mce and lipstick need to be updated past it | 16:30 |
| spiiroin | i.e. not just one of them | 16:30 |
| Wikiwide | lipstick seems to be updated, but how do I update mce to be >=1.31.0? | 16:33 |
| Wikiwide | And this quickly-freezing GUI does not allow me to switch on WiFi, and thus stops zypper from installing any additional packages... | 16:35 |
| Wikiwide | And ssh is difficult to use. Maybe, connection manager of Nemo somehow shuts down the USB connection. | 16:36 |
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| spiiroin | Wikiwide: the mce obs builds do not work due to some repo dependency issues; manually building in sdk should still work | 16:45 |
| Wikiwide | Do you know of any manually built mce packages somewhere? I do not have any sdk. | 16:51 |
| Wikiwide | Going to sleep. Maybe, in the morning local Linux user will be able to ssh into the phone, get the phone to use Internet from Linux computer, and install lipstick-glacier-home-qt5 package. Maybe, unfreeze package, too. | 16:53 |
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