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| locusf | https://twitter.com/locusf/status/492170805959462912 <- proof of concept tablet UX by glacier | 05:17 |
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| locusf | it works quite nicely as its horizontal ux, unlike jollas, scales differently too | 05:18 |
| locusf | first tablet to ever see glacier ux probably | 05:20 |
| locusf | unless the jolla boys have tested it on nexus 7 :) | 05:20 |
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| VDVsx | locusf, video better than pics :D | 06:16 |
| locusf | VDVsx: sure, will do one with all devices :) | 06:16 |
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| locusf | uploading :) | 06:29 |
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| locusf | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FV96J5mg_M | 06:48 |
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| locusf | VDVsx: ^ | 06:59 |
| VDVsx | cool stuff :) | 07:00 |
| locusf | galaxy note video uploading | 07:01 |
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| alin | locusf: excuse my ignorance what is glacier? | 12:45 |
| artemma | Jolla is based on nemomobile. Glacier is nemomobile's UI layer | 12:46 |
| locusf | alin: glacier is an open source ux for mobile devices :) | 12:46 |
| artemma | that Jolla replaces with the own one | 12:46 |
| locusf | which I usually replace in hadk and in general for Jolla :) | 12:46 |
| artemma | Is glacier that ready indeed? | 12:46 |
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| artemma | I didn't try glacier myself, yet had an impression it's work in progress at best | 12:47 |
| locusf | artemma: well qwazix is trying it for a day, lets see what he has to say about it :) but yes generally work in progress heavily still | 12:48 |
| locusf | some apps don't open etc | 12:48 |
| alin | locusf: ok... so the equivalent of sailfish? | 12:48 |
| artemma | ah yeah, phone UI is more than just UI, you also need actual apps to use it :) | 12:48 |
| tbr | btw: I haven't mentioned it here, I have some preliminary work on push notifications based on MQTT that works on Mer | 12:49 |
| tbr | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Middleware/PushNotifications | 12:49 |
| artemma | alin: yeah, NemoMobile is kind'a open source sailfish | 12:51 |
| locusf | alin: just a homescreen at this point, nemomobile is the full stack, glacier is components + homescreen | 12:51 |
| artemma | Sailfish is Mer + large part of NemoMobile (but not all of it) + Sailfish components + Jolla apps | 12:51 |
| locusf | yes | 12:52 |
| locusf | my aim is to support all Jolla aps too with covers etc but they are not open sourced atm | 12:52 |
| locusf | but everything else about Jolla apps work | 12:52 |
| locusf | provided as long as silica is installed | 12:53 |
| artemma | Jolla apps to be runnable on NemoMobile you mean? :/ | 12:53 |
| alin | this is what i see a mixture of closed apps and open apps... | 12:53 |
| * artemma must be missing the discussion context | 12:53 | |
| alin | I am wiser now... I shall get a beer to celebrate | 12:53 |
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| locusf | artemma: yeah, basically we have those plans to have our component structure similar to silicas so people can just import Sailfish.Silica 1.0 -> import QtQuick.Controls.Nemo 1.0 | 12:54 |
| artemma | well, it's a simple mix: all apps are closed except for Browser :) | 12:54 |
| artemma | or maybe there is one more open app? | 12:54 |
| locusf | documents browser is too | 12:54 |
| artemma | locusf: that won't help, people would need to rebuild apps | 12:55 |
| artemma | no conditional import in QML | 12:55 |
| artemma | that is unless you import everything via Loader | 12:55 |
| locusf | artemma: yep | 12:55 |
| artemma | though.. though.. if you accept the fact that Sailfish is the boss, nemo could have an automatic alias from import Silica to import Nemo | 12:56 |
| artemma | Or there was a project by M4...forgot-end-of-his-nick where he has something like import myApp.Button autoresolved in a platform-specific way | 12:58 |
| artemma | Jolla-Nemo are good friends, aren't they? So there might be an agreement to use something similar as a recommended practice. Something like: import platform.Button | 12:59 |
| artemma | resolved to Silica.Button or Nemo.Button depending on what's available | 12:59 |
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| bencoh | ""good friends"" :] | 13:00 |
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| SK_work | bencoh: rather good friends :) | 13:01 |
| SK_work | artemma: I'm thinking of a parser | 13:01 |
| SK_work | or sed | 13:01 |
| SK_work | but the problem is that pulley menus (and menus in general) are not implemented the same in saiflishos nemo harmattan ubuntu Qt components for android etc | 13:02 |
| artemma | SK_work: just be aware there is already an open project for it and it works for at least one app (something Map-related) | 13:02 |
| artemma | it may or may not be good enough for you certainly | 13:02 |
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| locusf | artemma: which project? | 13:03 |
| artemma | I don't remember :/ | 13:04 |
| artemma | so,e known mapping app for N900 | 13:04 |
| locusf | oh | 13:04 |
| artemma | googling.. | 13:05 |
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| ryukafalz | locusf: That plan to match Nemo and Silica components sounds amazing | 13:11 |
| artemma | locusf: here it is - https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/ | 13:11 |
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| ryukafalz | Ah, that one. Also works on Openmoko, N9... everything... :P | 13:12 |
| artemma | Here's where the magic happens - | 13:12 |
| artemma | basically you import UC 1.0 everywhere | 13:12 |
| artemma | and UC 1.0 has Button, etc that uses platform-specific implementation | 13:13 |
| locusf | oh nice its python | 13:13 |
| ryukafalz | locusf: I can't guarantee that I'll have too much time, but is there anything in particular I could work on to help glacier-home scale better for higher-DPI displays like my Nexus 4? | 13:25 |
| locusf | ryukafalz: all that work is done in compositor.qml afaik, but I'm not sure how its done | 13:26 |
| locusf | ryukafalz: you can study lipstick-jolla-home sources in order to do that | 13:26 |
| locusf | ryukafalz: /usr/share/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5/qml/ | 13:26 |
| ryukafalz | Aha, it's too bad those aren't openly licensed... | 13:27 |
| locusf | yeah but general ideas are not patentable :) | 13:27 |
| ryukafalz | Sure, but if their code was clean enough it could be something you could use directly | 13:27 |
| locusf | indeed | 13:27 |
| artemma | Lipstick is lgpl like most (all?) of nemomobile | 13:29 |
| locusf | yes | 13:29 |
| artemma | not open enough? | 13:29 |
| locusf | it is but this is about jollas homescreen | 13:29 |
| artemma | ah, jolla's lipstick is very close to nemomobile one me thinks | 13:30 |
| artemma | just few differences that are to be pushed back to nemo eventually I think | 13:30 |
| artemma | and then jolla's lipstick got to be lgpl too | 13:30 |
| locusf | it is the same open source lipstick as library which lipstick is, but this is about the implementation of the homescreens it provides which is closed in Jollas case | 13:31 |
| locusf | "closed" | 13:31 |
| artemma | okay, I thought that https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick + jolla's modifications is actually everything that homescreen is in jolla | 13:32 |
| locusf | it is | 13:32 |
| locusf | and I'm not even close of being clear enough :) | 13:32 |
| artemma | ah, there is some qml stuff a'la https://github.com/nemomobile-graveyard/lipstick-example-home/ in jolla.. | 13:32 |
| artemma | that might be not lgpl I guess | 13:33 |
| special | lipstick is a library | 13:33 |
| special | it's LGPL | 13:33 |
| locusf | artemma: yes | 13:33 |
| special | lipstick-jolla-home is an application that uses that library. It is proprietary. | 13:33 |
| locusf | ah its special | 13:33 |
| artemma | thx, got it | 13:33 |
| special | sailfish does not ship a modified lipstick, it's exactly the one you see in the nemomobile repo | 13:33 |
| special | we just put more on top | 13:33 |
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| locusf | yeah with eg. com.jolla.lipstick | 13:35 |
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| special | as a rule, every open source packaged used by sailfish is being built *directly* from the sources and tags in a public repository (github/mer/etc) | 13:36 |
| special | -d | 13:36 |
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| locusf | ryukafalz: as a comment on launcher icons not scaling is that the gridview that glacier uses is not static as jolla-homes is | 13:44 |
| locusf | ryukafalz: there are always 4 columns for instance | 13:45 |
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| MrMadMan | Hello there I would like to cross compile qt-components for my raspberry pi. But I have run into a issue. How can I tell it where qmake is, in the configure script | 19:14 |
| MrMadMan | I guess that I could re-write the .pro file but that seems like over kill. | 19:15 |
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| qwazix_ | locusf, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Using_Glacier_Home_on_Jolla_--_Notes | 20:33 |
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| qwazix__ | ryukafalz, please read this http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=456 to get familiar with our approach to multiple screen sizes/densities | 20:52 |
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| qwazix__ | If you're wondering what is Glacier, how it is related with Nemo and Sailfish, and what's the idea about the homescreen here's an article http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=771 | 21:43 |
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| bencoh | breeze mockup look quick nice as well :) | 22:49 |
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